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if it's fully invested into it's defenses, is it capable of ohkoing those pokemon back? it's really slow, so even if it lives those powerful hits wouldnt it still lose in those matchups?
No, but like the clefable who does a similar set, the idea is to turn around and use stuff like toxic, Psywave, and infestation to whittle away the opponent. With Psywave itself being great because pseudo fixed damage can deplete health relatively fast. 125 SpA is still okay without investment, I mean stuff like Clefable and Whimsicott make do with firing moonblasts from considerably less SpA stats anyway when they try stalling.
+ some of those attacks have recoil or like blast burn and hyper beam that gives Reuni time to recover if the player anticipates it.
 
Nominating Scrafty from Unrated to C+
Intimidate plus Bulk Up plus 115 defenses makes it really bulky. Its typing also allows it to win against rather common Pokemon such as Aegislash, Mew, Victini, and Lopunny.
Give Me a Belt (Scrafty) @ Darkinium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 236 HP / 188 Atk / 84 Def
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- High Jump Kick
- Bulk Up
- Fake Out

I suppose a little bit more spd could be added to aid against Porygon Z and Magnezone
Here are some examples of its bulk allowing it to win matchups:
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Cannon vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Scrafty: 277-327 (83.9 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

-1 252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 37-45 (11.2 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
-1 252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 240-284 (72.7 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 220-261 (66.6 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Scrafty: 279-328 (84.5 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Some physical attackers like Donphan, Mega Gyarados, and Mega Charizard X (if they brought will o wisp it becomes more complicated) just get Bulk Upped Stalled on then nuked
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Outrage vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 141-166 (42.7 - 50.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

-1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 91-108 (27.5 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

-1 252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 236 HP / 84 Def Scrafty: 168-198 (50.9 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Issues with Scrafty:
The special bulk isn't that stellar and it can be damage rolled (about a 50%) by Timid Scarf Porygon Z and Modest Z Zap Cannon Magnezone. Additionally it just dies to Mega Charizard's Y Blast Burn. Scrafty also really only has one good set (that I know of). Obviously it gets hopelessly destroyed by fairy types but so does Mega Gyarados so bring a steel type or something.

EDIT:It does have some competition with Incineroar for an intimidate bulk up user, but Scrafty is a fighting type and Incineroar is a fire type so they do have very noticeable differences
 
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Aggron-mega b -> b+ aggron is the best metal burst user. It beats all mons above it except for sub users and stall mons like slowbro. With taunt and the possibility of running different sets like rockium z or bulky curse rest, ~~fast twave iron head~~, this thing can take on a huge portion of the vr.

Sableye b-> b+. people under estimate this dude so much. If crits didnt exist id nom this for a+ but as it is...amazing bulk, good moveset and potential to mix things up with metal burst as well to pop wallbreakers that break through the stall set.

Clef b- -> b/b+ This mon is capable of taking out any mon that doesnt hit it super effectively. Priority z magic coat with unaware is a godsend. Basically a fairy msab.

Golem b- -> b. I love donphan but honestly how does a donphan with better stab do worse on vr? Bulldoze smackdown and a better priority move in sucker punch that helps it vs meloeeta and ghost pz for example.

Salamence b- ->...ur...untested...what does this mon do that dnite doesnt?!?
 

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from c+ to atleast b
This thing is sooo unreliable. It's basically like saying "I'm okay with only winning half of my battles." That's not a "winning" percentage.
M A M O S W I N E
UR ----> Untested or C-
Agree; untested
Nomming Camerupt from C -> B-
I'd go C+. It relies heavily on sleep which makes it fairly unreliable.
Gren to a+ from a
Because beating dnite, some zards, zygod, malt, gear, and everything else it does is really good rn
All of these things but Zygod can pop a little SpD investment and destroy Greninja. HP Fire can beat Gear, but 4MSS is a big deal for Ninja.
Bellossom

D -> Unrated

The sad truth about this mon is that the small niche it had has been rendered irrelevant by the current Meta

In terms of sleepers, Jumpluff, M-Vena, and Smeargle are all better due to either a higher speed, better bulk, or having a 100% sleep move.

As a Quiver Dance user, it's obviously beaten out by Vivillon due to better SpA, Speed, STAB Moves, and a more accurate sleep move thanks to compound eyes. Volcarona is also far better off due to a far better offensive typing, move pool and better stats with the exception of Def.

Bellosom's Niche is that she boasts the most respectable bulk out of all the quiver dancers as thanks to having the highest amount of bulk as well as strength sap for physical threats plus recovery. Bellossom also has sleep powder unlike Volcarona, but this is where that meta comes in.

Having only a Grass STAB isn't at all valuable in a meta where many of the best Pokemon resist it. That coupled with her best secondary attacks being Fairy and Poison, and you get a Pokemon who's best option against steel types is uncomfortably stalling with leech seed, which other mons do better and sacrifices crucial niche defining moves for Bellossom to do optimally. As a Quiver Dancer, her speed of 50 means she isn't going past 327 after a quiver dance, though most of the time it'll be lower because you'd want to put that nature to bulk or even attack more than speed for Bellsossom, meaning she can still be outside by many of the faster threats and if they're physical and she hasn't strength sapped, still be embarrassingly OHKO'd. That is if you can even get off a sleep powder, accuracy not withstanding, because that speed means even bulky mons can go first to end the match in one turn or set up before Bellossom can get a sleep, making Bellossom have to do even more set up in order to hit them back or praying that their slumber lasts long enough. That speed also severely limits the usefulness of strength sap due to the opponent most likely having either set up or hit you once you do, in which case if you survived that turn as Bellossom you'd have most likely survived it with a better grass type. The final nail in bellossom's coffin is easily the fact that due to being pure grass type, a lot of the meta can hit her with super-effective moves, forcing her into defensive sets even more than her speed and making quiver dance less so of a benefit and an absolute requirement in order to do any true damage, as well as making the item choice extremely tricky between something to sustain Bellossom longer, a z-crystal, or a wide lens for her sleep move.

