Metagame 1v1 OMs (VOTE IN THE POLL!)

What metagame would you like the next OM startup tour to be? (Pick Top 3)

  • NatDex 1v1

  • UU 1v1

  • Monotype 1v1

  • Ubers 1v1

  • STABmons 1v1

  • CAP 1v1

  • LC 1v1

  • Dynamax 1v1

  • NFE 1v1

  • AG 1v1

  • Inverse 1v1


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Alakazam

Why'd you leave the keys upon the table
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1v1 OMs were once the backbone of the 1v1 community, giving flavor and diversity to the overall current gen metagames of yesteryear. While 1v1 as a community has generally focused more on Old Gens in recent times, the 1v1 OMs still hold meaning to a good portion of the playerbase.

Current OMs
NatDex 1v1 - Led by pqs and a council
UU 1v1 - Led by AllFourtyOne and a council
Monotype 1v1 - Led by Felucia
1v1 Type Challenge - Led by AllFourtyOne and PartChandelure, and a council
AAA 1v1 - Led by Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd and a council
Ubers 1v1 - Led by Alakazam
STABmons 1v1 - Led by Freddy Kyogre
CAP 1v1 - Led by AllFourtyOne
LC 1v1 - Led by Poison Adhesive and Quote
Dynamax 1v1 - Led by Osra
NFE 1v1 - Led by Waylaid and M24
AG 1v1 - Led by Jamez155 and a council
Inverse 1v1 - Led by Arai

Sketchmons 1v1 (no)
BH 1v1
These can be claimed by anyone. If you wish to take leadership of one of these, message me about it
 
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pqs

u rly thought
National Pokedex 1v1
Led by pqs
Welcome to National Dex 1v1! Many people have been outraged about “Dexit” or where half of the national Pokedex was removed from the main series games, and subsequently all Pokemon Showdown metagames. This outraged many people and they have formed a metagame in which we can still experience Mega Evolutions, Z-Moves, and Custap Berry among other items that we all relish from the past. The auto-bans from this metagame include everything that was banned in generation 7 1v1, along with the legendary Pokemon included in generation 8 1v1. We have already determined a quickban in this metagame for Dynamax / Gigantamax for the same reasons as in the standard 1v1 metagame, due to it being very unpredictable and it is boosted further with Mega Evolutions and Z-Moves being added to the mix.

Bans: - Deoxys-Defense, Mimikyu, Snorlax, Tapu Koko, Fightinium Z + Detect
Unbans: - Deoxys-Speed, Landorus, Lucario-Mega, Lucarionite, Naganadel, Pheromosa, Zygarde-Complete, Power Construct, Necrozma, Sableye, Mew, Moody
Added rules: - Gen 8 National Dex

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules -Deoxys-Defense, -Mimikyu, -Snorlax, -Tapu Koko, -Detect + Fightinium Z, +Deoxys-Speed, +Landorus, +Lucario-Mega, +Lucarionite, +Naganadel, +Pheromosa, +Zygarde-Complete, +Power Construct, +Necrozma, +Sableye, +Mew, +Gen 8 National Dex
/tour name NatDex 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall National Dex 1v1! Use all of the Pokemon you've missed out in SWSH 1v1.

Council
:porygon2: pqs
:diancie-mega: Notater
:porygon: Yami
:staravia: Pokesartoolcay
:drampa: Yung Dramps

Resources

S Rank
Charizard-Mega-X
Dragonite
Gyarados-Mega

S- Rank
Magearna

A+ Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y
Greninja
Metagross-Mega
Mew
Porygon-Z

A Rank
:Darmanitan-Galar:
Darmanitan-Galar
Gardevoir-Mega
Meloetta
Slowbro-Mega
Zeraora

A- Rank
:blastoise-mega: Blastoise-Mega
Donphan
Kommo-o
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Primarina
Tapu Fini
Tapu Lele
Venusaur-Mega
Victini
Zygarde-Complete


B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega
Celesteela
Clefable
Garchomp
:genesect: Genesect
Heatran
Jumpluff
Mawile-Mega
Porygon2
Sableye-Mega
Serperior
Togekiss
Tyranitar-Mega

B Rank
Aegislash
Aggron-Mega
Blaziken-Mega
:Corsola-Galar:
Corsola-Galar
Crustle
:Dracovish:
Dracovish
Ferrothorn
Haxorus
Hoopa-Unbound
Incineroar
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Jirachi
Kartana
Krookodile
Lopunny-Mega
Magneton
Melmetal
Naganadel
Necrozma
Pheromosa
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Registeel
Sawk
Scizor-Mega
Type: Null
Volcarona
Whimsicott


B- Rank
Archeops
Avalugg
Carracosta
:Corviknight:
Corviknight
Deoxys-S
Diancie-Mega
:Dracozolt:
Dracozolt
:Dragapult:
Dragapult
:Grimmsnarl:
Grimmsnarl
Golem
Kyurem
Latias-Mega
Manaphy
Medicham-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Swampert-Mega
Vivillon
:Weezing-Galar:
Weezing-Galar
Zapdos


C+ Rank
:aggron: Aggron
:Alcremie:
Alcremie
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Ambipom
Araquanid
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Audino-Mega
Blacephalon
Camerupt-Mega
Chansey
Diggersby
:Duraludon:
Duraludon
Durant
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Emboar
Entei
Gallade-Mega
Gengar-Mega
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Gyarados
Heracross-Mega
:Inteleon:
Inteleon
Latios
Nihilego
Quagsire
Raikou
Rotom-Heat
Salamence
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Scrafty
Slaking
Smeargle
Steelix-Mega
Terrakion
Umbreon

C Rank
Blaziken
Blissey
:buzzwole: Buzzwole
:Cinderace:
Cinderace
:Copperajah:
Copperajah
Darmanitan
Empoleon
Excadrill
Gigalith
:Hatterene:
Hatterene
Illumise
Infernape
Keldeo
:landorus: Landorus
Lucario-Mega
Marowak-Alola
Pidgeot-Mega
Pyukumuku
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Regice
Rhyperior
Rotom-Wash
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Scolipede
Skarmory
Talonflame
Thundurus
Thundurus-Therian
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Tyranitar
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Vaporeon
Volcanion
Xurkitree


C- Rank
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Aerodactyl-Mega
Alakazam
Alakazam-Mega
Azumarill
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Celebi
Crobat
Garchomp-Mega
Hydreigon
Lycanroc-Dusk
Muk-Alola
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Musharna
Ninetales-Alola
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Reuniclus
Salazzle
Sceptile-Mega
Staraptor
Suicune
Togedemaru
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Trevenant
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Weavile


D Rank
Abomasnow-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Arcanine
Aron
Bellossom
Breloom
Chandelure
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Chesnaught
Cloyster
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Decidueye
Delphox
:Eiscue:
Eiscue
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Exeggutor
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Gengar
Gliscor
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Mamoswine
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Milotic
Rampardos
Relicanth
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Riolu
Roserade
Rotom-Mow
Sceptile
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Shedinja
Stakataka
Sylveon
Key
Min Speed
= 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.

