Metagame 1v1 Old Gens

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1v1 Old gens have become an integral part of the 1v1 tournament circuit in the past and will continue to be so in the future. We have three tournaments that include old gens, with USUM and ORAS being the most popular. This thread will be used to develop these old metagames from ORAS to the first generations if we decide to go that much back. You can discuss the meta, resources, new techs and post sample teams here.

Table of Content:
USUM

ORAS
BW
DPP
ADV
GSC
RBY
 
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ADV 1v1
Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Slaking, Clefable, Deoxys, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Snorlax, Suicune, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Flash, Ingrain, Kinesis, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Perish Song, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Destiny Bond, Explosion, Self Destruct, Sleep Powder, Spore, Hypnosis, Yawn, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Grass Whistle, Kings Rock, Brightpowder, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Focus Band

Key Mechanics:
- There is no physical special split. All moves are either physical or special dependent on their type. Including hidden power, which can be physical or special. Best way to remember, All of the current Eevolutions+Dragon is Special, everything else is Physical!
- Choice Scarf and Choice Specs do not exist in this gen.
- Sitrus Berry only heals 30 HP total and berries like Aguav only heal 1/8th (12.5%) of the Pokemon's health. (do not use)
- Taunt only lasts 2 turns and Mental Herb doesn't heal from Taunt
- GENGAR HAS LEVITATE
- Hidden Power's are considered Physical when calculating Counter, so you cannot Mirror Coat any Hidden Powers, but can Counter all of them
- Trace does not Trace Intimidate and then lower Attack
- Sound moves do not go through Substitute


This rule is only to be enforced inside of Room Tournaments

When two players find themselves in a match that would end up going to turn 1000 (happens if both players run out of PP and both Struggles do 6% damage or less), the game is to be coinflipped with the use of the command !pick

Council: LRXC, crucify, pqs, Urfgurgle

S Rank
:zapdos: Zapdos

S- Rank
:registeel: Registeel
:sceptile: Sceptile

A+ Rank
:raikou: Raikou
:marowak: Marowak
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:salamence: Salamence


A Rank
:alakazam: Alakazam
:metagross: Metagross
:regice: Regice
:heracross: Heracross

A- Rank
:blissey: Blissey
:charizard: Charizard
:ursaring: Ursaring
:swampert: Swampert
:starmie: Starmie
:tauros: Tauros
:vaporeon: Vaporeon

B+ Rank
:Gyarados: Gyarados
:blastoise: Blastoise
:houndoom: Houndoom
:celebi: Celebi
:regirock: Regirock
:machamp: Machamp
:kingdra: Kingdra
:dusclops: Dusclops
:entei: Entei


B Rank
:ludicolo: Ludicolo
:venusaur: Venusaur
:gengar: Gengar
:aerodactyl: Aerodactyl
:walrein: Walrein
:jirachi: Jirachi


B- Rank
:armaldo: Armaldo
:moltres: Moltres
:hariyama: Hariyama
:miltank: Miltank
:medicham: Medicham
:jumpluff: Jumpluff
:blaziken: Blaziken

C+ Rank
:kecleon: Kecleon
:lunatone: Lunatone
:scizor: Scizor
:arcanine: Arcanine
:milotic: Milotic
:dragonite: Dragonite
:dodrio: Dodrio

C rank
:flygon: Flygon
:slowbro: Slowbro
:typhlosion: Typhlosion
:grumpig: Grumpig
:jolteon: Jolteon
:shedinja: Shedinja
:porygon2: Porygon2
:meganium: Meganium
:skarmory: Skarmory

C- Rank
:illumise: Illumise
:kangaskhan: Kangaskhan
:hypno: Hypno
:scyther: Scyther
:poliwrath: Poliwrath
:jynx: Jynx
:togetic: Togetic
:rhydon: Rhydon
:crobat: Crobat


^LOOK HERE ^



86: 0 Dusclops
116 0 Kecleon, Rhydon
126: 0 Marowak
136: 0 Regice / Registeel / Hariyama
140: 0- Swampert
142: 0- Tyranitar
146: 0 Blissey
156: 0 Swampert / Porygon2
157 0 -1 Miltank
158: 0 Tyranitar
166: 0 Walrein / Vaporeon / Scizor
170: 0 Hypno
176: 0 Metagross / Ludicolo / Breloom / Poliwrath / Lunatone
192: 0 Blastoise
196: 0 Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur / Dragonite / Grumpig
198: 0 Gyarados / Milotic
206: 0 Heracross
216: 0 Moltres
219: 252 Swampert
221: 252 Tyranitar
226: 0 Houndoom / Arcanine / Sharpedo / Jynx
229: 252 Vaporeon / Scizor
236: 0 Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Miltank / Linoone
237 0 +1 Tyranitar
239: 252 Metagross / Breloom
240: 252+ Swampert
243: 252+ Tyranitar
256: 0 Gengar / Tauros
259: 252 Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur / Dragonite / Grumpig
261: 252 Gyarados / Milotic
262: 252+ Metagross / Breloom
266: 0 Raikou / Starmie
269: 252 Heracross
276: 0 Alakazam
279: 252 Moltres
284: 252+ Blaziken / Medicham / Venusaur
287: 252+ Gyarados / Milotic
289: 252 Houndoom / Arcanine / Jynx / Sharpedo
295: 252+ Heracross
299: 252 Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Charizard / Typhlosion / Dodrio / Raichu
306: 252+ Moltres
317: 252+ Houndoom / Arcanine / Jynx / Sharpedo
319: 252 Gengar / Tauros / Jumpluff
328: 252+ Zapdos / Celebi / Jirachi / Salamence / Flygon / Entei / Charizard / Typhlosion / Dodrio / Raichu
329: 252 Raikou / Starmie
331 252 +1 Tyranitar
339: 252 Alakazam / Sceptile
350: 252+ Gengar / Tauros / Jumpluff
352 0 Swift Swim Ludicolo / 0 Chlorophyl Victreebel
354 0 +1 Salamence
359: 252 Aerodactyl / Jolteon
360 252+ +1 Swampert
361: 252+ Raikou / Starmie
364 252+ +1 Tyranitar
372: 252+ Alakazam / Sceptile
383: 252+ Swellow
388: 252 +1 Blaziken
391 252 +1 Gyarados
392 0 +2 Dragonite
394: 252+ Aerodactyl / Jolteon
403: 252 +1 Heracross
426: 252+ +1 Blaziken
430 252+ +1 Gyarados
433: 252 +1 Houndoom / Sharpedo
442: 252+ +1 Heracross
448 252 +1 Salamence
460: 252+ Ninjask
492 252+ +1 Salamence
656 252+ +2 Dodrio
744 252+ +2 Sceptile

Sample teams:

:Zapdos: :Marowak: :Registeel:
The Brokens Revamp, by LRXC

:Metagross: :Raikou: :Charizard:
Bandgross + DoublePetaya, by crucify

:Blissey: :Salamence: :Heracross:
Blissmence BUGGIN, by LRXC

:Blastoise: :Alakazam: :Tyranitar:
Blastoise and the BOYS, by LRXC

:Swampert: :Ludicolo: :Aerodactyl:
Jurassic Waterpark, by LRXC

:Kecleon: :Regirock: :Celebi:
Kecleon and the LEGENDS, by LRXC
 
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DPP 1v1

Ruleset - [Gen 4] OU, Team Preview

Bans - Latias, Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-All, Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latios, Lugia, Machamp, Manaphy, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Porygon-Z, Rayquaza, Salamence, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Focus Sash, Soul Dew, Dark Void, Grass Whistle, Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Perish Song, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Yawn, Flash, Kinesis, Mirror Shot, Mud Bomb, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Explosion, Self Destruct, Destiny Bond

Notable Bans: Sleep, Latias, Latios, Porygon-Z, Snorlax, Machamp

Unbans - Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Sand Veil

Managed by: PA
VR Council: PA [leader], Inkreativ, 187 Fan, Jabiru, Jamez, Urfgurgle, crucify, Euphonos
Resources:
S- Rank
:shaymin:Shaymin
:tyranitar:Tyranitar

A+ Rank
:cresselia:Cresselia
:dragonite:Dragonite
:infernape:Infernape
:jirachi:Jirachi
:raikou:Raikou
:zapdos:Zapdos

A Rank
:Kingdra:Kingdra
:Registeel:Registeel

A- Rank
:aerodactyl:Aerodactyl
:Celebi:Celebi
:heatran:Heatran
:metagross:Metagross
:Rhyperior:Rhyperior
:Slaking:Slaking
:Suicune:Suicune

B+ Rank
:hariyama:Hariyama
:Heracross:Heracross
:Rotom:Rotom-A
:Sceptile:Sceptile
:Scizor:Scizor
:Swampert:Swampert
:tangrowth:Tangrowth
:Weavile:Weavile

