Metagame 1v1 Old Gens

[bo_bobson27]

SS 1v1 Set Compendium 4.3 is here!
https://pokepast.es/328e0f570184fbfd

Changelog (Long)

Additions

• Mental Herb Celesteela
• ID Wiki Fini
• Fast Stall Cress
• Wisp DD Pult
• Defensive LO Landot
• BU Jaboca Landot
• Scarf Landot
• Fast Band Regidrago
• Dragon Fang Regidrago
• LO Spectrier
• Bulky LO Urshifu Rapid
• Subversal Urshifu
• Specs Heatran
• Helmet Moltg
• WP Steelix
• Spd Stall Chansey
• LO Glastrier
• WP Ninetales
• Balloon Aegi
• Helmet Clefable
• Spd Stall Gastrodon
• Specs Celebi
• LO and Scarf Mamoswine
• Specs Keldeo
• Balloon Toxapex
• Sitrus Torkoal
• LO Zygarde

Removals

• LO Regidrago
• Occa Metagross
• WP Moltg
• Scarf Naganadel
• LO Eleki
• WP Tyranitar
• AV Mamoswine
• Chilan Quagsire
• Encore Petaya Blacephalon
• Scizor
• Bellossom

Tweaks

• Mental Herb Togekiss EVs
• LO Zeraora EVs
• Renamed Anti-Metagross Celesteela to Standard Occa
• Standard Occa Celesteela EVs
• Sitrus Steela EVs
• Band Dragapult natures and slashes
• Renamed Wisp Hex Dragapult to Wisp Disable
• Wisp Disable Dragapult EVs
• Curse Dragapult EVs and slashes
• Scarf Fini slashes
• Reworked WP Fini
• Stall Azumarill Lefties over Sitrus
• Band Azumarill EVs and slashes
• AV Azumarill EVs and slashes
• LO Garchomp EVs and slashes
• Haban Garchomp slashes
• Band Landot renamed to Fast Band
• Fast Band Landot slashes and natures
• Anti-Fairy Band Landot renamed to Bulky Band
• Bulky Band Landot EVs and slashes
• LO Landot renamed to Offensive LO
• Lum Landot EVs
• Reworked AV Landot
• AV Regidrago EVs
• Renamed Band Regidrago to Bulky Band
• Specs Sylveon slashes
• Standard Seed Koko slashes
• Scarf, Band, and AV Urshifu coverage moves
• Fast Chople Shifu EVs
• Renamed Anti-Rilla Specs Volcanion to Specs
• Specs Volcanion EVs and moves
• Shell Smash Crustle Natures
• Custap Haxorus slashes
• LO Zapdos EVs and slashes
• Scarf Dracovish EVs
• Counter AV Goodra abilities
• Custap Heatran EVs and slashes
• Offensive Haban Kyurem EVs and slashes
• WP Kyurem EVs
• AV Moltg EVs
• Reworked LO Rillaboom
• ID Steelix items
• AV Ttar EVs and slashes
• SubSeed Venusaur items
• Custap Venusaur slashes
• AV Zarude slashes
• Band Aggron slashes
• Renamed Stall Chansey to Def Stall
• Def Stall Chansey slashes
• Scarf zolt EVs
• Custap zolt EVs
• Band Glastrier EVs and slashes
• Custap Glastrier EVs
• Babiri Whims EVs
• Haban Kommo-o EVs
• Reworked WP Aegi
• Split LO Aegi into Physical and Special
• Reworked LO Nidoking, and renamed it to Mixed LO
• Band Buzzwole EVs
• Carracosta EVs and slashes
• WP and Chople Incineroar EVs
• Reworked LO Ninetales
• Specs Ninetales EVs
• EncoreDisable Alolatales EVs
• EncoreDisable Salazzle EVs and slashes
• LO Gengar EVs and slashes
• Band Gyarados slashes
• Band Mamoswine slashes
• Alolawak EVs
• Raboot EVs
• Band Seismitoad EVs
• Anti-Haxorus Band Krook renamed to Band
• Regirock Slashes
• Reuniclus EVs
• Haban Salamence EVs
• Toxtricity EVs

 

[Urfgurgle]

ADV 1v1 Update (Finally)

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Howdy folks, Urfgurgle here with a long-overdue ADV 1v1 update! First off, I am now co-leader of the tier, so I’ll be releasing updates whenever LRXC is busy (as is the case now). Anyway, here are the changes to our resources:

Updated Sets Comp: https://pokepast.es/dafdbebf4471e1e1

Set Descriptions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_M3jOu7fwb25JBXdUyb4g0yDAAkMYCdX5yAkfMhDYas/edit?usp=sharing

This is a set descriptions doc akin to the SWSH EV doc we all know and love. I want to give a huge thanks to Opchurtle100, deddd, delemon, and all the other contributors who made this thing happen. It's still something of a work-in-progress, but it should generally give you a good idea of what all the sets are meant to do.

