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An Empoleon RMT


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Introduction

I built this team when with Slowpokez on the team lumineon chatbox extremely late at night. He had been talking about how he was keen to make a team with a SubPetayaEmpoleon, and seeing as how my most recent (and possibly most sucessful) team was based around a SubPetayaEmpoleon, I decided I'd help in the making.
And thus the team was born​

I haven't actually tested this team yet, but I have heard from slowpokez that he has been doing very well with is so far on Shoddy, and that it is performing well. I understand that he has hit the leaderboard with this team with one of his Shoddy alts, so yeah, looks to be fairly good.​

The team focuses around using residual damage paired with an annoying stall element which is tormenttran to help empoleon sweep. It makes sure all of empoleons counters are checked, and thoroughly softened up by Posion and Sand Storm before he sets up, as well as makes sure empoleon can sweep without being threatened by other annoying scarfers or set-up-sweepers.​

Empoleon can use toxic spikes to its advantage to win against things like blissey/vappy/etc who are giant threats to subpetaya empoleon which is why roserade happens to be the best possible lead for this team. With TTar giving me SS support as well as checking things like blissey, heatran making things kill themself, roserade poisoning shit, gliscor setting up rocks and beating stall, latias revenge killing, and empoleon sweeping, the team can work extremely well in todays metagame which leads to an overall solid well built good team.​

When building the team first thing we did was pick empoleon as this is what gave slowpokez the idea to make this team, as he figured it was a great sweeper with the right support especially with the fact that it 4x resists the most common priority move that seems to be flying around on every team; Scizor's bullet punch. So next thing we did was unusual as you don't normally pick a lead second or even third/fourth. We put roserade in as a nice quick sleeping lead that can give me T-spikes support, which is absolutely VITAL to Empoleon sweeps, as well as sleep to help empoleon set up with ease. Roserade also helps me check things like cune/vappy who can stop empoleon sweeps easily. After that we realized how nicely tormenttran would fit in with subpetaya empoleon and t-spikes support seeing as how he spreads the residual damage around and makes things actually kill themself/hinders pokemon from using moves to stop empoleon from setting up. After that we realized my team was very weak to that annoying fat pink thing Blissey. We put in TTar to keep it in check as well as give me SS support to aid Empoleon/Roserade/Heatran in spreading residual damage around. He also easily traps things like blissey with a CB pursuit being able to OHKO almost all bliss on the run. Even with TTar the team was slightly weak to stall so we decided to add in a quick taunter as well as a check for lucario. Gliscor seemed to be the best bet being able to also survive a CBcrunch from ttar making him check ttar as well. He extremely helps with beating stall and getting a boost from the SS support.​

Last member on the team was a hard decision. We was originally going to use roar latias and keep it more stall oriented but slowpokez realized we had no real check to things like DDgyara/DDmence who could be a huge problem. We threw latias in to check infernape, mence, and gyara all in one. As Lati also makes for great Scizor Bait for Empoleon to set up on. (i.e: CBScizzy locked either Bullet Punch or Pursuit)
The team was finished.​

Main advantages of the team​

o It takes full advantage of residual damage and annoying things like tormenttran.​

o It helps empoleon sweep extremely easily with the right support.​

o It's just really fun to use overall.​

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At a glance

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In Detail

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Roserade @ Focus sash
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Timid (+ Spe, - Atk)
6 HP / 252 Sp atk / 252 Spe
Natural Cure
- Leaf storm
- Hidden power Ground
- Toxic spikes
- Sleep powder​