B Rank
:ambipom:Ambipom
:Arcanine:Arcanine
:Azelf:Azelf
:Bronzong:Bronzong
:Clefable:Clefable
:Empoleon:Empoleon
:entei:Entei
:Gallade:Gallade
:gyarados:Gyarados
:Hippowdon:Hippowdon
:Staraptor:Staraptor
:venusaur:Venusaur

B- Rank
:Alakazam:Alakazam
:Blissey:Blissey
:Gastrodon:Gastrodon
:Gengar:Gengar
:Moltres:Moltres
:Umbreon:Umbreon

C+ Rank
:Armaldo:Armaldo
:Dusknoir:Dusknoir
:Electivire:Electivire
:Flygon:Flygon
:Mamoswine:Mamoswine
:Regirock:Regirock
:Roserade:Roserade
:Slowbro:Slowbro
:Torterra:Torterra

C Rank
:abomasnow:Abomasnow
:Azumarill:Azumarill
:Camerupt:Camerupt
:Cradily:Cradily
:Magmortar:Magmortar
:Magnezone:Magnezone
:Porygon2:Porygon2
:Regice:Regice
:Ursaring:Ursaring
:Yanmega:Yanmega

C- Rank
:articuno:Articuno
:Gliscor:Gliscor
:Houndoom:Houndoom
:Jolteon:Jolteon
:Lanturn:Lanturn
:Spiritomb:Spiritomb
:Starmie:Starmie
:Walrein: Walrein

D Rank
:Blaziken:Blaziken
:Lucario:Lucario

Sample Teams:

:tangrowth::Registeel::Suicune: Tangrowth Bulky Offense - PA
:Heatran::Aerodactyl::Shaymin: Heatran Offense - PA
:Swampert::Zapdos::Tyranitar: Swampert Offense - Jamez

Sets Compendium - https://pokepast.es/e3f75c83e46fd3b8
 
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BW 1v1
Banlist: OU Banlist + Focus Sash, Cottonee, Dragonite, Kyurem-Black, Perish Song, Whimsicott, Victini, Togekiss

Unbanlist: Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, Thundurus-Incarnate, Tornadus-Therian, Manaphy, Arena Trap, Shadow Tag, Sand Rush

Council: crucify, DEG, Freddy Kyogre, PA, eblurb, Potatochan, Sanshokuinsumireko
Resources:

S
:keldeo: Keldeo
:latios: Latios
:mew: Mew

A+
:cresselia: Cresselia
:genesect: Genesect
:jirachi: Jirachi
:thundurus: Thundurus
:volcarona: Volcarona

A
:crustle: Crustle
:manaphy: Manaphy
:raikou: Raikou
:sableye: Sableye
:sawk: Sawk
:snorlax: Snorlax
:suicune: Suicune
:tyranitar: Tyranitar

A-
:aerodactyl: Aerodactyl
:garchomp: Garchomp
:haxorus: Haxorus
:landorus-therian: Landorus-Therian
:magnezone: Magnezone
:metagross: Metagross
:meloetta: Meloetta
:serperior: Serperior
:porygon-z: Porygon-Z

B+
:Chandelure: Chandelure
:chansey: Chansey
:hariyama: Hariyama
:heatran: Heatran
:heracross: Heracross
:infernape: Infernape
:jumpluff: Jumpluff
:registeel: Registeel
:rhyperior: Rhyperior
:shaymin: Shaymin
:slaking: Slaking
:terrakion: Terrakion
:zapdos: Zapdos

B
:ambipom: Ambipom
:arcanine: Arcanine
:archeops: Archeops
:conkeldurr: Conkeldurr
:donphan: Donphan
:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:hydreigon: Hydreigon
:jellicent: Jellicent
:scrafty: Scrafty
:slowbro: Slowbro
:starmie: Starmie

B-
:alakazam:
Alakazam
:blissey: Blissey
:breloom: Breloom
:celebi: Celebi
:durant: Durant
:empoleon: Empoleon
:gengar: Gengar
:gyarados: Gyarados
:kyurem: Kyurem
:latias: Latias
:mienshao: Mienshao
:sceptile: Sceptile
:scizor: Scizor
:porygon2: Porygon2
:reuniclus: Reuniclus
:rotom-wash: Rotom-Wash
:swampert: Swampert
:thundurus-therian: Thundurus-Therian
:tornadus-therian: Tornadus-Therian

C+
:carracosta: Carracosta
:cofagrigus: Cofagrigus
:darmanitan: Darmanitan
:excadrill: Excadrill
:exeggutor: Exeggutor
:gastrodon: Gastrodon
:hippowdon: Hippowdon
:kingdra: Kingdra
:krookodile: Krookodile
:landorus: Landorus
:riolu: Riolu
:rotom-heat: Rotom-Heat
:salamence: Salamence
:staraptor: Staraptor
:umbreon: Umbreon
:venusaur: Venusaur
:virizion: Virizion

C
:azumarill: Azumarill
:bronzong: Bronzong
:cacturne: Cacturne
:Dusclops: Dusclops
:entei: Entei
:gallade: Gallade
:galvantula: Galvantula
:hitmonlee: Hitmonlee
:mamoswine: Mamoswine
:medicham: Medicham
:moltres: Moltres
:quagsire: Quagsire
:smeargle: Smeargle
:torterra: Torterra
:weavile: Weavile

C-
:aron: Aron
:cinccino: Cinccino
:cobalion: Cobalion
:escavalier: Escavalier
:miltank: Miltank
:murkrow: Murkrow

D
:scyther: Scyther
:politoed: Politoed
5: FEAR Aron
76: 0 Ferrothorn / Escavalier
86: 0 Dusclops
96: 0 Snorlax / Reuniclus / Cofagrigus
100: 0 Carracosta
102: 0 Bronzong
106: 0 Quagsire
114: 0 Gastrodon
116: 0 Rhyperior
126: 0 Crustle / Conkeldurr / Golem
130: 0 Hippowdown
136: 0 Chansey / Registeel / Azumarill
146: 0 Blissey
152: 0 Scrafty
156: 0 Jellicent / Magnezone / Porygon2 / Clefable
158: 0 Tyranitar
159: 252 Snorlax
163: 252 Carracosta
166: 0 Umbreon
176: 0 Metagross / Politoed
179: 252 Rhyperior
179: 252+ Carracosta
189: 252 Crustle / Conkeldurr / Golem
190: 0 Heatran
196: 0 Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
198: 0 Gyarados
206: 0 Cresselia / Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
207: 252+ Crustle
208: 0 Rotom-Wash
215: 252 Scrafty
216: 0 Meloetta / Porygon-Z / Moltres
218: 0 Landorus-T
219: 252 Jellicent / Magnezone / Porygon2
221: 252 Tyranitar
230: 0 Haxorus
232: 0 Hydreigon
236: 0 Manaphy / Mew / Jirachi / Celebi / Slaking / Victini / Zapdos / Salamence
238: 0 Landorus
239: 252 Metagross / Breloom / Politoed
240: 0 Garchomp
240: 252+ Magnezone
252: +2 0 Crustle
252: 0 Galvantula
253: 252 Heatran
256: 0 Latias
259: 252 Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
261: 252 Gyarados
262: 252+ Metagross / Breloom / Politoed
266: 0 Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
269: 252 Sawk / Cresselia / Suicune / Heracross
271: 252 Rotom-Wash
273: 252+ Smeargle
278: 252+ Heatran
279: 252 Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
281: 252 Landorus-T
284: 252+ Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade
287: 252+ Gyarados
293: 252 Haxorus
295: 252+ Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
295: 252 Hydreigon
297: 252 Genesect
298: 252+ Rotom-Wash
299: 252 Jirachi / Manaphy / Mew / Celebi / Slaking / Victini / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
301: Landorus-T
302: 252+ Excadrill
303: 252 Garchomp
306: 252+ Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
309: 252+ Landorus-T
315: 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
317: 252+ Darmanitan
317: 252 Durant
319: 252 Latios / Latias / Gengar
322: 252+ Haxorus
324: 252+ Hydreigon
326: 252+ Genesect
326: +2 252 Carracosta
328: 252+ Jirachi / Mew / Victini / Manaphy / Celebi / Slaking / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
329: 252 Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
331: 252+ Landorus
333: 252+ Garchomp
339: 252 Alakazam
341: 252 Tornadus-T
346: 252+ Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
348: 252+ Durant
349: 252 Weavile
350: 252+ Latios / Jumpluff / Archeops / Latias / Gengar
358: Scarf 252 Metagross
358: +2 252+ Carracosta
361: 252+ Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
372: 252+ Alakazam
375: 252+ Tornadus-T
378: +2 252 Crustle
383: 252+ Weavile
388: Scarf 252 Chandelure / Togekiss
393: Scarf 252+ Metagross
394: 252+ Aerodactyl
403: Scarf 252 Sawk
412: Scarf 252 Excadrill
414: +2 252+ Crustle
419: Scarf 252 Porygon-Z
421: Scarf 252 Landorus-T
426: Scarf 252+ Chandelure / Togekiss
433: Scarf 252 Darmanitan
439: Scarf 252 Haxorus
442: Scarf 252+ Sawk
442: Scarf 252 Hydreigon
445: Scarf 252 Genesect
448: Scarf 252 Jirachi / Slaking / Victini / Staraptor
453: Scarf 252+ Excadrill
454: Scarf 252 Garchomp
462: Scarf 252+ Porygon-Z
463: Scarf 252+ Landorus-T
472: Scarf 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion
475: Scarf 252+ Darmanitan
478: Scarf 252 Latios / Archeops
482: Scarf 252+ Haxorus
486: Scarf 252+ Hydreigon
489: Scarf 252+ Genesect
492: Scarf 252+ Jirachi / Slaking / Victini
499: Scarf 252+ Garchomp
519: Scarf 252+ Keldeo
525: Scarf 252+ Latios / Archeops
Prankster: Sableye, Riolu, Murkrow, Thundurus


