April statistics from Shoddy Battle are up

Amazing Ampharos

is a Researcher Alumnus
http://shoddybattle.com/stats

Some things to consider about them.

Using the 75% model for OU, there are 47 Pokemon in OU in standard and 15 Pokemon in "OU" in ubers.

Wobbuffet's use hasn't really changed at all (he's #43 for both months), but Charizard and Smeargle both continue to rise. Logically, we can conclude that Wobbuffet is actually declining as a general choice and is more and more only being seen on teams designed around him.

Speaking of Wobbuffet, he managed to beat Dugtrio this month, but that's entirely owed to Dugtrio's declining use.

Deoxys-e barely justifies his recent move to OU on smogon by again coming just a hair away from BL. However, much like in February, he held onto the last spot instead of dropping.

Garchomp's lead as #1 OU Pokemon has risen somewhat.

Tentacruel has rebounded and re-established himself as a long term member of OU.

Onto ubers, it's ridiculously centralized as expected. Kyogre far and away blows away all the other Pokemon in terms of use, and second place Dialga has another ridiculously huge lead on everyone below him. To highlight the scope, first place has nearly double the points third place has. Usage then declines somewhat more steadily after those two. Any project to begin by banning a few Pokemon out of ubers and observing the decentralization would first want to strongly consider these two.

The "uber OU" Pokemon who are allowed in standard are Blissey (#3), Metagross (#13), and Tyranitar (#15).

The lowest ranking Pokemon in ubers who is banned in standard is the normal Deoxys form at 98th. Ignoring him, the next place is Ho-oh at 24th. I should point out that Ho-oh loses to 23rd Deoxys-l by a lot of points while barely beating out 25th Heatran who we can presume is competing for a similar role (being Groudon's sunny buddy). Perhaps Ho-oh deserves discussion more than Manaphy and Lati@s (just throwing it out there)?

I could say more, but I'll stop now and leave this topic for the discussion of the statistics.
 
Imo, the only reason I can think of why Wobby isn't used is because people probably still percieve him as uber, even if he's allowed in OU on Shoddy. Just my thought. I'd probably argue the same thing for Deoxys-E, but as his movement from Uber to OU on Shoddy was much more publicized...well, dunno why people don't use him more. Maybe ScarfGar has everyone afraid to bother trying.
 
I like looking at the leads. Bronzong went past Gengar to take number 1, and Gyara dropped from 3 to 4 and Tyranitar went up from 4 to 3. I never got lead T-Tars. A lot of leads have the potential to do some massive damage. Bronzong and Swampert, both in the top 10, pretty much wall it completely, and Hippo wins against Ice Beam-less T-Tars. Gengar Focus Blasts or gets a free Hypnosis, and only a special defense oriented T-Tar can take a Focus Blast from Gar. Gyara can Intimidate, and is ensured a DD unless it is carrying T-Bolt. I've found most lead Mences are either Specs or Mix, and Brick Break absolutely demolishes T-Tar, who is outsped. It takes on Specs well though. Azelf is another one of the few leads he does pretty well against. Yanmega can deal massive damage (although likely won't OHKO), and Ninjask is just lol. Does anyone honestly lead with Ninjask? Well, apparently people do since it's ninth, although it's insanely overrated. =\ The only reason I can see why people would lead with Tyranitar is for the sand, but you don't exactly need sand turn 1, do you...?

Well, my two cents.
 
I think they may perhaps be careful CB tars, hoping to lure the ScarfGar leads into Focus Blasting turn one only to live and OHKO back.
 
Cool, I called it that Kyogre and Dialga would be top 2. If move set statistics were taken, I would reckon that Rest Sleep Talk Calm Mind Surf Kyogre and Rest Sleep Talk Bulk Up Dragon Claw Dialga were the two most used sets.

With the high special bias of ubers, it is no surprise that Blissey is #3.

Well, since we have this "no bans" environment, and statistics for about a month have been collected...is anyone going to start up a server banning Kyogre and Dialga? Since we haven't actually come to what our "objective" "overly centralizing" line is, I am just arbitrarily choosing #1 and #2, since there is such a huge gap there.

Just saying, I mean, we've seen a lot of talk about this subject but little call to action. Getting a server up that banned the two most used Pokemon (by far) would be a great start.
 
I'm seeing a further decrease in Skarmory, down to #13th in weighted. Bronzong is comfortable at #7, we have Gliscor #14, Forretress #17, Cresselia #21. More and more evidence that the metagame is on an offensive shift
 
Smeargle is more used than Ho-oh in UBERs... why?

Dragonite: 41 -> 36. DDNite is a great revenge killer. It needs more usage.
Entei: 199 -> 200. xD Poor Entei, I can't understand this...
Jynx: 135 -> 160. 25 down... it's quite useful and unpredectible. PSonger, Luna, Scarfed, Specs...

I saw those ones quite interesting.
 
Behold, Sunkern is more popular than Drapion as a lead in ubers!

Other than that, I see no real surprises. Bronzong as a #1 lead is quite safe, I suppose I might shift Magnezone to my lead position for fun.

Dragonite is not a good revenge killer. In fact, it's one of the worst. Very mediocre speed, and its most powerful move (Outrage) leaves it trapped in.

Jynx is down so low because it's super frail and Stealth Rock weak. It may be able to hurt things, but so can nearly everything else.
 
After one Dragon Dance, Dragonite gets 405 speed, +500 Attack, and with Dragon-Fire-Ground combo, you will have problems to stop it. Outrage locks you, but it's supposed to be a late game sweeper, so you will try to kill his steel "counters" with something like Magnezone and maybe Dugtrio. It OHKO's or 2HKO's every poke in OU after one Dragon Dance. If you give it a Yache Berry, Weavile and Mamoswine will have a great surprise with Ice Shard.

