8th Generation Battle Tower & Restricted Sparring Discussion & Records

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Sword and Shield are nearly here and the opponent set data has been dumped, and it's time to discuss the new battle facility: Battle Tower.

We have a Discord server: https://discord.gg/QrsE2ep
The #treexit channel is for discussion of 8th generation Battle Tower. It also includes #general for 6th and 7th generation discussion and #frontier for 3rd, 4th and 5th generation facility discussion.

Brief Rules
  • Regular Smogon and Orange Islands forum rules apply.

  • Discuss any topics related to Battle Tower: teambuilding, foe sets and trainers, streaks you're working on. Theorymon is also more than welcome.

  • Information and speculation on AI behaviour, as well as mechanics changes is especially appreciated.

  • If you think the AI is cheating, whether in improbable luck, illegal abilities or illegal movesets, please provide footage of the incident if possible. Regarding luck, check out this primer on facility probability by Couer7 first.

  • Streaks as we know them have been removed from the game. The gameplay and battle mechanics remain intact, and streaks for the leaderboard will now exist in the form of the self-imposed Streak Challenge. To participate, track your win streak in repeated Tower rounds in Master Ball MAX rank manually by:

    1) Writing down or screenshotting the amount of Victories at the start of your streak, and when you lose for the first time. Then subtract the former from the latter to get the length of your winning streak!

    2) Alternatively, if the Victories counter maxes out, or turns out to be inaccurate: count the amount of rounds you go through, each of them containing 11 battles each, ending in a battle with Leon. Once you lose, calculate the total amount of battles you won during your winning streak from the amount of rounds you cleared.

  • Singles and Doubles Streak Challenges of 50 wins or more are eligible to be listed on the leaderboard. To submit your streak for the leaderboard, post details of your team and include an estimate of your Streak Challenge's length in your post. This operates on the honor system and we ask you to participate in good faith and not cheat, or forget losses that are not tracked by the Tower itself. Gameplay recordings or streams are appreciated but not necessary.

  • As the Streak Challenge is an arbitrary self-imposed challenge, there are several categories listed. Dynamax allows Dynamax, but prohibits Ubers. Classic additionally disallows using Dynamax to simulate past battle facilities. Unranked allows Ubers and Dynamax, arbitrary self-imposed rules and special challenges such as randomized teams, speedruns, or anything else you can think of that doesn't fall into Dynamax or Classic. If there's demand and players submitting streaks, I'm open to the possibility of additional separate leaderboard categories for things of this nature.

  • As a new addition, with this generation ALL ongoing streaks above 50 wins are eligible for listing, to maintain a more thorough index of teams and encourage streak posts.

  • Not interested in the Streak Challenge? Theorymoning and posting your team is appreciated even if your main focus is elsewhere, such as in BP grinding. Streak-less teams will also be listed in Unranked for completeness.


Useful Resources
*Historical Records*
Battle Tree Discussion and Records
Battle Maison Discussion and Records
Battle Subway Discussion and Records
Battle Tower / Frontier Discussion and Records
Gen III Battle Frontier Discussion and Records

*Trainer Data and Searchable Spreadsheets*
Battle Tower8 Filter (courtesy of SadisticMystic, source data dumped by Kaphotics)
Battle Tower Helper (courtesy of fusionsage)

*Rental Teams*
Trainer Tower's rental team page

*Damage Calculator*
Tree Damage Calculator (not yet updated for SwSh)
8th Generation Battle Tower Calculator (WIP, modified Trainer Tower calculator)


Since we're just getting started and the games are just barely out the door and the major changes, I consider the exact details for the rules to be up for discussion at the moment. If you have ideas or suggestions for what you'd like to see, feel free to discuss in this thread or in Discord, or send me a PM.
 
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We're currently listing three categories: Dynamax, Classic, and Unranked.

Both Dynamax and Classic restrict the use of the following Pokémon: Mewtwo, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Kyurem-W, Kyurem-B, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Necrozma-DM, Necrozma-DW, Marshadow, Melmetal, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus.
Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Keldeo, and Zeraora are allowed.

Dynamax allows use of Dynamax and Gigantamax.

Classic (previously No Dynamax) aims to be similar to battle facilities in previous generations, and prohibits Dynamax on top of the above species restrictions.

Unranked allows all species and Dynamax with no restrictions and includes various non-ranked streak challenges, such as randomized teams, but does not have a ranked leaderboard.


