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To me, the pro-ban side has so far failed to really provide any reason why Kyurem is so much better and unhealthier than other wallbreakers in the tier. Kyurem is definitely one of the best wallbreakers but so are Melmetal, Dragapult or even Kartana. It doesn't seem much more centralizing or...

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Does anyone have a good hazard stack offense with Eleki and Gapdos? Thanks

Please stop with Swampert. This thing is one of the worst mons in the tier. If anything it should be dropped even further. The thing is, if your team really does desperately need both a rocker and Tran check it's probably garbage. Swampert reminds me a lot of Toad when Vish was around. Complete...

Really agree with most changes, but I don't understand why Gyarados to UR. Sure, it can only really be used on HO but there it always felt like it has better snowball potential and better typing than its main competition dragonite.

That's really not the reason why Swampert isn't good because his role never was that of a wallbreaker. Its main issue is that while in theory he is a pivot with solid typing, defenses and the ability to set up rocks everything kind of falls apart in practice. He isn't that bulky so he can't be...

You also have the legendary Block Toxapex that removes many stall staples as well as some balance ones.

This right here is typical Smogon. When people complain about a move (Teleport, pivoting moves), item (HDB) or some defensive pivots played mostly on balance (Slowtwins) we don't address anything because it is too complex. So what do we do? We ban the best offensive pokemon in the tier to make...

I think that the argument that Leftovers are somehow more broken than Boots is completely redundant. Sure, in gen 2 they porabaly were suffocating and made the entire metagame too bulky, but gradually many better items were released making leftovers less of a necessity each generation. On the...

Here in this thread we can clearly see the difference between people that actually play the tier and people who continue to theory mon and bring up its INSANE stats over and over again. There are some valid points as to why Zama may be too much for the tier, but for the most part everyone that...

Arctozolt is pretty much dracozolt under hail with potential aurora veil but a much worse and inconsistent team structure around it.

Is the Healing wish Latias HO still viable? If so can someone help me build a solid team with it (which HO it fits best into, which pokemon appreciate HW etc.)

I've tried Salamence and it's great until you realize that is suffers from a severe 4MSS and most importantly that every DD set is completely outclassed by both Dragonite and Gyarados while every pivot/defog set is outclassed by other Flying types with defog which there are tons of. Special sets...

Is Sub-Swarm Volcarona still usable and what are some solid partners for it for offence?

Hello, I would like to bring back the point of Zamazenta-C as I believe its potential introduction to the tier would be extremely welcome one. While many people got scared to death when they looked up its stats which are of course great they do not see many flaws and issues it has that would...

Yeah but he can still ask which mon you are usually supposed to lead with and in which scenarios not to etc. Every team still has its default "lead"

Why is Pyukumuku not ranked? I know stall is niche but to me it seems like not much has changed for it since the previous Gen where it was used on variety of stall teams.

Why is Darmanitan almost never used outside of Sun teams? It shares many similarities with his broken Galarian form. Its Flare Blitz hits harder than G-Darm's Icicle Crash and it has the same speed, eq, u-turn etc. It can also more viably run HDB i guess. Is the typing difference or power what...

It's obvious that you all arguing here are pretty new. Thunder is a very good and creative player but he also has very radical opinions especially about Kartana which he expressed multiple times about Gen 7.

Okay so I wanted to try to test out Grass Offence that was discussed quite a lot post Cinder/Magearna ban. I went with SD Kart and Rillaboom and paired them with Magnezone to remove Skarm/Corvi/Scizor etc. Now, i am looking for some solid glue mons that can also help with weaknesses of the core...