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:bw/lilligant:
[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Pollen Puff / Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant is an incredible setup sweeper thanks to its access to Quiver Dance, typing, which give many it setup opportunities against multiple common foes like Stunfisk and Sandslash, and Speed, making it faster than common Choice Scarfers such as Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist after a boost. Sleep Powder is part of what makes Lilligant so threatening; it allows it to potentially get past would-be answers like Klinklang, Drifblim, Unfezant, and Heatmor despite its underwhelming coverage, as well as giving it more setup opportunities. Pollen Puff targets Grass-types like Appletun and Gourgeist, and is Lilligant's best option against Dragon-types like Fraxure. On the other hand, Nature Power hits Flying- and Fire-types such as the aformentioned Unfezant and Heatmor, and it allows Lilligant to play around Sucker Punch. However, it can get past these with Sleep Powder, making Pollen Puff the better option.

Lilligant appreciates teammates capable of weakening problematic Steel- and Flying-types like Mawile and Unfezant. Stunfisk is a prime example, as it can even weaken them down for Lilligant via Rocky Helmet, as well as paralyze Choice Scarf Unfezant. Lilligant also appreciates Stunfisk setting Stealth Rock, as they notably allow it to OHKO Gourgeist with a boosted Pollen Puff. In exchange, Lilligant can deal with Water-, Grass, and Ground-types like Golduck, Ludicolo, and Sandslash for Stunfisk. Wallbreakers like Appletun, Pinsir, and Choice Specs Mr. Rime can weaken down specially defensive walls such as Type: Null, Flareon, and Klinklang, allowing Lilligant to clean easier mid- to late-game. Flame Orb Throh is an excellent partner as well, and it can also weaken down Togetic and Vespiquen for Lilligant. They all appreciate Lilligant putting various threats to sleep, providing them with more opportunities to come in and wallbreak. Pokemon such as Lycanroc-M, Morpeko, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang appreciate Lilligant dealing with Ground-types like Sandslash they struggle against. Morpeko is an especially good partner, as it can bring Lilligant in safely on the field via Parting Shot, whereas Lycanroc-M, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang can take advantage of the specially defensive walls Lilligant invites in. Klinklang can also switch into Choice Scarf Unfezant and Galarian Mr. Mime as they force out Lilligant even after a boost. Lilligant appreciates Spikes support, as they allow it to overwhelm switchins like Roselia, Type: Null, and Klinklang much easier. Sandslash is a good example; it can also switch into certain threats that force out Lilligant, like Unfezant and Mawile.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Pollen Puff
move 4: Healing Wish
item: Choice Specs
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant makes for a very strong wallbreaker thanks to its access to Leaf Storm and an excellent Special Attack, allowing it to do a huge chunk to even resists like Pawniard and Drifblim. Further bolstering this, its great Speed makes it faster than common threats like Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. Giga Drain serves as a more reliable secondary STAB move when Lilligant doesn't need Leaf Storm's power, and it's also more useful when Lilligant can clean. Pollen Puff hits Grass resists like Appletun and Tangela, while Healing Wish allows Lilligant to fully heal a teammate, giving it a second chance to wallbreak or clean. Petal Dance with Own Tempo is an option over Leaf Storm, as it makes Lilligant harder to take advantage of as well as allowing it to beat defensive behemoths like Throh. However, not being able to switch out makes Lilligant much more easy to revenge kill.

Due to its poor bulk, Lilligant appreciates teammates bringing it in safely via moves like U-turn, Volt Switch, and Parting Shot. This makes Silvally-Rock, Klinklang, and Morpeko excellent choices as they can bring Lilligant in on their answers, like Sandslash, Mareanie, and Stunfisk. In return, they can pressure specially defensive walls Lilligant can struggle against, like Flareon and Type: Null. Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Drifblim and Rain Dance Golduck greatly appreciate Lilligant softening up walls, giving them an easier time as well as Healing Wish, giving them a second chance to sweep. Entry hazards users like Sandslash, Stunfisk, and Alolan Dugtrio make it easier for Lilligant to wallbreak and allow it to overwhelm switchins such as Klinklang, Mawile, and Type: Null. In return, Lilligant can pressure the Water- and Grass-types they struggle against. Lilligant's overreliance on Leaf Storm to wallbreak effectively makes it somewhat easy to take advantage of by wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Mr. Rime, Gourgeist, and Drifblim alike. In a similar way, faster threats like Morpeko can force out Lilligant. This makes answers to these, like Type: Null, Unfezant, Kadabra, and Throh good partners; Type: Null and Unfezant can bring in Lilligant safely with U-turn while Throh deals with specially defensive walls. Finally, other wallbreakers like Falinks and Gourgeist-Super appreciate Lilligant pressuring their answers such as Mareanie, Musharna, and Unfezant and its access to Healing Wish. In return, they beat threats like Klinklang for Lilligant and can revenge kill foes that can take advantage of it when it's already locked on a move such as an opposing Quiver Dance Lilligant and Nasty Plot Galarian Mr. Mime.

