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  1. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    Because otherwise you end up with a highly inbred unhealthy tier that people yes-man on because anyone who dislike the tier just stopped playing and only left the people who do like it. Who just lead the tier further down the rabbit hole alienating more and more people. Which is by some...
  2. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    Sometimes it works specifically because it's stupid.
  3. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    consistency is not required to be banned. Swagplay was never really all that consistent. You could just get RNG obliterated out of the game. Same deal with evasion and OHKO moves (at least at the time they were originally banned).
  4. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    I put some calcs in earlier. Tldr deoxys-s ohkos anything it carries coverage for that isn't investing significantly in HP (and still manages to OHKO a lot of stuff that does) while still outspeeding the entire unboosted tier. Which is problematic given that it has stupid amounts of coverage...
  5. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    22 hours later..... My own personal victory lap nonwithstanding, now every one please spam Deoxys-S. Shit is busted beyond belief, get it out of here. Especially given that actually pretty damn good at both supporting (spikes is the current hotness, but it also gets taunt/knock off/screens) as...
  6. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    Just some numbers for you for what a life orb Deoxys-S with modest/252 spa/252 speed can do while outrunning the entire unboosted tier By the way, that's a sub + 3 attack set I'm theorymoning to beat kingambit/raging bolt. Not a 4 attack set or nasty plot one. You'd get better coverage and...
  7. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    That isn't even true. It didnt open the door to stupid stuff but absolutely rewrote precedent and lead to multiple changes to how ubers tiering functioned. Mray ban opened up a huge can of worms. It lead to the creation of AG and enabled ubers actually banning stuff which was a precedent then...
  8. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    Because it looks a little silly if the initial reaction is 'give it a second' and then the council comes back with a unanimous QB in under 24 hours. It ages great if counterplay evolves quick and it makes it to at least a suspect test. Ages real bad if the QB comes back incredibly quick...
  9. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [NEW TIERING RESULTS POST 11597]

    Taking bets on how well this is gonna age. Door swings both ways. It's entirely possible that everyone is overreacting. It is equally if not more possible that one hour is all it takes to realize that something needs to be shown the door.
  10. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Doesn't it get future sight + teleport + recovery move? Even if it's trash by Ubers standards, it still has ubers statlines and that combination seems hard to handle. Ubers handles it by having great ghost and dark types like Marshadow, Lunala, and Yveltal. We don't have that many good ones in...
  11. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Gaining steel with the extra special builk means - Iron Valiant and Enarmous no longer ohkos with any move (even cc on phys sets), down from moonblast ohkoing on specs/at +1. Gholdengo no longer ohkos with make it rain at +2 Specs Dragapult and Specs Walking Wake no longer 2hkos with any move...
  12. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    You're crazy. Zama-C's significantly higher SpD and Def give it a lot more set up opportunities (mainly the SpD makes setting up on special attackers a lot less risky), and the largely improved typing in combination with tera makes it incredibly hard to handle. If there was a lot more stuff...
  13. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    The only correct answers to the survey are 1 and 2. 2 for 'no', 1 for 'heeeeeellllll nah'. Format power is still too high. We need it to go down further than it is now, not up. Which we already know the DLC will do anyways. There is not a single justifiable reason to unban anything that was...
  14. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    It is 100% possible to have a terrible take. Any take that is misinformed, not based in reality, or based on extreme self serving desires that negatively affect everyone else are inherently terrible takes. It's understandable how people get there, but ultimately the take is still terrible...
  15. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    > Yes it's possible for good players to have bad opinions about the games they play. Wolfey thinks singles sucks and VGC is better, BKC thinks gen 2 is good, Finch has probably said something stupid on twitter once. The list goes on. Side Tangent - Leffen in SSBM is the undisputed master of...
  16. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Sableye has the bulk of wet tissue paper even invested. Everything in the format with offensive investment 2hkos it at minimum. Good luck getting it in to start spreading status. You might do it once, but even physical attackers can largely just attack on the switch, take burn, attack to kill...
  17. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    The options here are simple. Either Weavile is powerful enough that putting it on any given team is so common that it can single handedly check gliscor down from ubers, or it's not powerful enough and you're running it mainly to put gliscor in check. There's no real middle ground here. Either...
  18. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Yeah that's definitely not broken checks broken. If gliscor is only balanced because everyone is running weavile, then Gliscor doesn't need to drop, Weavile probably needs to go. If a single mon is capable of dropping a ubers mon back down to OU, then the mon is still Ubers you're just being...
  19. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Instructions unclear, unbanning Regielele to get another spinner in the format.
  20. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Banning a generational mechanic is a big deal though. It changes what a lot of people play this generation for. Crying about removing a single mon no matter how dominate is a little silly, even changing the whole meta because that happens no matter what, but not wanting to play a generation...
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