Alolan Marowak Discussion

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Marowak
Fire/Ghost
Abilities: Cursed Body/Lightning Rod/Rock Head
HP: 60
Atk: 80
Def: 110
SpAtk: 50
SpDef: 80
Spe: 45
Level Up

Start - Growl
Start - Tail Whip
Start - Bone Club
Start - Flame Wheel
L3 - Tail Whip
L7 - Bone Club
L11 - Flame Wheel
L13 - Leer
L17 - Hex
L21 - Bonemerang
L23 - Will-O-Wisp
L27 - Shadow Bone
L33 - Thrash
L37 - Fling
L43 - Stomping Tantrum
L49 - Endeavor
L53 - Flare Blitz
L59 - Retaliate
L65 - Bone Rush

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Smack Down
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Flame Charge
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM54 - False Swipe
TM56 - Fling
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM61 - Will-O-Wisp
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM75 - Swords Dance
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM97 - Dark Pulse
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Ancient Power
Egg - Belly Drum
Egg - Screech
Egg - Skull Bash
Egg - Perish Song
Egg - Double Kick
Egg - Iron Head
Egg - Detect
Egg - Endure
Egg - Chip Away

New Move

Shadow Bone: The user attacks by beating the target with a bone that contains a spirit. This may also lower the target's Defense stat.
Ghost/Physical/85 Power/100acc/10PP/May Lower Defence
 
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That signature move is really nice and a lot of other ghost pokemon would scream for it but its stats are pretty lackluster.
I'm pretty sure it's stats are exactly the same as regular Marowak, so...yeah. At least it should still get Thick Club. Plus Rock Head Flare Blitz seems...good.
 
I wouldn't write it off so quickly. Assuming it still gets Thick Club, it can hit quite hard with Rock Head + Flare Blitz / Shadow Bone / Bonemerang / Filler. Coupled with paralysis support or Trick Room in doubles it could be quite the threat. Fire/Ghost has a very interesting set of resistances as well.
 
I wouldn't write it off so quickly. Assuming it still gets Thick Club, it can hit quite hard with Rock Head + Flare Blitz / Shadow Bone / Bonemerang / Filler. Coupled with paralysis support or Trick Room in doubles it could be quite the threat. Fire/Ghost has a very interesting set of resistances as well.
Oh wow, thick club doubles attack? Didnt know that! Than its base stat would be 160 and indeed that combo of rockhead flareblitz would be amazing. Only thing is that it cant run another move though.
 
It has a bad defensive typing, no priority, only decent physical bulk overshadowed by a SR/EQ weakness and terrible special bulk. It will literally only be good under Trick Room which is niche at best (or against Stall, I guess).
It's defensive typing isn't bad. Has common weaknesses yea, but really important resists (Fairy, Fire, Ice, Steel, Ice, Poison, Grass) and two immunities.

Yes, it's slow, but it hits very, very hard and has great offensive coverage with high base power moves.

It's a wallbreaker.
 

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Rock Head + Flare Blitz sounds nice, but they didn't even make it faster or give it Shadow Sneak, sigh..
 
It's defensive typing isn't bad. Has common weaknesses yea, but really important resists (Fairy, Fire, Ice, Steel, Ice, Poison, Grass) and two immunities.

Yes, it's slow, but it hits very, very hard and has great offensive coverage with high base power moves.

It's a wallbreaker.
It's still really slow even for a wallbreaker. Seriously this won't get out of RU, lol. Especially since we already have Chandelure.

You won't convince me that it's anything more than mediocre unless they at least give him Shadow Sneak, and even then it's a stretch.

I'm sad because this is my favorite new form, but it seems like they didn't care about their viability at all.
 
It's still really slow even for a wallbreaker. Seriously this won't get out of RU, lol. Especially since we already have Chandelure.

You won't convince me that it's anything more than mediocre unless they at least give him Shadow Sneak, and even then it's a stretch.

I'm sad because this is my favorite new form, but it seems like they didn't care about their viability at all.
Can we hold off on throwing it into tiers before tiers even get finalized? The thing has potential so I wouldn't be so quick to write it off. And considering everything this gen, save for a few mons, are ridiculously slow, it can really change how the metagame will play out.
 
Can we hold off on throwing it into tiers before tiers even get finalized? The thing has potential so I wouldn't be so quick to write it off. And considering everything this gen, save for a few mons, are ridiculously slow, it can really change how the metagame will play out.
Or it means that the Pokemon this Gen are not up to par with the past ones due to their shitty Speeds. Sorry, I just don't see anything good about this Pokemon except a ridiculous high Attack, which Marowak already had anyway and he was still a bad mon stuck in PU.
 
At the very least Marowak-A has a small niche as a check to Electric types with Lightingrod, as it gets an immunity to Electric moves and naturally resists most of their typical coverage moves. If Electric spam becomes a thing, it might find some limited use.

Weaknesses to Stealth Rock and Pursuit are going to really hurt though.
 
At the very least Marowak-A has a small niche as a check to Electric types with Lightingrod, as it gets an immunity to Electric moves and naturally resists most of their typical coverage moves. If Electric spam becomes a thing, it might find some limited use.

Weaknesses to Stealth Rock and Pursuit are going to really hurt though.
Weakness to Pursuit sucks but you can hit Ttar/Bisharp with Wisp on the switch which is awesome.
 
It's still really slow even for a wallbreaker. Seriously this won't get out of RU, lol. Especially since we already have Chandelure.

You won't convince me that it's anything more than mediocre unless they at least give him Shadow Sneak, and even then it's a stretch.

I'm sad because this is my favorite new form, but it seems like they didn't care about their viability at all.
OU is not the pinnacle of well designed Pokemon. If it's not OU that doesn't mean it's "unviable." It still hits hard, is immune to burn, and has better coverage than normal Marowak. Pre-bank it'll be used plenty at the very least. Very few things can hit THIS hard right off the bat.
 
Whats Stomping Tantrum?

Also on a side note, it gets Flame Charge, so in PU (where it'll like go), that fixes an issue regular Marowak possessed. No Shadow Sneak, but I guess its something?
 

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