Noteworthy Speed tiers, such as for very common/viable sets and Speed Trap Pokemon, are noted with a star (
)

4: Min Speed Level One FEAR Aron
27: Min Speed Stakataka
40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
40: Min Speed Sableye-Mega
46: Bulky Pyukumuku
54: Min Speed Avalugg
56: Min Speed Hatterene
58: Min Speed Slowbro-Mega
58: Min Speed Steelix-Mega
76: Bulky Sableye-Mega
76: Bulky Camerupt-Mega
86: -Nature Abomasnow-Mega
86: Bulky Gigalith
94: Min Speed Aggron-Mega
★ 94: Min Speed Mawile-Mega
94: Bulky Hatterene
96: Bulky Slowbro-Mega
96: Bulky Abomasnow-Mega
96: Bulky Steelix-Mega
96: Bulky Copperajah
104: Bulky Melmetal
106: Bulky Quagsire
★ 112: Min Speed Aegislash
112: Min Speed Porygon2
112: Min Speed Primarina
116: Bulky Rhyperior
116: Bulky Dhelmise
120: Bulky Araquanid
126: Bulky Golem
126: Bulky Marowak-Alola
★ 136: Bulky Donphan
★ 136: Bulky Mawile-Mega
136: Bulky Registeel
136: Bulky Chansey
136: Bulky Muk-Alola
136: Bulky Azumarill
136: Bulky Bellossom
★ 140: -Nature Aegislash
140: -Nature Primarina
146: Bulky Blissey
146: Bulky Relicanth
154: Bulky Type: Null
156: Bulky Primarina
156: Bulky Incineroar
156: Bulky Porygon2
156: Bulky Clefable
156: Bulky Sylveon
156: Bulky Grimmsnarl
156: Bulky Weezing-Galar
158: Bulky Celesteela
163: Adamant Carracosta
★ 166: Bulky Magearna
166: Bulky Umbreon
176: Bulky Swampert-Mega
176: Bulky Volcanion
178: Bulky Tyranitar-Mega
179: Max Speed Carracosta
186: Bulky Scizor-Mega
186: Bulky Heracross-Mega
189: Fast Golem
189: Fast Crustle
192: Bulky Blastoise-Mega
194: Bulky Necrozma
194: Bulky Buzzwole
★ 196: Bulky Dragonite
196: Bulky Altaria-Mega
196: Bulky Venusaur-Mega
196: Bulky Hoopa-Unbound
★ 199: Fast Donphan
199: Fast Eiscue
★ 206: Bulky Zygarde-Complete
206: Bulky Suicune
206: Bulky Illumise
206: Bulky Dracovish
207: Max Speed Crustle
★ 218: Max Speed Donphan
★ 218: Max Speed Mawile-Mega
218: Max Speed Eiscue
218: Max Speed Diancie
219: Fast Magnezone
219: Fast Empoleon
220: Bulky Garchomp-Mega
221: Fast Celesteela
★ 226: Bulky Tapu Lele
★ 226: Bulky Zygarde
226: Bulky Kyurem
226: Bulky Arcanine
★ 236: Bulky Mew
236: Bulky Manaphy
236: Bulky Victini
236: Bulky Staraptor
239: Fast Skarmory
239: Fast Cloyster
239: Fast Volcanion
240: Max Speed Magnezone
240: Max Speed Primarina
243: Max Speed Celesteela
249: Fast Heracross-Mega
249: Fast Tapu Bulu
249: Fast Dracovish
249: Fast Dracozolt
★ 251: Max Speed Magearna
252: Bulky Keldeo
253: Fast Heatran
255: Fast Diggersby
256: Bulky Metagross-Mega
257: Fast Buzzwole
★ 259: Fast Dragonite
259: Fast Venusaur-Mega
259: Fast Hoopa-Unbound
259: Fast Chandelure
★ 261: Fast Gyarados-Mega
262: Max Speed Magneton
★ 262: Max Speed Breloom
265: Max Speed Tyranitar-Mega
265: Fast Xurkitree
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Zygarde-Complete
269: Fast Kommo-o
269: Fast Sawk
269: Fast Suicune
271: Fast Rotom-Heat
★ 273: Max Speed Smeargle
273: Max Speed Dracovish
273: Max Speed Dracozolt
273: Max Speed Tapu Bulu
275: Fast Excadrill
278: Max Speed Heatran
★ 279: Fast Porygon Z
★ 279: Fast Meloetta
280: Max Speed Blastoise-Mega
280: Max Speed Diggersby
283: Fast Krookodile
★ 284: Max Speed Dragonite
284: Max Speed Venusaur-Mega
284: Max Speed Altaria-Mega
284: Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound
284: Max Speed Togekiss
284: Max Speed Chandelure
★ 287: Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
★ 289: Fast Tapu Lele
★ 289: Fast Zygarde
★ 289: Fast Darmanitan-Galar
289: Fast Kyurem
291: Max Speed Xurkitree
291: Fast Togedemaru
293: Fast Haxorus
★ 295: Max Speed Tapu Fini
295: Fast Hydreigon
297: Fast Genesect
298: Max Speed Rotom-Heat
★ 299: Fast Charizard Mega X
299: Fast Blaziken-Mega
299: Fast Victini
299: Fast Manaphy
299: Fast Salamence
299: Fast Zapdos
299: Fast Entei
299: Fast Slaking
299: Fast Staraptor
302: Max Speed Excadrill
★ 304: Max Speed Vivillon
306: Max Speed Meloetta
★ 306: Max Speed Porygon Z
309: Max Speed Landorus-Therian
311: Max Speed Garchomp-Mega
313: Fast Blacephalon
315: Fast Terrakion
★ 317: Max Speed Tapu Lele
★ 317: Max Speed Darmanitan-Galar
317: Fast Kartana
317: Max Speed Kyurem
★ 319: Fast Metagross-Mega
319: Fast Latios
320: Max Speed Togedemaru
322: Max Speed Haxorus
324: Max Speed Hydreigon
326: Max Speed Genesect
326: +2 Fast Carracosta
★ 328: Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X
★ 328: Max Speed Charizard-Mega-Y
★ 328: Max Speed Gardevoir-Mega
★ 328: Max Speed Mew
328: Max Speed Blaziken-Mega
328: Max Speed Victini
328: Max Speed Volcarona
328: Max Speed Medicham-Mega
328: Max Speed Salamence
328: Max Speed Zapdos
328: Max Speed Slaking
328: Max Speed Staraptor
331: Max Speed Landorus
331: Max Speed Thundurus-Therian
333: Max Speed Garchomp
335: Max Speed Nihilego
335: Fast Hawlucha
337: Max Speed Delphox
339: Max Speed Pinsir-Mega
341: Fast Naganadel
341: Fast Pidgeot-Mega
★ 343: Fast Greninja
344: Max Speed Blacephalon
346: Max Speed Terrakion
346: Max Speed Infernape
346: Max Speed Keldeo
348: Max Speed Kartana
348: Max Speed Durant
348: Max Speed Ninetales-Alola
★ 350: Max Speed Metagross-Mega
★ 350: Max Speed Jumpluff
350: Max Speed Diancie-Mega
350: Max Speed Archeops
350: Max Speed Gallade-Mega
350: Max Speed Latios
350: Max Speed Latias-Mega
350: Max Speed Lycanroc-Dusk
351: Fast Talonflame
354: Scarf Max Speed Rampardos
355: Max Speed Lucario-Mega
357: Max Speed Serperior
358: +2 Max Speed Carracosta
361: Max Speed Raikou
364: Max Speed Salazzle
368: Max Speed Hawlucha
★ 369: Fast Lopunny-Mega
369: Fast Manectric-Mega
370: Max Speed Cinderace
372: Max Speed Inteleon
373: Scarf Fast Tapu Bulu
373: Scarf Fast Dracovish
373: Scarf Fast Dracozolt
375: Max Speed Naganadel
375: Max Speed Pidgeot-Mega
★ 377: Max Speed Greninja
382: Scarf Fast Diggersby
385: Fast Zeraora
385: Scarf Fast Buzzwole
386: Max Speed Talonflame
★ 388: +1 Fast Dragonite
388: Scarf Fast Hoopa Unbound
388: Scarf Fast Chandelure
★ 391: +1 Fast Gyarados-Mega
★ 394: Max Speed Gengar-Mega
397: +1 Max Speed Tyranitar-Mega
397: Scarf Fast Xurkitree
398: +2 Fast Crustle
399: Fast Alakazam-Mega
401: Fast Pheromosa
403: +1 Fast Kommo-o
403: Scarf Fast Sawk
★ 405: Max Speed Lopunny Mega
405: Max Speed Manectric-Mega
409: Scarf Max Speed Tapu Bulu
409: Scarf Max Speed Dracovish
409: Scarf Max Speed Dracovish
412: Scarf Fast Excadrill
414: +2 Max Speed Crustle
★ 418: Scarf/+1 Fast Porygon Z
★ 418: +1 Fast Meloetta
420: Scarf Max Speed Diggersby
★ 423: Max Speed Zeraora
426: +1 Max Speed Dragonite
426: +1 Max Speed Altaria-Mega
426: Scarf Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound
426: Scarf Max Speed Togekiss
426: Scarf Max Speed Chandelure
427: Max Speed Sceptile-Mega
★ 430: +1 Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
★ 433: Scarf Fast Tapu Lele
★ 433: Scarf Fast Darmanitan-Galar
433: Scarf Fast Darmanitan
436: Scarf Max Speed Xurkitree
438: Max Speed Alakazam-Mega
439: Scarf Fast Haxorus
441: Max Speed Pheromosa
442: +1 Max Speed Tapu Fini
442: Scarf Max Speed Sawk
442: Scarf Fast Hydreigon
445: Scarf Fast Genesect
448: +1 Fast Blaziken-Mega
448: Scarf Fast Victini
448: Scarf Fast Salamence
448: Scarf Fast Slaking
453: Scarf Max Speed Excadrill
★ 459: Scarf/+1 Max Speed Porygon Z
★ 459: +1 Max Speed Meloetta
459: Fast Deoxys-Speed
463: Scarf Max Speed Landorus-Therian
469: Scarf Fast Blacephalon
472: Scarf Fast Terrakion
★ 475: Scarf Max Speed Tapu Lele
★ 475: Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan-Galar
475: Scarf Fast Kartana
475: Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan
478: Scarf Fast Archeops
478: Scarf Fast Latios
478: +2 Fast Cloyster
483: Scarf Max Speed Haxorus
486: Scarf Max Speed Hydreigon
489: Scarf Max Speed Genesect
★ 492: +1 Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X
★ 492: +1 Max Speed Charizard-Mega-Y
492: +1 Max Speed Blaziken-Mega
492: Scarf Max Speed Victini
492: Scarf Max Speed Jirachi
492: Scarf Max Speed Salamence
492: Scarf Max Speed Slaking
492: +1 Max Speed Volcarona
496: Scarf Max Speed Landorus
499: Scarf Max Speed Garchomp
★ 504: Max Speed Deoxys Speed
★ 514: Scarf Fast Greninja
516: Scarf Max Speed Blacephalon
519: Scarf Max Speed Terrakion
519: Scarf Max Speed Infernape
522: Scarf Max Speed Kartana
525: +1 Grassium Jumpluff
525: Scarf Max Speed Archeops
525: Scarf Max Speed Latios
★ 565: Scarf Max Speed Greninja
670: Unburden Fast Hawlucha
736: Unburden Max Speed Hawlucha
:blastoise: :victini: :serperior:
Shell Smash Mega Blastoise Lure by pqs and Eriey
Blastoise-Mega @ Blastoisinite
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 248 HP / 40 SpA / 112 SpD / 108 Spe
Calm Nature
- Fake Out
- Hydro Cannon
- Shell Smash
- Dragon Pulse

