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ISOing 3P1K right now then going to do some HW

then hopefully write up my pros/cons then we can no lynch
3P1K said:
lynch knights for revealing scumteam
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Would 3P1K make a vote like this if he was Knights's scumbuddy?

fair OOG reasoning on voting Thunder

I feeel like him saying that he's been lazy WRT the game slightly points to town? he sort of lacks self awareness here?

he's pushing TBZ

3P1K said:
Funny that this is animal mafia, because sheeps are animals too n_n
Reitterating 3 previously states reads then redirecting attention off yourself with a question isnt a good way to get yourself townread~~
Gonna look a little bit closer at this slot brb
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3P1K said:
for now though lynch aubisio
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really like this progression

taking a scum that no one has really been talking about and thursting them into the spotlight feels +town for 3p1k? idk

he's engaging with aubisio

he unvotes while trying to go through ISOs. note that 3p1k was not... super duper active for most of the early game

he votes blazade

his claim: blue hedgehog as a counter to blazade's silver hedgehog

556 is a pretty important post, lets see here:

lists TTM as a scumlean, lists Xnad as a hard scumlean, lists Apricity as a townlean. Moody strong townlean.

the thing is, if 3p1k is scum this game then I feel like he's going to be caught on this reads list, more specifically why he went for the town (TTM) over the scum (Xnad) D2 even though he listed Xnad as a harder scum lean than TTM. 3P1K can you offer thoughts on this, por favor

thetwinmasters (5): 3P1K, apricity, Whydon, MoodyCloud, Earlio

null/town/town/town/town

:thinking:

3P1K said:
NGL as much as i'd like to see some form of effort in the twin's self defense; the pure and utter lack of self pres is bothering me ~_~
Gonna try to flip this again unlynch and lynch xnadrojx I may or may not be back before deadline, deadline hits at like 5am for me so i probably wont be awake as we are out of sodas, thus in this building caffeine is a limited resource.
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why does he do this if he is scumbuddies with Xnad??? does he want to get like last minute distancing done

Xnadroj said:
So uh you scumlean me for being self-preservative yet not being totally self-preservative? I mean pick one you're going to scumread me for, why would I be more avid in my defense if I was town compared to as if I was scum when Texas already showed that he views self-preservation as a scumtell and would prefer people to focus on each other? What does me hedging a TR on Jalmont (I TRed Texas too at that point as well btw) got to do with me being scum, and how was my vote weakly based?
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do you guys think this is something that scum would say to scum

or scum would say to town?

3P1K said:
Not brushing anything off KoC, but you are right; both lynches were at least in part my fault, the twin one almost wholely mine as i did ask to be sheeped onto it. (Assuming wagonomics means logical reading based off wagons? if so i was gonna look into the twin wagon regardless considering how fast it picked up....so sure, i'd be happy to give you your "wagonomics". If im wrong as to what wagonomics means pls correct me).
And as for me asking blazade his thoughts on twin then proceding to start the aforementioned wagon regardless of said thoughts, is at that point i was speculating the logic of blazade+twin (and blazade's slot i would argue looks considerably cleaner for it) and i was going into work at the time, so i had absolutely no clue how many posts i would be able to pull off at work (turns out 2). And if i waited until after work to do it (it was a 4:30-9:30 shift) it was far less likely that i could get my SRs wagon to go through.
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is this something town says to scum or scum says to scum?

he votes aubisio here

3P1k said:
Ig i didnt explicity explain why i switched when i did, twin's utter lack of self defense made me question my read on him, and with multiple people saying jordan (another read of mine) would be a lynch target they were ok with i was more comfortable with lynch going there rather than onto twin. So i was hoping to get if off twin and onto xnad.
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like.. again. why does he do this if he/xnad are scum buddies

distancing maybe, but it just seems so frickin risky to take a mislynch you're fine with and then OH LET'S MOVE THE WAGON TO A SCUMBUDDY.

Xnad said:
OK well there's been a lot of chatter going on but I still have no defense on my case since I've seen no one else apart from Texas provide a decent explanation (I'm not counting links to FH since pre-flip associations are flimsy at best).

There's been a lot of them but pretty much only MoodyCloud's and to an extent, Former Hope has had any real interesting content in their posts.

Saying that, Vote 3P1K.

Their posts rub me the wrong way, like they're fishing for favor from people without any real content they can be held accountable for. Lemme grab a few posts
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again this could be distancing but.. it'd have to be some crazy cross bussing with 3p1k just yanking off the wagon off of twin like that, and Xnad deciding to distance after he voteparked on two townies

KnightsofCydonia said:
unvote vote Epik

I think Epik is the most likely scum out of my scumreads because of how he steered the mislynches and how those mislynches were conditional to a preference over lynching Blazade. When he does vote the slot, he's either been coaxed on by another player or he does so for reasons unrelated to the scumreads on Former.
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look at scum s c r a m b l i n g

3P1K said:
Make scum kill off the PRs imo, if xnad is really alignment cop he doesnt live past tonight more than likely. lynch aubisio
Aubisio i want reads, if you cant do a full fledged readlists thats fine but i at least want something tangible from you; because skating by with easy posts from you that have 0 hint of gamesolving isnt making me like you atm. As for me imma get to work on rereading the game; so i'll be here for awhile if yall wanna talk
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either this is scum crossbussing into oblivion here or 3p1k nailing scum and scum trying to discredit him

occams razor says it is the latter

also I think that Jalmont might be town because Earlio flipped town and then Xnad said that Jalmont + Earlio are town

we're transitioning into endgame, this is where I want to see 3p1k solving

3P1K said:
after running through the iso im pretty set on the aubisio read and really feel thats where the lynch should be
Aubisio: Remained pretty passive throughout the game; very non-commital. Many useless "filler" posts that were safe and relatively nai on their own.
Failing to take a solid stance on the xnad wagon and avoiding lynching the slot in a way that still distances them from xnad.

