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I played a lot in this randomise meta mode but i see that some pokemon forms are missing from that. Before S/M came out it was possible to draw Therian forms of Thundurus, Tornadus and Landorus but now when its [Gen 7] Challange Cup 1v1 this forms are missing. Why ? They are banned now ?

Also there is a problem with Oricorio forms. I played like 5k+ matches and draw only Baile Style form always. So where are Pom-Pom, Pa'u and Sensu ?

It's really weird. I thought that in this mode you can draw anything and in 6th gen that was it.

Please fix it if possible. Unless they are just banned ;( Stange. Rest forms and items are possible to draw...
 

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Hey

I played a lot in this randomise meta mode but i see that some pokemon forms are missing from that. Before S/M came out it was possible to draw Therian forms of Thundurus, Tornadus and Landorus but now when its [Gen 7] Challange Cup 1v1 this forms are missing. Why ? They are banned now ?

Also there is a problem with Oricorio forms. I played like 5k+ matches and draw only Baile Style form always. So where are Pom-Pom, Pa'u and Sensu ?

It's really weird. I thought that in this mode you can draw anything and in 6th gen that was it.

Please fix it if possible. Unless they are just banned ;( Stange. Rest forms and items are possible to draw...
while i can't check the code right now (and there are probably a lot of people able to do that better than me) it just looks like you've been unlucky
 
while i can't check the code right now (and there are probably a lot of people able to do that better than me) it just looks like you've been unlucky
Not only me. Enemies also always draw Baile style and like i said Therian forms never seen in gen 7 version of Challenge Cup 1v1. This must be some issue with that Oricorio's but im not sure what's the deal with Forces of Nature trio. Therian forms were available in gen 6 version more than year ago

Also I realized that 10% forme of Zygarde is missing. You can roll 50% form and that default form for this mode. Perfect forme is possible only when you draw ''Power Construct'' ability. Im pretty sure that at the beginning of testing gen 7 it was possible to draw all Zygarde forms
 
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HoeenHero

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Hey

I played a lot in this randomise meta mode but i see that some pokemon forms are missing from that. Before S/M came out it was possible to draw Therian forms of Thundurus, Tornadus and Landorus but now when its [Gen 7] Challange Cup 1v1 this forms are missing. Why ? They are banned now ?

Also there is a problem with Oricorio forms. I played like 5k+ matches and draw only Baile Style form always. So where are Pom-Pom, Pa'u and Sensu ?

It's really weird. I thought that in this mode you can draw anything and in 6th gen that was it.

Please fix it if possible. Unless they are just banned ;( Stange. Rest forms and items are possible to draw...
Nothing has changed, the generator picks 6 random unique pokemon (this means that you cant have 2 oricorio with different formes).
 
Nothing has changed, the generator picks 6 random unique pokemon (this means that you cant have 2 oricorio with different formes).
So how does it work with Kyurem case ? You can now draw default Kyurem, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Also different Wormadam and Rotom formes so what you say doesn't make sense. Why with Oricorio would be different ?

I don't mean 2 different Oricorio's in one match. I mean general. Only Baile style you can draw... Never saw rest of them.
 

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So how does it work with Kyurem case ? You can now draw default Kyurem, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Also different Wormadam and Rotom formes so what you say doesn't make sense. Why with Oricorio would be different ?

I don't mean 2 different Oricorio's in one match. I mean general. Only Baile style you can draw... Never saw rest of them.
Theres 3 kyruem formes, only 1 can appear on any given team, and for the rest you mentioned.

You just have bad luck, nothing has changed.
 
Theres 3 kyruem formes, only 1 can appear on any given team, and for the rest you mentioned.

You just have bad luck, nothing has changed.
Very, very strange. I draw a lot of times all of Rotom and Wormadam forms for example but Oricorio ? Only Baile and like i said not only in my team. Enemies also have only Baile. You say that nothing has changed but It's not about changes things but add things. Maybe when you add 7 gen pokemon you only add this one form to the generator ? I been watching it for a long time. This Oricorio case. I Think its some bug. Check if you can for peace of mind.

And what about other things i said ? Therian forms for Forces of Nature trio in 6th gen version were often drawn. You can draw normal and Therian form then. Now only normal. Whole year of playing and never saw it. 5k+ or even more matches. You maybe change some or ban them.
 

HoeenHero

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Very, very strange. I draw a lot of times all of Rotom and Wormadam forms for example but Oricorio ? Only Baile and like i said not only in my team. Enemies also have only Baile. You say that nothing has changed but It's not about changes things but add things. Maybe when you add 7 gen pokemon you only add this one form to the generator ? I been watching it for a long time. This Oricorio case. I Think its some bug. Check if you can for peace of mind.

And what about other things i said ? Therian forms for Forces of Nature trio in 6th gen version were often drawn. You can draw normal and Therian form then. Now only normal. Whole year of playing and never saw it. 5k+ or even more matches. You maybe change some or ban them.
I did check the code when i made my original comment. This is NOT a bug, the code is the same as gen 6.
 
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Well that's me again. Last two days I made statistics in Challange Cup 1v1. I went in and out as spectator and focus only on Oricorios and guess what ? On 127 Oricorios i met all of them was Baile style... This is not about my luck for sure its clear statistics....

I noticed that in your smogon's pokedex Baile style Oricorio is described differently. Rest of forms are named like this ''Oricorio-Pa'u'' etc but Baile style is just ''Oricorio''


Maybe that's a problem and game code treat other Oricorios in other way and it's impossible to draw them...