VR Update

S Rank
Raikou

A+ Rank
Blissey
Heracross
Marowak
Salamence
Sceptile

A Rank
Alakazam
Kingdra
Metagross
Registeel
Swampert
Tauros
Vaporeon

A- Rank
Celebi
Charizard
Gyarados
Moltres
Regice
Starmie
Tyranitar
Ursaring

B+ Rank
Arcanine
Entei
Hariyama
Jirachi
Ludicolo
Machamp
Walrein

B Rank
Aerodactyl
Armaldo
Dragonite
Regirock
Venusaur

B- Rank
Blastoise
Blaziken
Dodrio
Dusclops
Gengar
Houndoom
Medicham
Scizor

C+ Rank
Cradily
Grumpig
Jumpluff
Meganium
Milotic
Miltank

C Rank
Articuno
Jolteon
Kecleon
Porygon2
Shedinja
Slowbro
Typhlosion

C- Rank
Claydol
Crobat
Flygon
Illumise
Jynx
Kangaskhan
Poliwrath
Rhydon
Scyther
Skarmory
Steelix
Swalot
Vigoroth
Wailord
Wobbuffet


With Zapdos gone and the dust settled, a lot has changed. Most notably, Raikou has become the undisputed king of the tier. Here are all the changes since the last iteration of the VR:

Rises

Raikou: A+ -> S
Heracross: A -> A+
Blissey: A- -> A+
Swampert: A- -> A
Tauros: A- -> A
Vaporeon: A- -> A
Kingdra: B+ -> A
Celebi: B+ -> A-
Gyarados: B+ -> A-
Jirachi: B -> B+
Ludicolo: B -> B+
Walrein: B -> B+
Moltres: B- -> A-
Hariyama: B- -> B+
Armaldo: B- -> B
Arcanine: C+ -> B+
Dragonite: C+ -> B
Dodrio: C+ -> B-
Scizor: C+ -> B-
Grumpig: C -> C+
Meganium: C -> C+
Cradily: UR -> C+
Articuno: UR -> C
Claydol: UR -> C-
Swalot: UR -> C-
Vigoroth: UR -> C-
Wailord: UR -> C-
Wobbuffet: UR -> C-

Drops

Registeel: S -> A
Sceptile: S- -> A+
Tyranitar: A+ -> A-
Regice A -> A-
Blastoise: B+ -> B-
Dusclops: B+ -> B-
Regirock: B+ -> B
Houndoom: B+ -> B-
Gengar: B -> B-
Miltank: B- -> C+
Jumpluff: B- -> C+
Kecleon: C+ -> C
Lunatone: C+ -> UR
Flygon: C -> C-
Skarmory: C -> C-
Togetic: C- -> UR
Hypno: C- -> UR


VR Voting Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UbE3DBVsIImcdIEG78OWGdODgi5Rdjxck56YafMY-rI/edit?usp=sharing

Sample Teams

We will be trying to get more sample teams out in the future (submissions are always open!), but for now we have these three:


Sombrero Underground by Urfgurgle


Hungryfoodies 2 by Opchurtle100


Won ggs by deddd

And that’s everything. The main resources post will be updated soon. Thanks for reading and have a nice day!

 

[smely socks]

gm, Sword and Shield maintenance

Council updates: Nalei, Rosa, Here Comes Team Charm!, and Murman have all moved on to SV. In their place we have added zioziotrip, bo_bobson27, and ncalathes

VR update:

Drops

Zeraora dropped from S- to A+
Aromatisse dropped from A to A-
Urshifu-R dropped from A to A-
Zarude dropped from B+ to B
Avalugg dropped from B to B-
Corsola-Galar dropped from B to B-
Sawk dropped from B to B-
Pheromosa dropped from B to B-
Whimsicott dropped from B to B-
Hydreigon dropped from B- to C+
Nidoking dropped from C+ to C
Suicune dropped from C+ to C
Type:Null dropped from C+ to C
Blissey dropped from C to C-
Incineroar dropped from C- to D
Latios dropped from C- to D
Raboot dropped from C- to D
Chandelure dropped from D to unranked
Escavalier dropped from D to unranked
Golisopod dropped from D to unranked
Regirock dropped from D to unranked
Shedinja dropped from D to unranked (thank god)
Skarmory dropped from D to unranked
Talonflame dropped from D to unranked
Weavile dropped from D to unranked