In conclusion, the meta is far to unkind to Bellossom for her to even be D due to few good match ups, niches being taken by other Pokemon, and stats that work against what few unique tools and combos that it has.
No. Bellossom can viably use Sleep Powder, but it's not really a sleep user functionally speaking, and although it uses Quiver Dance, it's functionally closer to the average Calm Mind user with the Speed boost being unimportant. Bellossom never runs non-Grass coverage nor Leech Seed, and in spite of this, still does beat many Steel-types. Magearna loses to Laser Focus and Metagross, Aegislash, and Magnezone don't fare well against Sleep Powder. Furthermore, Bellossom never invests SpA or Speed, allowing it to be as bulky as possible. Another important aspect of what Bellossom does is Z-Strength Sap which boosts Defense. tldr; you seem to be grossly misinformed about what Bellossom does and none of this stands as good reason to unrank it
Nomming Lilligant from Unranked to D/C-
Everything that you mentioned also loses to Vivillon, who has the ability to beat Grass types. The sole exception is Fini. Unranked
Nominating Scrafty from Unrated to C+
Let's start at untested
Sableye b-> b+. people under estimate this dude so much. If crits didnt exist id nom this for a+ but as it is...amazing bulk, good moveset and potential to mix things up with metal burst as well to pop wallbreakers that break through the stall set.

Clef b- -> b/b+ This mon is capable of taking out any mon that doesnt hit it super effectively. Priority z magic coat with unaware is a godsend. Basically a fairy msab.
100% agree
Golem b- -> b. I love donphan but honestly how does a donphan with better stab do worse on vr? Bulldoze smackdown and a better priority move in sucker punch that helps it vs meloeeta and ghost pz for example.
Donphan can use Bulldoze too, Smack Down is pretty niche, and the P-Z matchup is decided primarily by its bulk investment and whether or not it has Recover, not your priority move. The reason that I consider Donphan so much better than Golem is because of its Choice Band set. That said, I don't think Donphan is a B+ Pokemon anymore so I'm nomming it to B.
Salamence b- ->...ur...untested...what does this mon do that dnite doesnt?!?
The biggest thing is that it counters Gyarados. It does face a lot of competition from Dragonite, though, so I'm okay with it dropping to C+

Relating to megas being ranked alongside their base forms/other mega evolution:
The primary reason we had them ranked together is because set ambiguity at team preview is an important part of mons like Zards viability. However, it can also be misleading. Mega Garchomp, for example, is not as good as base Garchomp, yet they're both ranked at B. For these reasons, I propose this: Separate Mega Evolutions from their base forms/other Mega Evolution on the VR, but specifically factor in set ambiguity at team preview to their rankings.

If the above goes through, I'd like to see Charizard Y to A+, Mega Garchomp to C-, Blaziken to B-, and Alakazam to C (Sceptile and Mega Sceptile are both C ranks imo so separate them but keep them ranked in the same spot).

Similarly, I'd like to nominate Gyarados, Aggron, and Heracross for Untested. Gyarados and Aggron don't have a lot of usage but with strong Z-STABs that their Megas lack, I think they're viable. Heracross has a neat Endure+Salac/Custap set with Swarm.

Scolipede UR->C+
Scolipede @ Buginium Z
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Poison Jab / Rock Slide

S Rank
L
W if Slide
L
Usually W
A+ Rank
L
D
W
A Rank
L
W
D
W
D
A- Rank
W
W
L
W
B+ Rank
L
W if Jab
L
L
L
L
L
D
W
W
L
B Rank
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
W
L
D
L
D
W if Slide
B- Rank
W
W
L
L
W
W if Jab
D
L
W
L
D
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W if Jab
W: 29
L: 25
D: 8

Scolipede can also run Adamant Liechi to beat PrimaFini or Speed Boost Poisonium to beat Mega Gyarados, Scarfers, and PrimaFini. Used this thing a lot while getting reqs and I think it's really good.
 
Big List of Noms, some controversial. Thanks to Cabbbages, Dragonmirror, Squirtell, and a few others for helping to edit this a bit. If you want a full VR run through for MUs for any mon, ask.

