Alolan Geodude, Graveler, Golem Discussion

[DHR-107]

Geodude
Rock/Electric
Abilities: Magnet Pull/Sturdy/Galvanize
HP: 40
Atk: 80
Def: 100
SpAtk: 30
SpDef: 30
Spe: 20

Learn Set

Level Up

Start - Tackle
Start - Defense Curl
L4 - Charge
L6 - Rock Polish
L10 - Rollout
L12 - Spark
L16 - Rock Throw
L18 - Smack Down
L22 - Thunder Punch
L24 - Self-Destruct
L28 - Stealth Rock
L30 - Rock Blast
L34 - Discharge
L36 - Explosion
L40 - Double-Edge
L42 - Stone Edge

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM17 - Protect
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Smack Down
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM64 - Explosion
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM72 - Volt Switch
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM96 - Nature Power
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Block
Egg - Flail
Egg - Magnet Rise
Egg - Rock Climb
Egg - Endure
Egg - Autotomize
Egg - Wide Guard
Egg - Counter
Egg - Curse
Egg - Screech

Graveler
Rock/Electric
Abilities:
HP: 55
Atk: 95
Def: 115
SpAtk: 45
SpDef: 45
Spe: 35

Learn Set

Level Up

Start - Tackle
Start - Defense Curl
Start - Charge
Start - Rock Polish
L4 - Charge
L6 - Rock Polish
L10 - Rollout
L12 - Spark
L16 - Rock Throw
L18 - Smack Down
L22 - Thunder Punch
L24 - Self-Destruct
L30 - Stealth Rock
L34 - Rock Blast
L40 - Discharge
L44 - Explosion
L50 - Double-Edge
L54 - Stone Edge

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM17 - Protect
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Smack Down
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM64 - Explosion
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM72 - Volt Switch
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM96 - Nature Power
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Block
Egg - Flail
Egg - Magnet Rise
Egg - Rock Climb
Egg - Endure
Egg - Autotomize
Egg - Wide Guard
Egg - Counter
Egg - Curse
Egg - Screech

Golem
Rock/Electric
Abilities: Magnet Pull/Sturdy/Galvanize
HP: 80
Atk: 120
Def: 130
SpAtk: 55
SpDef: 65
Spe: 45

Learn Set

Level Up

Start - Heavy Slam
Start - Tackle
Start - Defense Curl
Start - Charge
Start - Rock Polish
L4 - Charge
L6 - Rock Polish
L10 - Steamroller
L12 - Spark
L16 - Rock Throw
L18 - Smack Down
L22 - Thunder Punch
L24 - Self-Destruct
L30 - Stealth Rock
L34 - Rock Blast
L40 - Discharge
L44 - Explosion
L50 - Double-Edge
L54 - Stone Edge
L60 - Heavy Slam

TMs

M05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Smack Down
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM64 - Explosion
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM72 - Volt Switch
TM74 - Gyro Ball
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM93 - Wild Charge
TM96 - Nature Power
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Block
Egg - Flail
Egg - Magnet Rise
Egg - Rock Climb
Egg - Endure
Egg - Autotomize
Egg - Wide Guard
Egg - Counter
Egg - Curse
Egg - Screech

New Ability

Galvanize: Normal-type moves become Electric-type moves. The power of these moves is boosted a little

 

[TheTraininator]

Galvanize! That alone is going to make Alolan Golem pretty good. Remember Mega Glalie's Explosion? Change it from Ice to Electric, then give it to a Pokemon with the same base attack that can hold an item and not take up a Mega slot. That's scary. Too bad it can't run Galvanize and Sutrdy at the same time.

 

[Zepeln]

This isn't too bad actually. Electric Explosion/SE/Earthquake is only resisted by Breloom and Chesnaught. It's got great neutral coverage going for it

 

[CrymsonEchidna]

Galvanize! That alone is going to make Alolan Golem pretty good. Remember Mega Glalie's Explosion? Change it from Ice to Electric, then give it to a Pokemon with the same base attack that can hold an item and not take up a Mega slot. That's scary. Too bad it can't run Galvanize and Sutrdy at the same time.

You can give it a Focus Sash though, so that kind of makes up for it.

 

[6ft Torbjorn]

This isn't too bad actually. Electric Explosion/SE/Earthquake is only resisted by Breloom and Chesnaught. It's got great neutral coverage going for it

Jesus, completely forgot about Galvanize Explosion, Considering M-Glaile.

There's standard Sturdy SR setup. Then there's Galvanize bulky offense...
Oh, decisions, decisions...