Sample Teams:

:scrafty: :raikou: :mew:
Raikou Balance by Poison Adhesive
:Serperior: :jirachi: :keldeo:
Serperior Offense by Kaif
:heatran: :hariyama: :shaymin:
Hariyama Bulky Offense by SolarflareRo
:jirachi: :jellicent: :rhyperior:
Rhyperior Balance by eblurb

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/4313d3580f4f9cd3
 
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ORAS 1v1
Led by DEG
Ruleset: Pokemon, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Illegal, Unreleased, Arceus, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Shaymin-Sky, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Perish Song, Focus Sash, Kangaskhanite, Salamencite, Chansey + Charm + Seismic Toss, Flash, Kinesis, Leaf Tornado, Mirror Shot, Mud Bomb, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Night Daze, Octazooka, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Soul Dew

Unbans: Aegislash, Deoxys-Speed, Genesect, Gengar-Mega, Greninja, Hoopa-Unbound, Landorus-I, Lucario-Mega, Sableye-Mega, Mawile-Mega.

VR Council: DEG, 187 Fan, Lancer Fr, OM, LRXC, Elo Bandit, Mubs, DezShizzels

Resources:
S
:Charizard-Mega-X: Charizard-Mega-X

S-
:Charizard-Mega-Y: Charizard-Mega-Y
:Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black
:Mawile-Mega: Mawile-Mega
:Metagross-Mega: Metagross-Mega
:Sableye-Mega: Sableye-Mega

A+
:Altaria-Mega: Altaria-Mega
:Gardevoir-Mega: Gardevoir-Mega
:Greninja: Greninja
:Gyarados-Mega: Gyarados-Mega
:Heatran: Heatran
:Slowbro-Mega: Slowbro-Mega
:Victini: Victini

A
:Lopunny-Mega: Lopunny-Mega
:Manaphy: Manaphy
:Meloetta: Meloetta
:Mew: Mew
:Porygon-Z: Porygon-Z
:Tyranitar-Mega: Tyranitar-Mega
:Venusaur-Mega: Venusaur-Mega


A-
:Diancie-Mega: Diancie-Mega
:Dragonite: Dragonite
:Garchomp: Garchomp
:Genesect: Genesect
:Gengar-Mega: Gengar-Mega
:Serperior: Serperior
:Togekiss: Togekiss

B+
:Archeops: Archeops
:Heracross-Mega: Heracross-Mega
:Hoopa-Unbound: Hoopa-Unbound
:Landorus-Therian: Landorus-Therian
:Registeel: Registeel
:Snorlax: Snorlax
:Volcanion: Volcanion
:Whimsicott: Whimsicott

B
:Aggron: Aggron
:Aggron-Mega: Aggron-Mega
:Ampharos-Mega: Ampharos-Mega
:Chansey: Chansey
:Crustle: Crustle
:Diancie: Diancie
:Donphan: Donphan
:Haxorus: Haxorus
:Jirachi: Jirachi
:Landorus: Landorus
:Rhyperior: Rhyperior
:Sawk: Sawk
:Slaking: Slaking
:Sylveon: Sylveon
:Terrakion: Terrakion
:Volcarona: Volcarona

B-
:Aegislash: Aegislash
:Alakazam-Mega: Alakazam-Mega
:Azumarill: Azumarill
:Blastoise-Mega: Blastoise-Mega
:Clefable: Clefable
:Deoxys-Speed: Deoxys-Speed
:Empoleon: Empoleon
:Jumpluff: Jumpluff
:Latias-Mega: Latias-Mega
:Magnezone: Magnezone
:Medicham-Mega: Medicham-Mega
:Pinsir-Mega: Pinsir-Mega
:Porygon2: Porygon2
:Swampert-Mega: Swampert-Mega
:Talonflame: Talonflame
:Vivillon: Vivillon

C+
:Camerupt-Mega: Camerupt-Mega
:Entei: Entei
:Gallade-Mega: Gallade-Mega
:Latios: Latios
:Lucario-Mega: Lucario-Mega
:Manectric-Mega: Manectric-Mega
:Pidgeot-Mega: Pidgeot-Mega
:Smeargle: Smeargle
:Thundurus-Therian: Thundurus-T

C
:Ambipom: Ambipom
:Conkeldurr: Conkeldurr
:Darmanitan: Darmanitan
:Emboar: Emboar
:Ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:Gastrodon: Gastrodon
:Golem: Golem
:Keldeo: Keldeo
:Raikou: Raikou
:Regirock: Regirock
:Reuniclus: Reuniclus
:Scizor-Mega: Scizor-Mega
:Zapdos: Zapdos

C-
:Audino-Mega: Audino-Mega
:Aurorus: Aurorus
:Avalugg: Avalugg
:Blissey: Blissey
:Celebi: Celebi
:Cresselia: Cresselia
:Durant: Durant
:Glalie-mega: Glalie-Mega
:Heracross: Heracross
:Hitmonlee: Hitmonlee
:Houndoom-Mega: Houndoom-Mega
:Infernape: Infernape
:Kingdra: Kingdra
:Rotom-Heat: Rotom-Heat
:Salamence: Salamence

D
:Abomasnow-Mega: Abomasnow-Mega
:Aron: Aron
:Banette-Mega: Banette-Mega
:Excadrill: Excadrill
:Florges: Florges
:Klefki: Klefki
:Musharna: Musharna
:Riolu: Riolu
:Scolipede: Scolipede
:Shedinja: Shedinja
:Steelix-Mega: Steelix-Mega

Do not use
:ditto:Ditto
:magnemite:Magnemite
Key
Min Speed
= 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.
Note: In Gen 6, speed changes caused by a mon mega evolving take effect on the next turn