If you see a Jynx, what poke would you send? You send Blissey, but be careful, because Mean Look could give you problems with Perish Song and Lovely Kiss. You send a sweeper, but Ice Beam, Psychic, Grass Knot and Shadow Ball/Focus Blast/HP Ground with a scarf could give you some problems with this great coverage. The main problem is Stealth Rock, but Blissey should be careful anyway... in my opinion, no safe switch in. The forth slot is the key of the counter in the Choice Specs once Blissey is out. With Shadow Ball Heatran and Magnezone can counter it, with Focus Blast Dusknoir can do it, and with HP Ground Dusknoir and Tyranitar could be a problem.
 
Wow! Some interesting finds.
Rotom and Absol see more usage than all Regis.
Beedrill sees more usage than Dodrio, Golem and Vespiquen.
Plusle and Bulbasaur see more usage than Solrock!
Sunkern has more usage than Sunflora wtf!
 
why is smeargle used more then ho-oh in ubers?
because ho-oh cant knock a pokemon down to 12 HP guarenteed ;)
i still think maybe some work needs doing to stop the same 3 pokemon dominating the 3 spots every month (garhcomp always top by a large margin especially this month as people are laming sand stream again).

as for jask being 9th i rarely see the thing, i use one as its key to getting my pokemon going speed wise, but i heasrd there were a few floating around yesterday.
smeargles climbing doesnt surprise me, its a good lead to have or a good covering poke due to its diverse movepool
 
I'm wonder why no-one has even noticed yet as far as the new statistics are concerned Alakazam has been steadily rising back into the OU ranks. If this progress keeps up, Alakazam should officially be OU again next month.
 
alakazam is a good pokemon, i used to run it, i replaced it with mixape though due to the ammount of irritating pokemon
 
Wow Claydol is at 71 in weighted usage. Putting it above things like Medicham, Steelix, Espeon and Leafeon. Back to BL some time soon maybe?

I still can't believe Celebi is still in the mid teens when it comes to usage.
 
Definitely gonna have to take credit for Steelix being 37th in ubers O_o

Also Vaporeon to an extent, but I'm obviously not the only one that uses it.
 
Anyone know if there's any way in which to find out which movesets were used the most, or if there are any plans to obtain that sort of information in the future?
 
With the "throwing it out there" thing, I think Ho-oh would be way too good for OU. Sacred Fire and 154 SDef makes up for Stealth Rock.

I'd have thought Heatran would be more popular; he's like a special Metagross with better STAB (and typing).

Is it just me or is Celebi surging? Also, is it just me or are purely 100% usage-based tiers kinda silly? Also, Claydol won't become BL by being used more, as BL is power, not usage. Same reason why Mime is down in UU along with Gastrodon.

Gah, I wish people would be less enamored with Stealth Rock (omg it does 12% on average to stuff I must have a whole Pokémon for it regardless of the wasted utility, vulnerability to taunt, or otherwise!!!!!!111). It's no fun to screw over Bronzong leads.
 
Trust said:
After one Dragon Dance, Dragonite gets 405 speed, +500 Attack, and with Dragon-Fire-Ground combo, you will have problems to stop it. Outrage locks you, but it's supposed to be a late game sweeper, so you will try to kill his steel "counters" with something like Magnezone and maybe Dugtrio. It OHKO's or 2HKO's every poke in OU after one Dragon Dance. If you give it a Yache Berry, Weavile and Mamoswine will have a great surprise with Ice Shard.
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You literally just explained why DDnite is NOT a good revenge killer. Something that needs at least one turn of set up, and several support pokemon to take out its 100% counters is not a revenge killer.

Anyways, I'm not surprised. Wobb and D-S were great pokemon when they were introduced into OU, but as people started realizing that stopping them is about 100x easier than stopping things like Garchomp, they finally started coming around. Once that initial shock of "oh god that is "uber" what do i do" died out, people started to snap out of it.

At this pace Wobb and D-S, pokemon who many people claimed are so obviously uber and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass, are going to be BL less than three months after they were both allowed XD.

I wonder if the rise in Bronzong use, and the fact that things like Skarmory, Metagross, Forry, Celebi, Starmie, Cress and Gliscor are in the top 20 means that the game is slowly shifting to a more defensive side to accomodate for D-S, but this means that Wobba should be having a field day :(
 
Yeah, ho-oh (in my opinion) is a bit too powerful for OU, despite the fact he takes 50% from stealth rock every time he comes in.

Tier wise, I think that usage is a fair enough test, apart from the gap between OU and Ubers, because certain Ubers don't see much usage but would be game-breaking in OU
 
Amazing Ampharos said:
Wobbuffet's use hasn't really changed at all (he's #43 for both months), but Charizard and Smeargle both continue to rise....
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I'm really curious what the Charizard users are doing. Specs? Belly Drum? Some other surprise?

Stealth Rocks isn't Charizard's friend, that's why he dropped off my team.
 
Ambitions said:
Wow Claydol is at 71 in weighted usage. Putting it above things like Medicham, Steelix, Espeon and Leafeon. Back to BL some time soon maybe?
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Actually if you think about it, thats probably due to the fact it was demoted to UU causing bias in its usuage. In standards it couldn't do anything particularly well, however in UU it filled a massive void which was desperately needed. Consider BL's are banned from UU but allowed in standard where they are usually dropped in favour of others and you have your explanation for why some top tier UU's are used more than BL's.
 
I think that there are a good number or people who don't know that Wobby and Deoxys-e are OU now or will refuse to use them because they still consider them in uber in their eyes. Just check my sig and you will see some examples of what I mean, I have had a good number of people leave and usually say something about it after Deoxys-e was ripping through there team just because they didn't know how to counter it or didn't have one at all.
 
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