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:bw/lilligant:
[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Pollen Puff / Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant is an incredible setup sweeper thanks to its access to Quiver Dance, typing, which give many it setup opportunities against multiple common foes like Stunfisk and Sandslash, and Speed, making it faster than common Choice Scarfers such as Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. Sleep Powder is part of what makes Lilligant so threatening; it allows it to potentially get past would-be answers like Klinklang, Drifblim, Unfezant, and Heatmor despite its underwhelming coverage. [and creates free setup opportunities after a mon is slept]. Pollen Puff targets Grass-types like Appletun and Gourgeist, and is Lilligant's best option against Dragon-types like Fraxure. [Fraxure seems irrelevant; is there nothing else Pollen Puff hits? ... idk, pawniard, but that’s also kinda irrelevant.] On the other hand, Nature Power hits Flying- and Fire-types such as the aformentioned Unfezant and Heatmor, and it allows Lilligant to play around Sucker Punch. However, unlike its Grass-type answers it can get past these with these checks can be beaten with Sleep Powder, making Pollen Puff the better option.

Lilligant appreciates teammates capable of dealing with (vague) weakening problematic [ok drag them] Steel- and Flying-types like Mawile (Mawile’s spdef is so bad that u prob beat pdef versions even at 100% unless u get 1 turn sleep) Klinklang and Unfezant. Stunfisk is a prime example, as it can even weaken them down for Lilligant via Rocky Helmet, as well as paralyze Choice Scarf Unfezant. Lilligant also appreciates Stunfisk setting Stealth Rock, as they notably allow it to OHKO Gourgeist with a boosted Pollen Puff. In exchange, Lilligant can deal with Water-, Grass, and Ground-types like Golduck, Ludicolo, and Sandslash for Stunfisk. Wallbreakers like Appletun and Choice Specs Mr. Rime can weaken down specially defensive walls such as Type: Null, Flareon, and Klinklang, allowing Lilligant to clean easier mid- to late-game. (Add some more offensive examples that force in steels and Unfezant. Pinsir forces in both and weakens / kos with its coverage. Unfez and Ice-type breakers help weaken steels; Dusknoir can force in and weaken Unfezant) Flame Orb Throh is an excellent partner as well, and it can also weaken down Togetic and Vespiquen for Lilligant. They all appreciate Lilligant putting various threats to sleep, providing them with more opportunities to come in and wallbreak. Pokemon such as Lycanroc-M, Morpeko, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang appreciate Lilligant dealing with Ground-types like Sandslash they struggle against. Morpeko is an especially good partner, as it can bring Lilligant in safely on the field via Parting Shot, whereas Lycanroc-M, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang can take advantage of the specially defensive walls Lilligant invites in. Klinklang can also switch into Choice Scarf Unfezant and Galarian Mr. Mime as they force out Lilligant even after a boost. Lilligant appreciates Spikes support, as they allow it to overwhelm switchins like Roselia, Type: Null, and Klinklang much easier. Sandslash is a good example; it can also switch into certain threats that force out Lilligant, like Unfezant and Mawile.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Pollen Puff
move 4: Healing Wish
item: Choice Specs
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant makes for a very strong wallbreaker thanks to its access to Leaf Storm and an excellent Special Attack, allowing it to do a huge chunk to even resists like Pawniard and Drifblim. Further bolstering this, its great Speed makes it faster than common threats like Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. Giga Drain serves as a more reliable secondary STAB move when Lilligant doesn't need Leaf Storm's power, and it's also more useful when Lilligant can clean. Pollen Puff hits Grass resists like Appletun and Tangela, while Healing Wish allows Lilligant to fully heal a teammate, giving it a second chance to wallbreak or clean.