Victini @ Psychium Z
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 164 HP / 132 Atk / 60 SpD / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- V-create
- Zen Headbutt
- Bolt Strike
- Light Screen

Serperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 184 HP / 72 Def / 20 SpA / 232 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Substitute
- Leaf Storm
- Leech Seed

:blastoise-mega:: Mega Blastoise is great in the new Pokemon HOME meta due to it getting Shell Smash, along with it already having moves like Fake Out and Hydro Cannon to support it. It can beat threats like both Mega Charizards and Dragonite with the right EVs.

:victini:: Victini was a coverage option to beat all the threats that Mega Blastoise couldn't handle, like Magearna, Tapu Lele, Primarina, and Tapu Fini.

:serperior:: Serperior fufilled the FWG core that makes this team so great while also taking out the teams miscellaneous weaknesses like Mega Gyarados, Mew, and Mega Slowbro. These EVs are ran for maximum HP gaining from Leech Seed recovery and Leftovers while also winning versus Choice Band Garchomp.
:Venusaur: - Earth Power
:Blastoise: - Shell Smash
:Gengar: - Nasty Plot, Encore, Imprison
:Steelix: - Body Press, Psychic Fangs, Head Smash
:Rhyperior: - Heat Crash, Iron Defense, Heavy Slam
:Gyarados: - Power Whip
:mew: - Encore, Imprison
:Umbreon: - Throat Chop
:Togekiss: - Mystical Fire, Imprison, Amnesia, Future Sight
:Mamoswine: - Rock Blast, Heavy Slam
:Tyranitar: - Heavy Slam, Body Press, Rock Blast, Breaking Swipe
:Celebi: - Aura Sphere, Imprison, Psychic Terrain, Grassy Terrain
:Gardevoir: - Mystical Fire, Psychic Terrain
:Milotic: - Imprison
:Jirachi: - Aura Sphere, Encore, Charm, Imprison, Amnesia, Stored Power
:Rotom: - Nasty Plot, Eerie Impulse
:Gallade: - Solar Blade, Reversal
:lucario: - Steel Beam
:Conkeldurr: - Close Combat
:Crustle: - Solar Blade, Heavy Slam
:Haxorus: - Close Combat, First Impression, Crunch, Psycho Cut
:Ferrothorn: - Body Press
:Braviary: - Close Combat
:Durant: - First Impression
:Hydreigon: - Nasty Plot, Hydro Pump
:Virizion: - Solar Blade, Smart Strike, Megahorn
:Cobalion: - Reversal, Smart Strike, Megahorn
:Terrakion: - Reversal, Smart Strike, Megahorn
:Kyurem: - Freeze-Dry
:Malamar: - Liquidation, Disable
:Aegislash: - Close Combat
:Hawlucha: - Close Combat, Brave Bird, Reversal, Endure
:Aromatisse: - Encore, Fake Tears
:Avalugg: - Icicle Spear, Body Press, Heavy Slam
:Goodra: - Hydro Pump
:Incineroar: - Close Combat
:Primarina: - Calm Mind
:Bewear: - Darkest Lariat, Close Combat, Reversal, Endure
:Golisopod: - Close Combat
:Kommo-o: - Aura Sphere, Body Press, Clangorous Soul, Boomburst
:Necrozma: - Dragon Dance

Major Points of Discussion
:tapu-koko:: Tapu Koko has been an interesting topic in 1v1 due to it's Electric Terrain being nerfed. Though some may think it was / would be still powerful without it's Electric Terrain, we're going to look into its matchups work out now, and if anything has changed before we make a decision.