Then without explanation as to the change of thought process that made them comfortable voting a cop claim Aubisio would like to know what changed your mind here. Between that post and this one.

And the readlists; the only SR they had was a p much universal one at that point (xnad) and a lot of their reads felt extremely non commital fitting right along with the rest of their postings. (didnt take a stand on H/W/KoC situation; called apricity out for overagression=not sure whether its town or scum probs town though, basically aside of the two townreads that we got without any explanation (tex and proph) every other read had astericks next to it).
Probably dont need to restate this but its part of my read so imma do it anyways: What seals the deal for me though is the claim; unless there is more to it than he is leading on, it makes no sense as a town role.Especially in a game with multiple investigatives
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really pushes aubisio hard here. pretty good look for him? hm. thing is, is he pushing for towncred/get to last person alive, or is he pushing because he genuinely believes aubisio is scum

3P1K said:
Since im probs not getting my aubisio lynch today unlynch and lynch KoC for now at least. Meant to do that when i posted the readlists
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boom boom boom

if he's committed to bussing no way he votes moody there I feel

3P1K said:
Im like 90% sure jalmont was just doing it for shits and giggles tbh; from a behavioral standpoint that isnt too far fetched either consider his general tone leading up to that point in the game. Tbh idt i can support a jalmont lynch today
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this is a chance for 3p1k to mislynch jalmont and he doesn't take it

and yeah he tries to decipher aubisio's post

okay I am done. skipped some posts but I don't they were super duper alignment indicative

tldr - willing to lose the game if he's scum. his gamesolving has been pretty solid but the main things that clear him for me are the attempt to move onto xnad d2 + xnad AND knights pressuring him d3 + him just wrecking aubisio and knights later days. this could be another hitmonleet situation but he's been around and solving during endgame, which is why I am willing to extend him the pass here.
 
I am at the point where I am thinking:

We should no lynch in order to figure out who the scum decide to clear, but I really think that Former Hope is the last scum and should be lynched in final 3

dude's played a really impressive game but the 24 hours I've had away from the game really made me think and yeah, I think this is the right choice

- terrible interactions with scum
- just works on churning out ISOs for his endgame play, with none of the nuance I expect a townie to go through? if you read his posts his goal isn't really to solve the game per se, it's to spew as many ISOs in order to look townie and to clear himself
- jalmont is town because messenger, 3p1k is town because interactions. i'm town because lol. moody is town because tree stump
- redirector is a sketch claim and he hasn't proven his n1 action.

so yeah. dude's played a wicked game but I think it's really time to settle things

Vote No Lynch

see my previous ISOs if you want to hear my thoughts in case I get killed but I think it's open and shut

if we lose to jalmont/3p1k, then gg impressive play, but I just won a game where one of the scum was a supersaint and the last scum hammered them to get them both killed so... fine taking an L on this one. can pat myself in the back knowing i did the endgame work, and ofc gg to scum for playing well

if we lose, spectators, please tell me what went wrong in my endgame process so I can improve. after losing a couple of extremely painful endgames I really put in the time to do them better and this game/others is the result of that
 
Anyways, in twilight no my goal hasn't been spewing ISO's, rather just well, the basic level of figuring out the scum. (Plus, I actually basically never read the game in a evaluating manner prior to me joining the game so it was an interesting thing going back)

And yeah, I can see why people did SR blazade for those interactions. But well, not much I can say on that besides that sucks.

Prophylaxis what do you mean my N1 action ?.?
 
I mean yeah. Okay, and it's not like it's even possible to confirm that so? I'm confused.

As for why XX wouldn't claim that, no idea. Probably wasn't going off of his role PM and stuff since like I said earlier, I explicity put my action into the thread and if we were on a scum team, I'd sure as hell communicate a play like that in advance. Which is why I've said before the whole thing feels more NAI, even after he's flipped scum
 
Speaking of the nommy game....
Prophylaxis said:
lists TTM as a scumlean, lists Xnad as a hard scumlean, lists Apricity as a townlean. Moody strong townlean.

the thing is, if 3p1k is scum this game then I feel like he's going to be caught on this reads list, more specifically why he went for the town (TTM) over the scum (Xnad) D2 even though he listed Xnad as a harder scum lean than TTM. 3P1K can you offer thoughts on this, por favor
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Admittedly while i did read xnad a bit more; behavourally i found twin to be just as scummy if not scummier @ the time; with fmpov their only town merit being that clear i pointed at the beginning of second day. And after being pointed out by (somebody idr who) that thats a very wifomable clear i began to doubt it and got reminded of how we borderline cleared asek during the (second? first? idr) set of nominations back during that game. And asek's advice post game about trying not to read to deeply about scum controlled facets of the game. Basically my own paranoia regarding how i chalked them up as town originally.
 
3P1K said:

"Since im probs not getting my aubisio lynch today unlynch and lynch KoC for now at least. Meant to do that when i posted the readlists"

boom boom boom

if he's committed to bussing no way he votes moody there I feel




Formatting is lame and im lazy but where did i vote moody? Meant KoC??
 
Former Hope said:
I mean yeah. Okay, and it's not like it's even possible to confirm that so? I'm confused.

As for why XX wouldn't claim that, no idea. Probably wasn't going off of his role PM and stuff since like I said earlier, I explicity put my action into the thread and if we were on a scum team, I'd sure as hell communicate a play like that in advance. Which is why I've said before the whole thing feels more NAI, even after he's flipped scum
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This interaction is the ONLY thing keeping me from completely shoving every last of vote i have directly onto your slot. And it bothers me.
 
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