Autism and the Internet

Many now self-identify as autistic as though autism were a fashion label rather than a debilitating disorder."
This personally has gotten me quite worried for the past few years and ever since I actually rediscovered what autism actually does to me I always seem to consider 'am I overdoing it?' I also wonder if I'm sometimes overly judging people either because this sort of knock-on effect has caused people to become more wary of if someone actually qualifies for being autistic and so people who actually have issues with nerve-racking situations can just feel cornered because the one reason they can explain why is denied by people who think they're pandering and trying to get away from it. It's just seemingly negative all-throughout and nobody really knows a solution as far as I'm aware.
 

Myzozoa

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This personally has gotten me quite worried for the past few years and ever since I actually rediscovered what autism actually does to me I always seem to consider 'am I overdoing it?' I also wonder if I'm sometimes overly judging people either because this sort of knock-on effect has caused people to become more wary of if someone actually qualifies for being autistic and so people who actually have issues with nerve-racking situations can just feel cornered because the one reason they can explain why is denied by people who think they're pandering and trying to get away from it. It's just seemingly negative all-throughout and nobody really knows a solution as far as I'm aware.
yah i had this great professor in college, kind of nerdy old guy but with a historical sensibility if that makes sense, who threw in a comment at one of his lectures like 'how much eye contact is normal?' this guy I could see some perhaps overly-judgemental ppl describing him as autistic, but thats neither here nor there. To me, what is more to the point is that his comment calls attention to questions like 'what is normal social functioning and does it make sense to focus on certain behaviors as evidence of social deficit?' People used to say that people w autism have trouble making eye contact, but I don't fit a common sense understanding of autism afaik, but the years when I was suffering the worst traumas, I def didn't make a lot of eye contact. anyway, sorry to get all anecdotal in this perhaps tangential way, but your comment about people becoming self-conscious about how their behaviors can be interpreted to locate them on a spectrum got me reminiscing...
 
yah i had this great professor in college, kind of nerdy old guy but with a historical sensibility if that makes sense, who threw in a comment at one of his lectures like 'how much eye contact is normal?' this guy I could see some perhaps overly-judgemental ppl describing him as autistic, but thats neither here nor there. To me, what is more to the point is that his comment calls attention to questions like 'what is normal social functioning and does it make sense to focus on certain behaviors as evidence of social deficit?' People used to say that people w autism have trouble making eye contact, but I don't fit a common sense understanding of autism afaik, but the years when I was suffering the worst traumas, I def didn't make a lot of eye contact. anyway, sorry to get all anecdotal in this perhaps tangential way, but your comment about people becoming self-conscious about how their behaviors can be interpreted to locate them on a spectrum got me reminiscing...
to me it's been more of the case of the opposite that I've been diagnosed with Asperger's since 6 but my family has chosen to ignore it entirely because they wanted me to grow up normally, it was only until I met another aspie that I actually understood where my faults were coming from and I started to feel a bit more controlled about it. What I found was that the reasons they did that was because they were scared it would escalate into all of my arguments and I would kinda say it did me more harm than it did me good because I wouldn't have known about my behaviours and why they happened for a long time. It's that marked effect on your life that is what I'd define an autistic spectrum disorder on, if it's severe enough that it notably effects conversations outside of normal ranges
 
cw: mentions of police, mentions of torture, mentions of sexual assault, institutionalization, dehumanization of autistic folks, just in general heavy stuff



The following is my take on the snippet that Myzozoa has posted that was written by Tom Clemens in The Guardian. I'm all for the thrust of the direction I think Myzozoa might be getting out of that passage, namely that the autistic community needs to start centralizing non-verbal and high support autistic folks, but I think there is (intentionally) disguised subtext steering this impulse to the wrong place that is laden in the article.

I've been hesitant to get into this thread because of the disproportionate stakes between many of the thread's participants on claims of autistic identity, as I am autistic and such constructions of identity are deeply important to me in the way I conduct myself as I go through my life and the way I relate to myself as a human being. I admit to feeling a tad vulnerable here. I do not express such hesitancy as a way to foreshorten criticism to the argument I will be presenting in this post, but rather as a way to bring awareness of the complex contextual factors that are operating in this thread and how they might affect the way I am presenting my argument in this post.

I'd argue that the conceptual construction of 'severe' autism versus 'mild' autism predicates itself on a linear construction of the autistic spectrum that deflects from the fluid traversal between different modes of autistic being that characterize the conceptualization of the autistic spectrum that employed by the autistic self-advocacy community. In short, both the conceptualization of 'severe' and 'mild' autism harm both those ascribed the label of 'mild' and those ascribed the label of 'severe'. Please do note that I do believe that there is a meaningful discrepancy to made between high support and low support autistic folks, as well as for verbal and non-verbal autistic folks. I believe that many autistic spaces fail to properly prioritize high support and non-verbal autistic voices and reify systemic harm as a result. I'm also inclined to believe very little of the rhetoric that is performed at the these 'competitive advantages of neurodiversity' sort of places, like stop gearing neurodiversity to be complacent with the logics of capitalism when that very capitalism reifies the system of institutionalization that mass imprisons and tortures a broad part of the autistic community. Nonetheless, I strongly believe Tom Clemens' tact of gearing such impulses to revolve around the conceptual apparatus of 'severity' that leads to his eventual conclusion that the autistic label has become too broad is wrong-headed and downright manipulative.