Really. I'm not here to to look for problems or bugs in your game by force but to help fix sth you didn't notice for a long time... Hope you find any solution
 
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Well that's me again. Last two days I made statistics in Challange Cup 1v1. I went in and out as spectator and focus only on Oricorios and guess what ? On 127 Oricorios i met all of them was Baile style... This is not about my luck for sure its clear statistics....

I noticed that in your smogon's pokedex Baile style Oricorio is described differently. Rest of forms are named like this ''Oricorio-Pa'u'' etc but Baile style is just ''Oricorio''


Maybe that's a problem and game code treat other Oricorios in other way and it's impossible to draw them...

Really. I'm not here to to look for problems or bugs in your game by force but to help fix sth you didn't notice for a long time... Hope you find any solution
Having a quick look at the usage stats, Pokemon with different forms such as Rotom, Kyurem, Wormadam seem to be 'weighted' by form. Most regular Pokemon have a usage stat of ~0.7% whereas the Rotom forms have ~0.12% usage each. Collectively though they have ~0.72% showing that different forms are not considered 'separate' Pokemon when a team is generated. I'm guessing a form is randomly selected once Rotom is chosen for a team. Oricorio on the other hand has ~0.73% usage and none of its forms are listed in the usage stats. I'm assuming Oricorio forms are just not in the CC1v1 pool.
 
I'm assuming Oricorio forms are just not in the CC1v1 pool.
That's the point. I was right. Why ? In CC 1v1 they should be in pool like other forms like Rotom forms etc.

I thought that in Challange Cup 1v1 it's anything goes and all of pokemon are available... Am right ?

So I see in this usage stats that except Oricorio forms. Deoxys forms, Zygarde forms (10%), Therian forms of trio, Unbound Hoopa, Origin Giratina, Keldeo and Shaymin forms also missing

So i please again any moderator who knows how to fix it ;) Fix it ;) Like i said in 6th gen version that looks otherwise (Therian forms for sure was in pool)

edit: I checked some stats from 2016:
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-05/challengecup1v1-0.txt

And i was right again. In 6th gen Therian form was included. Also other that now missing. So HoeenHero are sure about that nothing wasn't change in code ? Stats shows something else. Back then you can even roll Arceus-Grass etc. All Deoxys forms etc. Something is broken now ;(

Thx ToadBrigade to show me that such statistics exist and confirm my theory
 
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Has this been solved?
 
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Correct me if I am wrong: Skill swap is supposed to remove the abilities off of pokemon and if that pokemon skill swap dies, they take the ability with them.

In one of my games, I was using Deoxys speed to set up hazards and my opponent sends out yvaltal to counter my psychic type, is what I would presume, so I outspeed him get my rocks out on my first tern and get knocked down to my focus sash by a dark pulse. I planned to keep skill swap to mess over primal-Kyogre and Ultra-Necrazma and seeing that I can handle life without Deoxys speed I decided to inconvenience the being of destruction. I may not have paid too much attention to see if this particular psychic move would affect this dark type. However when the yvaltal returned it had its aura and pushed the balance in the game to the point where I would lose. I feel as if this would be a bug and should be tested.

Thank you for looking into this.
 

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I asked the room a bunch and got nothing. I'd really hate having to bother an admin for this.
 
Has this been solved?
I looked into what happened.

Zarel merged the Challenge Cup and Hackmons Cup team generation code in November of 2016. However, there was a subtle difference between the two team generators. The old Challenge Cup team generator initially allowed all forms, but then disallowed the following forms later:
  • All Mega Evolutions
  • All Primal Reversions
  • Aegislash-Blade
  • All Arceus forms (except Arceus-Normal)
  • All Castform forms (except regular Castform)
  • Cherrim-Sunshine
  • Darmanitan-Zen
  • All Genesect forms (except regular Genesect)
  • Meloetta-Pirouette
  • Minior-Meteor
  • Mimikyu-Busted
Unfortunately Zarel replaced it with the Hackmons Cup team generator, which also disallows the following Pokémon:
  • Basculin-Blue-Striped
  • All Deoxys forms (except regular Deoxys)
  • Giratina-Origin
  • All Gourgeist forms (except regular Gourgeist)
  • Hoopa-Unbound
  • Keldeo-Resolute
  • All Oricorio forms (except Oricorio-Baile)
  • All Pumpkaboo forms (except regular Pumpkaboo)
  • Shaymin-Sky
  • All Silvally forms (except Silvally-Normal)
  • All Therian forms
  • All Zygarde forms (except Zygarde-50%)
I've created a PR to address this.
 
Unfortunately Zarel replaced it with the Hackmons Cup team generator, which also disallows the following Pokémon
So what now ? Did you bring them back in the future ?

The old Challenge Cup team generator initially allowed all forms, but then disallowed the following forms later
That means that you want to disallowed forms from your first list, but after generator change forms from second list are disallowed and after all forms from first list are still allowed ?

Well the simplest solution it would be a creation most complete generator but i don't know do you still want banned some forms from that mode. If not ? Nothing stands in the way. I understand that it takes time (or not ? and this is very easy and quick :heart:).

Thank you for answer for all my questions and please write what you plan to do with it ;) I love play CC 1v1, but from a long time i felt that is not complete. Even without looking on stats
 
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That means that you want to disallowed forms from your first list, but after generator change forms from second list are disallowed and after all forms from first list are still allowed ?
After my change, the forms in the second list are now allowed in Challenge Cup again; those in the first list are still not allowed. However, forms in both lists are now allowed in Hackmons Cup, which is a breaking change.
 

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