Rises

Ferrothorn rose from A- to A
Tapu Bulu rose from A- to A
Corviknight rose from B+ to A-
Kyurem rose from B+ to A-
Moltres-G rose from B+ to A-
Gardevoir rose from B to B+
Swampert rose from B- to B
Aegislash rose from C+ to B-
Buzzwole rose from C to C+
Thundurus rose from unranked to D
Vileplume rose from unranked to D

All of these should be reflected in the resources post. Regarding tiering don't expect anything anytime soon because the tier is pretty balanced as is. There's also a decent chance I missed something with all these changes so if I did feel free to yell at me.

gn

 

[Jabiru]

Shedinja dropped from D to unranked (thank god)

I'm using my one post every 3 months quota to nom Shedinja to D,

Aight so as we all know I care approximately one iota about SS, so it has to be a pretty important issue for me to be making a post in this thread. With that said, I would like to voice my unequivocal support for seeing Shedinja ranked on the VR. I don't think anyone is ever gonna argue its a top threat or even anything remotely close to it, but I think people treat it inherently differently to any other mon, and this is reflected in both in game play and in ranking discussion.

The first point I'd like to touch on is this:

However, the mon itself is way too inconsistent to be rankable. ... Overall it can work but it's inconsistency makes it something to keep unranked, at least to me.

(I don't mean to call out murman here in particular, especially because he touches on other points but it fits my narrative so I'm rolling with it)
This is an idea I see a lot in general when it comes to discussion of Shedinja, and whilst I agree with the key idea that Shedinja is an inherently risky pokemon and provides you with almost 0 matchup clarity, I disagree with the conclusion that this alone is enough . The discussion has to be around whether the payoff for that risk is sufficient to see it ranked, even as low as D. And just to hammer this point home, I'd like to highlight another pokemon that faces similar issues but has seen notably different treatment. Slaking is ranked (or banned) in every generation of 1v1 in which it exists, despite being almost as easy to tech as Shedinja (Slaking does have alternative options in DPP and to a lesser extent BW, but for the most part is entirely shut down by protect). Yet even despite this we see semi-regular employment of Slaking in tournament play, because it can catch teams unaware and matchup fish to great effect.

Now I do not care remotely enough about SS to do full matchups for a mon being nommed to D tier, but the matchups it can win are by no means irrelevant. You're looking at like half the A range mons having relevant sets with 0 threat to Shedinja. Though I would say notably in the SS metagame, is its matchups into Sylveon, Regidrago and Fini, now unless you're psychotic enough to consider band Regidrago's best set, you're looking at beating 3 of the most defining forces in the metagame's best sets, and realistically you're beating most all variants of these mons. The idea that its completely outclassed by the pokemon in D tier is laughable (Just for the record, D tier puts it alongside mons like Torkoal, Excadrill and Golisopod. One of which hasn't been relevant since Mew got banned, another which hasn't been relevant since Mimikyu got banned in SM, and the last which has quite literally never been relevant.)

Like it or not, Shedinja is a relevant threat in the 1v1 metagame and I think there comes a point where you have to stop looking solely at its potential to lose but also consider its potential to win. Especially in a tours setting, Shedinja is a genuine tool in teambuilding, at least as much as the mons that would be alongside it, if the nom to D tier goes ahead.

 

[DEG]

I keep getting tagged and stuff about Charizardite Y but I haven't changed my mind, Charizardite Y isn't worth a ban and should not be banned. However, I've thought about the issue and the state of the metagame more and I've come into the conclusion that both Charizard Mega X and Mew should be banned. I also wouldn't mind an outright ban on both Charizards as a whole.

