Wow, thats a really good idea tbh. I have no idea why I didn't think of that! I'll use the Salamence you recommended and see how it goes, thanks a lot!
It mainly matters because Tyranitar is "soft-banned" from level 50 due to it being unobtainable at that level under normal circumstances (Pupitar evolves at level 55) and Pokemon above level 50 can't enter level 50 mode in this gen. The opponents don't seem to use Tyranitar against you in level 50 either for this reason. The same applies to Dragonite.
Oh yeah, I'm perfectly aware. I don't consider myself to be that good to wanna get on the leaderboards (yet), and I'm mainly just trying to get all the golden symbols on a casual play though to learn the ins and outs, plus I only have Emerald and no way to trade, so legitimately EV training is a pain for me in this gen, unlike gen 4 where I own all of the games and multiple DS systems lol.
You basically cannot lead with shedinja. There is an altaria set with pursuit and dugtrio can have arena trap.
You're totally right about leading Shedinja, Steelix is definitely better.
I haven't actually tried this but I was thinking of using protect then roar against forretress. I think the AI might prioritize super effective rock slide over spikes even with intimidate.
My current streak was ended by my phone being left outside in a backpack in winter :/
From the disassembly the ai's decisions appear to be guided by certain weighting scores so that they normally do "smart" things but there is some underlying randomness that we see hints of but we can't calculate raw percentages for yet as far as I can tell. There may actually be some things weighted high enough that they are guaranteed to be chosen. https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/master/data/battle_ai_scripts.s It's easy to see how it checks for statuses so it's less likely to paralyze something that is already paralyzed.
Recently I have been running this set as my lead but I am having some trouble against the AI
Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 220 HP / 156 SpA / 134 SpD
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Substitute
- Morning Sun
- Flamethrower
Still running flamethrower to remove forretress and skarmory. I haven't run into any issues with speed and I really appreciate the tankiness. Special defense seems more important as those are most of the attacks moltres takes. I still haven't found the perfect shedinja and steelix movesets to counter double team + leftover pokemon but that is not why I am posting. I am posting because I notice that some of the A.I.'s decisions make no sense. This team relies on predicting the opponents moves and often the opponent chooses the wrong move. It hasn't led to a game over yet but it certainly could and it may be a fundamental flaw of the team. I'm not sure if it's because I am running on emulator but if anyone has a better understanding of how the ai makes decisions that would be helpful.
Some examples:
Marrowak using brick break against steelix instead of earthquake at +2 attack
Aerodactyl using double edge against steelix 4 times before realizing it could use earthquake instead. It was taking recoil as well.
Opponents using non-effective attacks against shedinja on a leading protect turn only to switch to a super-effective attack the next turn.
I'm really sorry to say that I have strong doubts about this streak.
I think it's possible this is a real streak. Yes, it seems to have weaknesses but the weaknesses do rely on hax. Tbolt is a decent counter to waters if they don't get lucky with an ice beam crit. And the team probably isn't extremely weak to ohko users because all the pokemon are offensive.
You got it bro, that's absolutely the point. The team is strong and yet it’s far from perfect since there are some scenarios that will beat the team inevitably, even if you play as perfect as you can as human.I think it's possible this is a real streak. Yes, it seems to have weaknesses but the weaknesses do rely on hax. Tbolt is a decent counter to waters if they don't get lucky with an ice beam crit. And the team probably isn't extremely weak to ohko users because all the pokemon are offensive.
I haven't actually tried this team myself, but I will just to get a feel for its power.
One criticism I have before even starting is swampert. It seems like suicune or milotic would fit better in its place. They would resist water and ice, which seems like a problem for this team. Are there any reasons to choose swampert and leave yourself weak to water and ice?
Insult your intelligence? I had to laugh when i read this.
I know I’m a little late to the party, but I’m a big fan of the swap-strategy you have going here, but my question is how do you deal with setup sweepers? Even with resistances if something can set up for a few turns while you’re shuffling mons around, it’s going to steamroll your team? At least that’s how it appears to me, but you’re the one who’s been using itHey guys I too have realized the awesome power of Moltres. I am currently running a team with Adedede's Moltres and have reached 154 wins so far (still going), which surpasses my own personal best. I have also adopted the use of torment, an astonishingly powerful move, thanks to Adedede. This team uses a rather unique pp stalling strategy so I thought I would share it and possibly encourage more experimentation with pivoting strategies.