TLDR:
Charizard Y S -> A+
Mew A- -> A
Magnezone A- -> A
(Magneton C -> B)
Aegislash B+ -> A-
Kommo-o B+ -> A
Tapu Fini B+ -> A-
Primarina B+ -> A-
Mega-Sableye B -> B+
Celesteela B -> B+
Clefable B- -> B+
Incineroar B- -> B
Porygon2 C+ -> B-
Carracosta C+ -> B-
Umbreon C -> C+
Raikou C -> C+
Type:Null C- -> C+
Smeargle D -> C
Abomasnow-Mega D -> UR


There's two parts to this nom. First is the issue of being able to split the two zards up, the second is whether or not they should be split up. The first key point is that other metagames, even other OMs like AAA have the zards separate. One key reason for this is that the two forms simply have different viability. While one might argue that "we're not other metagames", this is a weak argument and not one for keeping the status quo. Second is that the argument of unpredictability has been rendered moot by members of the VR, and should also be considered as a boost to the pokemon's viability and not for the VR. "Main problem in Kyurem-Black that it has many viable sets, while unpredictability isn't a problem and shouldn't be weighted too much while deciding, but these multiple sets of Kyurem-Black comes with little to no opportunity loss." Secondly, the VR is supposed to determine a pokemon's viability, as in how viable it is to use it. We clearly see that Charizard Mega X is a far more viable choice for one's team than Charizard Mega Y. This transitions into the second part: the reasoning behind Charizard Y's demotion. Charizard Mega Y should be moved down to A+. The sets VR already reflects this, as no Char Y set is above A+ in tier. Usage of the mon is dwindling and with the rise in popularity of pokemon like Kommo-o, we shouldn't expect this to come back anytime soon. In conclusion, seperate the Zards ont he main VR and more Zard Y down to A+ tier.


This mon is really good right now. With two great sets, this mon is a beast. One of the largest drivers of this is it's best set, Kee Berry. This fast setup stall taunt set is incredibly versatile and beats an enourmous amount of top tier mons. It's access to taunt and fast Spdef differentiate itself from Slowbro, an A tier mon. In addition to the strength of this set, it's Mewnium Z set is also extremely underrated as of now and definitely deserves an increase. This thing hits like a truck and has access to Fake Out and Taunt to handle threats along with a choice of Nasty Plot or Calm Mind to set up and beat stallier mons.


The amount of threats this thing can beat just off of it's one metal sound set is crazy. This beast beats most Mgyaras, some Dragonites and Char X's, Char Y, Magearna, Porygon Z, Tapu Lele, Greninja, Slowbro, and more. In addition to this, it can run sets like Magnet Rise, Specs, or even Steelium Z. As an addendum, Magneton is ranked C despite not being that much worse than Magnezone. It belongs solidly in B- to B tier.


Aegislash is pretty great right now. Like with Magnezone, Metal Sound gives this mon the potential to decimate a variety of mons. It can also run Magnet rise to beat the ground types that would traditionally threaten it. This pokemon is incredibly strong atm and is being very underrated.


This is probably one of the more controversial noms on this list, as a rise of two ranks this far into a meta is pretty radical. Let's look at the facts. As of January (Before KB suspect), it was 7th in usage at 1630. In addition to this, Kommo-o beats most top tier threats and it's access to 3 good abilities makes it unpredictable and reliable. You're able to bulk this thing incredibly, to the point where it can tank a Specs Gren Ice Beam and you can KO back with CC. A great offensive typing also enables it to reliably beat most of the metagame. This thing beats: Char Y, Non Outrage MGyara, PZ, Greninja, Metagross, Zygarde, Jumpluff, Non Fly Z Lando T, Zone. More importantly, it absolutely cleans house against most (non-fairy) pokemon below these high tiers, an ability that is very overlooked in 1v1. It's broad coverage and immense strength make it at least A- tier, A imo.


Fifth in usage at 1630. Two great sets. Incredible anti-meta coverage and an ability to beat a wide variety of mons. Beats sleep. What more can you ask for? With access to Rain Dance, Taunt, and CM among others, Tapu Fini can be very versatile. It's two sets, Tapunium and Z Rain Dance serve different purposes but are both very effective. Z Rain Dance beats both Zard 100% of the time while Tapunium can 2HKO 90% of the metagame. This pokemon is very underrated on the VR atm and deserves a rise.


This mon is very, very good. Icy Wind + Encore is incredible, while it's insane bulk allows it to neutral 2hko most mons. It has the option of running Primarinium, Waterium Hydro Cannon, and even Fairium Z. Overall a very strong mon that deserves better than B+ tier.


While definitely not as good as it was in gen 6, Mega Sableye is still a very potent threat, with the ability to run Foul Play, Metal Burst, Taunt, Snarl, CM, and more. Prankster WoW, CM, and Taunt are still great and this mon is a force to be reckoned with.


This mon is really, really good. Insanely good defensive typing and great bulk. Can run a bulky offensive set with Steelium Z or Specs, or can run a defensive Leech Seed set. The main set that pushes this mon over the edge is it's Steelium Z set, which with Z Metal Sound (notice a trend here?) and Flash Cannon can neutral 2hko most of the metagame with ease. Weakness to the Zards is really one of the only thigns holding this mon back.


This might be most controversial nom on this list. Many of you reading this may not fully understand the power of this set
Clefable @ Psychium Z
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Magic Coat
- Moonblast / Charge Beam / Seismic Toss
- Reflect
- Moonlight
. It uses the power of a +4 priority +2 Spdef in combination with Reflect, Unaware, and recovery to effectively stall most mons and kill them. The best comparison I can make is weirdly enough to Magearna. Clefable and Magearna beat largely the same mons, just that Clefable loses to the poison and steel types that Mag beats while beating the Ground and Fire types Mag loses to (mostly). Just from the VR, this this is 4/4 for S tier, can beat the entirety of A+ tier, and many others. Clefable is a beast, and a definite threat to look at more in the future. B- is a crime for a mon this good. It warrants B+ at a minimum imo.