:mew:: With it gaining Imprison and Transform from generation 8, it can take advantage of its all 100-base stats to take a hit and stall them.

:sableye: | :sableye-mega:: In the Z move meta, it isn't as great as it would be in a place like SWSH which it can Encore + Disable almost everything, though it is still a notable and undiscovered pick.
 
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Le Creme Brule

Formerly AllFourtyOne
UU 1v1
UU 1v1 is a 1v1 sub-format where any Pokémon above 3.41% usage is banned. This means you'll have to use teams without the top tier threats you're used to.


Bans: 1v1 banlist, Mimikyu, Dracovish, Sylveon, Togekiss, Incineroar, Corviknight, Arcanine, Dragapult, Darmanitan-Galar, Snorlax, Sawk, Cinderace, Jirachi, Aegislash, Zeraora, Haxorus, Primarina, Excadrill, Rotom-H, Aromatisse, Grimmsnarl, Whimsicott
Unbans: -

/tour create gen81v1, elim/rr,,, UU 1v1
/tour rules -Mimikyu, -Dragapult, -Dracovish, -Cinderace, -Arcanine, -Sylveon, -Corviknight, -Darmanitan-Galar, -Togekiss, -Primarina, -Aegislash, -Sawk, - Excadrill, -Aromatisse, -Incineroar, -Haxorus, -Zeraora, -Snorlax, -Rotom-H, -Jirachi, -Whimsicott, -Grimmsnarl

Council
Arai
AllFourtyOne (Leader)
Pokesartoolcay

Resources
S Rank
Chandelure
Diggersby
Dracozolt

A+ Rank
Bewear
Inteleon

A Rank
Goodra
Scrafty
Togedemaru
Wishiwashi

A- Rank
Centiskorch
Eldegoss

B+ Rank
Indeedee-Female
Mudsdale
Obstagoon
Vaporeon

B Rank
Cloyster
Durant
Ferrothorn
Gengar
Rillaboom
Reuniclus
Type: Null

B- Rank
Dubwool
Indeedee-Male
Pyukumuku
Silvally
Sirfetch'd
Umbreon

C+ Rank
Alcremie
Duraludon
Gardevoir
Gyarados
Quagsire

C Rank
Drampa
Eiscue
Hatterene
Toxapex
Toxtricity

C- Rank
Copperajah

D Rank
Appletun
Orbeetle
Trevenant
Tsareena

Unranked
Conkeldurr
Weezing-Galar
Gastrodon
Bisharp
Steelix
Vikavolt
Hitmonlee
Araquanid
Stonjourner
Ninetales
Key
Min Speed
= 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.

will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks

Speed Tiers

40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
46: Bulky Pyukumuku
54: Min Speed Avathugg
76: Bulky Escavalier
86: Bulky Dusclops
94: Bulky Hatterene
96: Bulky Appletun
96: Bulky Copperajah
96: Bulky Reuniclus
96: Bulky Runerigus
96: Bulky Steelix
106: Bulky Drampa
106: Bulky Mudsdale
106: Bulky Quagsire
106: Bulky Toxapex
114: Bulky Gastrodon
116: Bulky Rhyperior
120: Bulky Araquanid
126: Bulky Conkeldurr
130: Bulky Hippowdon
136: Bulky Perrserker
146: Bulky Arctovish
146: Bulky Arctozolt
148: Bulky Trevenant
154: Bulky Type: Null
156: Bulky Bewear
156: Bulky Eldegoss
156: Bulky Grimmsnarl
156: Bulky Weezing-Galar
164: Bulky Alcremie
166: Bulky Centiskorch
166: Bulky Sirfetch’d
166: Bulky Umbreon
166: Bulky Vaporeon
196: Bulky Goodra
206: Bulky Indeedee-F
206: Bulky Rillaboom
212: Bulky Dubwool
218: Max Speed Eiscue (Ice Cube)
226: Bulky Obstagoon
226: Bulky Silvally
229: Fast Sirfetch’d
239: Fast Bisharp
239: Fast Cloyster
239: Fast Polteageist
240: Max Speed Bewear
240: Max Speed Eldegoss
243: Fast Tsareena
249: Fast Toxtricity
251: Max Speed Sirfetch’d
255: Fast Diggersby
259: Fast Chandelure
259: Fast Gallade
261: Fast Gyarados
262: Max Speed Bisharp
262: Max Speed Polteageist
267: Max Speed Tsareena
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Duraludon
269: Fast Falinks
269: Fast Rillaboom
269: Fast Toxicitry
271: Fast Rotom Formes
273: Max Speed Dracozolt
273: Max Speed Toxtricity
279: Fast Lucario
280: Max Speed Diggersby
284: Max Speed Chandelure
284: Max Speed Gallade
287: Max Speed Gyarados
289: Fast Obstagoon
289: Fast Silvally
291: Fast Togedemaru
295: Max Speed Duraludon
295: Max Speed Falinks
295: Max Speed Rillaboom
295: Max Speed Toxicitry
298: Max Speed Rotom-Formes
306: Max Speed Klinklang
306: Max Speed Lucario
317: Max Speed Indeedee
317: Max Speed Obstagoon
317: Max Speed Silvally
320: Max Speed Togedemaru
335: Fast Hawlucha
345: Fast Noivern
348: Max Speed Durant
350: Max Speed Gengar
350: Max Speed Espeon
364: Max Speed Salazzle
368: Max Speed Hawlucha
372: Max Speed Intelleon
373: Scarf Fast Dracozolt
379: Max Speed Noivern
382: Scarf Fast Diggersby
388: Scarf Fast Chandelure
391: +1 Fast Gyarados
394: Max Speed Eiscue (No Ice)
403: +1 Fast Falinks
403: Scarf Fast Toxtricity
409: Scarf Max Speed Dracozolt
420: Scarf Max Speed Diggersby
426: Scarf Max Speed Chandelure
430: +1 Max Speed Gyarados
433: Scarf Fast Obstagoon
433: Scarf Fast Indeedee
442: +1 Max Speed Falinks
442: Scarf Max Speed Toxtricity
475: Scarf Max Speed Indeedee
478: +2 Fast Cloyster
478: +2 Fast Polteageist
478: Scarf Fast Gengar
499: Scarf Fast Salazzle
522: Scarf Max Speed Durant
524: +2 Max Speed Polteageist
525: Scarf Max Speed Gengar
670: Unburden Fast Hawlucha
736: Unburden Max Speed Hawlucha

Speed Benchmarks
212: Speed to outspeed Base 95s when you're at +1 or they're at -1 (318 and 211)
219: Speed to outspeed Base 100s when they're at -1 (218)
220: Speed to outspeed Base 100s when you’re at +1 (330)


by AllFourtyOne
Mudsdale @ Choice Band
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 248 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 132 SpD
Impish Nature
- Iron Head
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

Indeedee-F (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 168 HP / 88 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Hyper Voice
- Trick
- Dazzling Gleam

Rillaboom @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Wood Hammer
- Drum Beating
- Swords Dance
 
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Felucia

The Jank Queen
is a Battle Simulator Driver
Monotype 1v1
Led by Felucia
In Monotype 1v1 you are limited to having all Pokémon on your team share a type. That means you can use a team like Cloyster, Darmanitan-Galar, and Eiscue. But not Charizard, Cinderace, and Dragapult.

