Sure! Which sets the veterans can run are detailed in this post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-maison-discussion-records.3492706/page-26#post-5021839. Basically, Veterans Saba and Isabella can run all four sets, Veterans Alfie and Eleanor can only run sets 3 and 4, and the other eight can only run sets 1 and 2. This means that sets 3 and 4 are very rare (I actually didn't fight a lead Terrakion 3 once in my Singles streak, so I never got to developing a strategy for it), while sets 1 and 2 are very common. That said, sets 1 and 2 are often VERY different (e.g. Tornadus 1 is a Life Orb set; Tornadus 2 is Double Team + Substitute), so it can still be hard to predict; the main advantage is knowing what set the opponent definitely ISN'T running.
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Same here. In fact, I kept a record of every set I've seen a veteran use during my streaks and I still haven't had Alfie or Eleanor use Terrakion against me ever, and I've only seen Saba and Isabella use Terrakion 1 and 2. On the other hand I've seen other asshole sets like Tornadus2 with Prankster like 20 times lol.
But yeah, the reason veterans are usually the most dangerous foes for any team is only partly because they use the highest BST pokes. It's more that you can never pin down exactly which set you're facing until at least one turn into the battle. At least with the majority of non-veteran trainers, even if they lead with something dangerous it's a massive advantage to know the full set straightaway.
Wow, great job. I got completely crushed in rotation at battle 63.
And gliscor is just awesome at this, I agree. But, I made a wrong switch and he got knocked out before I got a sub up. And the rest of the team followed.
But I was suprised to see how far you got with cloyster. I would've thought him too frail to really do work
I firmly believe that Cloyster is way better in Rotation battles than it is in any other format. The problem with Cloyster is that, while it's insanely fast and powerful after a Shell Smash, a lot of things stop it or make it resort to a move besides Icicle Spear (Water-types, Fire-types, Ice-types, Steel-types, things with Thick Fat). Moves besides Icicle Spear can miss, making them terrible in the Maison. If the opponent survives Cloyster's attack, Cloyster will probably die, unless its Focus Sash is intact. But in Rotations, you know 3/4 of the opponent's team immediately. You know all the resists and you know all the potential threats. If the opponent has a Pokemon with Fake Out, just don't rotate Cloyster in until that Pokemon has attacked. Did Tyranitar or Hippowdon set up a sandstorm? Who cares? Just wait five turns, then rotate to Cloyster. On top of that, if you get a KO with Cloyster and the opponent sends out something it can't OHKO, just rotate out and attack with something else until you weaken that Pokemon enough to OHKO with Icicle Spear.
Focus Sash Cloyster also hates getting hit with status on its set-up turn (including status from secondary effects like Thunderbolt paralysis). But in Rotations, you don't even care. Just rotate to something with Heal Bell or Aromatherapy, heal Cloyster, and take out the opponent's team. The only real annoyance is confusion, since Aromatherapy doesn't heal that.
The trick is that Cloyster never starts attacking until you're sure it can outspeed and OHKO everything on the opponent's team (and they don't have a priority user to finish it off, assuming that Cloyster's Sash is gone, which it usually is). I'll sometimes set up before I can OHKO everything, particularly when there's a dangerous opposing Pokemon with a set-up move. If I let Haxorus get a free Dragon Dance, I'm in trouble. So I rotate Cloyster in and set up, even if there's something I can't OHKO. That way, if the opponent does use a set-up move on the turn when I used Shell Smash, I got a free turn to set up, meaning I have a +2/+2 Cloyster with an intact Focus Sash and the opponent is screwed. But I avoid attacking with Cloyster as much as possible until I'm sure it can sweep everything.
I was extremely careful with Gliscor switch-ins. I didn't care if the opposing Pokemon were Machamp, Medicham, and Cofagrigus (all of which are walled by Gliscor and two of which destroy Chansey); the risk of Will-O-Wisp from Cofagrigus meant it wasn't worth sending in Gliscor. Similarly, if the opposing team had an Ice-type at all, I would never switch in Gliscor. Even if something fainted and Gliscor had to come in, I would avoid rotating it in if the opponent had a Pokemon that could outspeed and hit super-effectively. Gliscor literally beats entire teams by itself (the fact that the AI makes stupid moves that let you get up a free Sub helps), but you have to protect it until you've taken out any faster special attackers (or faster Ice-type physical attackers, which I think only includes Weavile). That's why Chansey and Mega Venusaur were so good; Chansey walls special attackers all day, and Mega Venusaur loses its Ice weakness thanks to Thick Fat. That made it easy to just heal off the damage with Giga Drain, recovering more health with Synthesis when necessary and using Sludge Bomb when I just wanted the opponent dead (e.g. Weavile, because Taunt is stupid).
Hello, i'm new here but i managed to get all the five trophies.