Due to its poor bulk, Lilligant appreciates teammates bringing it in safely via moves like U-turn, Volt Switch, and Parting Shot. This makes Silvally-Rock, Klinklang, and Morpeko excellent choices as they can bring Lilligant in on their answers, like Sandslash, Mareanie, and Stunfisk. In return, they can pressure specially defensive walls Lilligant can struggle against, like Flareon and Type: Null. Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Drifblim and Rain Dance Golduck greatly appreciate Lilligant softening up walls, giving them an easier time as well as Healing Wish, giving them a second chance to sweep. Entry hazards users like Sandslash, Stunfisk, and Alolan Dugtrio make it easier for Lilligant to wallbreak and allow it to overwhelm switchins such as Klinklang, Mawile, and Type: Null. In return, Lilligant can pressure the Water- and Grass-types they struggle against. Lilligant's overreliance on Leaf Storm to wallbreak effectively makes it somewhat easy to take advantage of by wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Mr. Rime, Gourgeist, and Drifblim alike. (Maybe mention sash kadabra as a teammate that helps with these issues and fits on the offensive builds specs lilli fits on?) In a similar way, faster threats like Morpeko can force out Lilligant. This makes answers to these, like Type: Null, Unfezant, and Throh good partners; Type: Null and Unfezant can bring in Lilligant safely with U-turn while Throh deals with problematic specially defensive walls. Finally, other wallbreakers like Falinks and Gourgeist-Super appreciate Lilligant pressuring their answers such as Mareanie, Musharna, and Unfezant and its access to Healing Wish. In return, they beat threats like Klinklang for Lilligant and can revenge kill foes that can take advantage of it when it's already locked on a move such as an opposing Quiver Dance Lilligant and Nasty Plot Galarian Mr. Mime.

[mention how ice type breakers & unfezant appreciate lilli weakening klinklang (and for the former, flareon)]
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[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Pollen Puff / Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant is an incredible setup sweeper thanks to its access to Quiver Dance, typing, which give many it setup opportunities against multiple common foes like Stunfisk and Sandslash, and Speed, making it faster than common Choice Scarfers such as Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. (nitpick, but it's faster after a boost.) Sleep Powder is part of what makes Lilligant so threatening; it allows it to potentially get past would-be answers like Klinklang, Drifblim, Unfezant, and Heatmor despite its underwhelming coverage, as well as giving it more setup opportunities. Pollen Puff targets Grass-types like Appletun and Gourgeist, and is Lilligant's best option against Dragon-types like Fraxure. On the other hand, Nature Power hits Flying- and Fire-types such as the aformentioned Unfezant and Heatmor, and it allows Lilligant to play around Sucker Punch. However, it can get past these with Sleep Powder, making Pollen Puff the better option.

Lilligant appreciates teammates capable of weakening problematic Steel- and Flying-types like Mawile and Unfezant. Stunfisk is a prime example, as it can even weaken them down for Lilligant via Rocky Helmet, as well as paralyze Choice Scarf Unfezant. Lilligant also appreciates Stunfisk setting Stealth Rock, as they notably allow it to OHKO Gourgeist with a boosted Pollen Puff. In exchange, Lilligant can deal with Water-, Grass, and Ground-types like Golduck, Ludicolo, and Sandslash for Stunfisk. Wallbreakers like Appletun, Pinsir, and Choice Specs Mr. Rime can weaken down specially defensive walls such as Type: Null, Flareon, and Klinklang, allowing Lilligant to clean easier mid- to late-game. Flame Orb Throh is an excellent partner as well, and it can also weaken down Togetic and Vespiquen for Lilligant. They all appreciate Lilligant putting various threats to sleep, providing them with more opportunities to come in and wallbreak. Pokemon such as Lycanroc-M, Morpeko, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang appreciate Lilligant dealing with Ground-types like Sandslash they struggle against. Morpeko is an especially good partner, as it can bring Lilligant in safely on the field via Parting Shot, whereas Lycanroc-M, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang can take advantage of the specially defensive walls Lilligant invites in. Klinklang can also switch into Choice Scarf Unfezant and Galarian Mr. Mime as they force out Lilligant even after a boost. Lilligant appreciates Spikes support, as they allow it to overwhelm switchins like Roselia, Type: Null, and Klinklang much easier. Sandslash is a good example; it can also switch into certain threats that force out Lilligant, like Unfezant and Mawile.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Pollen Puff
move 4: Healing Wish
item: Choice Specs
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant makes for a very strong wallbreaker thanks to its access to Leaf Storm and an excellent Special Attack, allowing it to do a huge chunk to even resists like Pawniard and Drifblim. Further bolstering this, its great Speed makes it faster than common threats like Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. Giga Drain serves as a more reliable secondary STAB move when Lilligant doesn't need Leaf Storm's power, and it's also more useful when Lilligant can clean. Pollen Puff hits Grass resists like Appletun and Tangela, while Healing Wish allows Lilligant to fully heal a teammate, giving it a second chance to wallbreak or clean.