Bans: -
Unbans: -
Added rules: Same Type Clause

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules Same Type Clause
/tour name Monotype 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall Monotype 1v1! You team must share a common type!


Resources
None Yet!
 
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Le Creme Brule

Formerly AllFourtyOne

Lkjc

Formerly Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
AAA 1v1
Led by Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
AAA 1v1 (Almost Any Ability 1v1) is a metagame where any Pokémon can have (almost) any ability. This completely changes the way the game is played because you can come to face a Lightning Rod Gyarados, which then surprisingly gets defeated by Mold Breaker Vikavolt. The possibilities are endless.

Bans: Sturdy, Huge Power, Pure Power, Intrepid Sword, Gorilla Tactics, Fur Coat, Ice Scales, Moody, Prankster, Parental Bond, Protean, Libero, Simple, Speed Boost, Water Bubble, Wonder Guard, No Guard, Imposter, Normalize, Psychic Surge, Shadow Shield, Multiscale, Hustle, Neutralizing Gas, 1v1 Banlist
Unbans: -
Added rules: Ignore Illegal Abilities

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules -Sturdy, -Huge Power, -Pure Power, -Intrepid Sword, -Gorilla Tactics, -Fur Coat, -Ice Scales, -Moody, -Prankster, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Libero, -Simple, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -No Guard, -Imposter, -Normalize, -Psychic Surge, -Shadow Shield, -Multiscale, -Hustle, !Obtainable Abilities
/tour name AAA 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall AAA 1v1! You can use (almost) any ability!


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Resources
Discord Server
 
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Alakazam

Why'd you leave the keys upon the table
is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Contributor to Smogon
Moderator
Ubers 1v1
Managed by Alakazam
1v1 Ubers is a 1v1 submeta where most of the 1v1 banlist is available for usage. Only the strongest can survive, and formerly legal Pokemon are finally able to see the limelight once more.​

Bans: Focus Sash, Perish Song, Illegal, Unreleased, Lunala
Unbans: Eternatus, Zacian, Zacian-Crowned, Zamazenta, Zamazenta-Crowned, Sableye, Mew, Melmetal, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Marshadow, Mewtwo, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Zekrom, Necrozma
Removed Rules: Dynamax Clause

With Dynamax allowed, Lunala becomes nigh unstoppable, with Shadow Shield giving free setup and recovery before it chooses to Dynamax and nuke everything with the hardly-resisted combination of Ghost and Psychic, or unresisted combination of Ghost, Psychic, and Fighting. Not even Zacian-C had the offensive prowess capable of breaking through Lunala, unless it risked a 50/50 with Swords Dance. Absurdly broken


/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules +Eternatus, +Zacian, +Zacian-Crowned, +Zamazenta, +Zamazenta-Crowned, +Sableye, +Mew, +Melmetal, +Kyurem-Black, +Kyurem-White, +Lunala, +Marshadow, +Mewtwo, +Necrozma, +Reshiram, +Solgaleo, +Zekrom, !dynamaxclause
/tour name 1v1 Ubers
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall 1v1 Ubers! All Pokemon are legal!


Resources
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STABmons 1v1
Managed by Freddy Kyogre
STABmons 1v1 is an 1v1 OM based on the Other Metagame of the same name. In this metagame, Pokémon don't just learn their natural moveset, but can also get every move that has one of the Pokémon's types. That means that Sylveon can use Boomburst, and Gigalith can learn Diamond Storm.

Bans: - Silvally, Spore, Sleep Powder, Acupressure, Belly Drum, Bolt Beak, Double Iron Bash, Fishious Rend, Shift Gear
Unbans: - None
Added rules: STABmons Move Legality

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules STABmons Move Legality, -Spore, -Sleep Powder, -Acupressure, -Belly Drum, -Bolt Beak, -Double Iron Bash, -Fishious Rend, -Shift Gear, -Silvally
/tour name STABmons 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall STABmons 1v1! You can use almost any move that you share a type with!


Resources
Coming soon
 
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Le Creme Brule

Formerly AllFourtyOne
CAP 1v1
Managed by AllFourtyOne

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art by me, AllFourtyOne
CAP 1v1 (Create-a-Pokemon 1v1) is a 1v1 submeta based on Smogon's CAP metagame which consists of all regular Pokémon as well as additional Pokémon created by the CAP project



Bans: -
Unbans: -
Added rules: Allow CAP

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules Allow CAP
/tour name CAP 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall CAP 1v1! You can use Pokemon from the Create a Pokemon project!


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AllFourtyOne
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pqs
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Arai

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules +cap
/tour name CAP 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall CAP 1v1! Any Pokemon from the Create a Pokemon Project is legal!


Resources
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NFE 1v1
Managed by Waylaid and M24
NFE 1v1 is a 1v1 format with NFE rules (NFE banlist and allowed pokemon)

Banlist- NFE Banlist (including the newly banned Dynamax)
Unbans- N/A (none coming soon)
Rules: NFE clause
Resources: All NFE mons

NFE 1v1 Discord
(more coming soon)
 
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Jamez155

1v1's finest
Anything Goes 1v1
Managed by Jamez155
An OM where players can use anything, things banned in usual 1v1 are unbanned here, these can range from pokemon in the Uber tier, to banned clauses like the evasion clause or species clause. There can be lots of creativity in this OM.

Added rules: National Dex Ag
/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules gen8nationaldexag


VR Council
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pqs :Porygon2:
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Lkjc :flygon:
AllFourtyOne :staravia:

Resources VR
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Sample teams
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Inverse 1v1
Managed by Arai
Inverse 1v1 is an Other Metagame based on Inverse Battle where the standard type chart is inverted. This means that Fire-type moves become not very effective against Grass-type Pokémon. In return, Grass-type moves become super effective against Fire-type Pokémon.
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Some Caveats:
  • Immunities become x2 SE. There are no immunities left in this tier based on typing alone
  • The above does not affect ability-based immunities
  • The above does not affect type-based immunities to statuses e.g. Electric Types unable to be Paralyzed, Steel Types unable to be Poisoned, Fire Type unable to be burned etc.

