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On a side note. This tier’s council is doing a great job with the bans to have balance in this chaotic meta. Which mons do y’all think got better or worse with Sneasler’s departure?

RIP Infernape’s 1 month in the VR. Gone but not forgotten. Also what prompted Volcanion and Ursaluna to rise on the VR?

Alola Shittales Drops Skeledirge Rises Gliscor Deported Darkrai Discussion Aborted Lando-T, Chomp and Tran remain in OU Balance is Restored

In the 2nd month, Gliscor was still in the tier, which discouraged usage of Cinderace.

Ribombee will drop with Ghold in the tier. Webs has some atrocious matchups, moreso after the Gliscor ban. Cinder completely guts webs if Ribombee dies, so you are put in an awkward position where you can’t just lead with Ribombee and keep webs up. Boots spam is bad for webs for obvious reasons...

I feel like its mostly just the meta Ttar got itself in. It thrived in Gen 8 due to the slower nature of the tier encouraging wallbreakers like Ttar. Plus it had defensive utility in checking Specs Pult, Zapdos, and Blace. Gen 9 on the other hand is just a blitz of uncontrolled energy. Four top...

Even with Koko in the tier, I don’t think Moth will break the tier. It simply has plenty of checks and counters despite its destructive wallbreaking capabilities. It needs Tera Ground to break past half of these which costs a moveslot that may miss out on additional coverage or moves like...

Heatran doesn’t check Wogre and Zapdos. Also Hoodra hits surprisingly hard, Glowking gets 2HKOd by EQ, Tusk and other physical walls get trucked by Draco, meanwhile very few things can actually one-shot it due to its bulk and typing. Also with Mola and Clef in the tier to provide wish support...

I’m around the 1600s-1700s where people start using tryhard/conventional shit, and I am somehow seeing the wackiest shit on ladder rn. I’ve ran into Sap Sipper BD Tera Ground Azu Tera Ground Articuno Fly Dnite Life Orb Tera Flying Tera Blast Dnite Lefties Dragon Rush Dnite I’m gonna assume...

I just ran into a Tera Ground Sap Sipper Belly Drum Azumarill A Tera Ground Articuno and a Tera Flying Jolteon On ladder This meta has become so utterly chaotic, people have straight up gave up. Their insanity has been broken by the new gen. They are awaiting release from the madness.

What are your thoughts on the replays that Nines provided that started this whole Darkrai debate? Having some in-game evidence on a mon’s performance generally helps support unbanning something than calcs. Off the replays, it is a good sign when something is performing well but not completely...

Nines posted three OUPL replays where Darkrai was legal and while it was showing itself to be a good mon, it wasn’t dominating teams like many have assumed. So some players argued that Darkrai may be balanced for the OU tier due to the massive power creep since it was locked away into Ubers and...

You could’ve used a better example, like when ABR said Dynamax was a healthy, balanced aspect of SS when Gen 8 was still brand new. The two examples you’ve listed are more of preferences than bad opinions. Like of course the VGC player thinks VGC is better than singles. GSC is a metagame that...

Now that someone mentioned it, Sableye ironically has a small niche in the tier. Its a spinblocker with priority Encore that can spread Knock and burns all over the opponents team. It also checks Zama since it isn’t weak to anything but Fairy. It has absolutey atrocious matchups like Gambit...

Ok Mimi, you are a fantastic, respectable player and builder, but this take ain’t it chief. The bans/suspects are happening so quickly because there would normally be barely enough time for any tiering action. DLC2 is coming next month and will ultimately shift much of the meta, so why not get...

>Plays vs a hazard stacking team without Ghold >Sends out Tusk against a burnt Hamu “Removing these hazards should be easy :clueless:” >Tera Ghost Hamu >Tusk dies and hazards stay up *forfeits match* This would be prevented if we didn’t rely on Tusk to spin every game. Ban Ghold so we can...

Here is the thing tho. The Defoggers we have (Mandi and Corv), beat most of the common spike setters. The ones that do like Rockpon, Shocks, and Glimm are reserved for HO and sometimes don’t even run spikes. Tusk also becomes more consistent at spinblocking since it is not at an uphill battle...

Skeledirge is a strong defensive mon on bulkier builds Mandi fits on. Checking Zama, Moth, Valiant, etc due to its typing and Unaware. Clef being dismissed as “not really viable” is just plain wrong. It is an excellent utility pick and saw top 5 usage at SCL a few weeks ago. It would no doubt be...

Ok, so now your hazards are gone and your Valiant comes in. Cool, don’t give a shit. I have an Amoonguss/Clef/Skele/Pex in the back to keep you from making any progress. Basic teambuilding.