Roserade is on my team for a few reasons. It helps spread around residual damage making empoleons sweep easier and making tormenttran rape a lot harder. T-spikes helps empoleon wear things down like blissey/snorlax/any bulky waters. Leaf storm is the only STAB move on the set which can be used to hit things like azelf who resist hidden power ground and will usually taunt me before i can set up t-spikes or sleep powder them. Leaf storm also hits hippowdon/tyranitar for SE damage. Sleep powder can be used to put slower leads like non lumberry gross to sleep then proceed to set up on them. I chose hidden power ground to hit occa berry metagross without having the berry resist a non stab weak hp fire as well as hitting heatran leads, and infernape leads. 252 Sp atk is standard and there just for hitting as hard as possible. 252 Spe helps outspeed things you really need to outspeed late game like possibly offensive cune which you cannot outspeed without timid. Natural cure also makes roserade sort of a status absorber for my team giving me a toxic spikes absorber as well so whenever anyone sets up t-spikes on me i can possibly cripple their team by absorbing them. Overall roserade is a very vital member to the team.​

Roserade vs other common leads.

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- Switch straight to Tyranitar, as Sand Storm takes out the Sash, then Pursuit is an easy KO.

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- Put it to sleep then set up then hidden power ground.

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- Put it to sleep then set up then hidden power ground.

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- Either take the scarf and set up t-spikes, or if they SR first turn that means i can put it to sleep and get a few turn or two to set up.

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- I pretty much lose if they fake out then fire blast me. If they do anything else i can win.

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- Absolute rape. Sleep then set up then leaf storm.

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Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
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Modest (+ Sp atk, - Atk)
12 HP / 12 Def / 252 Sp atk / 232 Spe
Torrent
- Surf
- Ice beam
- Agility
- Substitute​

Subpetaya empoleon is the star of the show as well as one of the BEST underrated sweepers of all time. Yo agiligross im really happy for you and imma let you finish but subpetaya empoleon is one of the best sweepers of all time! ALL TIME! Using t-spikes and residual damage support he can very easily set up as well as sweep even his counters away. Ice beam / Surf allows for the best coverage that empoleon can have still using a STAB move. After subbing down to the torrent/petaya level surf is going to hurt like a BITCH. Pretty much even anything that resists it will be dead in a turn or two. Ice beam helps cover flyers, dragons, grass types. The EVs are standard, allowing maximum damage dealing, outspeeding of +Nature Base 80s that hold a Choice Scarf (Like Jolly Mamoswine or a +1 DD Dragonite) after one Agility, and almost everything in the metagame after a second Agility. Once again subpetaya is one of the most underrated sweepers there is but i honestly have no idea why. It's just amazing with the right support.​

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Heatran @ Leftovers
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Timid (+ Spe, - Atk)
252 HP / 140 Spe / 18 Sp atk / 100 Sp Def
Flash Fire
- Lava Plume
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect​

Tormenttran is amazing and a very key member to my team. It gives the team a sort of stall oriented style and gives me something just to annoy other opponents and cause damage to them without even touching them which really racks up with all the residual damage the team has flying around. Tormenttran works very well with subpetaya empoleon as well as toxic spikes support as you can take care of most things that wall empoleon or can hurt empoleon. Lava plume is the only attacking move on the set which means the set is only walled by gyarados, swampert, and other heatran. Swampert can be eventually stalled out with t-spikes support and gyara with possibly a burn. After you scare off something like skarmory and they switch in a heatran, you can torment them behind a sub when they break it. The next turn they won't be able to use earth power which means they'll most likely be completely walled by you and if they're choiced you can completely make them struggle. When they try to use the move the turn after, you protect and they cant use it for another two turns. "The ev spread allows for maximum leftovers recovery, Speed evs bring heatran to 245 which lets you outspeed zapdos and celebi at 244 spe. The Special Defense EVs allow Heatran to take 24% max from a neutral natured, 0 Special Attack Rotom’s Discharge, meaning they will never break your Substitute. This is important because you really do not want Heatran to randomly get paralyzed from Discharge. The Special Attack EVs ensure that you do a minimum of 33% to max HP Machamp, meaning that the Rest + Sleep Talk sets will be 3HKOed. You don’t have to worry about DynamicPunch with Torment. Heatran always 3HKOs bulky Rotoms, so not even the Rest + Sleep Talk versions can stop you." Credit to Philip7086 for this great set.​

