I believe there would be more streaks with Weavile if it was able to OHKO a Latios, but it's just a range
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Hi everyone! Hereby I’m posting an ongoing streak of 504 in the Platinum Battle Tower, singles. The streak is on retail.
Originally my plan for getting a solid win streak was to use a (solo) Drapion team with an Uxie lead and Skarm with Sturdy in order to stop QC OHKO bs. I had done many attempts with this team, but I wasn’t quite satisfied with certain weaknesses it still possessed, no matter how much I theorymon’d my strats. The other thing about that team is that it is incredibly slow to have to set up Drapion everytime, since it’s your only win condition.
I grinded my way to over 400 wins with the solo Drapion team, but I eventually lost at battle 415. After that loss, I told myself I wasn't going through that ordeal again, and that I would use a faster team for the first couple hundred battles until I would consider doing attempts again with the solo Drapion team.
During my attempts with this "faster team," I changed my mind because I ended up enjoying using it, so I kept using it which led to my current streak of 504!
Originally my plan for getting a solid win streak was to use a (solo) Drapion team with an Uxie lead and Skarm with Sturdy in order to stop QC OHKO bs. I had done many attempts with this team, but I wasn’t quite satisfied with certain weaknesses it still possessed, no matter how much I theorymon’d my strats. The other thing about that team is that it is incredibly slow to have to set up Drapion everytime, since it’s your only win condition.
I grinded my way to over 400 wins with the solo Drapion team, but I eventually lost at battle 415. After that loss, I told myself I wasn't going through that ordeal again, and that I would use a faster team for the first couple hundred battles until I would consider doing attempts again with the solo Drapion team.
During my attempts with this "faster team," I changed my mind because I ended up enjoying using it, so I kept using it which led to my current streak of 504!
The team:
@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EV’s: 252 hp, 212 def, 44 speed
Bold Nature
IV’s: 31/16/31/31/31/31
- Trick
- Thunder Wave
- Flash
- Memento
@ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EV’s: 252 hp, 100 atk, 146 def, 12 sp.def
Careful Nature
IV’s: 31/31/31/30/31/31
- Substitute
- Curse
- Amnesia
- Iron Head
@ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EV’s: 252 atk, 252 speed, 4 def
Jolly Nature
IV’s: 31/31/31/31/31/31
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
The team I use is very similar to Peterko’s team (and others using Registeel) except that I use Latios over Latias, so credits to him. Huge credits to Jumpman16 and Peterko in general for getting 2k+ streaks. That is absolutely insane, especially in the Platinum/HGSS Tower.
I prefer Latios over Latias because he's one of my favorite Pokémon, and I prefer looking at him rather than Latias for an extended period of time, which is what happens during Battle Tower attempts. As stated before, the team originally wasn’t meant to be my main team but I enjoyed it so I kept going with it. Using Latios gives me access to Memento, which I always been a fan of since it gives me more flexibility in setting up Garchomp on opponents locked into status moves or low PP moves. It also has the benefit of not having to risk switching in Garchomp and taking a crit from a "safe move". There are situations Charm + Latias’ slightly better bulk would come in handy, but overall the team has been working well! Latios has been given 44 speed EV’s in order to reach 136 speed, which is enough to outspeed Metagross4 after Trick.
Registeel and Garchomp are self-explanatory. Registeel sets up on everything that is able to break Garchomp’s Sub. If Registeel gets frozen I PP stall the ice move and will set up Garchomp on Struggle. I always want to try to have a sub up with Registeel when the 2nd Pokemon comes in. This can mean that I will try to make the lead Pokemon die to Struggle while I'm using Substitute in case it breaks my current sub with a Struggle crit. Garchomp is given 4 Defense EVs to achieve an odd HP stat, allowing it to use Substitute four times. If I have the opportunity I will try not to sacrifice Latios.
When I can I will try to set up Garchomp over Registeel vs PI trainers. This is because the 2nd Pokemon can be QC Donphan4 which can give Registeel trouble. For example when I face Pinsir lead and lock it into X-Scissor, I will count X-Scissor and PP stall, switch back to Latios on Struggle, then use Thunder Wave + Memento and set up Garchomp.
Threat list:
• Rhydon4: An opponent that has crushed many high streaks on the leaderboard. QC Horn Drill OHKO is almost a guaranteed defeat. Really hate
• Machamp3: if Machamp3 QC Ice Punch freezes me I'm dead. Really hate
• Abomasnow1-4: Hail is annoying, really limits me in setting up. Locking Abomasnow into Sheer Cold is also dangerous if he keeps hitting Garchomp’s sub. Hate
• Rapidash3: Leading with Trick is too risky, cause it outspeeds Garchomp and can be locked into Horn Drill. Best to lead with Thunder Wave, then switch to Registeel. If Latios dies to Horn Drill, switch in Garchomp.