Bolded text
will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks

- slow-
40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
76: Bulky Sableye-Mega, Bulky Camerupt-Mega
94: Min Speed Aggron-Mega
96: Bulky Slowbro-Mega, Bulky Snorlax
116: Bulky Rhyperior, Bulky Camerupt
122: -Nature Diancie
126: Bulky Golem, Bulky Ampharos-Mega
136: Bulky Mawile-Mega, Bulky Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Aggron-Mega, Bulky Azumarill, Bulky Chansey, Bulky Pre-Mega Sableye, Bulky Registeel, Bulky Donphan
140: -Nature Aegislash
156: Bulky Sylveon, Bulky Aegislash, Bulky Magnezone, Bulky Empoleon, Bulky Porygon2, Bulky Pre-Mega Swampert
158: Bulky Pre-Mega Tyranitar
166: Bulky Pre-Mega Scizor
176: Bulky Pre-Mega Metagross, Bulky Volcanion, Bulky Swampert-Mega
178: Bulky Tyranitar-Mega
179: Fast Rhyperior
186: Bulky Heracross-Mega, Bulky Scizor-Mega
189: Fast Golem, Fast Crustle
- medium -
190: Bulky Heatran
192: Bulky Blastoise-Mega
196: Bulky Altaria-Mega, Bulky Venusaur-Mega, Bulky Dragonite, Bulky Togekiss
198: Bulky Gyarados-Mega, Bulky Hoopa-Unbound
199: Fast Aggron, Fast Donphan, Fast Azumarill
206: Bulky Pre-Mega Heracross
207: Max Speed Crustle
216: Bulky Porygon-Z, Bulky Meloetta
218: Max Speed Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Landorus-T, Max Speed Aggron, Max Speed Donphan
221: Fast Pre-Mega Tyranitar
226: Bulky Kyurem-Black
236: Bulky Manaphy, Bulky Charizard-Mega-X, Bulky Charizard-Mega-Y, Bulky Volcarona, Bulky Entei
238: Bulky Pre-Mega Pidgeot
239: Fast Pre-Mega Metagross, Fast Volcanion
241: Fast Tyranitar-Mega
243: Max Speed Pre-Mega Tyranitar
246: Bulky Pre-Mega Manectric
249: Fast Heracross-Mega
255: Fast Blastoise-Mega
256: Bulky Diancie-Mega, Bulky Metagross-Mega
259: Fast Dragonite, Fast Togekiss, Fast Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Fast Hoopa-Unbound
261: Fast Gyarados-Mega
262: Max Speed Metagross, Max Speed Breloom, Max Speed Volcanion
265: Max Speed Tyranitar-Mega
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Sawk, Fast Pre-Mega Heracross
273: Max Speed Smeargle, Max Speed Heracross-Mega
278: Max Speed Heatran, Bulky Pidgeot-Mega
- fast -
279: Fast Porygon-Z
281: Fast Landorus-T
284: Max Speed Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Dragonite, Max Speed Pre-Mega Medicham, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gallade, Max Speed Altaria-Mega, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound, Max Speed Venusaur-Mega
287: Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
288: Bulky Talonflame
289: Fast Kyurem-Black
293: Fast Haxorus
295: Max Speed Pre-Mega Pinsir, Max Speed Pre-Mega Heracross, Max Speed Sawk
297: Fast Genesect
298: Fast Scarf Aggron
299: Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Gardevoir-Mega, Fast Victini, Fast Slaking, Fast Volcarona, Fast Entei
301: Fast Pre-Mega Pidgeot
304: Max Speed Vivillon
306: Max Speed Porygon-Z, Max Speed Meloetta, Max Speed Pre-Mega Lucario, Bulky Manectric-Mega
309: Fast Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Landorus-T, Fast Pre-Mega Manectric
317: Max Speed Kyurem-Black
319: Fast Metagross-Mega
322: Max Speed Haxorus
326: Max Speed Genesect
327: Scarf Max Speed Aggron
328: Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Max Speed Charizard-Mega-Y, Max Speed Gardevoir-Mega, Max Speed Victini, Max Speed Manaphy, Max Speed Mew, Max Speed Jirachi, Max Speed Medicham-Mega, Max Speed Slaking, Max Speed Volcarona, Max Speed Entei
331: Max Speed Landorus, Max Speed Pre-Mega Pidgeot, Max Speed Thundurus-Therian
333: Max Speed Garchomp
339: Max Speed Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Pinsir-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Manectric
341: Fast Pidgeot-Mega
343: Fast Greninja
346: Max Speed Terrakion
350: Max Speed Metagross-Mega, Max Speed Diancie-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gengar, Max Speed Archeops, Max Speed Latias-Mega, Max Speed Jumpluff, Max Speed Latios, Max Speed Gallade-Mega
351: Fast Talonflame
355: Max Speed Lucario-Mega
356: Max Speed Serperior
358: Fast Scarf Volcanion
369: Fast Lopunny-Mega, Fast Manectric-Mega
372: Max Speed Pre-Mega Alakazam
375: Max Speed Pidgeot-Mega
377: Max Speed Greninja
378: +2 Fast Crustle
386: Max Speed Talonflame
- nascar -
388: Fast Scarf Dragonite, Fast Scarf Togekiss, Fast Scarf Hoopa-Unbound
391: +1 Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
393: Scarf Max Speed Volcanion
394: Max Speed Gengar-Mega
403: Fast Scarf Sawk
405: Max Speed Lopunny-Mega, Max Speed Manectric-Mega
414: +2 Max Speed Crustle
417: Scarf Max Speed Heatran
418: Fast Scarf Porygon-Z
421: Fast Scarf Landorus-T
426: Scarf Max Speed Dragonite, Scarf Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound
433: Fast Scarf Kyurem-Black
438: Max Speed Alakazam-Mega
439: Fast Scarf Haxorus
442: Scarf Max Speed Sawk
445: Fast Scarf Genesect
448: +1 Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Scarf Slaking, +1 Fast Volcarona
459: Scarf Max Speed Porygon-Z, Fast Deoxys-Speed
463: Scarf Max Speed Landorus-T
472: Fast Scarf Terrakion
475: Scarf Max Speed Kyurem-Black
483: Scarf Max Speed Haxorus
489: Scarf Max Speed Genesect
492: +1 Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Scarf Max Speed Jirachi, Scarf Max Speed Victini, Scarf Max Speed Slaking, +1 Max Speed Volcarona
496: Scarf Max Speed Landorus
499: Scarf Max Speed Garchomp
504: Max Speed Deoxys-Speed
514: Fast Scarf Greninja
519: Scarf Max Speed Terrakion
525: Scarf Max Speed Archeops
565: Scarf Max Speed Greninja

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/971489d28ce0bac8 [EDITED 8 / 18 /2021]
Sample Teams:
:terrakion: :charizard-mega-x: :gardevoir-mega:
Team by DEG
:slowbro-mega: :heatran: :gardevoir-mega:
Team by Dom
:latias-mega: :mawile-mega: :heatran:
Team by Dom
:mawile-mega: :charizard-mega-x: :manaphy:
Team by 187 Fan
:Gardevoir-mega: :tyranitar-mega: :heatran:
Team by OM
 
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Rosa

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USUM 1v1
Ruleset - Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans - Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kyogre, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Marshadow, Mewtwo, Mimikyu, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Salamence-Mega, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Solgaleo, Tapu Koko, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Focus Sash, Perish Song, Detect + Fightinium Z

VR Council: Rosa, Freddy Kyogre, Squirtell 1v1, Elo Bandit, TheShadowClaw, pqs, Close, rumia

S Rank
Charizard-Mega-X
Dragonite

S- Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y
Gyarados-Mega
Magearna

A+ Rank
Gardevoir-Mega
Greninja
Mew
Porygon-Z
Tapu Lele

A Rank
Meloetta
Metagross-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Victini
:zeraora:Zeraora
Zygarde-Complete

A- Rank
Aegislash
Heatran
Kommo-o
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Mawile-Mega
Primarina
Serperior
Tapu Fini

B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega
Blaziken-Mega
Celesteela
Clefable
Crustle
Donphan
Garchomp
Genesect
Porygon2
Sableye-Mega
Togekiss
Tyranitar-Mega
Venusaur-Mega

B Rank
Aggron-Mega
Carracosta
Diancie-Mega
Ferrothorn
Hoopa-Unbound
:incineroar:Incineroar
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Jirachi
Kartana
:krookodile:Krookodile
:lopunny-mega:Lopunny-Mega
:magneton:Magneton
:manaphy: Manaphy
Naganadel
Necrozma
Pheromosa
Pinsir-Mega
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Registeel
Scizor-Mega
Tapu Bulu
Volcarona
Whimsicott

B- Rank

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Aggron
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Ambipom
Archeops
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Audino-Mega
Deoxys-S
Golem
Haxorus
Heracross-Mega
Jumpluff
:kyurem:Kyurem
Latias-Mega
Medicham-Mega
Nihilego
Quagsire
Sawk
Swampert-Mega
Terrakion
Type: Null
Vivillon
Zapdos

C+ Rank

Araquanid
Avalugg
Blacephalon
Camerupt-Mega
Chansey
Diggersby
Durant
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Emboar
Gallade-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Gigalith
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Gyarados
Keldeo
Latios
Raikou
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Regice
Rhyperior
Rotom-Heat
Salamence
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Scrafty
:shaymin: Shaymin
Slaking
Smeargle
Umbreon
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Vaporeon
Volcanion

C Rank
aerodactyl-mega.png
Aerodactyl-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Blaziken
Buzzwole
Darmanitan
Empoleon
Entei
Excadrill
Illumise
Infernape
Landorus
Lucario-Mega
Marowak-Alola
Muk-Alola
Pidgeot-Mega
Pyukumuku
Rotom-Wash
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Scolipede
Skarmory
Staraptor
Steelix-Mega
Suicune
Thundurus-Therian
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Trevenant
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Tyranitar
Xurkitree

C- Rank
Abomasnow-Mega
Alakazam
Alakazam-Mega
Azumarill
Blissey
Breloom
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Celebi
Garchomp-Mega
193990
Gengar
Hydreigon
Lycanroc-Dusk
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Musharna
Ninetales-Alola
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Reuniclus
Salazzle
Sceptile-Mega
Sylveon
:talonflame:Talonflame
Thundurus
Togedemaru
weavile.png
Weavile

D Rank
Ampharos-Mega
Arcanine
Aron
Chandelure
Cloyster
:Hawlucha: Hawlucha
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Mamoswine
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Milotic
:nidoking: Nidoking
Rampardos
Relicanth
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Riolu
Sceptile
shedinja.png
Shedinja
Stakataka


VR Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RteIA0rOipjlxWLf4FO8AR9cKXqtO7Lp5vUnO0Rg6YE/edit?usp=sharing
Resources:
General Resources: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-general-information-resources-ask-questions-here.3646761/
Sets VR: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sets-viability-rankings.3646825/
Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/f83a6a502d0141ca
Sample Teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sample-teams.3646826/#post-7094792
Speed Tiers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-speed-tiers.3646928/
 
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Gen 1 does not have dedicated resources, due to a combination of more RNG than perceived acceptable and lack of motivation to create said resources (since there are already plenty of other more interesting and competitive Old Gens). However, if one intends to create a Gen 1 tournament on PS, these rules can be used.