Bans: -
Unbans: -
Added rules: Inverse Mod
/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules Inverse Mod
[OPTIONAL] /tour autostart 5
[OPTIONAL] /wall Inverse 1v1! Type Effectiveness is reversed!

OR

/challenge [User], gen81v1@@@Inverse Mod



Resources
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Key
Min Speed
= 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.

Bold
will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks

Speed Tiers


40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
46: Bulky Pyukumuku
54: Min Speed Avalugg
92: Bulky Avalugg
94: Bulky Aromatisse, Bulky Hatterene
96: Bulky Appletun, Bulky Copperajah, Bulky Corsola-Galar, Bulky Reuniclus, Bulky Snorlax, Bulky Steelix, Bulky Wishiwashi
106: Bulky Drampa, Bulky Mudsdale, Bulky Quagsire, Bulky Toxapex
112: Min Speed Aegislash
114: Bulky Gastrodon
116: Bulky Golisopod, Bulky Rhyperior
120: Bulky Araquanid
126: Bulky Conkeldurr
130: Bulky Hippowdon
140: -Nature Aegislash
146: Bulky Crawdaunt
148: Bulky Trevenant
152: Bulky Scrafty
154: Bulky Type: Null
156: Bulky Bewear, Bulky Eldegoss, Bulky Grimmsnarl, Bulky Incineroar, Bulky Primarina, Bulky Sylveon, Bulky Weezing-Galar
158: Bulky Tyranitar
164: Bulky Alcremie
166: Bulky Centiskorch, Bulky Sirfetch’d, Bulky Umbreon, Bulky Vaporeon
170: Bulky Corviknight
176: Bulky Cloyster
189: Fast Crustle
192: Bulky Blastoise
196: Bulky Goodra, Bulky Mandibuzz
198: Bulky Milotic
206: Bulky Indeedee-F, Bulky Rillaboom
207: Max Speed Crustle
209: Fast Crawdaunt
212: Bulky Dubwool
218: Max Speed Eiscue (Ice Cube)
219: Fast Primarina, Fast Incineroar
221: Fast Tyranitar
226: Bulky Arcanine, Bulky Kyurem, Bulky Obstagoon, Bulky Silvally
228: Bulky Mimikyu
229: Fast Sirfetch’d, Max Speed Crawdaunt
236: Bulky Celebi, Bulky Jirachi
239: Fast Bisharp, Fast Cloyster
240: Max Speed Bewear, Max Speed Eldegoss, Max Speed Incineroar, Max Speed Primarina
243: Fast Tsareena, Max Speed Tyranitar
249: Fast Toxtricity
251: Max Speed Sirfetch’d
255: Fast Blastoise, Fast Diggersby
259: Fast Chandelure
261: Fast Gyarados
262: Max Speed Bisharp
267: Max Speed Tsareena
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Duraludon, Fast Rillaboom, Fast Sawk
271: Fast Rotom Formes
273: Max Speed Dracovish, Max Speed Dracozolt, Max Speed Toxtricity
275: Fast Excadrill
280: Max Speed Blastoise, Max Speed Diggersby
284: Max Speed Chandelure, Max Speed Gardevoir, Max Speed Togekiss
287: Max Speed Gyarados
289: Fast Arcanine, Fast Darmanitan-Galar, Fast Kyurem, Fast Obstagoon, Fast Silvally
291: Fast Mimikyu, Fast Togedemaru
293: Fast Haxorus
295: Fast Hydreigon, Max Speed Duraludon, Max Speed Rillaboom, Max Speed Sawk
298: Max Speed Rotom-Formes
299: Fast Celebi, Fast Jirachi
302: Max Speed Excadrill
317: Max Speed Arcanine, Max Speed Darmanitan-Galar, Fast Kyurem, Max Speed Indeedee, Max Speed Obstagoon, Max Speed Silvally
320: Bulky Dragapult, Max Speed Mimikyu, Max Speed Togedemaru
322: Max Speed Haxorus
324: Max Speed Hydreigon
328: Max Speed Celebi, Max Speed Jirachi
335: Fast Hawlucha
337: Fast Cinderace
346: Max Speed Keldeo, Max Speed Virizion, Max Speed Terrakion, Max Speed Cobalion
348: Max Speed Durant, Max Speed Ninetales-Alola
350: Max Speed Gengar, Max Speed Espeon
366: Max Speed Salazzle
368: Max Speed Hawlucha
370: Max Speed Cinderace
372: Max Speed Intelleon
373: Scarf Fast Dracovish, Scarf Fast Dracozolt
382: Scarf Fast Diggersby
383: Fast Dragapult
385: Fast Zeraora
388: Scarf Fast Chandelure
391: +1 Fast Gyarados
394: Max Speed Eiscue (No Ice)
398: +2 Fast Crustle
403: Scarf Fast Sawk, Scarf Fast Toxicitry
406: Scarf Fast Rotom formes
409: Scarf Max Speed Dracovish, Scarf Max Speed Dracozolt
412: Scarf Fast Excadrill
414: +2 Max Speed Crustle
420: Scarf Max Speed Diggersby
421: Max Speed Dragapult
423: Max Speed Zeraora
426: Scarf Max Speed Gardevoir, Scarf Max Speed Togekiss, Scarf Max Speed Chandelure
430: +1 Max Speed Gyarados
433: Scarf Fast Darmanitan-Galar, Scarf Fast Indeedee
439: Scarf Fast Haxorus
442: Scarf Fast Hydreigon, Scarf Max Speed Sawk, Scarf Max Speed Toxicitry
447: Scarf Max Speed Rotom formes
448: Scarf Fast Jirachi
453: Scarf Max Speed Excadrill
475: Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan-Galar, Scarf Max Speed Indeedee
478: +2 Fast Cloyster, Scarf Fast Gengar
483: Scarf Max Speed Haxorus
486: Scarf Max Speed Hydreigon
492: Scarf Max Speed Jirachi
499: Scarf Fast Salazzle
505: Scarf Fast Cinderace
510: +2 Fast Blastoise
522: Scarf Max Speed Durant
525: Scarf Max Speed Gengar
555: Scarf Max Speed Cinderace
560: +2 Max Speed Blastoise
574: Scarf Fast Dragapult
631: Scarf Max Speed Dragapult
670: Unburden Fast Hawlucha
736: Unburden Max Speed Hawlucha


Speed Benchmarks
212: Speed to outspeed Base 95s when you're at +1 or they're at -1 (318 and 211)
214: Speed to outspeed Mimikyu when you're at +1 or they're at -1 (321 and 213)
219: Speed to outspeed base 100s when they're at -1
220: Speed to outspeed base 100s when you're at +1 (330)
281: Speed to outspeed Dragapult when they’re at -1 (280)
282: Speed to outspeed Dragapult when you’re at +1 (423)
Follow the same guidelines as seen here if you wish to submit sets.