Speaking from personal experience, the divide between 'severe' autism and 'mild' autism results in a divide in the way people characterize you depending on the way they identify you from your behaviors and mannerisms. The cultural imagination of an autistic individual is that of the imagery of the meltdown, the display of violence that wrests control of the autistic individual's actions and belies their lack of an ability to maintain the intention behind their actions. Wrought from this is the belief that 'the autism is taking over', the idea that autism somehow parasitically ingrains its way into a person's identity such that it undermines their very control over their personhood. When someone refers to 'severe' autism, they are referring to this autistic individual that is supposedly characterized by their lack of personhood (let me take this opportunity to say that, contrary to the predominate cultural conception, autistic people do not have a compromised sense of personhood - I hope you can just trust me on this, as its very miserable to argue that your community belies personhood). Note that Clemens, when he refers to 'severely' autistic individual, characterizes them centrally as the sort who would be prone to lashing out and soiling themselves, the very kind of depersonalization that I am referring to. In what world would the so-called 'severely' autistic person want to be centrally presented as the sort who pisses themselves? This is not the sort of language employed by a person genuinely interested in representative justice.

This cultural perception presents the problem with the 'severe' autism label quite clearly - if one is autistic, then they don't bely complete personhood. If one belies seemingly complete personhood, they aren't really autistic. Regardless of how one is characterized, they either are culturally regarded as not a fully a person or their claims to being autistic are not only not valid but are also malicious attempts at attention grabbing, watering things down for the 'severe' autistic person. And people fluidly traverse between these categories depending on how they are socially categorized. Like, personal experience here, when I'm on the verge of a shutdown and lose the ability to coherently put forth sentences, I'm in the 'severe' category and people will call a person of 'authority' (usually either the police or whoever is in charge of the building (then the police)) to 'properly manage' me. Even after I regain the ability to speak, sometimes I am not treated as if my words mean anything and the decision regarding how to support me is wrest from my hands. When I vocal stim, I'm often a huge question mark for people and they don't know how to treat me. When I'm not belying any visible signs of autism, I'm often then treated as if I am not autistic and just a poser. It's entirely contextual, and navigating my own performativity is a necessary feature of getting through my life safely. The fixity implied by the dichotomization of 'severe' and 'mild' provides no recourse to express these contextual dynamics to people. The social basis in which these labels are ascribed just don't have the kind of secure foundation for them to be successfully employed to any autistic individual, whether or not they have been historically ascribed 'severe' more often or whether they are more often ascribed 'mild'.

Not to mention that self-advocacy efforts that also refuse to parse things in terms of 'severe' and 'mild' autism actually address problems such as subminimum wage, practices of torture such as electrocution in institutions, tackle the deeply problematic nursing home system, among other things. Whereas the major charities, beneficiaries of the non-profit industrial complex, do use language of 'severe' and 'mild' and instantiate tangible harm onto the autistic community. Take Autism Speaks, which links to the Judge Rotenburg Center (link at bottom of post) on their web portal and offers resources teaching parents to go through the five stages of grief when their child is diagnosed with autism as if they had died. If one truly wants to look at the deployment of language and which language should be used, they should look towards the way these words are used and the kinds of people who use these terms, and its clear that the people who use the terms 'severe' and 'mild' autism as well as those who worry about the overexpansiveness of the term 'autistic' are the kinds reifying the kinds of systemic harm as described above.

Note that I do have gripes with the way autistic self-advocacy still centers white voices, so I'm not completely saying that self-advocacy is perfect either, but it is certainly the preferable alternative of the two options.

Here's a link to an article offering first person accounts of the Judge Rotenburg Center, of which the largest autism charity (Autism Speaks, also known as Autism $peaks) links to, to get a sense of the non-profit industrial complex in motion and the sort of resources provided by those that refer to 'severe' autism. Please note that this article provides visceral descriptions of sexual assault and torture: https://miscellanynews.org/2019/05/...enberg-center-tortures-its-disabled-students/

I draw a good portion of my argument from the quite frankly better, but also really long, arguments presented in the text Authoring Autism: On Rhetoric and Neurological Queerness by Melanie Yergeau. It's a very academic-y book, so maybe most people wouldn't be particularly interested in reading it, but its an excellent one that provides the historical background and thoroughness that I was too lazy to provide here. Will cite that book literally anywhere, even on a Pokemon forum.

Also Tom Clemens has written for Quilette and Areospace, which alone doesn't suffice as an argument against the piece but should give a pretty good sense of where this piece is politically located (it is consistent with the logic of the alt right, stems from the idea that identity centered rhetoric is a form of 'grievance politics' (another intentionally misleading concept, but one for another day)). It's good to get a sense of the community the writer is involved in, and I hope you take from that what you will.
 