I still don't understand what's the fuss about Charizardite Y, it ability to flinch with an Air Slash and the fact that Rock Tomb isn't really something concrete and that's all people like to highlight when talking about that Pokemon. Flinch and miss chances are a part of the game, and many Pokemon can hax through their usual checks. Charizardite Y has a glarring typing weakness and it's a one-trick-pony, honestly, I have never been afraid of that Pokemon in the builder. However, Charizard-X is the behemoth that people need to give extra respect in the builder and in-game. Its typing is amazing and so much different than regular charizard typing which makes a lot of Pokemon be forced into mega evo guess ontop of which mega zard it is. It has a fantastic movepool that is actually abusable, it can be max atk offensive, def offensive, spdf offensive, it can even run max def counter, and has a lot of variations in moves; bdrum, sd, flame charge, counter, eq, brick break.. which allows it to pick what it wants to check. Its moveset being undiscernible at preview makes it even more broken than Y.

I do agree Zard X has more opportunity cost, and one of the reasons I don't think/didn't think both zard should be restricted/banned is because they have a lot of common checks that are actually being well integrated in the meta - TTar, Mega Gyarados (can lose to impish wisp zard x not y l0l!!), diancie, malt, garchomp, lati@s, heatran, greninja... are all on the safe side of checks. As long as you don't repeat the same check, zards will have a problem teching them. But what I found actually annoying in current meta ORAS isn't Zard as a whole but Zard with the other popular threats in the meta that can rend these checks actually useless - mentioning here manaphy, mew, maw, gard... so as a whole the meta revolving around zard is pretty unhealthy.

Banning Charizardite X is actually the logical answer honestly as it is the most restricting Pokemon between the two forms. Rocks are afraid to click moves due to counter, physical mons are afraid to be sent in due to wisp, and blitz+outrage are 100% accurate, and it forces many guess in-game and on preview. Charizardite Y ban is such a mickey option as the mon doesn't really have that IT factor, it's probably one of the easier mon to check. That is the logical thing to do. But imo, looking more in the future - I do believe that both Charizard should be banned at the same time. Banning X or Y alone isn't really changing anything in the meta. Banning X still means zard y + mana/mew/gard/steels... terrorize the meta and is annoying to check or play around. Banning Y alone means that nothing is fixed - X is still King and can bend itself as it wishes - it can beat dos ttar, can counter the terrakion and dnite, can burn the sawk, can sd on the chansey etc... My final opinion is that we should ban both zards.

b-b-b-buuuut deggg! Mah manaphy and victini broken!!!! That's just speculation and it's uncalled for but imo I can delve you more into MY speculation. Bold prediction - Manaphy will not be broken, Victini might not be broken but it depends on how Vic+Mana meta plays. Vic can check many mons and can also adapt freely but I believe it will still have lot of counters like bro, mana, lati@s, ttar, diancie and some others I prob forgot. Without Zard, Manaphy check are more free - gard, sylveon, hoopa, meloetta, pz (i think its a 5050), magnezone, serperior, new electric entrants should keep it at bay. The only thing I'm afraid of is Mana+Vic cores sending us to the same meta that zard shaped but if that's the case - Victini would be the culprit.

Also when Zard leaves, Mew also has to go. It's kinda insane now even w/ zard, the stall set alone can deal with a bunch of offensive mons but when u throw in offensive mew, scarf, band, and more it becomes a pain to deal w/ - like ttar, sect, gard aren't "checks" anymore.

The road to save ORAS is clear - Ban Charizardite X, Y and Mew, then monitor Victini.

 

[SuperMemeBroz]

I didn’t know where else to post it but considering this is a post talking about classic vii, this felt the most appropriate. I am here to make my fucking presence known again after not playing for half a year and come to discuss the future of old generation is classic tournaments.

First of all, having a selim format for the retro generations (which I assume will be 1-4 maybe) is fucking asinine to me. Why? Well I will always stand by and say pure single elimination tournaments weren’t really meant for a format like 1v1, next, these are generations where crits hit harder and they happen more often. You saw how everyone complained about dpp for years for due to how hax filled it is and how the meta was for a while. You saw how adv LT ended being finals with a guy who haxed his way to finals and quite literally robbed Logan out of $100. To fix this issue, just have a format that doesn’t reward hax as much as single elimination in my opinion.


Another gripe I have is combining the two tours into classic playoffs. We all know everyone is going to touch ss-bw, and will keep their hands off of dpp-rby. By that logic, someone can perform mid in 8 fucking cups and get into poffs easily and poffs would seem mickey. Maybe separate the two and have the the retro tour be it’s own thing probably I’d say.

tldr, selim is ass in old gens with crits more often to happen, can’t prove me wrong otherwise

 

[Potatochan]

I keep getting tagged and stuff about Charizardite Y but I haven't changed my mind, Charizardite Y isn't worth a ban and should not be banned. However, I've thought about the issue and the state of the metagame more and I've come into the conclusion that both Charizard Mega X and Mew should be banned. I also wouldn't mind an outright ban on both Charizards as a whole.