This mon is incredibly versatile and underrated. Great bulk, with intimidate and Bulk Up to shore up physdef and great spdef. Access to WoW, Bulk Up, Taunt, and a good attacking typing gives this mon the ability to take down top tier threats like the Zards, Dragonite, Magearna, and Porygon Z. Just a great mon overall and really should be shigher than B-.


This pokemon is an insane hybrid tank, able to beat mons that attempt to stallbreak it with Foul Play, having great coverage with Ice Beam, Tbolt, and others, as well as being incredibly tanky with recovery. Analytic or download lets P2 pack a punch while being able to whipe out a large portion of the meta. It can even win through taunt with it's versatile attacking potential.


As many of you may have seen, this thing is a beast. Able to run a versatile mixed attacking set after boosting up with Shell Smash as well as having access to priority makes this a Sturdy mon to rival Crustle. This mon consistently beats many top tier mons and deserves better than C+


This thing is insanely underused and rated rn. The set is
Umbreon @ Fairium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Def / 160 SpD
Calm Nature
- Charm
- Moonlight
- Foul Play / Taunt
- Snarl
. It's a very potent stall mon with access to Taunt, Foul Play, and Snarl to complement it's very strong Z-Charm. A very strong mon, I'd advise you to try it out if you haven't.


With Raikou sitting at 115 Spatk and Speed, this mon poses a formidable threat. 90 HP and 100 Spdef and access to moves like Calm Mind and Laser Focus, this mon can really hurt a lot of the meta. With the ability to beat Magearna (with cm/lf), Gyarados, Char-Y, Mew, Fly-Z Dragonite, Pluff, Greninja, and even Tapu Lele, this mon is versatile and can be tailor made to cover your teams weaknesses. Unfortunately under-appreciated. Potential moves: HP Ice, HP Fire, Sub, zap cannon, laser focus, calm mind, etc.


Basically a more consistent P2. Insane bulk combined with Battle Armor, Rest, Iron Defense and Confide stalls out while Return or Crush Claw beats a huge variety of mons. These stall mons are very potent and underrated.


Go ahead, laugh at me. There's no coincidence that ryy topped ladder in part thanks to this beast. Sure, it only has one set (2 if you count lovely kiss), but it's a very consistent speed trap. I am, of course, talking about Sub Smeargle. This beats slower pokemon w/o Taunt almost 100% of the time and slower pokemon with Taunt 66% of the time. It can even straight up Imprison + Transform to win against weaker mons or mons that are designed to 2hko like Tapu Fini. As a comparison, Vivillon is C+ tier. While the sped difference seems vast, the amount of relevant mons with common speed tiers between Smeargle and Vivillon are few and far between.


Straight up not viable


In conclusion, a lot of mons rn are underrated and really deserve a boost on the vr. I'm also accompanying this post with a sets VR post.
 
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Nominating Zapdos from C+ to B/B+

This pokemon is criminally underrated. Most people expect the charge electrium set, but that's not its strongest set. Its strongest set imo is a pressure stall electrium hybrid.


Zapdos @ Electrium Z
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 132 Def / 120 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute / Laser Focus / Metal Sound
- Toxic
- Thunder
- Roost

Substitute most of the time, Laser Focus if you're being cteamed by amnesia mew, Metal Sound if you're being cteamed by Type Null.

This set is super strong. It has positive matchups on a lot of B/A/S tier threats and can win matchups that it shouldn't with hax. The chance of Thunder hitting and paralyzing is 21% so there's a good chance you can beat things you shouldn't if they give you enough chances to Thunder.

Here is a list of its positive matchups on pokes in B- tier and higher. Reminder that you can win other matchups if you can get enough Thunders off.
 

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There's two parts to this nom. First is the issue of being able to split the two zards up, the second is whether or not they should be split up. The first key point is that other metagames, even other OMs like AAA have the zards separate. One key reason for this is that the two forms simply have different viability. While one might argue that "we're not other metagames", this is a weak argument and not one for keeping the status quo. Second is that the argument of unpredictability has been rendered moot by members of the VR, and should also be considered as a boost to the pokemon's viability and not for the VR. "Main problem in Kyurem-Black that it has many viable sets, while unpredictability isn't a problem and shouldn't be weighted too much while deciding, but these multiple sets of Kyurem-Black comes with little to no opportunity loss." Secondly, the VR is supposed to determine a pokemon's viability, as in how viable it is to use it. We clearly see that Charizard Mega X is a far more viable choice for one's team than Charizard Mega Y. This transitions into the second part: the reasoning behind Charizard Y's demotion. Charizard Mega Y should be moved down to A+. The sets VR already reflects this, as no Char Y set is above A+ in tier. Usage of the mon is dwindling and with the rise in popularity of pokemon like Kommo-o, we shouldn't expect this to come back anytime soon. In conclusion, seperate the Zards ont he main VR and more Zard Y down to A+ tier.
  • "The first key point is that other metagames, even other OMs like AAA have the zards separate. One key reason for this is that the two forms simply have different viability. While one might argue that "we're not other metagames", this is a weak argument and not one for keeping the status quo"
    • There is no status quo. We've talked to Finchinator in the past for help regarding whether or not there are set guidelines for how VRs should be handled, and were told that pretty much anything works, so long as it is justified (justification here).
  • "Second is that the argument of unpredictability has been rendered moot by members of the VR, and should also be considered as a boost to the pokemon's viability and not for the VR. "Main problem in Kyurem-Black that it has many viable sets, while unpredictability isn't a problem and shouldn't be weighted too much while deciding, but these multiple sets of Kyurem-Black comes with little to no opportunity loss."
    • The VR Council is allowed to have separate opinions from one another. When voting on whether or not Megas should be split from their base forms, the vote was close, at 3-2, in favor of keeping Megas and base together.
  • "Secondly, the VR is supposed to determine a pokemon's viability, as in how viable it is to use it. We clearly see that Charizard Mega X is a far more viable choice for one's team than Charizard Mega Y. This transitions into the second part: the reasoning behind Charizard Y's demotion. Charizard Mega Y should be moved down to A+."
    • This transitions into my rebuttal, which you've already done for me! The purpose of the Sets VR is specifically to evaluate the viability of each set of a Pokemon, hence why the Charizard forms, among other similar Pokemon like Garchomp, Alakazam, Blaziken, etc, are ranked differently there, whereas the purpose of the Main VR is to evaluate the viability of the sum of all of the individual Pokemon's viable sets, which is why they are ranked together, since Mega Evolutions are ONLY a subset of all the possible sets that the base form could have.
    • If this were not the case, then using a team with Charizard-X and Charizard-Y would not bypass Species Clause, since they are "different" Pokemon.
 