A. Beads (Steelix) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
- Protect
- Rest
- Torment
- Iron Tail
Crust (Shedinja) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Wonder Guard
Level: 45
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Protect
- Double Team
- Baton pass
- Toxic
Chicken (Moltres) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 220 HP / 52 Def / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Morning Sun
- Substitute
- Will-O-Wisp
This team is based around the idea of switching out every turn until the opponent is out of moves. For example against a starmie switching to shedinja every turn to dodge surf and then switching back to moltres every other turn to absorb confuse ray. This strategy is very effective against most pokemon and has the added benefit of being able to play around quick claw. At least one member resists or is immune to every non status attack move in the game which is what allows this strategy to work. At the end of most battles I have three pokemon at full health with plenty of pp. Steelix was chosen as he heavily resists rock, super effective against the other two, and learns torment. Shedinja is level 45 and has reduced speed to allow the slowest possible baton passes to allow safe switches to my other pokemon. This is mostly only useful to give moltres leftover recovery while I pp stall a pokemon which is walled by shedinja.
Not so threatening threats:
Espeon 4
after a torment shedinja can't be touched by this. Which allows shedinja to double team and baton pass +6 evasion or use toxic
Salamence
I believe the worst set I came across is aerial ace, earthquake, dragon dance, crunch. After a torment steelix was able to kill it. The AI tends to choose eq,dd,eq,dd,eq,dd in this situation until it is +6 hopefully this will allow me to kill it before it starts using aerial ace. Moltres would still be able to pp stall it at +6 because of torment. The other sets are much easier to stall with some combination of torment and switching.
Hail/Sandstorm users.
They are weak to or completely walled by a combination of steelix and moltres. This allows shedinja to wait out the storm.
True threatlist:
Spikes...
They instantly kill shedinja. Without shedinja my team is weak to water and quick claw. Also the spikes stop me from switching steelix in an out multiple times. This inevitably means I will rely on Moltres to pp stall the rest of the battle. This is, in my opinion, the only thing stopping this team from being perfect.
Luckily there are only two sets in the whole tower that carry spikes which makes them rather rare
Basically they can't hit me. Often they cannot hit shedinja at all. If they only have one move that can hit shedinja, I can use torment then switch to shedinja and start using protect every other turn and spam double team.
I do have a lot of questions about this streak, however, I don't feel its worth wasting my energy on this. The fact that you're claiming ~1600 wins with such a sub-optimal team is laughable specially considering how vulnerable this build-up is to the prominent threats that exists in Gen III.
In the end, there is a reason why you are getting called out by the more veteran players on this forum and the only logical explanation I can come up with this, is the fact that you save stated to get into those numbers. It's not a matter of how many wins you are able to get or the streak numbers, but this forum's purpose is to help those who are looking for good ideas to follow when building a team for Gen III. This team is extremely misleading and anyone who would use it will quickly find out that matching those numbers will be outright impossible due to how many vulnerabilities it has to the point where no matter how hard you crack your head, it will be almost impossible to figure out a solution.
Worth mentioning that Morning Sun Moltres is actually shiny locked in XD Gale of Darkness, and since the one you have on your video is shiny, it's illegal. Other than that, wonderful display, just by looking into it, Shedinja tall is even more effective than what I originally thought. If I were you, I would make that change since I'm pretty sure we want to mantain the same consistency as the other Battle forums have in regards to hacked Pokemon being used.
This is why I think cart runs should be the only ones allowed lol
Both things can be completely unrelated. Fake streaks can be done on retail cartridges if you have external devices such as Gameshark or an Action Replay. I did my own streaks on emulator as well and never save stated to cheat on streak numbers. Also all of my Gen III Pokemon were RNG abused on emulators. I also made a post related on the subject where people shouldn't be afraid to post emulator runs as long as they don't cheat. I admit that it is easier to fake streaks on an emulator, but we shouldn't discourage people from participating on this thread only because they need validation to "prove" themselves. Buying a cartridge currently involves so many risks with bootlegs being very common in the internet. In the end, as long as there is good faith on everyone who's participating on the thread, we should welcome everyone with open arms and ask the right questions if there is concern of a streak's legitimacy.
Gardevoir with destiny bond may be better. But its a tossup between your Latios. Maybe starmie. Either way it shouldn't take too long to grind out 70 wins even with bad nature and iv's
Fair enough. The shiny is kinda ugly anyway.
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