I still don't understand what's the fuss about Charizardite Y, it ability to flinch with an Air Slash and the fact that Rock Tomb isn't really something concrete and that's all people like to highlight when talking about that Pokemon. Flinch and miss chances are a part of the game, and many Pokemon can hax through their usual checks. Charizardite Y has a glarring typing weakness and it's a one-trick-pony, honestly, I have never been afraid of that Pokemon in the builder. However, Charizard-X is the behemoth that people need to give extra respect in the builder and in-game. Its typing is amazing and so much different than regular charizard typing which makes a lot of Pokemon be forced into mega evo guess ontop of which mega zard it is. It has a fantastic movepool that is actually abusable, it can be max atk offensive, def offensive, spdf offensive, it can even run max def counter, and has a lot of variations in moves; bdrum, sd, flame charge, counter, eq, brick break.. which allows it to pick what it wants to check. Its moveset being undiscernible at preview makes it even more broken than Y.

I do agree Zard X has more opportunity cost, and one of the reasons I don't think/didn't think both zard should be restricted/banned is because they have a lot of common checks that are actually being well integrated in the meta - TTar, Mega Gyarados (can lose to impish wisp zard x not y l0l!!), diancie, malt, garchomp, lati@s, heatran, greninja... are all on the safe side of checks. As long as you don't repeat the same check, zards will have a problem teching them. But what I found actually annoying in current meta ORAS isn't Zard as a whole but Zard with the other popular threats in the meta that can rend these checks actually useless - mentioning here manaphy, mew, maw, gard... so as a whole the meta revolving around zard is pretty unhealthy.

Banning Charizardite X is actually the logical answer honestly as it is the most restricting Pokemon between the two forms. Rocks are afraid to click moves due to counter, physical mons are afraid to be sent in due to wisp, and blitz+outrage are 100% accurate, and it forces many guess in-game and on preview. Charizardite Y ban is such a mickey option as the mon doesn't really have that IT factor, it's probably one of the easier mon to check. That is the logical thing to do. But imo, looking more in the future - I do believe that both Charizard should be banned at the same time. Banning X or Y alone isn't really changing anything in the meta. Banning X still means zard y + mana/mew/gard/steels... terrorize the meta and is annoying to check or play around. Banning Y alone means that nothing is fixed - X is still King and can bend itself as it wishes - it can beat dos ttar, can counter the terrakion and dnite, can burn the sawk, can sd on the chansey etc... My final opinion is that we should ban both zards.

b-b-b-buuuut deggg! Mah manaphy and victini broken!!!! That's just speculation and it's uncalled for but imo I can delve you more into MY speculation. Bold prediction - Manaphy will not be broken, Victini might not be broken but it depends on how Vic+Mana meta plays. Vic can check many mons and can also adapt freely but I believe it will still have lot of counters like bro, mana, lati@s, ttar, diancie and some others I prob forgot. Without Zard, Manaphy check are more free - gard, sylveon, hoopa, meloetta, pz (i think its a 5050), magnezone, serperior, new electric entrants should keep it at bay. The only thing I'm afraid of is Mana+Vic cores sending us to the same meta that zard shaped but if that's the case - Victini would be the culprit.

Also when Zard leaves, Mew also has to go. It's kinda insane now even w/ zard, the stall set alone can deal with a bunch of offensive mons but when u throw in offensive mew, scarf, band, and more it becomes a pain to deal w/ - like ttar, sect, gard aren't "checks" anymore.

The road to save ORAS is clear - Ban Charizardite X, Y and Mew, then monitor Victini.

I don’t think the argument with Zard Y is that its broken, but rather unhealthy. Banning Zard X—the main centralizing force of ORAS—would likely have disastrous effects on the metagame. Thus, banning Zard Y appears to be an appealing alternative option, nerfing Zard X by no longer allowing it to bluff such a massive special nuke. As you mentioned, Zard Y doesn’t tend to be a huge consideration in the builder (moreso in playing) and as such its removal would have a far less problematic effect on the metagame.

I think people see arguments about banning anything other than the best pokemon of any tier in its entirety and go red in the eyes, saying “wahhhh but tiering policy!! you can’t ban zard y if its not BROKEN,” but yes… you can.