You can give it a Focus Sash though, so that kind of makes up for it.

Holy crap completely forgot about that lol.

 

[IcyMan28]

I wouldn't put too much stock in Galvanize boom just yet, as Ground-types will likely be the most common switch-ins to thes Pokemon based on typing alone.

 

[STEELDRAGON]

Pretty cool design but ground types are going to be a major problem for Golem-A. They can easily take a hit and OHKO back, Magnet rise could remedy this though. A Rock polish and steel trapper set I think will be the main sets. Water types are still a problem but with a speed boost most of them will be scared to switch in.

 

[Bombkirby]

I wouldn't put too much stock in Galvanize boom just yet, as Ground-types will likely be the most common switch-ins to thes Pokemon based on typing alone.

Then wait until their ground type is dead. You won't start the fight off with explosion. It'll be a last resort and an almost garunteed KO

 

[Kietharr]

It's basically the perfect Skarmory counter with magnet pull. Switch in, kill it, set rocks at will. Also counters the shit out of Talonflame... but that might not be necessary in OU anymore.

I think galvanize explosion will mostly be a meme set in doubles, very high risk gambit but if you connect with it you just win the game right there. Z crystal will effectively let you explode twice as well, provided you can survive the inevitable earthquake coming your way.

 

[freekhoorn]

I wouldn't put too much stock in Galvanize boom just yet, as Ground-types will likely be the most common switch-ins to thes Pokemon based on typing alone.

I agree. Refrigate explosion from mega glalie was way less problematic because of ice not having an immunity. Return will do a lot of damage with that base stat too though so I would run that.

 

[freekhoorn]

It's basically the perfect Skarmory counter with magnet pull. Switch in, kill it, set rocks at will. Also counters the shit out of Talonflame... but that might not be necessary in OU anymore.

I think galvanize explosion will mostly be a meme set in doubles, very high risk gambit but if you connect with it you just win the game right there. Z crystal will effectively let you explode twice as well, provided you can survive the inevitable earthquake coming your way.

How do you kill skarm with this thing? Especially nongalvanized variants, I dont expect you can go for special moves with that special attack stat and with roost it will just shrug off the damage of golems thunderpunch while it gets rocky helmet damage.

 

[latinoheat]

252+ Atk Electric/Rock Golem Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 130-154 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Electric/Rock Golem Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 146-174 (43.7 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery


Physically defensive Skarm can just about stall it out with Rocky Helmet, it does beat the special defensive version though. Still I can't see it even making OU with that special defence, lack of recovery and ground weakness.

 

[AquaticPanic]

Perhaps run Double-Edge so you kill yourself in a slower way. Or Z-Explosion if the ability affects Z-Moves.
Also how dare you break the tradition of "Ate" in the end of the ability, Golem-A?

 

[Gaburaisu]

Why are you talking Thunder Punch when this thing gets Galvanize Return??

 

[ZoomerKnight]

Why are you talking Thunder Punch when this thing gets Galvanize Return??

It can't trap if it runs Galvanize.

 

[Ungoliath]

I love its ability, but I can't get past its design >_>

 

[Melons-N-Soda]

So basically better Probopass? Literally all they did was take the concept of Probo's line and apply it to Geodude's, and gave it an -ate ability.

Typing doesn't look too good because of massive Ground weakness, but it resists Flying by 4-times and has great physical bulk.

I'm expecting it to be higher than Probo in the tiers at least.

 

[AJC]

487 BP electric explosion after the stab and 30% ate boost.

suicide sasher to check p-orge in ubers?

 

[Acast]

252+ Atk Aerilate Golem Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 729-858 (103.5 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I made it Flying type with Aerilate to simulate Galvanize. That damage is insane. It'll probably still be low tier (I'm predicting RU), but it's miles better than regular Golem.

How it was calc'd

 

[EtherDrive]

This thing gets counter as an egg move but regular golem doesn't?

 

[Kingme1]

Galvanize Facade seems viable here too I think?

 

[Max_LKC]

Does galvanize work with Z-explosion?

 

[TerrickTerran]

Really liking the new Golem but disappointing Rock Blast has moved so high on its list. I really loved it at low levels.

 

[Sylveon.]

Even though galvanise is cool aaf, but I am still not seeing it in higher tiers. Most grounds switch on it, day in/day out and suffers from the same thing golem always did, dies to most special attacks. Though it looks funny.
Btw what is that TM59, Brutal Swing?

 

[Hytheter]

Electric Explosion/SE/Earthquake is only resisted by Breloom and Chesnaught.

Also Flygon, Claydol, Torterra