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The deadline for next cycle's main VR nomination is March 6th
As of this post, no more nominations shall be counted for this cycle. Further nominations from this point onwards will go into the next cycle. The deadline for next cycle's nominations will be determined once the VR Council has finished voting on all the nominations.
Riolu Ur > D : TDA (nom done on discord)

Dhelmise D > C :
Gigalith D > C/C+ :
Alomomola Ut > C/C+ :::::: all by Osra
Crobat Ut > C :
Gliscor Ut > D/C- :

Klang Ur > S : ryyjyywyy

Ambipom Ur > C/C+ : UBERLandon21

Buzzwole C > C-/D : TDA

Togekiss B > A/A+ : Osra

Emboar Ur > C+ : Freddy Kyogre

Altaria-Mega B+ > B : TDA

Luxray Ur > Ut/higher : AllFourtyOne

Chesnaught Ur > Ut/higher : BigPimpin12

Magearna A+ > S : Osra

Sawk C+ > B- : AllFourtyOne

Rampardos D > Ur : ayedan

Gyarados-Mega S > A+ : Wrath of Alakazam

Gengar-Mega C+ > B/higher : DEG

Mamoswine Ur > Ut/higher : Shyom

Camerupt-Mega C > B- : Freddy Kyogre

Chansey B > B-/C+ : both by TDA
Blissey B- > C+/C

Xurkitree C- > C/C+ : AllFourtyOne

Greninja A > A+ : TGC United

Bellossom D > Ur : Countess Bleck

Steelix-Mega C- > C+/B- : Osra (nom done on PS)

Lilligant Ur > D/C- : Wrath of Alakazam

Haxorus B- > B/B+ : Waylaid

Reuniclus Ur > D/C- : FrostedClay

Scrafty Ur > C+ : Eriey

Aggron-Mega B > B+
Sableye-Mega B > B+
Clefable B- > B/B+ ::::: all by Chickenpie2
Golem B- > B
Salamence B- > Ur/Ut

Scolipede Ur > C+ : MaceMaster

Audino-Mega Ur > B- : Osra (nom done without a post)

Zapdos C+ > B/B+ : Boat (phiwings99)

Synonimous's Big Nom Bomb
 
Nomming Lilligant from Unranked to D/C-
Lilligant @ Grassium Z
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sleep Powder
- Quiver Dance
- Substitute
- Giga Drain / Petal Dance
Lilligant relies on the same thing most others do to beat some threat - sleep, set up, and KO. This set beats Mega Gyarados, non-max Speed Tapu Lele, Z-Porygon Z, Mega Slowbro, Zygarde-C, Landorus-T, Magnezone, Donphan, PrimaFini, and others that it outspeed and can put to sleep. Consider it a worse, slower offensive equivalent of Jumpluff and Venomoth....

e1, in response to Wayaid Haxorus post:


If u mean Scarf Haxorus(since you mentioned it beating Greninja, which it can't otherwise), Porygon-Z, Lele, and Gardevoir-Mega usually bulks for it, and nukes in return.
252+ Atk Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 184 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 234-276 (84.4 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Tapu Lele: 238-280 (69.1 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Haxorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 200 Def Porygon-Z: 328-388 (87.7 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Host of Sturdies?
252+ Atk Haxorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem: 252-298 (69.2 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I'm gonna have to disagree with you a bit there... You seem to believe that I am far less reliant on hax than I am. After all, I am talking about a pokemon literally called HAXorus. Instead of the accurate poison jab, I use Iron Tail. This will 1 shot both the lele and gardevoir you put up. Also, please don't pretend like a porygon could tank a Haxorus hit. I've never seen a 200 defense Porygon :facepalm:
 

Nalei

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Osra dunno if this is relevant but mace countered my noms to golem and salamence.
Also MaceMaster i'm surprised ur nomming scolipede and not araquanid lol.
It's not relevant and Araquanid is currently untested so no need to nom it :^)
e: I'm wrong Araquanid is currently D, not untested. Too late, though.
 