I also got a 200 streak on triple battles, but i did not lose yet, when i lose i'll post the proof.
I'm using the same team as R Inanimate.
I had some close calls, but still going.
I also got a 200 streak on triple battles, but i did not lose yet, when i lose i'll post the proof.
I'm using the same team as R Inanimate.
I had some close calls, but still going.
I wish good luck to you, I had gotten to 278 and sadly lost to a trick room team while using Eppie's team for super triples recently. I hope your triple streak can go really far!
Thanks, didn't know this. Makes things a lot simpler since so few of them run Set 4 and that's usually the hardest to deal with.
Just lost my super singles streak, final score is 658. Link to team post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-maison-discussion-records.3492706/page-60#post-5358889
Knew I should've taken a longer break... been limiting myself to only ~10 fights per day since I got 603 so I wouldn't die of boredom but I still played like crap here. Artist Azure led with Skarmory4 which is annoying because I have no moves to get rid of it quickly and it can Whirlwind away my buffs. Switched to Cune when I should've remembered to keep Cune healthy vs a trainer that can use Aerodactyl4, paid the price. Should've just DD Outraged straight off the bat and whittled it down, whatever. I'll probably end up trying again once someone gets a higher streak.
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Knew I should've taken a longer break... been limiting myself to only ~10 fights per day since I got 603 so I wouldn't die of boredom but I still played like crap here. Artist Azure led with Skarmory4 which is annoying because I have no moves to get rid of it quickly and it can Whirlwind away my buffs. Switched to Cune when I should've remembered to keep Cune healthy vs a trainer that can use Aerodactyl4, paid the price. Should've just DD Outraged straight off the bat and whittled it down, whatever. I'll probably end up trying again once someone gets a higher streak.
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Thank you!, i'm on 225~ now, got some problems with ghosts... i want to try a new team but i'm afraid to lose my streak, it's really boring after the 100s
I just ended a Super Rotations streak at 265 wins.
Team
My team is similar to what others have been using in that it uses a cleric to support a set-up sweeper while it does its job. My team is actually not all that far off from what Fatty mcfat cat used: same idea, just different Pokemon doing the same job.
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Jolly
ivs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
evs: 4/252/0/0/0/252
stats: 181/147/100/54/100/156 --> 181/177/120/72/120/167
Scrappy --> Parental Bond
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Sucker Punch
Power-Up Punch
Standard stuff. The trick is knowing when to go for the boosts and when to just attack right away. I would use Protect if I could fit it in, just to help guarantee successful Wish-passing, but the other moves are too important to drop (well, I guess Return could replace Double-Edge to eliminate recoil, but I like the power).
Sylveon @ Leftovers
Bold
ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
evs: 244/0/252/0/0/12
stats: 201/68/128/130/150/82
Pixilate
Hyper Voice
Heal Bell
Wish
Protect
The main perks gained from using Sylveon as my cleric are the Fighting coverage/resistance to support Kangaskhan and the raw power of Pixilate Hyper Voice (it hits pretty hard considering my nature/evs). Fairy is a great typing and Sylveon can sometimes just park itself in the active position and stall its way to victory.
Gengar @ Focus Sash
Timid
ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
evs: 4/0/0/252/0/252
stats: 136/63/80/182/95/178
Levitate
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Destiny Bond
A fast Destiny Bond is invaluable in Rotation battles. I've had many battles where the opponent will seemingly out-predict my moves/rotations to put me in a bad position; Destiny Bond helps greatly in these situations. Other than that, Gengar is a fast and decently powerful Pokemon that can chip away at the opponent to make things easier for my sweepers.
Aegislash @ Sitrus Berry
Adamant
ivs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
evs: 252/252/0/0/0/4
stats: 167/112/170/59/170/81
Stance Change
Iron Head
Shadow Sneak
King's Shield
Swords Dance
I just slapped this on as my fourth because I didn't know what would be best. In hindsight, Dragonite may have worked better, but Aegislash still worked ok. I would give it Leftovers if I could, but I can't, so Sitrus Berry will do. Sitrus Berry actually does ok with Aegislash's high defences in Shield forme, and when that's used up I can just turn to Sylveon's Wishes. This was originally a 3 attacks + Swords Dance set with Sacred Sword, but I found I wasn't using it enough. King's Shield works so much better and is especially useful for when I need to pass a Wish to it.
Threats
I never thought I would say this about any of my teams, but the Pokemon that have given me the most trouble are Fire-types, hence my comment above about using Dragonite instead of Aegislash. Having Earthquake on Kangaskhan helps, but other than that I lack a good option to deal with Fire heavy teams if I'm not set up. Such teams aren't exactly rare either, what with Black Belts/Battle Girls, Chefs, and Punk Guys/Punk Girls all using them as one of their specialist types. Even Legendary and Starter trainers have a good chance of generating multiple Fire-types in their teams.