Tiering policy defines the term Unhealthy as follows:
“These are elements that may not limit either team building or battling skill enough individually but combine to cause an effect that is undesirable for the metagame.
This can also be a state of the metagame. If the metagame has too much diversity wherein team building ability is greatly hampered and battling skill is drastically reduced, we may seek to reduce the number of good-to-great threats.”

In ORAS, trying to fit a “fire check” can be a daunting task. Rock types are the only real reliable answer, considering the many viable sets of both Zard forms + Victini. Removing Zard Y serves to diminish the diversity of fire types, allowing mons such as Stall Manaphy and Slowbro to serve as more reliable fire checks. Even certain Rock types such as Rhyperior appreciate not having to risk an Air Slash flinch as AV or playing 50/50s as Custap. ORAS almost has a weird RPS going on between Fires, Fire checks (Rocks, Dragons) and Steels. Nerfing the diversity of Fires by banning Zard Y serves to allow the Fire checks to diversify themselves and break this RPS.

Now, I’m personally of the opinion that ORAS needs no tiering action and people should l2p, but if we insist on taking action, then I believe banning Zard Y to be a very viable one. I’ll leave someone else to argue why we should keep Zard X, probably crucify thanks.

 

[zioziotrip]

ban zardy or ban nothing.

zardy ban is the smoothest way to free up the builder without drastically changing the tier. zardy without x is simply not a centralizing mon and while some may point to this as a good thing, you need something to centralize the tier. zardx in a vacuum is an incredibly strong mon restricted to only using physical moves and it’s pretty reliant on its stab making it pretty easy to tech and account for on its own, zardy ruins this. solo zardx is the optimal way to centralize the tier without completely disrupting everything.

the consequences of a zardx ban are too catastrophic to seriously consider unless we want to play oras uu 1v1 in a few months time, which imo, is way worse than the current state of the tier.

all this mew talk feels like throwing darts at a board to identify the issue. it’s the same mana discussion from after pl where a previously linear mon gets explored but then a few months down the line it cements itself as not actually that problematic.

I was gonna rant about how I don’t find the tier’s current state to be bad or uncompetitive but that’s ultimately my personal taste. My point is still oras doesn’t need to be “saved” we shouldn’t make half-assed attempts to change it.

bonus

 

[crucify]

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After a year of 50% zard usage, arguing in circles on discord, claiming rock types are viable, and flinching people with mega charizard y air slash, the oras 1v1 council has voted to suspect charizard in oras 1v1. The reasons behind this have been discussed countless times, so I won't here. With how playerbase/community discord has been recently, a ban on Charizardite Y gained substantial support, but with support still existing for a ban on Charizardite X, we used a ranked choice voting method to determine what, if anything, should be suspected.

Results of Council Vote

So while zardy got a straight majority of first preference votes, it wasnt a supermajority, and due to X and nothing being tied for the second preference, the suspect will be a ranked choice suspect of Ban Charizardite Y, Ban Charizardite X, and Ban Neither, similar to the BW OU gems/volcarona/cloyster suspect: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-gems-volcarona-cloyster.3704372/

People automatically were granted reqs for the following:

• Council member OR
• ORAS Cup Finalists OR
• Played at least 3 series of ORAS in PL, and won at least two games OR
• Played at least 3 series of ORAS in WC, and won at least two games

Initial Voter List

crucify, pqs, Elo Bandit, DEG, Mubs, DezShizzels, 187 Fan, bird poop, Inkreativ, Leru, OM, Synonimous, Entei, crying (14)

Additionally, as this is a big decision in ORAS tiering, we have came up with two different tours for the sake of providing players additional means of qualifying for this suspect: an invitational and live tours.

First, for the invitational, the ORAS council decided on the most objective criteria we could that would include players that have played a considerable or notable amount of ORAS throughout 1v1 history, but have not started in oras or played in oras individuals recently, who we believe deserve an additional opportunity to get reqs.

Criteria

• ORAS Cup Semis
• 2021 ORAS Cup Finals
• ORAS Tiebreak players
• 1v1 Classic Semifinalists
• ORAS No Johns finalists
• >10 games all time played in ORAS in team tours
• Played at least 3 series of ORAS in WC V (2021 wc), and won at least two games

Of those who were alive and accepted, we got enough for a 16 person tournament: Justdelemon, zioziotrip, Potatochan, smely socks, Rosa, XSTATIC COLD, Whaleeeee, Scraftionite, Joker 1v1, torterraxx, Drix, eblurb, Close, Akeras, Waylaid, STABLE

These players will be randomly sorted into 4 pools of 4 and play a round robin within their pool, just like in World Cup. Those who finish with a positive record in their pool will earn reqs. The tour will be posted later today.