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Nomming Aggron to C / C+

Aggron has a great STAB move in Head Smash, great utility moves in Screech and Taunt, and a good ability in Sturdy, which helps it in breaking many Pokemon that some other Rock-type Pokemon like Mega TTar, Archeops, and Terrakion fail to do.
Gosh, I hit hard! (Aggron) @ Rockium Z
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 96 Atk / 160 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Tomb
- Head Smash
- Taunt / Fire Punch
- Screech
This set is designed to tank 2 Shadow Balls from 252+ Scarf Porygon-Z.
S Rank
Charizard-Mega Wins vs both Mega Charizards
Dragonite Wins vs most Dragonites
Gyarados-Mega L


A+ Rank

Magearna L
Porygon-Z Wins vs all sets
Tapu Lele Wins vs most sets

A Rank
Greninja Wins vs most sets
Meloetta Wins vs most sets
Metagross-Mega L
Slowbro-Mega L
Zygarde-Complete L


A- Rank

Gardevoir-Mega Wins vs most sets
Jumpluff Might win, might lose
Landorus-Therian L
Magnezone L
Mew Wins vs most sets


B+ Rank

Aegislash L
Altaria-Mega Wins vs most sets
Donphan L
Genesect Wins if you know what set it is
Kommo-o L
Lopunny-Mega L
Primarina L
Tapu Fini Wins vs some sets
Tyranitar-Mega
Venusaur-Mega Taunt might win vs some sets
Zeraora


B Rank
Aggron-Mega L
Celesteela Wins vs most sets
Chansey Wins
Crustle Wins
Ferrothorn Wins if Fire Punch, or if Ferro isn't Grassium Z, because Z-Leech Seed restores negative stats to 0
Garchomp L
Heatran L
Kartana L
Mawile-Mega Wins vs non-Iron Head Mawile-Mega
Naganadel Wins
Necrozma Taunt wins against all sets
Pinsir-Mega Wins if Pinsir is not MoldBreaker+Close Combat
Sableye-Mega L
Togekiss Wins
Victini Wins vs most sets
Volcarona Wins


B- Rank
Archeops Wins
Blastoise-Mega L
Blaziken Wins
Blissey Taunt wins
Clefable Wins
Deoxys-S Taunt wins
Diancie-Mega iffy
Durant L
Golem L
Haxorus L
Hoopa-Unbound Wins against most sets
Incineroar Wins
Krookodile L
Kyurem Wins
Latias-Mega Wins vs non-Reflect Type LatiM
Manaphy
Medicham-Mega L
Salamence Wins
Swampert-Mega L
Vivillon Taunt wins against most sets
Whimsicott Taunt wins against most sets


C+ Rank

Avalugg Wins
Blacephalon Wins
Carracosta L
Gallade-Mega L
Gengar-Mega Hypnosis accuracy got raised to 100 this gen, so MW
Heracross-Mega
Latios Wins
Nihilego Wins against most sets
Pheromosa Wins
Porygon2 Wins
Rotom-Heat Wins
Sawk
Scizor-Mega Wins vs most sets
Skarmory Wins against most sets
Tapu Bulu Rock Tomb into Z-Move Tapu Bulu wins, else Aggron wins
Terrakion L
Zapdos Wins against most sets


C Rank
Buzzwole L
Camerupt-Mega MW
Empoleon L
Entei Wins against most sets
Excadrill L
Infernape L
Keldeo L
Lycanroc-Dusk Wins against most sets
Magneton L
Marowak-Alola Wins
Pidgeot-Mega Taunt wins
Pyukumuku Wins
Raikou Wins vs most sets
Rhyperior L
Serperior L
Thundurus-Therian Wins
Umbreon Wins vs most sets
Volcanion Wins unless Steam Eruption burn


C- Rank

Alakazam
Chandelure Wins
Cloyster Wins
Darmanitan Wins
Hydreigon Wins
Illumise Wins
Landorus
Lucario-Mega L
Muk-Alola Taunt wins against most sets
Ninetales-Alola Wins
Quagsire MW
Salazzle Wins
Sceptile L
Slaking Wins
Staraptor Wins
Steelix-Mega L
Suicune L
Talonflame Wins
Type: Null Wins
Xurkitree Wins


D Rank

Abomasnow-Mega Wins
Araquanid Wins
Arcanine Wins
Aron Taunt wins
Azumarill Wins
Bellossom
Breloom L
Dhelmise Wins against most sets
Gigalith Wins against most sets
Hawlucha L
Rampardos L
Relicanth L
Smeargle L
Stakataka
Sylveon Wins
Togedemaru Wins against most sets

Many sets I have labeled "Wins against most sets" is because those Pokemon can run a specific-and-niche set to beat Aggron. The only setback (sort of) is its reliance on Screech, which has 85 percent accuracy..... But that makes it up with its solid 64 PP :D . So, I'd like to nominate Aggron to C or C+, if not higher..

Edit : Nvm, thanks for QC 1/3, Chickenpie2
 
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Chickenpie2

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Cp2’s editing ocd instincts kicked in
Love the mon and i think it deserves a rise but terrakion has no business being in that post when you have nothing to hit it with. Likewise, why are you calcing for pz shadowball when you already ohko with rockium z?
Lastly, as you’re advocating for regular aggron, id suggest generalising some of the things it does over mega aggron in the..uh...’overview’ lol
 
I'd also like to voice my support for a Haxorus rise.

Haxorus B- => B

Haxorus is quickly becoming one of my favorite mons to use, as it is able to beat many common threats Like Dnite, Gren, and the Zards. It also appreciates the rise in usage of mons like zone and Gardevoir as it's able to beat these threats with Earthquake and Iron tail respectively. However, it's best set, scarf, looses to other popular picks like Gyarados and Magerna, so I think B rank is fine.