i think petal dance w/ own tempo deserves a mention somewhere, but if you do mention it, don't slash. it's a little weaker than leaf storm, but no special attack drop means you aren't immediately forced out vs. targets like spdef throh after going for your strongest move, and you can basically spam it once stuff like appletun or klinklang is worn down / KOed bc of that + no confusion.

Due to its poor bulk, Lilligant appreciates teammates bringing it in safely via moves like U-turn, Volt Switch, and Parting Shot. This makes Silvally-Rock, Klinklang, and Morpeko excellent choices as they can bring Lilligant in on their answers, like Sandslash, Mareanie, and Stunfisk. In return, they can pressure specially defensive walls Lilligant can struggle against, like Flareon and Type: Null. Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Drifblim and Rain Dance Golduck greatly appreciate Lilligant softening up walls, giving them an easier time as well as Healing Wish, giving them a second chance to sweep. Entry hazards users like Sandslash, Stunfisk, and Alolan Dugtrio make it easier for Lilligant to wallbreak and allow it to overwhelm switchins such as Klinklang, Mawile, and Type: Null. In return, Lilligant can pressure the Water- and Grass-types they struggle against. Lilligant's overreliance on Leaf Storm to wallbreak effectively makes it somewhat easy to take advantage of by wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Mr. Rime, Gourgeist, and Drifblim alike. In a similar way, faster threats like Morpeko can force out Lilligant. This makes answers to these, like Type: Null, Unfezant, Kadabra, and Throh good partners; Type: Null and Unfezant can bring in Lilligant safely with U-turn while Throh deals with specially defensive walls. Finally, other wallbreakers like Falinks and Gourgeist-Super appreciate Lilligant pressuring their answers such as Mareanie, Musharna, and Unfezant and its access to Healing Wish. In return, they beat threats like Klinklang for Lilligant and can revenge kill foes that can take advantage of it when it's already locked on a move such as an opposing Quiver Dance Lilligant and Nasty Plot Galarian Mr. Mime. (i think it might also be worth highlighting setup sweepers, since hwish lets them play a bit more recklessly early- to mid-game before letting them potentially come back for round 2 / 3 / whatever. didn’t see that you actually did say this earlier, my b.)

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:bw/lilligant:
[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Pollen Puff / Nature Power / sub???? ive sorta warmed up to it as a way to beat Flareon, tox licky, twave blimp, etc. depends on what u think, I think it could defo get a moves mention but a third slash is probably warranted
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant is an incredible setup sweeper thanks to its access to Quiver Dance, typing, which give many it setup opportunities against multiple common foes like Stunfisk and Sandslash, and Speed, making it faster than common Choice Scarfers such as Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist after a boost this sentence is run on and confusing, I would fix so u have the point more clear before gp steps in. Sleep Powder is part of what makes Lilligant so threatening; it allows it to potentially get past would-be answers like Klinklang, Drifblim, Unfezant, and Heatmor despite its underwhelming coverage, as well as giving it more setup opportunities. Pollen Puff targets Grass-types like Appletun and Gourgeist, and is Lilligant's best option against Dragon-types like Fraxure ok but that's relevant for 1 mon and it's stronger by a whole 10bp and most frax have first impression, would just drop this mention. On the other hand, Nature Power hits Flying- and Fire-types such as the aformentioned Unfezant and Heatmor, and it allows Lilligant to play around Sucker Punch. However, it can get past these with Sleep Powder, making Pollen Puff the better option. maybe sub sentence