The live tours for this suspect will be emulating those of the main 1v1 Live tournament, just like the SM Mew suspect, with each tournament taking place on the Smogtours server, as well as having the same scheme for dates and times, being:

• Saturday, January 14th:
  • 6 PM GMT+0 (EU, USA, maybe India)
  • 11:59 PM GMT+0 (OCE, EU, USA)
• Sunday, January 15th:
  • 4 PM GMT+0 (semi-USA, EU, India)
  • 10 PM GMT+0 (EU, USA)
• Saturday, January 21st:
  • 6 PM GMT+0 (EU, USA, maybe India)
  • 11:59 PM GMT+0 (OCE, EU, USA)
• Sunday, January 22nd:
  • 4 PM GMT+0 (semi-USA, EU, India)
  • 10 PM GMT+0 (EU, USA)

We are currently looking for hosts so if you are interested pm me on discord (i will be hosting at least a few so we do not have 0).

Few other notes:
- Players who already qualified through ORAS Cup, Premier League, and World Cup will be able to cast their votes immediately through a google form while the live tour phase is going on.
- Players who have already qualified through the above means are still allowed to play in the live tours!
- Once the qualifiers from the live tours and invitational have been determined, they will have 4 days to cast their votes.
- How ranked choice voting works: voters will order Ban Charizardite X, Ban Charizardite Y, and Ban Neither from 1 to 3, 1 being their most preferred, and 3 being least. If one option has over 50% of the first place votes, it will automatically win. If there isn't, the option that has the least first place votes will be eliminated, and those that voted for it with their first place vote will have their second choice vote count as their first, and then whichever remaining option has the most votes will happen.

Feel free to discuss or argue more on discord in the meantime

 

[Lumii]

why do I keep posting about BW after crucify says something probably more relevant about ORAS...

Hi there, BW updates again! neomon and Freddy Kyogre have left the BW Council. We sincerely thank them for all the effort they put in towards making BW 1v1 better. To replace them, crucify and STABLE have joined the BW council.

Rises
Cresselia from A+ to S-
Manaphy from A to A+
Metagross from A to A+
Porygon-Z from A to A+
Garchomp from A- to A
Jellicent from A- to A
Raikou from A- to A
Meloetta from B+ to A-
Serperior from B+ to A-
Tornadus from B to B+
Tornadus-T from B to B+
Mienshao from B- to B
Salamence from C+ to B-
Clefable from UR to C+
Togetic from UR to C

Drops
Genesect from A+ to A
Landorus-T from A- to B+
Magnezone from A- to B+
Arcanine from B+ to B
Chandelure from B+ to B
Slaking from B+ to B
Terrakion from B+ to B
Archeops from B to B-
Hydreigon from B to B-
Rotom-W from B to B-
Hariyama from B to C+
Breloom from B- to C+
Gengar from B- to C+
Infernape from B- to C+
Mamoswine from B- to C+
Rotom-H from B- to C+
Slowbro from B- to C+
Starmie from B- to C+
Durant from B- to C
Roserade from B- to C
Alakazam from C+ to C
Blissey from C+ to C
Hippowdon from C+ to C
Sceptile from C+ to C
Scizor from C+ to C
Venusaur from C+ to C
Carracosta from C+ to C-
Darmanitan from C+ to C-
Kingdra from C to C-
Krookodile from C to C-
Reuniclus from C to C-
Umbreon from C to C-
Virizion from C to C-
Excadrill from C to UR
Gallade from C to UR
Riolu from C to UR
Azumarill from C- to D
Cacturne from C- to D
Cofagrigus from C- to D
Exeggutor from C- to D
Hitmonlee from C- to D
Quagsire from C- to D
Torterra from C- to D
Galvantula from C- to UR
Escavalier from D to UR
Miltank from D to UR
Murkrow from D to UR
Politoed from D to UR
Weavile from D to UR


These changes will be reflected on the BW OP whenever DEG gets to updating it. I am currently working on a revamped sets compendium for Pokemon ranked B or higher. You can expect it to be out before the beginning of PL at the very latest.

Edit: Itchy didn't vote originally so this was edited to reflect their votes...