* = Ongoing Streak
Last updated: 26 May 2020


Battle Tower Dynamax Singles Records

#01. Materious17 (100*) - Falinks / Dracovish / Duraludon
#02. Steel With It (50*) - Polteageist / Obstagoon / Aegislash
#02. phoenix0wright (50*) - Gengar / Hydreigon / Primarina

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Battle Tower Dynamax Doubles Records

#01. Josh C. (501*) - Raichu / Gyarados / Grimmsnarl / Aegislash (Rental)
#02. phoenix0wright (286) - Vanilluxe / Froslass / Glaceon / Rapidash
#03. Adamant Zoroark (277*) - Dracovish / Whimsicott / Weezing / Gyarados (Rental), his progress to 277
#04. JustinTR (256) - Pelipper / Rillaboom / Dracovish / Manectric, and how he lost
#05. xHenchman21 (177) - Indeedee / Hatterene / Snorlax / Conkeldurr, and how he lost
#06. meddle (100*) - Musharna / Grimmsnarl / Snorlax / Araquanid
#06. Materious17 (100*) - Hatterene / Grimmsnarl / Cursola / Copperajah
#07. Suspicious Derivative (90*) - Various rental teams (detailed in post)
#08. Purgatory (50*) - Tyranitar / Excadrill / Rotom-W / Togekiss

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Battle Tower Classic Singles Records


#01. littlechandler (262) - Dracovish / Aegislash / Rotom-Mow, and how he lost
#02. TheReflexWonder (76) - Obstagoon / Cloyster / Togekiss, and how he lost

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Battle Tower Classic Doubles Records


#01. JustinTR (649) - Ninetales / Incineroar / Dracovish / Jirachi, and how he lost
#02. Eisenherz (310) - Hatterene / Grimmsnarl / Copperajah / Araquanid
#03. hearthebeard (59) - Dusclops / Silvally / Snorlax / Torkoal

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Battle Tower Unranked Singles Records

ekbaseball - Zacian / Gyarados / Pyukumuku
Magicxgame - Zacian / Gyarados / Eternatus (Rental)
Meleeace1478 (86*) - Eternatus / Inteleon / Darmanitan
Nightmare (103) - Zacian / Snorlax / Dragapult, and how he lost
NixHex - Vikavolt / Gyarados / Hydreigon
Suspicious Derivative (70*) - Zacian / Gyarados / Eternatus rental
Ze Diglett - Tyranitar / Excadrill / Corviknight

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Battle Tower Unranked Doubles Records

bobdat (100*) - Zamazenta / Eternatus / Charizard / Inteleon
Call_Me_Charlie - Hawlucha / Zacian / Darmanitan / Eternatus
DaWoblefet - Zacian / Gyarados / Eternatus / Rotom-Heat (Rental)
doipy hooves - Sirfetch'd / Dragapult / Eiscue / Inteleon
insanemaniac (225*) - Weavile / Gyarados / Zacian / Eternatus (Rental)
NZtechfreak - Raichu / Lapras / Incineroar / Gyarados
ReptoAbysmal - Randomized Trick Room teams (!!), and a second serving!
 
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Restricted Sparring is a new battle facility-esque challenge introduced in the Isle of Armor DLC. It's got built-in streak tracking individually for each type and leaderboards are open for submitting your streaks in this mode! Boards for types will be added as streaks for them get submitted.

Preliminary information on Restricted Sparring
Preliminary Set Data


Restricted Sparring Records


#01. Eisenherz (27) - Indeedee / Obstagoon / Diggersby
#02. hotdogturtle (21) - Diggersby / Indeedee / Tauros




#01. Eisenherz (40) - Cinderace / Charizard / Darmanitan




#01. Eisenherz (43) - Dracovish / Gyarados / Gastrodon




#01. Eisenherz (38) - Dracozolt / Magnezone / Rotom-Wash




#01. Eisenherz (83) - Rillaboom / Ludicolo / Ferrothorn
#02. MellowBusiness (16) - Rillaboom / Lilligant / Ferrothorn, and his previous streak of 7




#01. Eisenherz (40) - Lapras / Mamoswine / Avalugg




#01. Eisenherz (62) - Heracross / Urshifu / Cobalion




#01. Photon (27) - Roserade / Slowbro / Toxapex
#02. Brancus (23) - Toxapex / Amoonguss / Slowbro




#01. doctordoak (30) - Excadrill / Krookodile / Seismitoad




#01. meddle (26) - Espeon / Indeedee / Gallade




#01. doctordoak (59) - Durant / Heracross / Volcarona
#02. meddle (20) - Durant / Heracross / Galvantula, (20) - Durant / Heracross / Volcarona