Gen 1 1v1
Ruleset:
Gen 1 OU, Team Preview
Bans: Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Explosion, Self-Destruct, Bind, Wrap, Clamp, Fire Spin, Flash, Kinesis, Sand Attack, Smokescreen
/tour create gen1ou, elimination/round robin
/tour rules -uber ++ ou ++ uu ++ nfe ++ lc ++ nu > 3, -Hypnosis, -Lovely Kiss, -Sing, -Sleep Powder, -Spore, -explosion, -selfdestruct, -Bind, -wrap, -clamp, -fire spin, -flash, -kinesis, -sand attack, -smokescreen, team preview, picked team size=1
/tour name [Gen 1] 1v1


[OLD] Link to oldass RBY VRs and Samples
 
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GSC 1v1

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Banlist: Celebi, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Snorlax, Clefable, Zapdos, Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Explosion, Self-Destruct, Flash, Kinesis, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Mud Slap, Octazooka, Swagger, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, Present, Berserk Gene, Bright Powder, King's Rock, Focus Band, Quick Claw

Council Members: SuperMemeBroz (Tier Leader), Elo Bandit, Urfgurgle, RTM, superstrike66, Murman

S Rank
:raikou: Raikou
:alakazam: Alakazam

A+ Rank
:blissey: Blissey
:exeggutor: Exeggutor
:heracross: Heracross
:machamp: Machamp
:marowak: Marowak
:Starmie: Starmie

A Rank
:entei: Entei
:jolteon: Jolteon
:jumpluff: Jumpluff
:skarmory: Skarmory
:tauros: Tauros
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:ursaring: Ursaring
:vaporeon: Vaporeon
:venusaur: Venusaur

A- Rank
:Articuno: Articuno
:Dragonite: Dragonite
:moltres: Moltres
:Steelix: Steelix
:suicune: Suicune

B+ Rank
:charizard: Charizard
:Gengar: Gengar
:gyarados: Gyarados
:hitmonlee: Hitmonlee
:houndoom: Houndoom
:jynx: Jynx
:kingdra: Kingdra
:meganium: Meganium
:nidoking: Nidoking

B Rank
:Arcanine: Arcanine
:Espeon: Espeon
:miltank: Miltank
:porygon2: Porygon2
:primeape: Primeape
:scizor: Scizor
:slowbro: Slowbro
:umbreon: Umbreon

B- Rank
:Dodrio: Dodrio
:Electabuzz: Electabuzz
:magmar: Magmar
:misdreavus: Misdreavus
:piloswine: Piloswine
:raichu: Raichu
:slowking: Slowking
:tentacruel: Tentacruel
:typhlosion: Typhlosion
:victreebel: Victreebel


C+ Rank
:Aerodactyl: Aerodactyl
:Clefairy: Clefairy
:Golem: Golem
:Hypno: Hypno
:Lanturn: Lanturn
:lapras: Lapras
:Mr. Mime: Mr. Mime
:Muk: Muk
:politoed: Politoed
:poliwrath: Poliwrath
:quagsire: Quagsire
:Scyther: Scyther
:Smeargle: Smeargle


C Rank
:blastoise: Blastoise
:chansey: Chansey
:Dewgong: Dewgong
:Donphan: Donphan
:Mantine: Mantine
:Shuckle: Shuckle
:rhydon: Rhydon
:gligar: Gligar

GSC quirks - https://pokepast.es/b5a7d1401738c7da

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/804187763eda8b5f


Sample Teams:

Blissey by Elo Bandit
:Raikou:
:Blissey: :Skarmory:
Alakazam by Elo Bandit
:Alakazam: :Machamp: :Raikou:
Gyarados by Elo Bandit
:Gyarados:
:Marowak: :Raikou:
Icy Boi by RTM
:Articuno:
:Jolteon: :Marowak:
Heracross by Elo Bandit
:Heracross:
:Exeggutor: :Vaporeon:
Dnite Murmegg by Murman
:Dragonite:
:Heracross: :Blissey:
What The Frog by doc1203
:Skarmory: :Politoed: :Muk:
Viability Rankings / Samples Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...EwaHIhThR0o93mwv58DdCAdL9Tk/edit?usp=drivesdk
 
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XSTATIC COLD

I COULD BE BANNED!
suggest ban for kyu b in bw 1v1 ... This shit is litterally broken especially that fairy didnt exist in gen 5 ... so it breaks all the meta. I must take scarf haxorus to beat it ( and again it can tank if it is ev'd in def).
In fact Kyurem can destroy all the meta, it depends if it is scarf or band, or weakness policy...

Sorry but a 700 bs mon with mold breaker and a devastating attack base (which can be mixed with spe atck) is literally insane.
I ask for a ban.
 

dom

Banned deucer.
suggest ban for kyu b in bw 1v1 ... This shit is litterally broken especially that fairy didnt exist in gen 5 ... so it breaks all the meta. I must take scarf haxorus to beat it ( and again it can tank if it is ev'd in def).
In fact Kyurem can destroy all the meta, it depends if it is scarf or band, or weakness policy...

Sorry but a 700 bs mon with mold breaker and a devastating attack base (which can be mixed with spe atck) is literally insane.
I ask for a ban.
On paper its pretty annoying but theres no lack of steels or whatever to beat this mon, and Jirachi being the best mon in the tier does it no favors. It has not shown itself to be broken in bw 1v1 in classic (loses to other shit like cress too, band or whatever has so much opportunity cost) and additionally absolutely nobody that had i think wco1v1 bw success wanted to ban it. I dont want a ban off the table but i really think this is you (who hasnt played bw 1v1 in tour at all) speculating. Much more broken mon on paper than in practice.

Again not opposed to a suspect later on but unless 3000 new sets emerge I don't think we should focus on it right now.
 

XSTATIC COLD

I COULD BE BANNED!
yeah i agree that jirachi is broken too... but don't forget that weakness policy kyurem earth power beat jirachi, and the problem is that only a minority beats Kyurem.
The thing i don't understand is : why kyurem is banned in gen 7 with all fairys, and is not banned in gen 5 whereas it is more broken in gen 5 than gen 7 cause fairy didnt exist...

Why you said i didnt play bw 1v1? i always play 1v1 bw in official, and i can affirm that three quarters of my loss are due to kyurem.
 

dom

Banned deucer.
yeah i agree that jirachi is broken too... but don't forget that weakness policy kyurem earth power beat jirachi, and the problem is that only a minority beats Kyurem.
The thing i don't understand is : why kyurem is banned in gen 7 with all fairys, and is not banned in gen 5 whereas it is more broken in gen 5 than gen 7 cause fairy didnt exist...

Why you said i didnt play bw 1v1? i always play 1v1 bw in official, and i can affirm that three quarters of my loss are due to kyurem.
Weakness policy does not exist in gen 5, lol. I'm saying you haven't played in stuff like BW cup but either way roomtours suck. WP literally doesn't exist in BW and this kinda proves my point about you not playing enough.

Not only is its Choice Scarf that good, though it is
Honestly, it's not a super good set.
but its other sets are way better at handling its threat, with specially defensive Specs taking care of PZ, Genesect, Heatran, and other such Scarf-countering Special attackers
This is a complete non-existant set. Have not seen it in classic at all. Not to mention it's not reliable to beat something like tran who can dodge a Focus Miss.
and physically defensive CBand countering Scarf-countering physical attackers like Scarf Chomp, Cresselia amongst others.. And there's the ever-present Scarf for the Speed factor. (Of course specially defensive Band, and physically defensive Band sets are also good, but that would make this post too much work; I'll drop some calculations just to show its tanking capabilities...)
252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-Black: 390-462 (99.7 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Absolutely NOBODY is gonna slap a scarf chomp on their team (ever, that mon sucks) and be like, "yeah i countered kyub". cress can easily reflect on kyub and beat it unless its running some toxic bs. We should ban a mon that abuses being versatile, not one that can.