 

[pqs]

Charizardite Y: Ban

 

[LRXC]

ADV speed tiers updated shoutouts bored_glitch for the amazing work as always

 

[bored_glitch]

i also updated bw speedtiers

 

[bored_glitch]

haha what if dpp had speedtiers :eyes:
ss speedtiers also updated (smely socks will impliment today or tmr :tm:)
uh oras and sm maybe next week

 

[crucify]

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hello everyone, the ORAS Charizard suspect, also known as ORAS 1v1 Among Us but Charizard is the Imposter, has concluded.

Voters (26)

Initial voter list:
crucify, pqs, Elo Bandit, DEG, Mubs, DezShizzels, 187 Fan, bird poop, Inkreativ, Leru, OM, Synonimous, Entei, crying (14)

ORAS 1v1 Among Us but Charizard is the Imposter Invitational:
eblurb (3-0), smely socks (2-1), Scrationite (2-1), Rosa (2-1), STABLE (3-0), zioziotrip (2-1), Potatochan (3-0) (7)

ORAS 1v1 Charizard Live Tours: only the top 3 tours counted for each person, and we took the top 10% of point getters from the total amount of entrants, which was 52, so the following 5 people earned reqs from the live tours:
SwordIsBored, deddd, PA, ncalathes, zo (5)

Results (full votes here):

Ban Charizardite X: 4
Ban Charizardite Y: 18
Ban Neither: 4

With a supermajority of 69.2% of first place votes, Charizardite Y has been banned from ORAS 1v1! tagging Kris to implement when able, thanks! Also thanks again to everyone who hosted and played in the suspect tours

 

[Mishlef]

 

[The2009Zapdos]

Hasta la vista, Mega Charizard Y.

 

[Elo Bandit]

RBY 1v1 Resources have been updated!
Huge thanks to Murman for all the help developing this tier!

 

[Lumii]

Hi there again, here are more BW 1v1 updates. Urfgurgle has become the newest member of the BW 1v1 Council. On behalf of the council, I offer him our hearty congratulations! With his addition to the council, we have one final round of VR Updates to make before OGPL.

Rises
Genesect from A to A+
Latios from A to A+
Tyranitar from A to A+
Heatran from B+ to A-
Arcanine from B to B+
Kyurem from B to B+
Terrakion from B to B+
Blissey from C to C+
Durant from C to C+
Hippowdon from C to C+
Darmanitan from C- to C
Reuniclus from C- to C
Staraptor from C- to C
Virizion from C- to C
Quagsire from D to C-
Excadrill from UR to D
Gallade from UR to D
Miltank from UR to D
Riolu from UR to D

Drops
Volcarona from S to S-
Porygon-Z from A+ to A
Thundurus from A+ to A
Jellicent from A to A-
Meloetta from A- to B+
Serperior from A- to B+
Tornadus from B+ to B
Tornadus from B+ to B
Ferrothorn from B to B-
Mienshao from B to B-
Swampert from B to B-
Salamence from B- to C+
Breloom from C+ to C-
Clefable from C+ to C
Alakazam from C to C-
Cobalion from C- to D

In addition, the revamped sets compendium is still not finished, and the release date will probably be between OGPL and PL, but it could take longer. I just really do not know at this point. If anyone would like to submit sets to the sets compendium, please contact me on Discord. I'd be very glad to review the set and put it in the compendium if I find it sufficiently relevant to put on there. Thanks!

 

[Boat]

USUM VR Updates (many of these have actually been voted on for months and just never published)

Rises
Zygarde-Complete (A -> A+)
Aegislash (A- -> A)
Volcarona (B -> B+)
Ambipom (B- -> B)
Diggersby (C+ -> B-)
Blastoise-Mega (C -> C+)
Alakazam-Mega (C- -> C)
Blissey (C- -> C)
Salazzle (C- -> C)
Talonflame (C- -> C)
Mamoswine (D -> C-)
Nidoking (D -> C-)

Drops
Blaziken-Mega (B+ -> B)
Naganadel (B+ -> B)
Ferrothorn (B -> B-)
Krookodile (B -> B-)
Magneton (B -> B-)
Pheromosa (B -> B-)
Whimsicott (B -> B-)
Durant (B- -> C+)
Rhyperior (B- -> C+)
Chansey (C+ -> C)
Thundurus-Therian (C+ -> C)
Bellossom (D -> UR)
Crobat (D -> UR)
Roserade (D -> UR)