Sets:
 
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pqs

u rly thought
Moody has been unbanned from National Dex 1v1! Here's our reasoning below...
11/26/19
I think we should try to look into more on Moody and how it affects the metagame. The only big user of Moody I'd see is Smeargle, but I don't think it would be really good, mostly just Mega Gengar-esque relying on pure hax for some of its matchups.
I don’t think there’s any users that make much use of it regardless of how the ability can be seen as uncompetitive, Glalie makes the most use of it but base 80s across the board with not being able to do a whole lot doesn’t make it banworthy, especially now that there’s no evasion or accuracy added or reduced.
If regular SWSH 1v1 can't make Moody strats work I seriously doubt the much more powercrept natdex 1v1 will see any issues.
No evasion means that nothing is able to really abuse it, and everything that gets moody has terrible stats.
Too powerful, I think it would be better if he stayed banished. What he's abusing are sweepers with good stats so they can easily place themselves all the better than cleaning
the voting was originally on discord so this isn't the longest reasoning but yeah
 
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AAA 1v1
Led by Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
AAA 1v1 (Almost Any Ability 1v1) is a metagame where any Pokémon can have (almost) any ability. This completely changes the way the game is played because you can come to face a Lightning Rod Gyarados, which then surprisingly gets defeated by Mold Breaker Vikavolt. The possibilities are endless.

Bans: Sturdy, Huge Power, Pure Power, Intrepid Sword, Gorilla Tactics, Fur Coat, Ice Scales, Moody, Prankster, Parental Bond, Protean, Libero, Simple, Speed Boost, Water Bubble, Wonder Guard, No Guard, Imposter, Normalize, Psychic Surge, Shadow Shield, Multiscale, Hustle
Unbans: -
Added rules: Ignore Illegal Abilities

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules -Sturdy, -Huge Power, -Pure Power, -Intrepid Sword, -Gorilla Tactics, -Fur Coat, -Ice Scales, -Moody, -Prankster, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Libero, -Simple, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -No Guard, -Imposter, -Normalize, -Psychic Surge, -Shadow Shield, -Multiscale, -Hustle, !Obtainable Abilities
/tour name AAA 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall AAA 1v1! You can use (almost) any ability!


Council
Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
SUSTENANCE_1
Arai
Pokesartoolcay
AllFourtyOne

Resources
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I COULD BE BANNED!
NatDex 1v1 VR Nomination: :melmetal: -> B: I know this is a huge jump, but let me explain. Melmetal's niche isn't discernible over Mega Metagross or Mega Aggron. I asked why the council put it up so high, and my answer was high HP. First, take a look at how shabby its special bulk is, and how its access to items doesn't help much:
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Blast Burn vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Occa Berry Melmetal in Sun: 402-474 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Well, at least helps it hard counter Dragonite with the combination of Rock Tomb -> Ice Punch, as Firium Z Dragonite simply can't kill it:
252+ SpA Dragonite Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Melmetal: 348-410 (73.4 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
even after Extreme Speed:
0- Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 24-29 (5 - 6.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever
if it has that type of bulk (specially defensive Mega Mawile ha ha). Otherwise it looks like it can maybe tank Zygarde with some physical investment:
+1 0 Atk Zygarde-Complete Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 426-504 (89.8 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
until you realize something else, it can't even OHKO with the investment needed to beat Firium Z Dragonite, and that's in base forme without investment:
0 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 300-356 (84 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Maximum investment? No.
252+ Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde: 292-348 (69.5 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
About Donphan, at least it has a chance to win:
252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 446-528 (94 - 111.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Donphan Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 17-20 (3.5 - 4.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Considering these calcs, the only other Pokemon in the S- or A-ranks it can beat is Landorus-T (with some investment), but some Lando sets beat it anyway:
  1. Bulk Up + Groundium Z
  2. Adamant Groundium Z
  3. Any set with moderate bulk investment
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 468-552 (98.7 - 116.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 340-400 (106.5 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 518-612 (109.2 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Melmetal can either take the Defense investment needed to beat Landorus-T and Donphan or take the Special Defense investment needed to beat Dragonite, and that's a compromise that further shatters its viability when you have better choices in Mega Metagross and Mega Aggron.
 
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NatDex 1v1 VR Nomination: :melmetal: -> B: I know this is a huge jump, but let me explain. Melmetal's niche isn't discernible over Mega Metagross or Mega Aggron. I asked pqs why he put it so high, and he said that every other member of the council disagreed and that he only put it there for high HP. First, take a look at how shabby its special bulk is, and how its access to items doesn't help much:
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Blast Burn vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Occa Berry Melmetal in Sun: 402-474 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Well, at least helps it hard counter Dragonite with the combination of Rock Tomb -> Ice Punch, as Firium Z Dragonite simply can't kill it:
252+ SpA Dragonite Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Melmetal: 348-410 (73.4 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
even after Extreme Speed:
0- Atk Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 24-29 (5 - 6.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever
if it has that type of bulk (specially defensive Mega Mawile ha ha). Otherwise it looks like it can maybe tank Zygarde with some physical investment:
+1 0 Atk Zygarde-Complete Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 426-504 (89.8 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
until you realize something else, it can't even OHKO with the investment needed to beat Firium Z Dragonite, and that's in base forme without investment:
0 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 300-356 (84 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Maximum investment? No.
252+ Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde: 292-348 (69.5 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
About Donphan, at least it has a chance to win:
252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 446-528 (94 - 111.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Donphan Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 17-20 (3.5 - 4.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Considering these calcs, the only other Pokemon in the S- or A-ranks it can beat is Landorus-T (with some investment), but some Lando sets beat it anyway:
  1. Bulk Up + Groundium Z
  2. Adamant Groundium Z
  3. Any set with moderate bulk investment
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 468-552 (98.7 - 116.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 340-400 (106.5 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Melmetal: 518-612 (109.2 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Melmetal can either take the Defense investment needed to beat Landorus-T and Donphan or take the Special Defense investment needed to beat Dragonite, and that's a compromise that further shatters its viability when you have better choices in Mega Metagross and Mega Aggron.
yeah i guess you're right, on the outside it looks considerably good due to good hp and defense, but i guess when looking in-depth at it, it's fairy outclassed by threats like mmetagross. i will talk with the vr council (same as normal council) about this.
 
AAA 1v1
Led by Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
AAA 1v1 (Almost Any Ability 1v1) is a metagame where any Pokémon can have (almost) any ability. This completely changes the way the game is played because you can come to face a Lightning Rod Gyarados, which then surprisingly gets defeated by Mold Breaker Vikavolt. The possibilities are endless.

Bans: Sturdy, Huge Power, Pure Power, Intrepid Sword, Gorilla Tactics, Fur Coat, Ice Scales, Moody, Prankster, Parental Bond, Protean, Libero, Simple, Speed Boost, Water Bubble, Wonder Guard, No Guard, Imposter, Normalize, Psychic Surge, Shadow Shield, Multiscale, Hustle
Unbans: -
Added rules: Ignore Illegal Abilities

/tour create gen81v1, elimination/rr
/tour rules -Sturdy, -Huge Power, -Pure Power, -Intrepid Sword, -Gorilla Tactics, -Fur Coat, -Ice Scales, -Moody, -Prankster, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Libero, -Simple, -Speed Boost, -Water Bubble, -Wonder Guard, -No Guard, -Imposter, -Normalize, -Psychic Surge, -Shadow Shield, -Multiscale, -Hustle, !Obtainable Abilities
/tour name AAA 1v1
OPTIONAL: /tour autostart 5
OPTIONAL: /wall AAA 1v1! You can use (almost) any ability!