This Kyub discussion from players who haven't played BW in a tour (yes i know about that young dramps thing that died) is pretty silly. You guys are talking about sets that don't or literally can't exist. It's a versatile mon that doesn't actually use any of the sets you guys say it does. Not saying you guys shouldn't have a voice you're both just not basing your arguments off reality.
 
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XSTATIC COLD

I COULD BE BANNED!
yeah i believed it was introduiced in gen 5, my bad.
But anyway it is insane, a 700 bs mon which can tank outrages, which can ohko nearly all meta and which have mold breaker... it's too much.

List of mons potentially beating kyurem :
scarf haxorus , jirachi, scarf latios, maybe scizor and ferro if he doesnt have hp fire...

You just have to put a heatran like mate and you cover all meta.

=> not broken
 

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Submitting a potential sample team for Gen 6 1v1:
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Bulldoze / Rock Tomb / Substitute
- Iron Head / Meteor Mash

Medicham @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Poison Jab

Tyranitar @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 48 HP / 252 SpD / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Tomb / Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Taunt
- Iron Head / Counter / Rock move if you're using DD
Pokepaste for convenience https://pokepast.es/dbbc044e05d6377f
Metagross and Ttar bulk most of the metagame while Medi handles some of the particular threats like Venusaur, Whimsicott, Volcanion, and Rhyperior. At first glance you might think the team gets bodied by Bandchomp, but Metagross actually bulks an Earthquake plus Rough Skin dmg and KOs with Ice Punch.
Metagross is basically just all coverage, each move beating particular mons like Tpunch for Gyara, Ice Punch for Chomp/Dnite, Bulldoze/Tomb for Greninja, Substitute for Mawile, etc.
Medicham is a go-to breaker for most bulky Pokemon, since Fake Out + HJK rips things in half, also having two coverage slots that it can do whatever it wants with.
Tyranitar is your answer to some of the stallier mons like Slowbro, Mew, and Jumpluff, thanks to Taunt. It's also bulked to barely live a Gren specs Cannon and outspeed it after a tomb or dd

Main threats to the team are:
  • Mawile, which you need Sub on megagross for in order to dodge sucker
  • Other Megagross, which Counter on Ttar kinda covers
  • A few other mons with really heavily on cteam-ish sets
 

CrashinBoomBang

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High off my win this week, and (in my opinion) having a pretty good grasp on DPP 1v1 after following it, building for it, and playing it for a few months now, I figured I'd give some input.

First of all, some placements. I think Rhyperior and especially Cressellia are extremely overrated. Yeah, they're both still very good, and definitely require some very intricate counterplay, but the issue I have with them is that they are extremely easy to beat in the teambuilder with very little extra effort required. I think we can an all agree that both have one definite best set: SD Endure Custap for Rhyperior and Reflect CM for Cresselia. They're both good and beat a good deal of Pokemon. But again, they are extremely predictable and easy to tech for, and their other sets are about five times worse. Sure, you will catch something offguard with CB Rhyperior or TrickSpecs/Scarf once in a while, but that is hardly reliable, especially not with how common Mail is becoming. Compare that to the (in my opinion) best Pokemon in the tier, Suicune. Very good "main set", and even stuff that beats it "in the builder" is very prone to losing to techs, with SpDef and Wacan + Mirror Coat Suicune seeing use to beat Electrics. I think Suicune is the objective best because it can tailor itself to support the rest of your team instead of being stuck in one role a la Cress/Rhyp, and it can be tailor made to beat/lure pretty much anything.

Apart from that, there are some curious omissions: Torterra (probably the single best TTar/Rhyp check in the tier with some other obvious applications, such as beating CB DNite), Feraligatr (Literally beats the entirety of S and A+ minus Rotom and some strange TTar/Rachi sets, but they have to be quite specific), Raikou (How the fuck is Ampharos on there but not the mon that beats anything fat by itself and the one Electric that can halfway reliably beat ALL cune sets? Surely dumbass counter can't be that good). I also think Heracross and Hariyama should be a LOT higher given Machamps placement. I know that people love relying on luck a lot which I will get to in my next point, but Hariyama and Machamp are functionally very similar. One can luck slower mons and beats Gyarados, one beats CB Dragonite and Heatran. Heracross is a fighter with an extremely easy time against Suicune and Cresselia, and that also beats Grass types reliably, but loses to Rotom bar CB Night Slash vs Non Specs Overheat. There's definitely not this many subranks between these.

Lastly, the (to me) elephant in the room. Jirachi. This thing SUCKS. Now, I don't know if people just figure it's good here because it got banned in SM, but wow, this thing is fucking awful. First of all, the competition it has with Bronzong. There's exactly 2 things Scarf Rachi beats reliably that CB Zong doesn't (note the term reliably): Dragonite and Gyarados, and you need a fuckload of bulk to eat CB Gyaras EQ because TPunch definitely doesn't OHKO. That's pretty much the end of the list, but it's two relatively minor Pokemon given that they both have 1.5 sets and a readily abusable 4x weakness each. Why did I use the term reliably? Because, against half the tier, yes, technically you can win, but it requires a TON of flinches in most cases. Let's take a look at the upper ranks:<br />
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Cresselia: If it gets up Reflect you're up shit creek without a paddle. This is actually one of Jirachi's easier matchups just because Cresselia can't hurt you, meaning you probably get the full 24 PP. If you run out and Cresselia is alive, you lose. Trick can work, but Mail is getting quite common.

Rhyperior: Loss unless you use the bulkiest Jirachi in the world and flinch twice. You can tech GK, but given the fact that Rhyperior loses little from using Endure T1, that's a poor solution.

Heatran: Loss.

Infernape: Bulky Scarf ZH beats all non bulky Infernape reliably, but ZH is hard to fit on. Very likely loss without Zen.

Jirachi: -

Rotom: Extremely likely to lose to the best Rotom set (Bulky Specs Rotom-H). Needs too many flinches and Overheat cooks you. Other formes 2HKO with TBolt. Actually favored against Scarfed because TBolt doesnt 2hko and Scarf is really frail, but Scarf Rotom is also really bad.

Suicune: Trick beats non Mail, otherwise you need a crit with TPunch before you run out of PP, which isn't in your favor with Pressure. Mail is one of the only two items Suicune should carry, and dropping TP is an instant loss bar ZH luck.

Tyranitar: Actually not as much in Jirachi's favor as you'd think. 60% to flinch, and should you not, CB EQ OHKOs you. Beats non CB EQ/Counter TTar reliably.

Blissey: Counter OHKOs you and, again, Trick is a big gamble with the prevalence of Mail. Needs at least 2, if not 3 flinches (36 and 20% respectively.)

Celebi: Very reliant on the Celebi set. If you run Bulky Scarf, Scarf Celebi will probably outspeed you, but Scarf EP is quite rare. Needs 2 out of 3 flinches against bulky Specs which is certainly in Jirachis favor but hardly reliable.

Dragonite: Jirachi should win this every time.

Gengar: Jirachi should win this every time bar Scarf Gengar getting extremely lucky.

Metagross: Very unlikely for Jirachi to win, Gross is way too strong and bulky. EQ 2HKOs and CB can OHKO. Legitimately needs like 6 flinches.

Snorlax: Trick is risky because CB Lax is gonna smash you, and if you don't flinch Curse then it'll give you a hard time as well. I wanna say Jirachi is favored, but it definitely isn't a lot.

Zapdos: Bulky Specs is going to send you to hell with Heat Wave. IHead needs way too many flinches. If you can somehow EV for Heat Wave while 2HKOing with Ice Punch then you are approaching "safe" territory. Still sounds like a bad investment.

And keep in mind that this was only the top 3 ranks and Jirachi still barely has any good matchups that don't involve massive luck. Further down we get stuff like Swampert (resists IH with no good weakness to hit and has STAB EQ), Slaking (252+ needs 3 flinches every time and CB EQ OHKOs regardless of bulk), Torterra (lives IP and OHKOs with CB EQ), and a ton more. It just makes no sense to me. Of course, this only talks about ScarfRachi, but that is by far its most common set. You can run some weird lure sets, but why? Bronzong is a lot better at this unless you really need the speed because it can choose its matchups with two amazing abilities compared to (in a lure context) bad Serene Grace. Please move this trash down.

That's all for now! If you have any questions about anything I said, please let me know! DPP OU may be godawful, but I think DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun!
 
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High off my win this week, and (in my opinion) having a pretty good grasp on DPP 1v1 after following it, building for it, and playing it for a few months now, I figured I'd give some input.