#01. doctordoak (48) - Mimikyu / Dragapult / Trevenant
#02. meddle (29) - Mimikyu / Chandelure / Jellicent
#03. Blitzamirin (23) - Gengar / Chandelure / Shedinja




#01. Photon (55) - Krookodile / Incineroar / Mandibuzz




#01. doctordoak (55) - Durant / Excadrill / Duraludon
#02. meddle (34) - Durant / Ferrothorn / Duraludon




#01. doctordoak (45) - Mimikyu / Primarina / Clefable, and his previous streak of 33
 
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Since Durant and Mimikyu made it I guess the questions are

1) Will the AI switch out when Entrainment locked

2) What will be the setup sweeper aka it's Drapion again.
 
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Ditto is powerless if you're behind a substitute, and most of the Wobbuffets shouldn't be a problem. Set 2 can chip you with Rocky Helmet, and set 3 might be able to get tricky with QC, but assuming you're powerful enough to blast through it, anything other than QC Destiny Bond isn't a concern. There's no sash Wobbuffet or anything.
 
Ditto is powerless if you're behind a substitute, and most of the Wobbuffets shouldn't be a problem. Set 2 can chip you with Rocky Helmet, and set 3 might be able to get tricky with QC, but assuming you're powerful enough to blast through it, anything other than QC Destiny Bond isn't a concern. There's no sash Wobbuffet or anything.
Good point I guess, if Substitute is up, both should be free.

The only question is how the AI is going to use Dinamax....
 
Some time ago I made a list about the battle tree fake out speed tier list, and here is another one for sword/shield.
Without further ado here is the list, please let me know if anything has the wrong speed or such
Salazzle-4 183
Raichu-2 171
Meowstic-F-1 167
Salazzle-3 165
Raichu-4 160
Morpeko-2 157
Liepard-4 156
Meowstic-F-2 154
Meowstic-M-1 152
Hitmonlee-2 146
Indeedee-F-1 146
Indeedee-M-1 143
Weavile-5 143
Weavile-1 138
Meowstic-M-2 138
Rillaboom-12 137
Rillaboom-4 135
Rillaboom-8 135
Toxicroak-4 135
Hitmontop-3 129
Weavile-6 128
Shiftry-3 128
Ludicolo-2 127
Weavile-2 125
Delibird-2 121
Hitmontop-4 120
Gothitelle-1 119
Liepard-1 119
Togedemaru-1 109
Hitmonlee-4 105
Hitmonchan-3 92
Mr. Rime-7 90
Hitmonchan-1 89
Togedemaru-3 89
Mr. Rime-3 86
Mr. Rime-5 81
Grimmsnarl-4 78
Mr. Rime-1 74
Scrafty-1 71
Scrafty-4 68
Perrserker-3 66
Sableye-2 57
 
Some notes:
  • A few species have 8 sets, with the starters even going to 12. In these cases, sets 5-8 are the same sets as 1-4, just with a higher IV tier, and 9-12 on the starters are the same deal.
  • Toxtricity and Rotom get 2 sets in each form (even normal Rotom gets 2 sets now). Indeedee and Meowstic get 2 sets for each gender. Flapple, Appletun, Silvally, and the pseudo-legends each get just 2 distinct sets as a species, instead of the usual 4.
  • There are no Alola forms present, and unlike in tree, also no original forms for the stuff that has regional variants. All four Rapidash sets are Rapidash-G, for instance.
  • Everything is now strictly 252/252 EVs, no sets with 3- or 4-way splits.
  • The only sets listed with a 31 IV Tier are the species that Leon uses. The last five trainers on the trainer list appear to be variations of Leon in some manner, and those are the only five trainer listings configured to use those sets at all.
  • Wishiwashi and Mimikyu return with their abilities intact, and this time opponents are capable of using Aegislash and Silvally as well. I'm fairly sure that Morpeko, Cramorant, and Eiscue also have form-changing abilities in the sense that they block Durant. Darmanitan still has Zen Mode as a possibility, and if it doesn't roll that then it will have Gorilla Tactics, an ability that counts as a built-in Choice Band.
  • There's a lot less speed creep going on; 198 Adamant natures and 190 Modest (including a potentially troublesome Specs Gengar that you'll at least find it easier to outspeed this way) compared to 116 Jolly and 86 Timid. Attack-boosting natures were also more common in Tree, but by closer to a 3:2 margin rather than 2:1.
In closing, the sets appear to be less competitive on aggregate (Scarf Cinderace running a SPECIAL set??) but there's definitely some nasty stuff you'll have to be prepared for, like this:
658Cloyster-4JollyFocus SashPin MissileRock BlastIcicle SpearShell SmashAtk/Spe
 
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Lapras-2SassyZoom LensRestSleep TalkSheer ColdHorn DrillDef/SpD
Time passes by and this thing still makes it
The best part is that (bar a mechanics change), Zoom Lens doesn't even boost the accuracy of OHKO moves.

