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2012/2013 Soccer/Football thread
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Like I said, I'm not denying that Wilshere is a brilliant player, and probably better than Cleverley, but to call him Championship quality is just ignorant.
definitely joe allen
however if tiote was sold, that would've been the biggest coup. its funny how many fans believed we could have had £25 mil from his sale january last year
however if tiote was sold, that would've been the biggest coup. its funny how many fans believed we could have had £25 mil from his sale january last year
Just tell me what Cleverley does on the football field. He contributes absolutely nothing.
he completely miss hits crosses that fly into the top corner and claims they are intentional
honestly, heres a better debate. cleverley or allen? who cares if they are different players
honestly, heres a better debate. cleverley or allen? who cares if they are different players
I'm starting to think you're all ABUs now.
If you've watched United play this season (how couldn't you have, they're on TV like every fucking weekend), then you'll see how Cleverley injects pace and tempo into what is one of the most lethargic United midfields in years. He makes good passes, good runs, and works hard for the team.
I wasn't even aware we were debating Cleverley Vs Wilshere. Pretty much everyone here accepts that Wilshere is better. But shit, just because Wilshere is better, doesn't mean you have to bring down Cleverley for absolutely no reason.
I think you're all saying he's bad because you've still got Wilshere's performance engraved in your minds. And no doubt he was masterful against Brazil. But that has no bearing on how individually good Cleverley is. I mean, Wilshere looks bad compared to Messi, does that mean Wilshere is "championship quality?" No, it doesn't. Stop comparing players, and judge them on their individual merits.
On a different note, Michu is signing of the season for me too. Sissoko is great as well, give him another season and he'll be on another level I reckon.
PS: True neutral here btw, I don't support any club, so you can't accuse me of being biased. I just like football.
If you've watched United play this season (how couldn't you have, they're on TV like every fucking weekend), then you'll see how Cleverley injects pace and tempo into what is one of the most lethargic United midfields in years. He makes good passes, good runs, and works hard for the team.
I wasn't even aware we were debating Cleverley Vs Wilshere. Pretty much everyone here accepts that Wilshere is better. But shit, just because Wilshere is better, doesn't mean you have to bring down Cleverley for absolutely no reason.
I think you're all saying he's bad because you've still got Wilshere's performance engraved in your minds. And no doubt he was masterful against Brazil. But that has no bearing on how individually good Cleverley is. I mean, Wilshere looks bad compared to Messi, does that mean Wilshere is "championship quality?" No, it doesn't. Stop comparing players, and judge them on their individual merits.
On a different note, Michu is signing of the season for me too. Sissoko is great as well, give him another season and he'll be on another level I reckon.
PS: True neutral here btw, I don't support any club, so you can't accuse me of being biased. I just like football.
Ooh, sorry for the double post, but I wanted to bring this up.
Gareth Bale: after yet another match winning display for Spurs, I have a few questions about him for y'all.
1.) Do you see him leaving Spurs in the summer?
2.) If so, to which club?
3.) What value do you put him at?
Personally I'm pretty sure he'll wait to see how spurs fare in the Champions League (assuming they qualify; if not then I think he'll just leave asap). If spurs crash and burn like city, he'll push for a January move, if Spurs do well, I think he'll remain there for a while.
I'm really not sure about which club he'd move to though. Barca may want a replacement for Villa, who's leaving in the summer, but they have Tello, and I doubt they'll pay that much for Bale. Real don't need him, they have Ronaldo. City could push for him, but they're not famous for their use of widemen. I think Bayern may go for him; not sure how old Ribery is now, but he's getting on, and Robben is becoming increasingly injury prone.
Personally, I think Spurs could fetch around £40 million with no problems. Torres cost £50 million so...
Gareth Bale: after yet another match winning display for Spurs, I have a few questions about him for y'all.
1.) Do you see him leaving Spurs in the summer?
2.) If so, to which club?
3.) What value do you put him at?
Personally I'm pretty sure he'll wait to see how spurs fare in the Champions League (assuming they qualify; if not then I think he'll just leave asap). If spurs crash and burn like city, he'll push for a January move, if Spurs do well, I think he'll remain there for a while.
I'm really not sure about which club he'd move to though. Barca may want a replacement for Villa, who's leaving in the summer, but they have Tello, and I doubt they'll pay that much for Bale. Real don't need him, they have Ronaldo. City could push for him, but they're not famous for their use of widemen. I think Bayern may go for him; not sure how old Ribery is now, but he's getting on, and Robben is becoming increasingly injury prone.
Personally, I think Spurs could fetch around £40 million with no problems. Torres cost £50 million so...
"His opinion" does not stop him from being ignorant. If it's my opinion that 2+2=5, am I immune to criticism? No.
Wilshere is brilliant, Cleverley is decent. There, argument over.
nope.
You have no idea how easy it is to look "decent" for Man Utd. Cleverley is at the level of Phil Bardsley and Danny Simpson (other man utd academy products who barely play for their clubs).
Very composed finish from Gareth Barry.
City have not won any of their games on the PL since Balo left.
i hope they keep up their form against us