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Latias @ Choice scarf
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Timid (+ Spe, - Atk)
6 HP / 252 Sp atk / 252 Spe
Levitate
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Trick​

Latias can help the team in so many ways it's unbelievable. Latias is my main infernape check being the best counter for him there is. Draco meteor is for beating +1 mence who is a big problem to the team, and thunderbolt is for beating +1 gyara who is another big problem. Latias is there to revenge kill infernape, gyara, mence and many others. Latias can also work as my water killer killing things like vappy/empoleon/suicune and crippling things like blissey by tricking them a scarf which will usually ruin them for the rest of the match. Draco meteor hits hard and even though scarflatias is extreme pursuit bait, thats the good part of using scarf latias on my team. If i can allow latias to be pursuited after taking out mence or gyara who could threaten my team, i can then proceed to bring in empoleon on a resisted 60 power pursuit from scizor/tyranitar and then set up when they switch out. It works amazingly and adds to the fact that latias is a really vital member to the team. Even though latias does not resist SS, the boost of SS outweighs the downfall of having one pokemon who doesn't resist it (excluding roserade since it's a lead).​

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Tyranitar @ Choice band
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Adamant (+ Atk, - Sp atk)
248 HP / 104 Atk / 156 Sp Def
Sand Stream
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone edge​

This is kingdrom's bulky CBtar set, and if you know me whatsoever you'll know i love this set so anytime i get the chance to use it; i do. I needed a bulky pursuit trapper and a useful pokemon who can set up SS and actually do something for my team. CBtar just seemed like a nice fit since the things i needed to pursuit trap were just trapped much easier by TTar then scizor. EQ hits steels and lots of different things extremely hard, Crunch is a STAB move that has amazing coverage, pursuit for trapping things, and SE for the hardest hitting STAB move on the set which pretty much wrecks everything. SE hits most scizor for over 75%. This set was originally going to belong to resttalk TTar but both me and crudkip didn't really like it and i just said why not throw a CBtar in. First, 252 Ev's were invested in Hp, which ensures survival of CB Scizor Bullet Punch after SR over 90% of the time, as well as contributing to general bulkiness. The SDef Ev's allow him to survive two Surfs from 299 SAtk (Leftovers Starmie) as well as never falling from three consecutive Earth Powers from Timid Heatran after SR. The rest was placed into attack, with an extra point taken from Hp (because it happened to be insignificant in the above objectives) and put into attack to yield a jump point. Overall, this Tyranitar reaches 403 Hp, 544 Attack, and 412 SDef. To give a comparison, this Tyranitar gives up roughly 10% of its power when compared to max attack CB Tar, but is 16% more defensive on the special side.​

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
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Jolly (+ Spe, - Sp atk)
252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Sand Veil
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Roost
- Stealth rock​

Gliscor is the final member on the team and one of the most important ones. He can function as the tyranitar check being able to switch in on things like an EQ and usually one or 2HKO back with an EQ while not even being OHKOd by a CB crunch. EQ is the main STAB move on the set, Taunt is for breaking stall which the team would be weak to without, roost is for healing and stalling things out, SR is for setting up entry hazards that really help spread residual damage which is one of the key points on this team. 40 def / 252 hp gives him overall bulk hitting 296 def / 396 HP IIRC. 216 spe jolly outspeeds max spe jolly lucario by two points meaning lucario is pretty much going to die when this one comes out. Gliscor can survive two adamant e-speeds or a close combat and OHKO with EQ. Taunt really really helps for things like blissey who can be super annoying. Gliscor has overall good synergy with other members on the team and is a really important part of the team for helping to break stall as well as check specific things like lucario who were originally a massive threat to my team. Gliscor happens to be the best lucario check as well as fit the role for the other things i needed on my team so when we decided on putting him on the team it really just came together.

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Threat list


Defensive Threats

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Blissey-Tyranitar handles it or gliscor can taunt it.