• Kingler3: Leading with Trick is too risky, cause it outspeeds Garchomp and can be locked into Guillotine. Start with Thunder Wave. If Latios dies to Guillotine, burn Guillotine PP with Registeel. Kingler3 is dangerous, since it can break Registeel's sub with Crabhammer when Registeel's defense stat isn't raised.
• Gliscor3: I'm dead if it is locked into Guillotine and it hits 4 times in a row.
• Wailord4: switch between Registeel and Latios to burn Blizzard and Fissure/Hydro Pump PP.
• Lapras2: dangerous if it Quick Claw OHKO's Latios. Best to switch in Garchomp and try to use Substitute.
• Empoleon3: best to switch between Registeel and Latios and burn Blizzard PP because of Quick Claw.
• Salamence4/Garchomp4/Dragonite4: When locked into Outrage it can be risky if it crits Registeel. Immediately set up Sub with Registeel against them. Outrage does 11 hp damage at +6 Registeel defense
• Zapdos1-4: could be locked into U-turn which is annoying. I prefer to lead with Thunder Wave against it.
• Yanmega1-4: best to switch to Registeel immediately since it could be U-turn Yanmega2 which is annoying when it U-turns on Latios.
• Gastrodon4: switch between Registeel and Latios to burn Earth Power and Ice Beam PP. Then Flash x6 + Memento.
• Rampardos1-4: Probably best to lead out with Memento, since I've seen Rampardos4 use Earthquake against Latios due to Mold Breaker which is annoying. I try to outstall it with Registeel if it's locked into Head Smash. If it's Rampardos3 I will switch to Garchomp after Memento, then switch to Registeel to absorb Head Smash. Then switch between them to burn Head Smash PP and set up Garchomp.
• Staraptor4: Safer to use Trick over Memento since CB Staraptor hits like a truck with crit. Then set up with Registeel
@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EV’s: 252 hp, 212 def, 44 speed
Bold Nature
IV’s: 31/16/31/31/31/31
- Trick
- Thunder Wave
- Flash
- Memento
@ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EV’s: 252 hp, 100 atk, 146 def, 12 sp.def
Careful Nature
IV’s: 31/31/31/30/31/31
- Substitute
- Curse
- Amnesia
- Iron Head
@ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EV’s: 252 atk, 252 speed, 4 def
Jolly Nature
IV’s: 31/31/31/31/31/31
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
The team I use is very similar to Peterko’s team (and others using Registeel) except that I use Latios over Latias, so credits to him. Huge credits to Jumpman16 and Peterko in general for getting 2k+ streaks. That is absolutely insane, especially in the Platinum/HGSS Tower.
I prefer Latios over Latias because he's one of my favorite Pokémon, and I prefer looking at him rather than Latias for an extended period of time, which is what happens during Battle Tower attempts. As stated before, the team originally wasn’t meant to be my main team but I enjoyed it so I kept going with it. Using Latios gives me access to Memento, which I always been a fan of since it gives me more flexibility in setting up Garchomp on opponents locked into status moves or low PP moves. It also has the benefit of not having to risk switching in Garchomp and taking a crit from a "safe move". There are situations Charm + Latias’ slightly better bulk would come in handy, but overall the team has been working well! Latios has been given 44 speed EV’s in order to reach 136 speed, which is enough to outspeed Metagross4 after Trick.
Registeel and Garchomp are self-explanatory. Registeel sets up on everything that is able to break Garchomp’s Sub. If Registeel gets frozen I PP stall the ice move and will set up Garchomp on Struggle. I always want to try to have a sub up with Registeel when the 2nd Pokemon comes in. This can mean that I will try to make the lead Pokemon die to Struggle while I'm using Substitute in case it breaks my current sub with a Struggle crit. Garchomp is given 4 Defense EVs to achieve an odd HP stat, allowing it to use Substitute four times. If I have the opportunity I will try not to sacrifice Latios.
When I can I will try to set up Garchomp over Registeel vs PI trainers. This is because the 2nd Pokemon can be QC Donphan4 which can give Registeel trouble. For example when I face Pinsir lead and lock it into X-Scissor, I will count X-Scissor and PP stall, switch back to Latios on Struggle, then use Thunder Wave + Memento and set up Garchomp.
