i did it. heres the stupid ass team: https://pokepast.es/c8ddc42180bd7bd8 i really need a better regen mon for this team cos its gonna be considered a defensive team instead w scream tail and allNAT NOOOO
also teambomb time
https://pokepast.es/39faa757079e0f7e
can replace bundle/tusk for fc garg and give hatt stamina if desired
In the Future when Pokemon Home releases support, this set has nothing that can touch Hisuian Zoroark, besides Crunch.
This mon is just broken right now to be honest, if you can get it in safely with the multiple pivots on this team (which you should easily be able to do) then it will eventually claim a kill. The move choice on this mon though could be changed a little bit since knock off+shadow ball isn’t 100% necessary. We used this moveset to guaranteed beat gholdengo but either knock off or shadow ball can probably be replaced with one of valiants million other coverage moves. The ev’s on this mon are also kinda specific, it’s ev’d to have a 99.6% chance to kill corv with close combat and the rest is put into speed and special attack. Mixed MGLO pult is officially my new favorite pult set now, as said above this is one of the 2 most broken mixed attackers in the tier and can easily run away with the game. As shown with our round 1 for the ghosting tour, pult is a force to be reckoned with both early and late game. Even if it can’t break something it can easily wisp it for later or uturn in one of our other mons that can beat it. The ev’s here are to always ohko non bulky iron moth and to have some extra hex damage. This mon is just as good as it was last gen, not too much to say about it other than the obvious. It’s a good glue mon and an amazing special wall, pretty easily beating most special non-fire type breakers. This is also ev’d to not lose to 52 attack life orb valiant with leftovers. When I first suggested that we use fur coat on Garganacl Buk went crazy and almost immediately changed it to ice scales and made corv fur coat, then he tested it some and realized I was right and tried to make it seem like fur coat garg was his idea. Jokes aside though fur coat garg is an amazing blanket physical wall, beating a large amount of physical attackers like ceruledge, dragonite, and baxcalibur. Remember when I said that corv beat every non-fire type special attacker? Well this beats the fire types that beat corv. Not too much else to say here other than the fact that it also provides amazing hazard support to help our already crazy breakers put even more pressure on opposing walls. This is never 2hko’d by +1 fiery dance moth as well which is a godsend to this team. Last but not least we have iron moth, this is a pretty strong mon even with 0 special attack investment. Although the main reason that we ran it here is to help pivot in either pult or valiant, as well as act as a bundle check. Toxic spikes also provides a lot of utility for this team, it can provide chip for valiant to do it’s thing and also powers up pult’s hex to make it much more insane.Nicknames are trademarked and patented by me
If this gets accepted, Florges will probably be changed to Fur Coat. I understand wanting to preserve in case of bans, but considering that your team already has watchlisted stuff like Stakeout, Iron Bundle, and Ice Scales, there's not much ground left to justify nerfing the Florges (also, sample teams are meant to represent w/e the relative meta is at the time they're uploaded, not "what if...?" ones).
I believe sample teams should be built to survive potential bans; assuming a FurScales suspect where both are banned + other bans such as Iron Vailant taking place shortly after, a sample team should remain usable until at least the next time samples are requested. With that being said, here's my submission.
Sword Of Ruin Roaring Moon + Stakeout Iron Bundle form a devastating offensive core that hits both sides of the spectrum and takes advantage of the lack of decent Dark and Water resists, respectively, in the meta. SpDef WBB Corv is a solid defensive mon that switches into all the relevant Fire-types like Iron Moth, Volcarona, and Ceruledge without any major issue, and the SpDef makes sure that offensive Gholdengo sets don't plow through the team. Fluffy Florges checks physical attackers like Dragonite and Great Tusk without any major issue, and because Fluffy actually has a drawback, it will most likely remain legal in case Fur Coat is banned. Regen Garchomp is a good lead that helps set entry hazards early on to create pressure that can be abused by smart doubles into the main breakers of the team, and gives the team counterplay vs some ladder traps like Ice Scales Eviolite BU users. Finally, Ice Scales Gholdengo is an interesting tech for special attackers; since Fire-types are already covered by Corvid, IS Gholdengo covers the rest of them, including the rare Shadow Ball Iron Valiant. This one is the most at risk for being removed, but if IS is banned then you can make this Vessel Of Ruin.