First of all, some placements. I think Rhyperior and especially Cressellia are extremely overrated. Yeah, they're both still very good, and definitely require some very intricate counterplay, but the issue I have with them is that they are extremely easy to beat in the teambuilder with very little extra effort required. I think we can an all agree that both have one definite best set: SD Endure Custap for Rhyperior and Reflect CM for Cresselia. They're both good and beat a good deal of Pokemon. But again, they are extremely predictable and easy to tech for, and their other sets are about five times worse. Sure, you will catch something offguard with CB Rhyperior or TrickSpecs/Scarf once in a while, but that is hardly reliable, especially not with how common Mail is becoming. Compare that to the (in my opinion) best Pokemon in the tier, Suicune. Very good "main set", and even stuff that beats it "in the builder" is very prone to losing to techs, with SpDef and Wacan + Mirror Coat Suicune seeing use to beat Electrics. I think Suicune is the objective best because it can tailor itself to support the rest of your team instead of being stuck in one role a la Cress/Rhyp, and it can be tailor made to beat/lure pretty much anything.

Apart from that, there are some curious omissions: Torterra (probably the single best TTar/Rhyp check in the tier with some other obvious applications, such as beating CB DNite), Feraligatr (Literally beats the entirety of S and A+ minus Rotom and some strange TTar/Rachi sets, but they have to be quite specific), Raikou (How the fuck is Ampharos on there but not the mon that beats anything fat by itself and the one Electric that can halfway reliably beat ALL cune sets? Surely dumbass counter can't be that good). I also think Heracross and Hariyama should be a LOT higher given Machamps placement. I know that people love relying on luck a lot which I will get to in my next point, but Hariyama and Machamp are functionally very similar. One can luck slower mons and beats Gyarados, one beats CB Dragonite and Heatran. Heracross is a fighter with an extremely easy time against Suicune and Cresselia, and that also beats Grass types reliably, but loses to Rotom bar CB Night Slash vs Non Specs Overheat. There's definitely not this many subranks between these.

Lastly, the (to me) elephant in the room. Jirachi. This thing SUCKS. Now, I don't know if people just figure it's good here because it got banned in SM, but wow, this thing is fucking awful. First of all, the competition it has with Bronzong. There's exactly 2 things Scarf Rachi beats reliably that CB Zong doesn't (note the term reliably): Dragonite and Gyarados, and you need a fuckload of bulk to eat CB Gyaras EQ because TPunch definitely doesn't OHKO. That's pretty much the end of the list, but it's two relatively minor Pokemon given that they both have 1.5 sets and a readily abusable 4x weakness each. Why did I use the term reliably? Because, against half the tier, yes, technically you can win, but it requires a TON of flinches in most cases. Let's take a look at the upper ranks:<br />
<br />
Cresselia: If it gets up Reflect you're up shit creek without a paddle. This is actually one of Jirachi's easier matchups just because Cresselia can't hurt you, meaning you probably get the full 24 PP. If you run out and Cresselia is alive, you lose. Trick can work, but Mail is getting quite common.

Rhyperior: Loss unless you use the bulkiest Jirachi in the world and flinch twice. You can tech GK, but given the fact that Rhyperior loses little from using Endure T1, that's a poor solution.

Heatran: Loss.

Infernape: Bulky Scarf ZH beats all non bulky Infernape reliably, but ZH is hard to fit on. Very likely loss without Zen.

Jirachi: -

Rotom: Extremely likely to lose to the best Rotom set (Bulky Specs Rotom-H). Needs too many flinches and Overheat cooks you. Other formes 2HKO with TBolt. Actually favored against Scarfed because TBolt doesnt 2hko and Scarf is really frail, but Scarf Rotom is also really bad.

Suicune: Trick beats non Mail, otherwise you need a crit with TPunch before you run out of PP, which isn't in your favor with Pressure. Mail is one of the only two items Suicune should carry, and dropping TP is an instant loss bar ZH luck.

Tyranitar: Actually not as much in Jirachi's favor as you'd think. 60% to flinch, and should you not, CB EQ OHKOs you. Beats non CB EQ/Counter TTar reliably.

Blissey: Counter OHKOs you and, again, Trick is a big gamble with the prevalence of Mail. Needs at least 2, if not 3 flinches (36 and 20% respectively.)

Celebi: Very reliant on the Celebi set. If you run Bulky Scarf, Scarf Celebi will probably outspeed you, but Scarf EP is quite rare. Needs 2 out of 3 flinches against bulky Specs which is certainly in Jirachis favor but hardly reliable.

Dragonite: Jirachi should win this every time.

Gengar: Jirachi should win this every time bar Scarf Gengar getting extremely lucky.

Metagross: Very unlikely for Jirachi to win, Gross is way too strong and bulky. EQ 2HKOs and CB can OHKO. Legitimately needs like 6 flinches.

Snorlax: Trick is risky because CB Lax is gonna smash you, and if you don't flinch Curse then it'll give you a hard time as well. I wanna say Jirachi is favored, but it definitely isn't a lot.

Zapdos: Bulky Specs is going to send you to hell with Heat Wave. IHead needs way too many flinches. If you can somehow EV for Heat Wave while 2HKOing with Ice Punch then you are approaching "safe" territory. Still sounds like a bad investment.

And keep in mind that this was only the top 3 ranks and Jirachi still barely has any good matchups that don't involve massive luck. Further down we get stuff like Swampert (resists IH with no good weakness to hit and has STAB EQ), Slaking (252+ needs 3 flinches every time and CB EQ OHKOs regardless of bulk), Torterra (lives IP and OHKOs with CB EQ), and a ton more. It just makes no sense to me. Of course, this only talks about ScarfRachi, but that is by far its most common set. You can run some weird lure sets, but why? Bronzong is a lot better at this unless you really need the speed because it can choose its matchups with two amazing abilities compared to (in a lure context) bad Serene Grace. Please move this trash down.

That's all for now! If you have any questions about anything I said, please let me know! DPP OU may be godawful, but I think DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun!
Well first off I agree DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun. I also fully agree torterra is really good. As for raikou, Dom nommed it to a- a while ago and we never objected so ig dom forgot to put it in. Torterra was nommed for c but tbh I feel like it's better than c. I'll bring it up to the VR team. I also agree Suicune is so good. I think it could be an s rank mon. I'll bring it up also. I'll also bring up ranking Feraligatr. However, I disagree about cress and rhyperior not being worthy of s rank. Cress is insanely bulky and there aren't very many viable mons (mainly bug/dark/ghost/swords dance/metal sound) that can beat it. Rhyperior has a super high attack stat + 150 bp attack + swords dance + solid rock. It's pretty def bulky and can just endure vs special atttacks. It beats a lot of the meta and is really good. Keep in mind that just because a mon has one set that doesn't mean it's bad. Lastly, I see your point about jirachi, but I'd like to say that special attacker jirachi is also viable, as well as cosmic power wish/rest. Now even with that said, I still agree with moving it down from a+. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the VR. :)
 
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Well first off I agree DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun. I also fully agree torterra is really good. As for raikou, Dom nommed it to a- a while ago and we never objected so ig dom forgot to put it in. Torterra was nommed for c but tbh I feel like it's better than c. I'll bring it up to the VR team. I also agree Suicune is so good. I think it could be an s rank mon. I'll bring it up also. I'll also bring up ranking Feraligatr. However, I disagree about cress and rhyperior not being worthy of s rank. Cress is insanely bulky and there aren't very many viable mons (mainly bug/dark/ghost/swords dance/metal sound) that can beat it. Rhyperior has a super high attack stat + 150 bp attack + swords dance + solid rock. It's pretty def bulky and can just endure vs special atttacks. It beats a lot of the meta and is really good. Keep in mind that just because a mon has one set that doesn't mean it's bad. Lastly, I see your point about jirachi, but I'd like to say that special attacker jirachi is also viable, as well as cosmic power wish/rest. Now even with that said, I still agree with moving it down from a+. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the VR. :)
I'm fine with Cresselia and Rhyperior in S. I do think they're super good and super usable, but I also think being predictable is usually something you want to avoid. That's less of a thing against those two and more of a thing in Suicune's favor, though, so if we can move Cune up with them I'm a-ok with this!

Good to see that Tort/Raikou weren't forgotten about completely. I think they're pretty good (especially Raikou, which has odds to beat Cresselia because Pressure means it has 8 PP and even if you never crit you will far outlast the standard CM/Moonlight/Reflect set, and just straight up beats Cune/Bliss really), and Feraligatr is pretty good too. Hard to find something that's good vs Cress/Cune/Bliss while not getting blown up by Rhyp/DNite.

Special/Lure Jirachi seems _ok_ but I have never seen it and I honestly think even then Bronzong gives it some massive competition unless you really need Thunderbolt + Speed because Levitate is SO GOOD. You lose a few SAtk points and gain a little bit of bulk, but those are still pretty similar. As for a stally kinda set, I think Bronzong completely outclasses Jirachi for that with CM/ID/Flash Cannon/Rest. Boosts defense faster against stuff like Dragonite and, again, I don't think giving up Levitate is like ever worth it. As you said yourself, Rhyperior is pretty damn good, and Bronzong is one of its best checks with the right set!