Threat list:
• Rhydon4: An opponent that has crushed many high streaks on the leaderboard. QC Horn Drill OHKO is almost a guaranteed defeat. Really hate
• Machamp3: if Machamp3 QC Ice Punch freezes me I'm dead. Really hate
• Abomasnow1-4: Hail is annoying, really limits me in setting up. Locking Abomasnow into Sheer Cold is also dangerous if he keeps hitting Garchomp’s sub. Hate
• Rapidash3: Leading with Trick is too risky, cause it outspeeds Garchomp and can be locked into Horn Drill. Best to lead with Thunder Wave, then switch to Registeel. If Latios dies to Horn Drill, switch in Garchomp.
• Kingler3: Leading with Trick is too risky, cause it outspeeds Garchomp and can be locked into Guillotine. Start with Thunder Wave. If Latios dies to Guillotine, burn Guillotine PP with Registeel. Kingler3 is dangerous, since it can break Registeel's sub with Crabhammer when Registeel's defense stat isn't raised.
• Gliscor3: I'm dead if it is locked into Guillotine and it hits 4 times in a row.
• Wailord4: switch between Registeel and Latios to burn Blizzard and Fissure/Hydro Pump PP.
• Lapras2: dangerous if it Quick Claw OHKO's Latios. Best to switch in Garchomp and try to use Substitute.
• Empoleon3: best to switch between Registeel and Latios and burn Blizzard PP because of Quick Claw.
• Salamence4/Garchomp4/Dragonite4: When locked into Outrage it can be risky if it crits Registeel. Immediately set up Sub with Registeel against them. Outrage does 11 hp damage at +6 Registeel defense
• Zapdos1-4: could be locked into U-turn which is annoying. I prefer to lead with Thunder Wave against it.
• Yanmega1-4: best to switch to Registeel immediately since it could be U-turn Yanmega2 which is annoying when it U-turns on Latios.
• Gastrodon4: switch between Registeel and Latios to burn Earth Power and Ice Beam PP. Then Flash x6 + Memento.
• Rampardos1-4: Probably best to lead out with Memento, since I've seen Rampardos4 use Earthquake against Latios due to Mold Breaker which is annoying. I try to outstall it with Registeel if it's locked into Head Smash. If it's Rampardos3 I will switch to Garchomp after Memento, then switch to Registeel to absorb Head Smash. Then switch between them to burn Head Smash PP and set up Garchomp.
• Staraptor4: Safer to use Trick over Memento since CB Staraptor hits like a truck with crit. Then set up with Registeel
Some battles I recorded, everytime I passed a new hundred mark.
Battles 197-203:
Battles 295-301:
Battles 400-406:
Battles 498-504:
Battles 197-203:
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I don't know what you mean. The appeal of this mod clearly lies in the fast HP bars.
I think this is a great streak and part of a valuable cross-generational effort to demonstrate how good Weavile is (Peterko, turskain (Subway Crustle unforgotten), Lumari) -- fast Ice STAB is "basically Moonblast", Dark has great complementary neutral coverage as always, Heatran hits everything (I assume) that resists both of Weavile's attacks, and Ice + Ground is another standard coverage package for very good reason -- unfortunately there are no good STAB Earth Powers in Gen4. Ice + Fighting is really good too (and benefits further from Dark coverage), possibly worth exploring (Infernape for double FO?)
I endorse your idea of HP Grass Zappy coverage -- this move is what catapulted Suicune from decent to great in Gen5 for me and afaik Brucolac as well, for the same reason that all Waters need checking, although Zapdos obviously has less frequent need for it than Cune. It's usually better to introduce another attack type into the mix than double up on one, even if the coverage is nominally better on the individual mon, in 4v4 facilities (offense) teams -- the instructive example is Gen7 EisenRain running HP Fire specifically for one Pokémon (the potato) because it is otherwise unmanageable with the attack mix
as for Fake Out leads, think there is some potential in Gen4 Kangaskhan and perhaps Raichu (even without LRod here, because pure Electric is simply a great type), too
Also I believe that a purely-cosmetic mod should not be an obstacle to getting featured on any leaderboard, nor should pure engine improvements like faster HP bars; the one sport-relevant thing I could see that this mod actually seems to affect is Attract hax
I endorse your idea of HP Grass Zappy coverage -- this move is what catapulted Suicune from decent to great in Gen5 for me and afaik Brucolac as well, for the same reason that all Waters need checking, although Zapdos obviously has less frequent need for it than Cune. It's usually better to introduce another attack type into the mix than double up on one, even if the coverage is nominally better on the individual mon, in 4v4 facilities (offense) teams -- the instructive example is Gen7 EisenRain running HP Fire specifically for one Pokémon (the potato) because it is otherwise unmanageable with the attack mix
as for Fake Out leads, think there is some potential in Gen4 Kangaskhan and perhaps Raichu (even without LRod here, because pure Electric is simply a great type), too
Also I believe that a purely-cosmetic mod should not be an obstacle to getting featured on any leaderboard, nor should pure engine improvements like faster HP bars; the one sport-relevant thing I could see that this mod actually seems to affect is Attract hax
Yeah, ofc you have better options. But a fast and poweful FO lead that can threaten basically every Ghost and Dragon in the game is certainly a thing.