Also:
686Glaceon-4ModestChoice BandFreeze-DryBlizzardShadow BallHyper VoiceDef/SpA
(I checked the raw dump, and it does have Choice Band.)

Good job, Game Freak.
 
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So, I know there's Singles and Doubles, but is there also Multi to play Battle Tower with a friend?
Actually, based on what has been dug up so far, there is no evidence that Multis exists at all this time around. But, I myself have only heard snatches of the dialogue in that regard.
 

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Actually that made me wonder, if both you and the enemy are on your last pokemon, and you trigger Destiny Bond, which of the 2 wins? I know with Explosion the person Exploding would win...
Assuming the mechanic hasn't changed, the last Pokemon to faint wins. So in this case (assuming my memory serves), the DBond user loses.
 
werster (of Pokemon speedrunning fame) played through some of the Battle Tower. Here are some general notes:
  • There are only Single and Double Battles.
  • The Battle Tower uses numerical ranks, like the Battle Stadium. You start at tier 1 and work your way up.
  • The first three tiers have two trainers each. After winning each battle, you get 2 BP. After you complete a tier, you earn some BP and items.
  • At the end of tier 3, you face Leon. He Gigantamaxes his Charizard.
  • After you clear tier 3, you move up to Poke Ball tier. The Judge function is also unlocked, and you can change the music.
  • In tiers 4 and 5, you face three trainers in a row. This is where werster stopped, so I'm not sure what happens afterwards.
  • You can Dynamax your Pokemon. None of the regular trainers use Dynamax or Gigantamax; perhaps the trainers Dynamax their Pokemon at higher tiers?
  • Mints and Ability Capsules cost 50 BP. The other items range from 10 to 25 BP. The best competitive items, such as Life Orb and Choice items, cost 25 BP each. There are no TMs or TRs.
  • You can get a Type: Null from a NPC in the Battle Tower.
I may add more general info later.
 

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werster (of Pokemon speedrunning fame) played through some of the Battle Tower. Here are some general notes:
  • There are only Single and Double Battles.
  • The Battle Tower uses numerical ranks, like the Battle Stadium. You start at tier 1 and work your way up.
  • The first three tiers have two trainers each. After winning each battle, you get 2 BP. After you complete a tier, you earn some BP and items.
  • At the end of tier 3, you face Leon. He Gigantamaxes his Charizard.
  • After you clear tier 3, you move up to Poke Ball tier. The Judge function is also unlocked, and you can change the music.
  • In tiers 4 and 5, you face three trainers in a row. This is where werster stopped, so I'm not sure what happens afterwards.
  • You can Dynamax your Pokemon. None of the regular trainers use Dynamax or Gigantamax; perhaps the trainers Dynamax their Pokemon at higher tiers?
  • Mints and Ability Capsules cost 50 BP. The other items range from 10 to 25 BP. The best competitive items, such as Life Orb and Choice items, cost 25 BP each. There are no TMs or TRs.
  • You can get a Type: Null from a NPC in the Battle Tower.
I may add more general info later.
How hard are those battles up to Leon?
 
How hard are those battles up to Leon?
They didn't seem too difficult. They used fully evolved Pokes from the start, but werster was able to defeat them fairly easily with the rental teams.


I went through the Sword/Shield text dump ( see here) and found out some more info about the BT.
  • There are no Super Single or Super Double modes. This supports an earlier leak. The dump also confirms there are no Multi Battles.
  • There are five tiers: Beginner, Poke, Great, Ultra, and Master. There are also 11 ranks, ranging from 1-10 and MAX.
  • Leon challenges you again in the Master Ball tier, and each of your Pokemon get a Ribbon for beating him. You also get his rare League Card after beating him the first time.
  • There's a line that says you'll drop down a rank, which implies that you won't have to start from Rank 1 if you lose. This would be similar to the Wi-Fi Rooms of the Gen 4 Battle Frontier and Battle Subway.
    • I forgot to mention this earlier, but your rank and streak are tracked separately.
  • There don't appear to be any rewards for achieving 100 or 200 wins like in the past two gens. There also don't appear to be any special trophies like in the Maison or special stamps like in the Tree.
 

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