Myzozoa

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I def agree that the language of the article, particularly at the end of the passage I bolded was dehumanizing and contributes to institutional blindness, as does the 'severe/non-severe' schema. I think it's clear we agree about centering high support individuals, still I have noticed a worrying paranoia about group homes among disability self advocates that borders on a conspiracy to put people who would benefit from a lot of support in situations where they would get less. Like, group homes will all be gone in 10 years if certain self advocates have their way, thats not gonna do much for people that need supports.

My main interest in posting that article was to question everyday uses of autism spectrum languages by people who aren't self-advocates or otherwise invested in these debates about neurodiversity, I was not aware of the authors association w quilette that is definitely a reason in and of itself to be skeptical as it is an Islamophobic thinktank.
 

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this title keeps catching me off guard honestly

ive lived in a therapy home, a sort of group home scenario, supposedly the best in the netherlands, and it mostly sucked for me. It seemed ok for my colleagues though so i guess ymmv
 
I might be one, but somehow I am okay with joking about them, still. But anti-vaxxers just piss me off. They treat autism like it is as bad as cancer. It is not easy to deal with, but it's not some really terrible disorder that people should be in prison for having. Everyone should just calm down and realize that autists are people too.
 
My girlfriend recently became friends with another high functioning autistic girl. They met randomly at the same psychology conference. She is super excited to find another young woman with whom she can relate to and I am really happy for her.
I'm throughly convinced that for autistic people this is the best thing that can happen to them. Finding other people who can not only relate to your struggle but understand you much better is the reason I ended up understanding how asperger's effected me and I feel like this is what prevents the estranged feeling that autistic people can get from society. I'm super happy for your girlfriend and I honestly hope more people end up meeting that way, as I did with my friend
 
Kind of interesting to find this here, given that thinking about RPG mechanics have helped my figure out a few things about life. For example, take teamwork. You go to elementary school and, for marking-related reasons, everybody in a group has to contribute to every part of the project. In other words, it's just like doing a solo project, but with added logistic and social difficulties. But in gaming, specialism is encouraged. By having a dedicated sweeper and wall, you can usually get more done than with two bulky attackers. RPGs tell us that it's okay to be minmaxed, and that's an important message.

And of course, socialization is so much easier when you have a textbook's worth of fiddly math to fall back on.
 

Jerry the great

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People usually tend to use it as an insult on the internet, as you have all said. Why some may think? Simple. Aggression, rage, or maybe even them actually having it is usually the cause of such. I must say though... Just like with other mental disorders you were born with, it is nothing you can really help. Once you are born with it, there is nothing you can do about it. I find it cruel, relentless, and beyond savage to use any kind of mental disorder as an insult. It's like racism. People with racism, called them harsh names and did harsh things over something they cannot help: Their skin color. We all know how THAT turned out, such was outlawed and society learned how bad it was. Using autism as an insult is very much so related to that, as you either are just setting yourself up for hate bait or punishments, or you are upsetting people over the way they are born.

I was glad to speak this long speech out. I knew a majority of you feel largely (or exactly) the same, and I appreciate that. Still, it is just cruel to think this even happens...
 

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Why do people still use autism as an insult? Because it fucking sucks to have it. I have high-functioning autism myself, but it doesn't feel very high-functioning sometimes. Try as I might, there are still some social things that I just don't grasp and probably never will. The worst thing about it is that I'm always well meaning, but with my autism, things often are understood the wrong way, whether by myself or others. Here, it's manifested itself because a large number of people think I'm either a complete asshole or a complete idiot, or both.

As a result, I've been targeted a lot here, by multiple users. Chances are if you were around me during 2014-16, you've probably talked shit about me before. Still, I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't self-inflicted. Living with autism sucks because people will think you're an asshole even though you're not. Moreover, there's a chance that I might've pissed off literally every single person at work and at school and I don't even know it yet. After all, if the people I interact with in real life handle things the same way people on Smogon do (i.e. either meme about the person behind their back or show their displeasure passive-aggressively), how can I trust anyone at all anymore?

Autism is a curse that I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. Definitely I'm not as happy and healthy as I thought I was. So for all those who still resent me, I'm truly sorry. I most likely did not know any better, and I wish I did. And for those handful of users who do understand me, or who are still friendly with me in spite of this, thank you very much; I don't know what I'd do without you.
 

Plague von Karma

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God, I hate people who use autism as an insult. It's pathetic. Guess I'll talk about my personal experiences, though.

I was diagnosed as autistic alongside a laundry list of other problems a little bit before I joined Smogon. They didn't put it into a specific "syndrome", just saying Autism Spectrum Condition instead, but it's a blessing and a curse. I'm regarded as high functioning, but my brain apparently works too fast. I can whizz through 2-3 subjects at once in a sentence, work very quickly, and am regarded as "bright". However, my motor control is very poor. I also don't have very good mental stamina, and crash really hard at weird times. I'm not really aware of my own mental stamina either, so I can be working on something and suddenly feel this really hard fatigue wash over me. There's a bunch of other big problems that come with my autism, but I'm not too comfortable talking about them at length.
 

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