Council
Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
SUSTENANCE_1
Arai
Pokesartoolcay
AllFourtyOne

Resources
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Neutralizing gas was recently banned from standard AAA. Is the council of 1v1 AAA considering action against it?
Please this shit is so stupid
 

Lkjc

Formerly Lkjchjdhbjidcgjhd
The AAA 1v1 Council has banned Neutralizing Gas!
Here’s our reasoning:
I think it’s too early in the meta right now to know for sure, and nothing really abuses it right now
we still havent found a solid abuser and it is a good answer to hyper offense
havent built yet
Gas is straight broken in this meta. It’s good on basically every defensive mon because no more adaptability, etc. as well as it’s good on basically every offensive pokemon because no more intimidate, immunities, prankster, or anything. The ability it the definition of unfair for the AAA format because of how the entire game revolves around abilities.
Literally just a “no u” to any form a strategy you wish to use. I don’t see how nullifying you opponent’s ability in such a heavy ability based format is fair. Like VG said it’s also just good on every offensive mon. “Nothing really abuses it” is wrong when you can easily slap it on a Pokemon that is scared of meeting an opponent with a stab immune ability and such.

Ban wins with 2/3 vote which is greater than the 3/5 needed to win.
 

Cantius

I COULD BE BANNED!
Here is the 1v1 viability rankings with the Pokemon banned from UU 1v1 struck out (all information was correct at the time of posting):
S Rank
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Darmanitan-Galar
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Dragapult
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Mew
S- Rank
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Sableye
A+ Rank
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Mimikyu
A Rank
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Dracovish
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Sylveon
A- Rank
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Aegislash
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Corviknight
Crustle
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Haxorus
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Sawk
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Whimsicott
B+ Rank
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Corsola-Galar
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Excadrill
Hydreigon
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Togekiss
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Tyranitar
B Rank
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Bewear
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Chandelure
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Cinderace

Dracozolt
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Duraludon
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Ferrothorn
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Golisopod
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Rhyperior
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Weezing-Galar
B- Rank
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Arcanine

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Conkeldurr
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Durant
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Gastrodon
Goodra
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Grimmsnarl
Mandibuzz
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Milotic
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Rotom-Heat
Snorlax
C+ Rank
Diggersby
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Dubwool
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Indeedee-Male
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Indeedee-Female
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Reuniclus
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Rotom-Wash
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Type: Null
C Rank
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Alcremie
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Appletun
Cloyster
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Copperajah
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Eiscue
Gardevoir
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Gengar
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Inteleon
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Quagsire
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Rillaboom
Scrafty
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Silvally
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Toxapex
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Vaporeon
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Wishiwashi
C- Rank
Eldegoss
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Gyarados
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Hatterene
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Obstagoon
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Pyukumuku
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Sirfetch'd
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Togedemaru
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Toxtricity
Umbreon
D Rank
Centiskorch
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Drampa
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Mudsdale
Orbeetle
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Trevenant
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Tsareena
Here's a version without the banned mons at all:
B Rank
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Bewear
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Chandelure
Dracozolt
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Duraludon
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Ferrothorn
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Rhyperior
B- Rank
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Durant
Goodra
Mandibuzz
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Milotic
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Rotom-Heat
Snorlax
C+ Rank
Diggersby
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Dubwool
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Indeedee-Male
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Indeedee-Female
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Reuniclus
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Type: Null
C Rank
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Alcremie
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Appletun
Cloyster
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Copperajah
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Eiscue
Gardevoir
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Gengar
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Inteleon
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Quagsire
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Rillaboom
Scrafty
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Silvally
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Toxapex
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Vaporeon
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Wishiwashi
C- Rank
Eldegoss
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Gyarados
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Hatterene
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Obstagoon
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Pyukumuku
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Sirfetch'd
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Togedemaru
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Toxtricity
Umbreon
D Rank
Centiskorch
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Drampa
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Mudsdale
Orbeetle
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Trevenant
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Tsareena
All Pokemon in the S, S-, A+, A, A-, and B+ tiers are banned. The lowest-ranked banned Pokemon is in C+ tier (Rotom-W). Milotic barely escaped being banned by about 0.04 percentage points.

Edit: added V2.
 
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pqs

u rly thought
After discussing some VR shifts over Discord, me and the VR council decided to move these Pokemon around on NatDex 1v1.

:inteleon: Inteleon B -> C+
:avalugg: Avalugg C+ -> B-
:weezing-galar: Weezing-Galar B -> B-
:zygarde-complete: Zygarde-Complete A -> A-
:mew: Mew S -> A+
:genesect: Genesect -> B+ (wasn't on the vr previously, accidentally removed)

If you want to discuss any of these changes with us, feel free to check out the National Dex 1v1 Discord!
 

Cantius

I COULD BE BANNED!
New Pokemon of Interest to TC

Definitions of tiers:
Top: I predict that these will become premier threats.
Middle: Pokemon that will probably be viable but not exceptional.
Bottom: Pokemon without evolutions or good NFEs/LCs, either outclassed or just bad.

High: :centiskorch:
Mid: none
Low: :frosmoth: :orbeetle:
High: :grimmsnarl:
Mid: :obstagoon:
Low: :morpeko: :thievul:
High: :dragapult:
Mid: :dracovish: :dracozolt: :duraludon:
Low: :appletun: :flapple:
High: :toxtricity:
Mid: :dracozolt:
Low: :arctozolt: :boltund: :morpeko: :pincurchin:
High: :weezing-galar:
Mid: :alcremie: :rapidash-galar:
Low: :grimmsnarl: :hatterene:
High: none
Mid: :sirfetch
Low: :falinks: :grapploct:
High: none
Mid: :cinderace: :coalossal:
Low: :centiskorch:
High: none
Mid: :corviknight:
Low: :cramorant:
High: :dragapult:
Mid: :corsola-galar:
Low: :cursola: :polteageist: :runerigus:
High: none
Mid: :appletun: :rillaboom:
Low: :eldegoss: :flapple:
High: none
Mid: :runerigus:
Low: :sandaconda: :stunfisk-galar:
High: :darmanitan-galar: :mr-rime:
Mid: :arctovish: :frosmoth:
Low: :arctozolt: :eiscue:
High: :dubwool:
Mid: :obstagoon:
Low: :greedent: :indeedee:

Edit: Indeedee is high if Meloetta is banned.
High: none
Mid: :coalossal: :drednaw:
Low: :stonjourner:
High: :toxtricity:
Mid: none
Low: :weezing-galar:
High: :orbeetle:
Mid: :rapidash-galar:
Low: :hatterene: :indeedee: :mr-rime:
High: none
Mid: :copperajah: :corviknight: :perrserker: :stunfisk-galar:
Low: :duraludon:
High: none
Mid: :arctovish: :dracovish:
Low: :barraskewda: :cramorant: :drednaw: :inteleon:
 
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Where tf is Snom? Biggest new Pokemon of interest added to Ice...

And I fee like Corviknight is a High prio both for Flying and Steel TC. Bulk Up+Roost+Brave Bird for Flying TC, and Iron Defense+Roost+BodyPress for Steel TC hits like high hell, and is nearly a staple for both....
 

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