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5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0

TornadoShaunUK said:
Eh? I thought it could be Shiny if you got it in Dragonspiral Tower rather than N's Castle?

This is what I mean by conflicting information all the time [pulls hair out]
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I've been led to believe that the creators of Pokemon (GameFreak) have programmed the game that Zekrom/Reshiram cannot be shiny at all, sicne you encounter said Pokemon under N's control. As much as I know, I don't think there's a way to RNG abuse N's legend to become shiny at all, and since you're catching the same legend, it won't be shiny.
 
Alternative said:
I've been led to believe that the creators of Pokemon (GameFreak) have programmed the game that Zekrom/Reshiram cannot be shiny at all, sicne you encounter said Pokemon under N's control. As much as I know, I don't think there's a way to RNG abuse N's legend to become shiny at all, and since you're catching the same legend, it won't be shiny.
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True, and Victini has a shiny check too.
 
I just had a hypothesis for that though. If there was some way that you could use the RNG abuse to make the legend under N's control shiny, then wouldn't that make the legend you encounter shiny when you catch it?
 
Alternative said:
I just had a hypothesis for that though. If there was some way that you could use the RNG abuse to make the legend under N's control shiny, then wouldn't that make the legend you encounter shiny when you catch it?
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no.
 
Alternative said:
I've been led to believe that the creators of Pokemon (GameFreak) have programmed the game that Zekrom/Reshiram cannot be shiny at all, sicne you encounter said Pokemon under N's control. As much as I know, I don't think there's a way to RNG abuse N's legend to become shiny at all, and since you're catching the same legend, it won't be shiny.
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I had read that it can't be shiny and you have to catch it UNLESS you have a full party and full PC boxes when you face it. In which case you defeat it and it goes to Dragonspiral Tower. Whereat you can face it with a chance of it being shiny...

So my plan was to obviously get it to the tower, and try and RNG a shiny one there.

Now I don't know what to do.. maybe I will have to settle for trying to RNG a normal one in Ns Castle.

Also does anyone know if you can save right in front of Reshiram in N's Castle and leave to visit a pokemon center etc if need be - if I didn't want to catch him just yet and wanted to try and fill out my PC boxes for instance!
 
TornadoShaunUK said:
Also does anyone know if you can save right in front of Reshiram in N's Castle and leave to visit a pokemon center etc if need be - if I didn't want to catch him just yet and wanted to try and fill out my PC boxes for instance!
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Yes, you can go back to the Plasma grunt and he will send you back.
 
TornadoShaunUK said:
That's the way I learned to do it in HG/SS. I personally found it okay. After you had done the initial calibration you can always input the same values then. I often found on pikatimer I would always need to adjust by about +20 to +30 to hit my target seed in that game. I kept doing it as I got regular results. Managed to RNG every legendary in that game as well as a prize corner proygon and a fossil aerodactyl and a shiny super rodded shellder. Never tried any egg RNG-ing though.
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That's exactly why the process was bad. You would get a result that is up to 60 delays away from what you actually needed. You could get a +/20 result just by using what everyone else uses. So you can see why it's useless work.. Once you get a calibration, you should never have to adjust it.

Riski said:
How do we use c-gear to breed? How do we get a seed to use for breeding on Gen 5 for c-gear?
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Much of breeding is done with the other RNG, nature, ability, inheritance, etc. That makes it difficult to do just yet.



Edit: To clear up the shiny thing, you can RNG for a PID that's supposed to be shiny but the game rejects it and advances the RNG by 1 more. This means that no matter what, the game will skip it. Testing has been done on the full party/PC thing and that doesn't work either. Speculation is that shiny ones will be released as an event in the future, but that's just a thought.
 
TornadoShaunUK said:
That's the way I learned to do it in HG/SS. I personally found it okay. After you had done the initial calibration you can always input the same values then. I often found on pikatimer I would always need to adjust by about +20 to +30 to hit my target seed in that game. I kept doing it as I got regular results. Managed to RNG every legendary in that game as well as a prize corner proygon and a fossil aerodactyl and a shiny super rodded shellder. Never tried any egg RNG-ing though.
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Well, 4th gen games were lucky in that a) they had some good spreads on seeds with low delays and b) they had easy ways of advancing the frame quickly so you could hit high frames. You're probably going to find 5th gen RNGing with the C-Gear a lot less fun if, by button-mashing, you limit yourself to seeds with the desired IVs on high frames.

