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  1. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    I know, but she should as a public service.
  2. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    I think her biggest weakness though is that progressives don’t see her as a fighter— most commentators I follow that massively favored her now have kind of shifted to Tulsi Gabbard as Bernie’s best VP choice because Liz “lacks political courage.” That said IF at the debates she comes out and...
  3. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Problem is that the Dems don’t think that... they totally want to rig elections, and both parties are absolutely resolute in preserving a system that protects the duopoly. If we don’t also cut away at the economic power of the establishment as well, no one will be there to defend or fight for...
  4. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    We are very likely to see a market crash at a scale equal to or greater than 2008 and we will have a President in Biden more a creature of Wallstreet than any in modern history.
  5. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Again, I agree that all the factors you point to are real factors— but I think you are overweighting their significance, that minds and engagement are changing, and that the final result is going to be far more progressive, and far less business as usual than you are predicting. There is a...
  6. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    So basically we got to register all the Fox viewers to vote in the Democratic primary for Bernie to win is what you’re saying. Fox News Townhall Closing Statement ... xD Man that Fox News audience loved him so much! He got them chanting so hard... Bernie should have just kept going!! B...
  7. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Every major poll shown Bernie as the major second choice of Biden voters, and visa versa. (Odd, but as RaikouLover said, politics is not logical) Bernie was shut out of the media. Beto and Buttigieg are propped up by the media. But the media can bury Bernie no more.
  8. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    You can’t blame them for their assessment of Trump considering Hillary had zero trustworthiness and Trump was campaigning to her left on all the important populist issues— and she couldn’t change her historic relationship to NAFTA, or to Wallstreet or to the Iraq war. Trump decimated her in the...
  9. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    I know. He got the margin right (that’s the easy part to foresee though); the 70/30 seemed ridiculous to me at the time even if the outcome is well within the statistical possibility he gave. He’s salty he was wrong.
  10. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Nate is just salty that he was wrong.
  11. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Fair enough, and we shall see-- I am making predictions based on an expectation of mine that frustrations of the voters will cause them to act more logically. If the electorate was as stupid and uncritical as you describe, an unknown socialist from Vermont would not have won 23 states, and Trump...
  12. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    The story of how Joe Biden (who took more credit card company money than any Republican) defeated Elizabeth Warren and those who fought the Bankruptcy Bill and ultimately sold out an already struggling citizenry...
  13. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Here’s a prediction: Biden continues to stumble as he has been stumbling. His record gets raked through more finely than ever by an increasingly engaged electorate. His campaign is starting with apology after apology, and that will never end because he has so much to apologize for. Wait, he...
  14. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    ...ugh... I also have to find that one awful. It’s Liz Warren vs. Trump... That said 25% of Hillary voters voted for McCain in 2008. And I’ll bet that a big portion of that 3.26% would vote for Tulsi Gabbard or Jill Stein. Warren’s unpopularity with that type of Bernie or Buster has more to...
  15. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    So watching The Humanist Report note that Mike Gravel's platform is near his ideal, I started to think about-- "What would my ideal be, and why?" Obviously you could consider reform going on forever, but let's say 3 to push front and center, 10 that become major campaign pieces. What would they...
  16. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Then I guess Ronald Reagan was an insane regressive leftist.
  17. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    Also did anyone else find it bizarre that Fox News gave Bernie Sanders a better/more fair Town Hall than CNN? Actually I was not at all surprised...
  18. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    After some more review, I've decided that I'm no longer going to show enthusiasm for the Yang campaign. I've decided that while he may to some degree be a good issues candidate, he's not a good solutions candidate, and doesn't deserve my trust. -The more I hear him talk about VAT, and the more...
  19. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    ...lean in to hear the voices of our many different brothers and sisters.
  20. Chou Toshio

    Serious 2020 Democratic Candidates Discussion

    One thing Bernie has got to do is STOP calling his folksong album the worst in all history, and start playing tracks from it at every damn rally. EVERY DAMN RALLY. It is flames, and I don't think any red-blooded American can listen to it without crying; it's that good. Oh Freedom We Shall...
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