Fake Out can help push for a KO against Latios and Starmie.
I do think it has a niche that is not yet explored enough, with its speed, coverage and not the least a freeze-immunity. I just wanted to say, that I believe more people would have given it a shot if it had a guaranteed KO on Latios (or Starmie).
Interesting pick of Heatran as co-lead btw, I guess it has nice synergy. (Heatran imo is also underexplored in Doubles. I think people are afraid of EQ, but in practice it's not such a big problem, at least by my experience)
Coeur7 yes, HP Grass on Cune was very necessary on my team.
Interesting pick of Heatran as co-lead btw, I guess it has nice synergy. (Heatran imo is also underexplored in Doubles. I think people are afraid of EQ, but in practice it's not such a big problem, at least by my experience)
Coeur7 yes, HP Grass on Cune was very necessary on my team.
Yeah, I think you're right about Weavile.
Magpie has used Heatran in Arcade Doubles and so have I in some test runs. Imho it's a great mixed attacker for Doubles, but it really needs a lot of support. Still, it has a pretty relevant niche: it's basically the only fire type you can use for serious streaks
Hi all, I'm a new poster but long time lurker. I just went on a streak of 123 (losing battle 124) in Soul Silver Battle Tower doubles. I wanted to post since it seems like that is in the top 25! Here is the battle video of my loss (google drive link): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-djkjLdROSnzeGMjd3v1fVcFny70ONRU/view
It was an unexpected streak but also an unfortunate ending to some freeze hax. The team is quite strong and can auto pilot. The optimization I think I would make is go Lum on Metagross based on this experience since I often switched into Ice types.
Here is the team I used. It was the DisQuake strategy:
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
- Discharge
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Protect
Latios (M) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
Metagross @ Occa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Protect
It was an unexpected streak but also an unfortunate ending to some freeze hax. The team is quite strong and can auto pilot. The optimization I think I would make is go Lum on Metagross based on this experience since I often switched into Ice types.
Here is the team I used. It was the DisQuake strategy:
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
- Discharge
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Protect
Latios (M) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
Metagross @ Occa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Protect
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Another ZapChomp enthusiast, I see. I also used Metagross alongside them too. Have you thought of using Explosion?
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I frequently used Explosion with Metagross in singles, but wasn’t sure what I’d cut here. I even just recently dropped Meteor Mash for Iron Head to improve accuracy. I used Bullet Punch often for many Ice types and liked the Earthquake coverage. Also felt protect was mandatory alongside the spread users. What set with Explosion could I try?
It's either Protect/Iron Head/Bullet Punch/Explosion or a Choice Scarf set with Iron Head/Ice Punch/Earthquake/Explosion.
Currently on a 70 win streak SS tower singles using Choice Band Tauros, Lum Berry Slowbro, and Leftovers sleep talk Snorlax. If I make it to 100, I'll post the strats! If I don't, you know I got hit by quick claw Walteins sheer cold or brightpowder ruined my day lol
So close... I fell at battle 92.
SS Battle tower singles, here was my team:
Tauros - Jolly - Choice Band
Return, Giga Impact, Outrage, Earthquake
Slowbro - Modest - Lum Berry
Surf, Psychic, Slack Off, Thunder Wave
Snorlax - Careful - Leftovers
Body Slam, Crunch, Rest, Sleep Talk
SS Battle tower singles, here was my team:
Tauros - Jolly - Choice Band
Return, Giga Impact, Outrage, Earthquake
Slowbro - Modest - Lum Berry
Surf, Psychic, Slack Off, Thunder Wave
Snorlax - Careful - Leftovers
Body Slam, Crunch, Rest, Sleep Talk
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How did you lose?
Hi everyone, I'm back with an updated Soul Silver Battle Tower doubles streak. I hit a new streak of 236 wins. Once I hit 105 wins I started recording all of the sets. The playlist can be viewed here: YouTube Playlist
Thank you to RAlexa21th for the Metagross moveset improvement with Explosion, the switch ended up being very useful. I also swapped out Latios for Heatran to help with the Ice matchup. Until next time!
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Discharge
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Protect
Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Protect
Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Bullet Punch
- Explosion
- Protect
Thank you to RAlexa21th for the Metagross moveset improvement with Explosion, the switch ended up being very useful. I also swapped out Latios for Heatran to help with the Ice matchup. Until next time!
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Discharge
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Protect
Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Protect
Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Bullet Punch
- Explosion
- Protect