Listed below are the mons that it can beat in the high ranks

Here's the key:

W = Poison Z only wins
W= Dragon-Z only wins
W= Water-Z only wins
(very niche, only beats Donphan in this list)
W= Ground-Z only wins
MW = Mostly Wins
Not Specified = Scarf wins
(IMO its best set)
50/50 = Beats some sets, looses to others

(keep in mind, that the sets listed above are the only sets that can beat specific 'mons.)

S Rank

(unless super bulky)



A+ Rank

(Unless super bulky)

50/50

W

A Rank

MW (looses to scarf)
W

A- Rank



MW



B+ Rank

W





W

W



 
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The Official Glyx

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Well, while we're still in the midst of waiting for VR updates (MaceMaster :blobglare: ) have a new nom for next cycle:


Regice @ Icium Z
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 16 SpA / 72 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Amnesia
- Rest
- Ice Beam
- Icy Wind

I was bored
  • 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 128 Def Regice: 307-363 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 16 SpA Regice Subzero Slammer (175 BP) vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 384-452 (100.2 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  • (You can move some SpD into SpA if you want this to be more reliable)
  • Outspeeds Donphan after Icy Wind
  • Also has other options like Counter/Seismic Toss/Z-Focus Blast/etc
S Rank
Charizard-Mega L
Dragonite W
Gyarados-Mega L


A+ Rank
Magearna W
Porygon-Z W
Tapu Lele W (psyshock isn't real, it can't hurt you ;w;)

A Rank
Greninja W
Meloetta L
Metagross-Mega L
Slowbro-Mega W (non-rest)
Zygarde-Complete W


A- Rank
Gardevoir-Mega L
Jumpluff W (I think)
Landorus-Therian W
Magnezone W (clear body ftw)
Mew W (I think)


B+ Rank
Aegislash W
Altaria-Mega W
Donphan W
Genesect W-ish (beats non-mixed/physical scarf, has to not get crit vs specs)
Kommo-o L
Lopunny-Mega L
Primarina W
Tapu Fini L (W vs non-taunt waterium)
Tyranitar-Mega L
Venusaur-Mega W
Zeraora L


B Rank
Aggron-Mega L
Celesteela W (vs specs and Steelium)
Chansey L (Toxic + Stoss)
Crustle L
Ferrothorn L
Garchomp W
Heatran L (Taunt)
Kartana L
Mawile-Mega L
Naganadel W
Necrozma U (W vs non-Psyshock Specs, L vs SP)
Pinsir-Mega W (L vs Flail)
Sableye-Mega W? (not a hundred percent sure on this one)
Togekiss W
Victini L
Volcarona L


B- Rank
Archeops L
Blastoise-Mega W
Blaziken L
Blissey L (same deal as chansey)
Clefable W
Deoxys-S W
Diancie-Mega L
Durant L
Golem L
Haxorus W (band is for bullies :()
Hoopa-Unbound U (Band is ouch, Special is idk)
Incineroar L
Krookodile W
Kyurem W (unless you use a move with more PP than Ice Beam/Earth Power)
Latias-Mega U (CM SP wins, loses otherwise)
Manaphy W (besides crits)
Medicham-Mega L
Salamence W
Swampert-Mega L
Vivillon (I'm actually not certain on this one)
Whimsicott U (needs spdef to live an Ice Beam after subbing on Z-Ice, as well as Taunt, but that's a gamble)

Pretty cool, beats more than you'd think. Warrants a B-/B, imho.

E: MaceMaster has now voted, and we are now in the process of tallying results.
 
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I'd also like to voice my support for a Haxorus rise.

Haxorus B- => B

Haxorus is quickly becoming one of my favorite mons to use, as it is able to beat many common threats Like Dnite, Gren, and the Zards. It also appreciates the rise in usage of mons like zone and Gardevoir as it's able to beat these threats with Earthquake and Iron tail respectively. However, it's best set, scarf, looses to other popular picks like Gyarados and Magerna, so I think B rank is fine.

Listed below are the mons that it can beat in the high ranks

Here's the key:

W = Poison Z only wins
W= Dragon-Z only wins
W= Water-Z only wins
(very niche, only beats Donphan in this list)
W= Ground-Z only wins
MW = Mostly Wins
Not Specified = Scarf wins
(IMO its best set)
50/50 = Beats some sets, looses to others

(keep in mind, that the sets listed above are the only sets that can beat specific 'mons.)

S Rank

(unless super bulky)



A+ Rank

(Unless super bulky)

50/50

W

A Rank

MW (looses to scarf)
W

A- Rank



MW



B+ Rank

W





W

W



I just have one issue with this; Zeraora with enough defense to live Gyarados/Charizard also has enough defense to live Haxorus' Earthquake. With Outrage and enough attack, it will ko after fake out.
 

