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You certainly did not agree that the difference between the two Pokemon was such that hail would not longer be overpowered, but you also did agree that there was a difference vs. some top bulky waters (offensive Suicune is one, Empoleon is another). Actually all bulky waters, since Snover can...

@DetroitLolCat - I think you should include all that in your paragraph, because it's nontrivial. I'm of opinion that a player should be able to read the paragraphs to figure out why the metagame has turned out the way it did even if he didn't read the megathreads / subforums, and the paragraphs...

You doubt wrong. I didn't read it. You also accuse wrong. I did not press an argument that Snover isn't BL. I expected to see an argument in those paragraphs for why Snover is BL, or why Snow Warning is the suspect not Snow Cloak / Abomasnow. I can see no reason not to expect such arguments...

Congratulations reachzero. The paragraphs were disappointing. Lolcat was the only person to mention Snover, and even he did not discuss it. I would've expected lines saying Snover forces out bulky waters the same way Abomasnow does, and calculations to prove it, therefore Snover too deserves...

That's showing how good a writer Eo is :)

I'm curious about this line. Why is it usually outclassed by those two, and why bother with Salamence then if it's outclassed?

Yes but every time Arceus uses those attacks it will not have 90 / 100 base power. Barring weird Pokemon with idk-what-attack-it-is-that-changes-the-target's-type, it will have 135 / 150 base power, and the effective difference is 15. I'd suggest noting this down at least. Incidentally is...

NP Azelf ... if you stay in to use the status move, you risk dying at once to Fire Blast. Same applies to many setup Pokemon, such as Kingdra (are you going to Taunt it when it could use Waterfall predicting your Taunt for big damage?) or Mismagius (the same, but with Shadow Ball). SubCM...

"Albeit" should be "although". Also why not use the shorter "Choice Scarf Garchomp" instead?

Appeal to get Zekrom up soon, it's the only non-Arceus Uber for which we don't have an analysis :)

Would it be more accurate to say it exchanges 15 base power because Arceus is getting STAB on it?

It doesn't matter that Swellow can OHKO Roserade if it can't switch into it ... thing about it this way: Roserade switches in. Are you going to switch in Swellow? If you switch into Sludge Bomb / Leaf Storm, you are dead. If you switch into Sleep Powder and you haven't got Toxic Orb activated...

There's no way Swellow is a good answer to Roserade, I've not done calcs but considering how fragile it is it'll probably die immediately to any attack (a resisted Leaf Storm might even OHKO). Swampert is probably going to be a good tank. Not so sure about Bronzong. Anyone feel it will...

Will the person responsible for making Chinchou as common as Arceus-Rock in Ubers 1337 please stand up? =)

What is the beef with Ice Arceus? If Electric Arceus can CM and sweep with boltbeam + Electric STAB, why can't Ice Arceus CM and sweep with boltbeam + Ice STAB? Sure there's less resistances to use, but Ice STAB is better than Electric STAB in the tier isn't it? Also about Shaymin-S, won't...

Why don't SJCrew just read this thread since he's on the council? Also last time I saw SJCrew on the server, he was not accepting challenges. I'm rather happy that Alakazam and Chansey left the tier. Alakazam because I feel it's too strong, and Chansey because it permits more flexibility...

Lol @ how badly the No Arceus challenge biased Ubers stats. Dialga taking over #1 in 1337 Ubers stats? Blasphemy! Alakazam to OU is a good thing, I do think it's a bit too strong for UU no matter what the council may think. Chansey leaving UU is nice. I'm firmly against Chansey being...

Yes but most of those calcs involve rain and / or +1 from Dragon Dance. Empoleon survives all of them and can at worst phaze Kingdra out, at best burn Kingdra with Scald. Factoring in Leftovers recovery + the fact that Empoleon is burning rain turns, I don't see why Empoleon is not a Kingdra...

So by this point I've used all the common Ubers, as well as some of the more uncommon ones. The following are the ones I'm still curious about, but haven't used: Shaymin-S Thundurus Ice Arceus Electric Arceus I have played against a few of the former two. Shaymin-S is nonsense if it...

My first foray into the Ubers tier was a Drown All-eqsue team that changed and changed like the tides until it eventually turned into this. It's been a solid team with no glaring weaknesses, and very reliable: it got me to #5 on the PO Ubers ladder, where I usually play since Smogon's ladder is...