Volcarona is the worst. I had many close battles with it and it ultimately caused my streak to end. Volcarona 4 is Bold 252 Def/252 HP so I can't just take it out in a turn with Double-Edge. Flame Body is very trolly to Mega Kangaskhan too. Sylveon can't stall it very well because Hyper Voice does nothing to it and it can just set up Quiver Dance. Gengar isn't strong enough and Destiny Bond is hard to pull off when it outspeeds you after 1 Quiver Dance. Aegislash is bad for obvious reasons (it can't even use King's Shield to weaken it since it's a Special Attacker). Unboosted Double-Edge + Sucker Punch kills it but with the randomness of rotations it isn't that simple.
Other annoyances include Infernape (Encore shuts down Sylveon, and it's fast and resists Sucker Punch, although Gengar can handle it well enough) and Darmanitan (ugh Scarf 252 Atk Sheer Force Flare Blitz).
How I lost
FUEW-WWWW-WWW6-QNKH
As mentioned above, Volcarona 4 got me. I made some dumb/unsafe plays that left me with just Sylveon and Aegislash to take it down. My only option was to try waste its Heat Wave PP before it gets too many Quiver Dances in, but it didn't work out. Funnily enough, I faced the exact same situation less than 10 battles before this one, and I used the same strategy against it, except that I was actually successful then!
I consider myself pretty lucky to get as far as I did considering the huge weakness my team had to a common type. I might give this another go with a different 4th Pokemon at some point.
Team
My team is similar to what others have been using in that it uses a cleric to support a set-up sweeper while it does its job. My team is actually not all that far off from what Fatty mcfat cat used: same idea, just different Pokemon doing the same job.
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Jolly
ivs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
evs: 4/252/0/0/0/252
stats: 181/147/100/54/100/156 --> 181/177/120/72/120/167
Scrappy --> Parental Bond
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Sucker Punch
Power-Up Punch
Standard stuff. The trick is knowing when to go for the boosts and when to just attack right away. I would use Protect if I could fit it in, just to help guarantee successful Wish-passing, but the other moves are too important to drop (well, I guess Return could replace Double-Edge to eliminate recoil, but I like the power).
Sylveon @ Leftovers
Bold
ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
evs: 244/0/252/0/0/12
stats: 201/68/128/130/150/82
Pixilate
Hyper Voice
Heal Bell
Wish
Protect
The main perks gained from using Sylveon as my cleric are the Fighting coverage/resistance to support Kangaskhan and the raw power of Pixilate Hyper Voice (it hits pretty hard considering my nature/evs). Fairy is a great typing and Sylveon can sometimes just park itself in the active position and stall its way to victory.
Gengar @ Focus Sash
Timid
ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
evs: 4/0/0/252/0/252
stats: 136/63/80/182/95/178
Levitate
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Destiny Bond
A fast Destiny Bond is invaluable in Rotation battles. I've had many battles where the opponent will seemingly out-predict my moves/rotations to put me in a bad position; Destiny Bond helps greatly in these situations. Other than that, Gengar is a fast and decently powerful Pokemon that can chip away at the opponent to make things easier for my sweepers.
Aegislash @ Sitrus Berry
Adamant
ivs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
evs: 252/252/0/0/0/4
stats: 167/112/170/59/170/81
Stance Change
Iron Head
Shadow Sneak
King's Shield
Swords Dance
I just slapped this on as my fourth because I didn't know what would be best. In hindsight, Dragonite may have worked better, but Aegislash still worked ok. I would give it Leftovers if I could, but I can't, so Sitrus Berry will do. Sitrus Berry actually does ok with Aegislash's high defences in Shield forme, and when that's used up I can just turn to Sylveon's Wishes. This was originally a 3 attacks + Swords Dance set with Sacred Sword, but I found I wasn't using it enough. King's Shield works so much better and is especially useful for when I need to pass a Wish to it.
Threats
I never thought I would say this about any of my teams, but the Pokemon that have given me the most trouble are Fire-types, hence my comment above about using Dragonite instead of Aegislash. Having Earthquake on Kangaskhan helps, but other than that I lack a good option to deal with Fire heavy teams if I'm not set up. Such teams aren't exactly rare either, what with Black Belts/Battle Girls, Chefs, and Punk Guys/Punk Girls all using them as one of their specialist types. Even Legendary and Starter trainers have a good chance of generating multiple Fire-types in their teams.
Volcarona is the worst. I had many close battles with it and it ultimately caused my streak to end. Volcarona 4 is Bold 252 Def/252 HP so I can't just take it out in a turn with Double-Edge. Flame Body is very trolly to Mega Kangaskhan too. Sylveon can't stall it very well because Hyper Voice does nothing to it and it can just set up Quiver Dance. Gengar isn't strong enough and Destiny Bond is hard to pull off when it outspeeds you after 1 Quiver Dance. Aegislash is bad for obvious reasons (it can't even use King's Shield to weaken it since it's a Special Attacker). Unboosted Double-Edge + Sucker Punch kills it but with the randomness of rotations it isn't that simple.