The Official Glyx

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IT'S TIME

The voting has ended, results (as well as oranges) have been tallied, and now I present to you all: the VR shifts!
A+ Rank
Magearna A+ > S

A Rank

A- Rank
Magnezone A- > A
Mew A- > A

B+ Rank
Aegislash B+ > A-
Kommo-o B+ > A-

B Rank
Celesteela B > B+
Chansey B > C+
Garchomp B > B+
Heatran B > B+
Sableye-Mega B > B+
Togekiss B > A- (through Z-Thunder Wave being voted to A- in the Sets VR)

B- Rank
Blissey B- > C
Clefable B- > B+ (through Psychium being voted to B+ in the Sets VR)
Incineroar B- >B
Salamence B- > C+

C+ Rank
Carracosta C+ > B-
Porygon2 C+ > B
Sawk C+ > B-
Zapdos C+ > B-

C Rank
Camerupt-Mega C > B-
Magneton C > B
Raikou C > B- (through Electrium being voted to B- in the Sets VR)
Umbreon C > C+

C- Rank
Alakazam C- > C (through Psychium being voted to C in the Sets VR)
Slaking C- > C (through Choice Band being voted to C in the Sets VR)
Steelix-Mega C- > C+
Type:Null C- > C+
Xurkitree C- > C+

D Rank
Azumarill D > C- (through Z-Charm being voted to C- in the Sets VR)
Bellossom D > C-
Gigalith D > C+
Smeargle D > C (through ImprisonForm being voted to C in the Sets VR)
Togedemaru D > C- (through Liechi Berry being voted to C- in the Sets VR)

Untested Rank
Alomomola UT > C-
Crobat UT > C
Gliscor UT > C-

Unranked
Ambipom UR > C+
Audino-Mega UR > B-
Chesnaught UR > C-
Emboar UR > C+
Lilligant UR > C
Luxray UR > UT
Mamoswine UR > C-
Reuniclus UR > C-
Riolu UR > D
Scolipede UR > C+
Scrafty UR > C+

Click here to see the voting results for every nomination from last cycle.

Click here to see the votes of each individual VR Council member.

(Sets VR post coming shortly)

The deadline for this cycle's VR and Sets VR nominations is May 24th
 

dom

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alomomola c- -> untested/unranked

shits prolly ass.. wouldnt know because theres 0 replays of people using it, haha! tour or ladder. i assume now glyx in a sad attempt to prove me wrong is gonna use it in some PL game or force her teammate to use it, hope it wins!
 

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Going to make some early noms ~~before someone does them first uwu~~
Shedinja UR ---> D
So Shedinja is pretty bad. Statwise unviable. However, the potential to run this set specifically to play mindgames with your opponent is a niche only carried by Shedinja, and has been proven to be a credible strategy (obviously not top tier, but possible) for years. It's hard to create the same kind of fear from a mon other than shedinja, against the right kind of player

Edit: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-909380179 ryy vs xsc spring ssnl g5

Tapu Fini B+ ---> A-
This imo is the superior of the Water/Fairy special attackers (sorry, Primarina uwu). It has access to Taunt and Calm Mind, better speed, better bulk, alongside the capacity to play two playstyles of either setup offense or a wallbreaker, one that can't really be emulated by any other Pokemon, with its Tapunium + Taunt + Brine. Compared to Primarina, which worse Fini in everything else besides immediate one turn offense, and it seems clear that Fini is worthy of a rank up.

Sawk B- ---> C+
Sawk really lacks the capabilities to cut it with its current comrades of B-. With each of its 3 items, Scarf, Band, and Fightinium, each seems to only have 1/3 of the coverage that its fellow contemporaries can get in one of their sets.

Entei C ---> C+
Entei recently has proven to be a very good Pokemon as of late, with its SpDef Rockinium set having the potential to beat not only Fairies like Magearna and Mega Gardevoir but also fellow Fire-types like both Charizards and Heatran, iirc. Definitely think its better than the other Pokemon of C

Diggersby UT ---> C-
The unique STAB coverage alotted by Diggersby, alongside better Attack than Mega Lopunny with its Adamant Choice Scarf set, lets it knock out Pokemon like Charizard X and Lele that EV for Lopunny, which is always a great physical benchmark for EVing.
 
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The Official Glyx

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Diggersby UT ---> C-
The unique STAB coverage alotted by Diggersby, alongside better Attack than Mega Lopunny with its Adamant Choice Scarf set, lets it knock out Pokemon like Charizard X and Lele that EV for Lopunny, which is always a great physical benchmark for EVing.
where's that contextualization of mon worth we talked about :blobhyperthink:
 
Going to make some early noms ~~before someone does them first uwu~~
Shedinja UR ---> D
So Shedinja is pretty bad. Statwise unviable. However, the potential to run this set specifically to play mindgames with your opponent is a niche only carried by Shedinja, and has been proven to be a credible strategy (obviously not top tier, but possible) for years. It's hard to create the same kind of fear from a mon other than shedinja, against the right kind of player
This is basically what FEAR is (Magnemite, Aron, Togedemaru). It makes sense that Shedinja would share the same tier as the fear mons. FEAR is just to create fear in your opponent to make team preview easier, while attacking a few specific matchups (like with Aron or Togedemaru, Dragonite).
 

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Sawk B- ---> C+
You forget that Custap is a viable set, and also that - 252 Atk Sawk All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Magearna on a critical hit: 366-432 (100.5 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO - it beats Magearna. Custap beats Lele 100% of the time also, Poison Jab into Poison Jab (if attack) or PJab into Laser Focus into PJab (if they Z reflect). It has the ability to beat any PZ with any set besides Band and can potentially cheese Kommo-o with Throat Chop. Sawk’s Access to phenomenal tools such as Sturdy, Rock Tomb, Poison Jab, and Laser Focus make it a big threat that deserves B-.
 
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