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  1. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    Ok, so here's what I was trying to get across, with no sidetracking, focusing entirely on Dynamax: 1. Pokemon like Gyarados, Hawlucha and Excadrill were all held up as textbook broken abusers of Dynamax before Home dropped, and yet they were mostly balanced. What has changed? Is it the new...
  2. Gen 8 CAP Updates - CAP3 - Pyroak

    Yeah, I think it just shows it isn't exactly going to be breaking stuff any time soon even under ideal circumstances. Anyone who disagrees with Dragon Dance, speak now or forever hold your peace.
  3. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    This is Ubers. This is a problem because? Well, Nec-DM has an entire gen of experience behind it which tells us that Photon Geyser hits nothing it couldn't already. I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but it seems you're not happy with me using its standard sets for calcs. Please...
  4. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    Message from Nat Dex AG, where we have Dynamaxed Xerneas with HP Fire, Yveltal Max Airstream spam, and similar cancer: Necrozma Dusk-Mane is your new god. Since most breakers are only capable of overwhelming it while Dynamaxed, the usual strategy is to Dynamax Nec-DM on the same turn as your...
  5. AG AG Metagame Discussion

    On a subject I thought of earlier... List of viable Z-move users Eternatus (Cannot Dynamax, so Z moves are its best bet for blowing past the sturdiest walls, and it has a truly Devastating Drake. However, it often prefers to outlast/slowly overwhelm opposing walls rather than blow through them.)...
  6. OU National Dex OU Metagame Discussion

    Quick note: someone pointed out earlier that due to the changes in Happiness mechanics, Return has a far more limited power, so you should always go with Frustration. Wrong, see below. This set looks actually terrifying though...
  7. Gen 8 CAP Updates - CAP3 - Pyroak

    CAP newcomer who's been lurking for a bit and reading old threads. While Dragon Dance Pyroak sounds fine I'm just wondering if it violates this: While this is hardly rebalancing in any way, you would be hard pressed to not call this a buff, however small. And Pyroak does have the bulk to...
  8. OU National Dex Suspect Test 2: Bug

    Unviable, see the VR thread. See also Corv below. Loses to Thunderbolt, one of Gene's most common moves. Doesn't exactly do anything to it either since Gene is immune to Toxic and special varients don't mind Scalds. +1 252 SpA Choice Specs Genesect Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex...
  9. OU National Dex Suspect Test 2: Bug

    Really? Name these mons that can switch into Gene if you only know it has U-turn. Because I can name a Gene set for every one of them that will blow your "checks" to hell. All Gene has to do to bait things is U-turn a few times and people assume it's choiced. But even if it is choiced,you have...
  10. Tournament SPL XI: OU Discussion

    I know that. I was saying the old meta is giving us a great sendoff.
  11. Tournament SPL XI: OU Discussion

    It's almost like the old meta wants us to hate Home and the new meta. Because we're two games in and we've had two classics. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-475539 Ditto VS Scarf Togekiss. Highly skill-based gameplay right there. Or that's what it would look appear like on...
  12. Metagame SS OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Right, time to share some less cancer sets from a newcomer that will be in the tier for longer than a week. Necrozma @ Leftovers Ability: Prism Armor EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Autotomize - Calm Mind - Stored Power - Morning Sun Double Dance Nec is...
  13. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    Nope. It's just part of Prism Armour because they needed a fancy ability for their fancy legendary.
  14. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    Yeah, Prism Armour says explicitly it's not bypassed in the Dex: Yep. Power creep boys and girls. It's so much fun. Next they'll have a new version of Mold Breaker that ignores ignoring.
  15. Metagame SS OU Metagame Discussion v3

    ... Why is it the cheese sets that keep occurring to me? Anyway, in the same "I hope this isn't a thing" vein as King's Rock Kyurem-B: Melmetal @ Choice Scarf Jolly Nature Ability: Iron Fist EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe - Double Iron Bash - Earthquake - Superpower - Thunder Punch (or whatever...
  16. SS OU Using the ugly cousins of meta mons (aside from rotom heat)

    You want a Defogger, and you like slightly off-meta mons? I give you Corviknight's evil cousin. Mandibuzz (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Overcoat EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD Careful Nature - Foul Play - Defog - Roost - U-turn This should solve your Drill and Hydreigpn problems...
  17. Metagame Ubers Metagame and Set Discussion - Home Edition

    Was looking at Dragon Dance Kyurem-W as a special cleaner, but there's a big issue: Kyurem-any (base 95) 252EV 31IV at +1: 433 Speed Zacian-C (base 148) 252EV 31IV +Nat: 434 Speed Yep. You have to run Jolly on Kyurem to beat Jolly Zacian-C at +1 because of 1 speed point. Powercreep in action boys.
  18. AG DLC and the Future of SWSH AG

    Sorry to double post, but there's something I thought of, and it's been too long to simply edit my last post. Now that Home has dropped and Ubers has 10+ mons in it, is there any reason to switch to Galar AG when the the DLC drops that doesn't apply ATM? I feel this is a worthwhile discussion to...
  19. Metagame SS OU Metagame Discussion v3

    Ok, this memer has sets. KB sets ofc, because that's gonna be the meta. Species Clause means baby Kyurem isn't going to stand a chance. Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb Ability: Teravolt EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Fusion Bolt - Icicle Spear - Iron Head/Rock move - Dragon Dance...
  20. OU National Dex Suspect Test 2: Bug

    If this was true, we would be unbanning Xern because it loses to AV Amoonguss. And then we could unban Yveltal since that loses to Xern... And at that point, we unban everything. The fact is that Gene does in fact destroy its checks and counters with the correct set (HP Ground, Dowse Drive...
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