Lilligant appreciates teammates capable of weakening problematic Steel- and Flying-types like Mawile and Unfezant. Stunfisk is a prime example, as it can even weaken them down for Lilligant via Rocky Helmet, as well as paralyze Choice Scarf Unfezant. Lilligant also appreciates Stunfisk setting Stealth Rock, as they notably allow it to OHKO Gourgeist with a boosted Pollen Puff. In exchange, Lilligant can deal with Water-, Grass, and Ground-types like Golduck, Ludicolo, and Sandslash for Stunfisk. Wallbreakers like Appletun, Pinsir, and Choice Specs Mr. Rime can weaken down specially defensive walls such as Type: Null, Flareon, and Klinklang, allowing Lilligant to clean easier mid- to late-game. Flame Orb Throh is an excellent partner as well, and it can also weaken down lure? not a fan of "weaken down" Togetic and Vespiquen for Lilligant. They all appreciate Lilligant putting various threats to sleep, providing them with more opportunities to come in and wallbreak. Pokemon such as id just say "rock electric and steel types such as" for a better throughline Lycanroc-M, Morpeko, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang appreciate Lilligant dealing with Ground-types like Sandslash they struggle against. Morpeko is an especially good partner, as it can bring Lilligant in safely on the field via Parting Shot, whereas Lycanroc-M, Alolan Dugtrio, and Klinklang can take advantage of the specially defensive walls Lilligant invites in. Klinklang can also switch into Choice Scarf Unfezant and Galarian Mr. Mime as they force out Lilligant even after a boost. Lilligant appreciates Spikes support, as they allow it to overwhelm switchins like Roselia, Type: Null, and Klinklang much easier. Sandslash is a good example; it can also switch into certain threats that force out Lilligant, like Unfezant and Mawile.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Pollen Puff
move 4: Healing Wish
item: Choice Specs
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Lilligant makes for a very strong wallbreaker thanks to its access to Leaf Storm and an excellent Special Attack, allowing it to do a huge chunk to even even to resists like Pawniard and Drifblim. Further bolstering this, its great Speed makes it faster than common threats like Lycanroc-M and Gourgeist. Giga Drain serves as a more reliable secondary STAB move when Lilligant doesn't need Leaf Storm's power, and it's also more useful when Lilligant can clean. Pollen Puff hits Grass resists like Appletun and Tangela, while Healing Wish allows Lilligant to fully heal a teammate, giving it a second chance to wallbreak or clean. Petal Dance with Own Tempo is an option over Leaf Storm, as it makes Lilligant harder to take advantage of as well as allowing it to beat defensive behemoths like Throh. However, not being able to switch out makes Lilligant much more easy to revenge kill.

Due to its poor bulk, Lilligant appreciates teammates bringing it in safely via moves like U-turn, Volt Switch, and Parting Shot. This makes Silvally-Rock, Klinklang, and Morpeko excellent choices as they can bring Lilligant in on their answers, like Sandslash, Mareanie, and Stunfisk. In return, they can pressure specially defensive walls Lilligant can struggle against, like Flareon and Type: Null. Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Drifblim and Rain Dance Golduck greatly appreciate Lilligant softening up walls, giving them an easier time as well as Healing Wish, giving them a second chance to sweep. Entry hazards users like Sandslash, Stunfisk, and Alolan Dugtrio make it easier for Lilligant to wallbreak and allow it to overwhelm switchins such as Klinklang, Mawile, and Type: Null. In return, Lilligant can pressure the Water- and Grass-types they struggle against. Lilligant's overreliance on Leaf Storm to wallbreak effectively makes it somewhat easy to take advantage of by wallbreakers and setup sweepers like Mr. Rime, Gourgeist, and Drifblim alike Drifblim's such a shaky setup sweeper anyway I feel like there are defo better examples. In a similar way, faster threats like Morpeko can force out Lilligant. This makes answers to these, like Type: Null, Unfezant, Kadabra, and Throh good partners; Type: Null and Unfezant can bring in Lilligant safely with U-turn while Throh deals with specially defensive walls. Finally, other wallbreakers like Falinks and Gourgeist-Super appreciate Lilligant pressuring their answers such as Mareanie, Musharna, and Unfezant and its access to Healing Wish. In return, they beat threats like Klinklang for Lilligant and can revenge kill foes that can take advantage of it when it's already locked on a move such as an opposing Quiver Dance Lilligant and Nasty Plot Galarian Mr. Mime.

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