TornadoShaunUK said:
I had read that it can't be shiny and you have to catch it UNLESS you have a full party and full PC boxes when you face it. In which case you defeat it and it goes to Dragonspiral Tower. Whereat you can face it with a chance of it being shiny...
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Misinformation by Serebii (Kaphotics proved him otherwise). He's since retracted that info.

Rugaji said:
How does frames work for a stationary Pokemon like Kyurem? Since there's wild pokes in the cave, does my frames advance me in anyway?
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Walking around in an area with wild Pokemon will advance the PIDRNG (but not the IVRNG) by one every step you take. Nothing to be concerned about unless you're RNGing shinies, just bring a Synchronizer.
 
OmegaDonut said:
Walking around in an area with wild Pokemon will advance the PIDRNG (but not the IVRNG) by one every step you take. Nothing to be concerned about unless you're RNGing shinies, just bring a Synchronizer.
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So it's the same as RNGing a Reshiram and all you need is a synch?
 
OmegaDonut said:
Well, 4th gen games were lucky in that a) they had some good spreads on seeds with low delays and b) they had easy ways of advancing the frame quickly so you could hit high frames. You're probably going to find 5th gen RNGing with the C-Gear a lot less fun if, by button-mashing, you limit yourself to seeds with the desired IVs on high frames.



Misinformation by Serebii (Kaphotics proved him otherwise). He's since retracted that info.



Walking around in an area with wild Pokemon will advance the PIDRNG (but not the IVRNG) by one every step you take. Nothing to be concerned about unless you're RNGing shinies, just bring a Synchronizer.
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Right so I might as well catch Reshiram at N's Castle for now.

I'd like a shiny reshiram but other than him I'm not fussed, and it sounds like I can't go for him yet afterall.

So Timid or Hasty sync reshiram and try and hit my target seed. I can check this by catching resh and checking his IVs and adjusting the timer according to how much it's off, and repeat until I get the right one.

The frame starts on frame 3.

The only thing that's confusing me now (I think) is frame advancement. So saving the game does not advance the IV RNG by one?

What's the best way to advance the frame infront of Reshiram in N's Tower (or infront of Victini in that house for that matter)...
 
Make 128 steps, that'll advance your frame with 1.

My question: I've got 5 Pokémon in my party, and my spread is on frame 6. Now what? Do I need to get 2 to the box so I have only 3, so when I make 128 steps I'm at frame 6?
 
Yes, apparently unlike Gen 4 talking to the stationary Pokemon does not advance any frame.

In Gen 4, you had to be 1 frame behind before talking to the daycare / stationary Pokemon. In Gen 5, you have to be right on the target frame.
 
So, I turned the C-Gear on when the second timer ran out, made 128 steps and then caught Reshiram. Now I've checked it's IV's, but they cannot be found in a range of +/- 200. What am I doing wrong?
 
Rugaji said:
Yes, apparently unlike Gen 4 talking to the stationary Pokemon does not advance any frame.

In Gen 4, you had to be 1 frame behind before talking to the daycare / stationary Pokemon. In Gen 5, you have to be right on the target frame.
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Ok cool, thanks for that. Ather difference - it's like learning the whole thing over again almost. I know in the lst gen for legendaries I always reached the frame before he target frame before talking to the legendary.

Also just to check, walking 128 steps advances the frame by the number of pokémon in your party. If I were to walk an extra 3 steps or something that wouldn't mess it up would it? I'm thinking do I need to align my steps so that I finish directly infront of the legendary basically!
 
Buckert said:
So, I turned the C-Gear on when the second timer ran out, made 128 steps and then caught Reshiram. Now I've checked it's IV's, but they cannot be found in a range of +/- 200. What am I doing wrong?
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You'll have to try to hit your seed again, and catch Reshiram without doing any advancements to check your seed.
 
Buckert said:
So, I turned the C-Gear on when the second timer ran out, made 128 steps and then caught Reshiram. Now I've checked it's IV's, but they cannot be found in a range of +/- 200. What am I doing wrong?
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It would help if you posted info like IVs you were expecting, IVs you got, what seed, frame, time and delay you're going for, etc. Also the time you turn on the game and the time you start the C-Gear.

Which is one of the requirements when asking for help here.
 
It would help if you posted info like IVs you were expecting, IVs you got, what seed, frame, time and delay you're going for, etc. Also the time you turn on the game and the time you start the C-Gear.]
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Also, since you're using pikatimer, I'd like to know what your first and second timers are to see if those are the issue.
 
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