Pretty strong team in tests, only loses to broken stuff like Iron Valiant and Hadron Dragapult which should be going soon anyway so there isn't much to worry about.
This is like bulky offense with no real way of beating GaG Roar Skeledirge
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yeah its just a defensive team that sucks. like do not use material.This is like bulky offense with no real way of beating GaG Roar Skeledirge
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Sample Team Submission
https://pokepast.es/86f8976060084932
The main gist of the team is to use pivoters like Iron Moth, Dragapult, and Corviknight to swap in to your Iron Valiant while keeping up pressure with hazards.
Wisp spreader, also is the fastest mon in the meta as of now. Dishes out heavy damage with Draco + Hex, further supported by MGLO. Can also frequently pivot into Iron Valiant on checks such as Clodsire (if you're using Zen Headbutt) and Blissey. Can also go for a Naive nature if you want to use Dragon Darts over Draco Meteor.
Main breaker of the team, has CC for Blissey and Ice Scales Corvi, has TBolt for non-regenvest Dondozo (can be swapped for Zeadbutt for Clodsire and Iron Moth)
Huge wincon for the team, easily swaps in on most physical attackers like Baxcalibur, Dragonite, and can easily swap in on Corviknight, as it always has. Needs to be weary of Iron Moth, Dragapult, and Great Tusk.
Your everyday defogger, should be used as physical attacker bait for Gholdengo, otherwise acts as a slow pivot to Iron Valiant.
An incredibly bulky physical that can also eat special hits, has regenerator for some very much needed longevity, also sets up hazards and phases w/ whirlwind.
Iron Bundle counter; also deals with Volcarona and Gholdengo. Has whirlwind to phase unprotected mons into Toxic Spikes and to force out Volcaronas who may have setup QDs, other Iron Moths and WBB Gholdengo. Can swap whirlwind for U-turn for more pivoting into Iron Valiant if desired. Must be kept healthy.
You also play around with mons like Stakeout Tusk, or Hadron Specs Sandy Shocks over Iron Valiant. This team is very flexible with its breaker options and can break most other styles of play depending on how you play. Genera, threats for this team are:
Dumbass mon. It has an extremely viable main set (defensive NP) with like 3 different viable abilities that change counterplay depending on what you want (Fur Coat, Earth Eater, Well Baked Body) that forces guessing games both on team preview or in builder. Is that Ghold in front of my Volc Earth Eater, meaning I should immediately try to kill it, or Well Baked Body, meaning I should make a safer play and U-turn out? Guess wrong and lose a mon. Scouting Ghold is also difficult as well; the punishment for using a Fire move in front of a WBB Ghold is giving it a free NP/Sub, and due to its naturally great defensive typing, pivoting out of it into something else just gives it a free hit. It's very annoying to use something like CurseQuake Quag or Garg, otherwise solid counters/checks to Ghold, and have them turn into setup bait because it was actually Sub Earth Eater. On top of that, it also has other viable sets that can take advantage of even the most solid counterplay (MGLO, Choice Scarf), so something like Regen Kingambit gets nuked by Focus Blast, or your Ice Scales mon gets bodied by Steel Beam or Trick a Choice Scarf. Only reason I'm not calling for a quickban or anything is because it and Hippowdon are the only things keeping Iron Valiant from mindlessly clicking STAB moves (that is, until they run Stakeout), but once Valiant inevitably goes I would love to see a Gholdengo suspect.
This has flown under the radar a bit but I've come to realize this actually has no switch-ins. WBB Corv? 2HKO by SFLO. Ice Scales mons? NP Overheat/Dark Pulse removes them from existence. PSea Quaquaval? Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of my Psychic. The only really good switchins to this are Ice Scales blobs (bad) and random Fire immunities on mons that resist Dark, like Tinkaton and Kingambit, but if we're resorting to that just to check Chi-Yu, then I think that speaks volumes to how dumb it is. Would recommend a ban if Ice Scales goes, it's way too powerful already and looks to be even more powerful after its most annoying hindrance is gone. I'm so used to defensive sets that I forgot they gave this thing Ground + Fighting STAB with an Ice move as well. Run Mold Breaker and it becomes another case of Find The Switch-ins. Things like FC Corv or GaG Skeledirge just die to one of its STABs, and what can take both of them is usually slapped silly by Ice Spinner. It's really lame when a mon that's one of your best hazards removal options also has no switch-ins, but unfortunately, that's the way the world works sometimes. I can especially see this thing being unbalanced when the more obvious brokens like Iron Valiant, Iron Bundle, and Dragonite all leave, limiting its offensive counterplay while still having the negative defensive counterplay it currently has. And don't get me started on Great Tusk with SoR in a Fur Coatless meta. Unless we all agree to run Gyarados on every team, I can't imagine it staying.