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Bronzong-Heatran sets up and torments the hell out of it.

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Celebi-Latias or Heatran deal with it.

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Cresselia-Tyranitar says hi.

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Forretress-Heatran lol.

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Gliscor-Latias.

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Tentacruel-Tyranitar or latias handle it easily.

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Dusknoir-Tyranitar as long as it doesn't come in on a WoW.

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Gyarados-Latias handles both offensive and defensive variations.

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Hippowdon-Roserade or latias.

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Jirachi-Heatran can set up on it and torment it to death.

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Rotom-A-Heatran or Tyranitar can check it.

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Skarmory-Heatran can make it cry.

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Snorlax-Gliscor can taunt it then TTar wrecks most with a hard hitting SE/Crunch.

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Suicune-Roserade if it's still around late game. If not latias can handle it.

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Swampert-Roserade lol.

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Tyranitar-Gliscor is my tyranitar check so it checks defensive ones as well.

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Vaporeon-Latias or roserade can deal with it very easily.

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Zapdos-Tyranitar wrecks both offensive and defensive variations.

Offensive Threats

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Azelf-Tyranitar once again destroys it.

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Breloom-Latias or Gliscor are nice counters.

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Gengar-Tyranitar completely destroys it.

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Gyarados-Thunderbolt from latias.

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Heatran-Latias counters it pretty well and can easily handle it.

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Dragonite-Latias.

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Aerodactyl-Tyranitar can SE it or Latias can outspeed and surf.

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Infernape-Latias is infernapes #1 counter.

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Jolteon-Tyranitar pretty much destroys it being able to resist or take nothing from almost all of its attacks.

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Ninjask-lol

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Porygon-z-Tyranitar can even take a specs hp fighting so it's handled pretty easily.

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Rhyperior-Gliscor, empoleon, and roserade can all handle it.

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Smeargle-lol

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Heracross-Gliscor can handle it.

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Latias-Tyranitar beats this thing anyday.

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Kingdra-Latias can outspeed and OHKO with draco meteor.

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Lucario-Gliscor is lucario's main counter so obviously him.

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Machamp-Gliscor or Latias.

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Magnezone-Tyranitar or heatran can pretty much wreck it.

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Mamoswine-If it comes in on heatran and gets tormented it can be easily beaten and if its non CB which is seen way more, then most things can take an ice shard.

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Metagross-Heatran can beat it pretty easily or so can Gliscor.

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Salamence-Latias beats all non scarf variations.

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Electivire-Tyranitar can check it moderately well, or so can latias.

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Flygon-latias can outspeed even scarf variations and OHKO with dragon pulse.

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Togekiss-Tyranitar takes almost nothing from an aura sphere with the bulky spread and OHKOs with SE.

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Weavile-Heatran can deal with it or so can tyranitar.

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Scizor-Heatran pretty much destroys it and has no problem.

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Starmie-Tyranitar can take 2 surfs and OHKO with either pursuit/crunch.

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Tyranitar-Gliscor checks it being able to outspeed almost all variations and either one or 2HKO with EQ.

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Zapdos-Tyranitar comes in on a Tbolt taking almost nothing, and either crunches or SE's it to death.

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Alakazam-Tyranitar pretty much destroys it.
 
Alakazam and Gengar are not destroyed by TTar >.> Most players expect Pursuit so they stay in. Gengar and Alakazam can both deal massive damage to Tyranitar. Brellom is also a problem. I'm not quite sure what you could so to remedy these problems since I can't really think of something which could counter them both yet have good synergy with your team and help your Empoleon sweep. I guess we'll just have to wait.
 