Thanks for the reply! Seems like we can agree on most stuff at least.
 

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BW Whimsicott A --> A+/S
BW Jumpluff A --> A-

Whimsicott is nasty. Basically the best seedstaller in the game. Access to prankster taunt, before pranskter was nerfed. Trick isn't a real counterplay option, as Whimsicott can protect and sub common choice scarf users, a luxury Jumpluff does not share. Mega Evolutions and z moves aren't a thing, meaning that power creep is low enough to allow whimsicott to be able live at least one attack. Fairy type also isn't a thing, meaning that that Poison isn't as bad of a problem, allowing it to bop garchomp. The lack of Z moves in particular have nerfed flying types, and unless you have been rewarded with the coveted brave bird, the moves youll have to rely on are Hurricane and fly. ech. Also has access to Grasswhistle and can beat Pokemon it really shouldn’t like Choice Band Kyub,Choice Band Metagross, and Choiced Victini by fishing for confusion, fishing for misses, or getting a double protect and pp stalling 8 PP moves. In conclusion, its not beaten by Taunt, Substitute, Trick, opposing recover moves, most super effective moves, Dark-types, or sound based moves. Got both rank 1 and 2 with one whimsicott centric team

Meanwhile, we have Jumpluff. The only advantage it has is high speed sleep. Which, in this metagame not centered around bulky offense, instead around stall or hyper offense, really isn't an advantage to a mon like Whimsicott, that can already beat stall and live moves from hyper offense. Jumpluff also does not have access to either Taunt or Prankster, with a nerfed/unbuffed Infiltrator ability making it now beaten by not only taunt users but also sub users. Jumpluff also maintains the 4x weakness it currently has in the current meta, making it susceptible to both Scarf Kyub and Jirachi, which Whimsicott beats both. It also will be beaten by Trick Choice Scarf users, which Whimsicott doesn't need to care about. Looking down VR, i see no mon that Jumpluff would be better for than whimsicott, besides some very hard hitter like Choice Band Kyub and Choice Band Metagross.

Final thoughts:
Jumpluff is like the gen 7 Golem to Whimsicott's Donphan.
 
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After 1v1PL, I feel like I have a great grasp on the current BW 1v1 metagame and feel like I could drop my 2 cents in on how I feel about the current including some VR nominations.
In my opinion, Whimsicott is the best pokemon in BW 1v1 with the ability to leech seed just about any Pokemon barring Grass types and Magic Bounce Users. Some of Whimsicott's best "counters" can be stopped with a certain weakness berry like Occa and Yache. Honestly could see this thing going to S rank since its such a nuisance to many of my builds and many others as well. Other top pokemon like Kyurem Black and Porygon-Z are still great in the meta and have enough viable checks/counters to be not be broken or anything of the sort. Victini is criminally underrated with Banded V-create and Fusion Bolt being such a great combination. Also, Conkeldurr isnt ranked at all lol but it is the bulkiest Fighting type in the tier and with its monstrous 140 attack it can viably run sets like Fighting Gem or Choice Band with little to no precautions. I feel Pokemon like Reuniclus and Jellicent should be used much more to have such a high ranking on VR even if they are great Pokemon in the meta imo. I also feel like Landorus-Therian and Alakazam could drop a rank or two since these pokemon arent the greatest in the current meta with pokemon like Kyurem Black, Meloetta, and Genesect all running around right now. Suicune could also use a rise with sets like Sub+Protect or Sub+Calm Mind giving slower teams alot of trouble if they don't prepare for it. I can also say the same thing for Meloetta, the Pokemon is so bulky and can live about any hit (even Super Effective attacks from Powerful Pokemon like Specs Volcarona) and return a powerful attack like Specs Hyper Beam or Psychic. In my opinion, this entire VR needs to be renovated because its out of touch with the current meta which, i wouldnt mind doing.
 
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After 1v1PL, I feel like I have a great grasp on the current BW 1v1 metagame and feel like I could drop my 2 cents in on how I feel about the current including some VR nominations.
In my opinion, Whimsicott is the best pokemon in BW 1v1 with the ability to leech seed just about any Pokemon barring Grass types and Magic Bounce Users. Some of Whimsicott's best "counters" can be stopped with a certain weakness berry like Occa and Yache. Honestly could see this thing going to S rank since its such a nuisance to many of my builds and many others as well. Other top pokemon like Kyurem Black and Porygon-Z are still great in the meta and have enough viable checks/counters to be not be broken or anything of the sort. Victini is criminally underrated with Banded V-create and Fusion Bolt being such a great combination. Also, Conkeldurr isnt ranked at all lol but it is the bulkiest Fighting type in the tier and with its monstrous 140 attack it can viably run sets like Fighting Gem or Choice Band with little to no precautions. I feel Pokemon like Reuniclus and Jellicent should be used much more to have such a high ranking on VR even if they are great Pokemon in the meta imo. I also feel like Landorus-Therian and Alakazam could drop a rank or two since these pokemon arent the greatest in the current meta with pokemon like Kyurem Black, Meloetta, and Genesect all running around right now. Suicune could also use a rise with sets like Sub+Protect or Sub+Calm Mind giving slower teams alot of trouble if they don't prepare for it. I can also say the same thing for Meloetta, the Pokemon is so bulky and can live about any hit (even Super Effective attacks from Powerful Pokemon like Specs Volcarona) and return a powerful attack like Specs Hyper Beam or Psychic. In my opinion, this entire VR needs to be renovated because its out of touch with the current meta which, i wouldnt mind doing.
can you like, actually make a definitive claim or statement of any sort? you ramble a ton about possible changes of the vr but if you want the vr to change you should nominate pokemon to move. that's how VRs work. nominate a pokemon to a rank and explain why, specifically.
BW Whimsicott A --> A+/S
BW Jumpluff A --> A-

Whimsicott is nasty. Basically the best seedstaller in the game. Access to prankster taunt, before pranskter was nerfed. Trick isn't a real counterplay option, as Whimsicott can protect and sub common choice scarf users, a luxury Jumpluff does not share. Mega Evolutions and z moves aren't a thing, meaning that power creep is low enough to allow whimsicott to be able live at least one attack. Fairy type also isn't a thing, meaning that that Poison isn't as bad of a problem, allowing it to bop garchomp. The lack of Z moves in particular have nerfed flying types, and unless you have been rewarded with the coveted brave bird, the moves youll have to rely on are Hurricane and fly. ech. Also has access to Grasswhistle and can beat Pokemon it really shouldn’t like Choice Band Kyub,Choice Band Metagross, and Choiced Victini by fishing for confusion, fishing for misses, or getting a double protect and pp stalling 8 PP moves. In conclusion, its not beaten by Taunt, Substitute, Trick, opposing recover moves, most super effective moves, Dark-types, or sound based moves. Got both rank 1 and 2 with one whimsicott centric team

Meanwhile, we have Jumpluff. The only advantage it has is high speed sleep. Which, in this metagame not centered around bulky offense, instead around stall or hyper offense, really isn't an advantage to a mon like Whimsicott, that can already beat stall and live moves from hyper offense. Jumpluff also does not have access to either Taunt or Prankster, with a nerfed/unbuffed Infiltrator ability making it now beaten by not only taunt users but also sub users. Jumpluff also maintains the 4x weakness it currently has in the current meta, making it susceptible to both Scarf Kyub and Jirachi, which Whimsicott beats both. It also will be beaten by Trick Choice Scarf users, which Whimsicott doesn't need to care about. Looking down VR, i see no mon that Jumpluff would be better for than whimsicott, besides some very hard hitter like Choice Band Kyub and Choice Band Metagross.

Final thoughts:
Jumpluff is like the gen 7 Golem to Whimsicott's Donphan.
pluff is fine for now, whims is a+.


if you guys think whims is suspect worthy in bw, post about it here. best time is now with the ladder, can have a ladder suspect

also will get adv 1v1 vr on the way. oras 1v1 vr changes too.
 
Aight no one else did it yet so I'm gonna call for a suspect on Whimsicott in BW. \

Let's just look at the VR:
Out of every mon on there from S to B-, the only mons that can consistently beat whimsi through a yache or occa berry are:
Genesect
Gengar
Volcarona
Ferrothorn
Breloom
Celebi
Victini*
Durant
Landorus-I
Scizor
Shaymin
Venusaur
Virizion

That's out of 65 mons. In addition to this, with other berries whimsi can manage to beat the mons that use poison and bug type attacks on this list. That leaves the only real counter as grass types (for the most part). This leads to an overcentralization of the metagame. In addition to this, whimsi even has moves that hit grass types and sleep in the form of grasswhistle. This thing is busted and really should be suspected.
 

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