Not broken but I would just like to point out that Magnet Pull is probably fine, even without FurScales. The three most common Steels in the meta are Corvid, Gholdengo, and Kingambit. The first is untroubled because Smack Down users are nowhere to be seen, and running a trapping ability on a Fire/Electric-type means that your gameplan is inefficient, since it relies on hoping the Corv is the wrong immunity ability, or else you can't actually trap it. The second...can't even be trapped anyway because it's part Ghost. The third is probably the one most consistently trapped, but Kingambit being removed isn't a big help to any (non-broken) breaker anyway, except for Noivern, which is adequately checked by the other Steels anyway. My point is that trapping Steels right now is an opportunity cost where the risk heavily outweighs the reward IMO, and I don't get why it wasn't unbanned when it wasn't banned at the start of last gen.
So uh, when are we bringing back Magic Bounce?
This is just my opinion and nobody else's on council (making sure this is clear bc I know I'm pretty hard biased against trapping abilities in general), but "Smack Down users are nowhere to be seen" doesn't make Corviknight untroubled :/
Iron Valiant is really annoying to play against because of it's insane coverage and the fact that it could be Stakeout. Stakeout is probably its own issue but Iron Valiant is the best abuser IMO and I didn't really struggle with any other users. As everyone knows, Iron Valiant is fast, strong, and has the ability to hit pretty much whatever wants to try to wall it, and it creates multiple mind games every time it switches it. You not only have to guess which of its 5+ viable move it will click, but also whether or not you should even switch at all. I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said but I would definitely like to see some sort of action on Iron Valiant.
The other mon that forces an insane amount of mindgames, Gholdengo is super frustrating to play against because it literally has five viable sets and it is very easy to lose to this mon if you guess wrong. It also helps that AAA doesn't really have any Ghost resists so even +0 Shadow Ball is often very free. I'm not actually sure if I think Ghold is broken and don't think banning it would help the meta because it is one of the few mons that can semi-check Iron Valiant, but it is pretty easily a top 5 mon in the meta and every team needs to have a plan vs all of its sets.
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If it gets unbanned, it'll most likely either be a re-suspect or a second chance during home/DLC or something. It's not safe to assume that Annihilape with Regenerator, Fur Coat, or Ice Scales (or whatever other abilities) isn't dangerous in similar/the same ways.
The short answer is a no, the long answer is a slightly more complicated no.
I don't think it "walling everything" (if that's the point you're making) is the issue with Gholdengo. More the issue is that dealing with Gholdengo versatility can be an absolute pain in the ass as you essentially need to play "guess the set" and dance carefully around the Gholdengo set and guessing wrong can lead to serious consequences with a free attack, sub or NP. Killing the set isn't that awful once you know it, unless your team is quite unfortunate. Even Fur Coat can easily be nuked on the other side or by a very powerful Fire-type (of which we have many). Although I've recently been accounting for Ghold sets in my teams and it hasn't been too hard to find answers to the common sets (as long as you have answers (preferably defensive) for Earth Eater and WBB (maybe FC as well but my answer to EE can usually handle it) I found it doesn't matter much for the other sets tbh). Also why are you bringing up Motor Drive it literally doesn't exist (doesn't even wall IHands reliably as it often can carry EQ on RegenVest and BDrum Triage Hands).
sorry for the one liner but i just edited my post cos my mind was really focused on eating lunch (asian household)
( OR )
Dragapult
Dragonite
Gholdengo
Great Tusk
Iron Bundle
Iron Valiant
| Isaiah | UT | Atha | Jrdn | DeepFriedMagikarp | Quantum Tesseract | ||
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| Stakeout | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | 6-0 BAN |
| Iron Valiant | DNB | BAN | BAN | DNB | DNB | BAN | 3-3 DNB |
| Iron Bundle | DNB | BAN | BAN | DNB | DNB | DNB | 4-2 DNB |
| Fur Coat + Ice Scales | SUS | SUS | SUS | SUS | DNS | DNS | 4-2 SUS[PECT] |
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