Alakazam and Gengar are not destroyed by TTar >.> Most players expect Pursuit so they stay in. Gengar and Alakazam can both deal massive damage to Tyranitar. Brellom is also a problem. I'm not quite sure what you could so to remedy these problems since I can't really think of something which could counter them both yet have good synergy with your team and help your Empoleon sweep. I guess we'll just have to wait.

lolwut? He destroys choiced versions of both if theyre locked into anything other then focus blast, and That ttar spread with SS up can usually survive a focus blast from timid gar/zam

Breloom is taunted by gliscor then with prediction easily beaten like switching latias into a fighting move then draco meteoring it, or heatran can outspeed and ko most with lava plume except jolly ones which means if it cant get a sub or spore up, it's pretty much dead.

gengar vs ttar with focus blast from timid no specs

359 Atk vs 409 Def & 403 HP (120 Base Power): 304 - 360 (75.43% - 89.33%)

zam vs ttar with focus blast timid no specs

369 Atk vs 409 Def & 403 HP (120 Base Power): 312 - 368 (77.42% - 91.32%)
 
You say Heatran and Tyranitar handles Weavile, but the thing is that Weavile can Low Kick the hell out of both(not sure if it can OHKO Heatran, but Tyranitar has no chance of survival).

SD Weavile runs through the team easily, with Ice Shard/Punch picking off Latias(ok, she outspeeds Weavile, but with Ice Shard she's gone), Gliscor and Roserade, while a SD Low Kick will OHKO Heatran, Empoleon and Tyranitar.
Luckily, Scizor is everywhere, so not many people uses Weavile.

I can't really think of something with good synergy with your team and help your Empoleon sweep. I guess we'll just have to wait. (copy/paste of Quick Man post lol)
 
i also recently post an RMT based around subpetaya Empoleon sweep and i agre he is the best underatted sweeper...i love this team and honestly dont know what would help this other than you may want some priority on the team..but wouldnt wanted to ruin synenergy..just a thought though..i use technitop.
 
CB hera wipes your team quite easily... CB+Guts(tspikes) cc/megahorn does over 50% to your gliscor set (861 Atk vs 296 Def & 354 HP (120 Base Power): 187 - 221 (52.82% - 62.43%)) and gliscor isnt going to be killing hera for a long while... Your only way to beat it is to fire off draco meteor from your lati which can just get you pursuited, only to get swept by hera later in the match...
Luckily for you, heracross isn't common at all anymore... really thats the only problem i see in your team, except that you rely on lati a little too much... if it gets pursuited before their ddgyara/mence comes in it could be gg... otherwise, good team
 
You say Heatran and Tyranitar handles Weavile, but the thing is that Weavile can Low Kick the hell out of both(not sure if it can OHKO Heatran, but Tyranitar has no chance of survival).

SD Weavile runs through the team easily, with Ice Shard/Punch picking off Latias(ok, she outspeeds Weavile, but with Ice Shard she's gone), Gliscor and Roserade, while a SD Low Kick will OHKO Heatran, Empoleon and Tyranitar.
Luckily, Scizor is everywhere, so not many people uses Weavile.

I can't really think of something with good synergy with your team and help your Empoleon sweep. I guess we'll just have to wait. (copy/paste of Quick Man post lol)
Things that help it sweep happen to be on the team already bud.

ill let you know when i get swept by an SD weavile (who even uses weavile anyways)
 
I'm pretty sure Weavile would find it nearly impossible to set up on any team member, I mean Tar locked into Pursuit perhaps but I imagine Weavile would take upwards of 20% from CB Pursuit anyhow, so with LO/SR and SS in play, he is dead damn fast.
After one attack he has taken 25%+10%+6% which is 41% of his health gone. As to a CB version, prediction is key. Weavile is metagame weak anyway so is pretty much never seen.

As to Hera, I do see what you mean about a CBClose Combat, however, Gliscor is Hera's no. 1 counter. And short of running 252Def/Hp and Aerial Ace (which would let SD Jolly Lucario run riot) I don't see an immediate fix. Revenge killing wouldn't be too hard anyway with Latias, or Gliscor. Maybe Knock Off over SR, but in todays Metagame, SR is almost obligatory.


Thanks for the rates people.
 
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