Other annoyances include Infernape (Encore shuts down Sylveon, and it's fast and resists Sucker Punch, although Gengar can handle it well enough) and Darmanitan (ugh Scarf 252 Atk Sheer Force Flare Blitz).
How I lost
FUEW-WWWW-WWW6-QNKH
As mentioned above, Volcarona 4 got me. I made some dumb/unsafe plays that left me with just Sylveon and Aegislash to take it down. My only option was to try waste its Heat Wave PP before it gets too many Quiver Dances in, but it didn't work out. Funnily enough, I faced the exact same situation less than 10 battles before this one, and I used the same strategy against it, except that I was actually successful then!
I consider myself pretty lucky to get as far as I did considering the huge weakness my team had to a common type. I might give this another go with a different 4th Pokemon at some point.
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Actually got the trophies back in early February http://imgur.com/kh0saRD
I'd like to begin this post with a quote:
So with this near unstoppable team, how far did I get? 51 Wins. Yup. I'm planning for another run with a different team (namely a Reckless Staraptor instead of Hawlucha) and I can't provide proof of this magnicent run (3DS won't let me connect to wifi, and I don't have a camera phone)
And no, I'm not using WP Dragonite or Greninja. Maybe.
Edit: Hey look at that, I may be put on the Maison Multis streak thingy. Again, I don't have any proof of this remarkable Acheivement, but I don't want to be put on the list right now. I want to get higher than 51 is all. And stuff.
Edit... Again: Ignore me, just read the OP. I wanted to get a higher streak anyway :P
So yeah it's been a while since I last posted here, hasn't it? I've been experimenting with Doubles a bit, so I decided to have some fun on Multis, needless to say I was pretty sucsessful in my endeavours. Anyways, I just wanted to note the team I used. I don't know if it's been used before, but it's pretty deadly when it works.
Operation Nuclear Fire.
Charizard @ Charizadite Y
Shiny
Modest Nature
Blaze>Drought
252SpecAtt/252Speed
-Heat Wave
-Solarbeam
-Dragon Pulse
-Earthquake
Y'know, I used to hate hate hate hate hate HATE HATE HATE Charizard, but after being given this Charizard by a good friend of mine, I decided to use it for a laugh and see what the fuss was about. Hot damn this guy, he's pretty good. Some may question Heat Wave over something like Fire Blast. I'd retort with "Meh, it hits both opponents". Solarbeam is pretty much necessary for coverage and getting to shout "IMMA FIRIN ME LAZOR". Dragon Pulse is for any and all Dragon types, mainly the Lati twins, which surprisingly only Latias appeared, and even then, it was the one time. Earthquake.... Yeah I didn't use this much, mainly for when my partner was low on HP and pretty much dead.
Bird Jesus (Yes I named him that.)
Hawlucha @ Power Herb
Adamant Nature
Unburden
252Att/252Speed
-Sky Attack
-Acrobactics
-Hone Claws
-High Jump Kick
Arguably the most underrated BL mon, Hawlucha has had a special place in my heart for a while (And no, it's not because it's the new Mexican Sterotype that makes me think of Miror.B.... Maybe) Mainly being clean up crew for when Charizard was KOd by a stray Rock move. Also Flying type because..... IDK I wanted Hawlucha to have the Expert Battler Ribbon. Not really much to say because he didn't come out often.
And now for my partner, I don't even remember who this person was to be honest XD but meh, they had two pokemon beginning with T.
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Yeah it's Typhlosion 3. Modest Nature, EVs in Speed/SpecAtt. Ability is Flash Fire (I originally wanted to abuse that XD)
-Heat Wave (Never used)
-Eruption (May I say the most powerful Eruption in the entire game)
-Focus Blast (Used more than you think)
-Extrasensory (Never used)
And you see why I have a Megazard Y. I actually did some calculations, 150BP X1.5 for STAB and X1.5 again for Sun (I think that's how it works) X0.6 for Spread Damage = Everything Dies. I think it came to around 202.5 PER POKEMON. OUCH. I think that's the most powerful non suicide attack ever. (Besides STAB V-Create in the Sun) Nothing really much to say besides wow. (And that the Cyndaquil line is my favourite starter line <3)
Tauros @ Life Orb
Yup, Tauros 3.
Double Edge
Earthquake (Ya see why I have 2 Flying types?)
Giga Impact (lol)
Payback (Double lol)
Nothing much to say really, it saved me a few times (One incident involving a Aerodactyl, it OHKOd with a crit Giga Impact) and its pretty decent.... Apart from it's need to use Giga Impact like a madman ;-;
Charizard @ Charizadite Y
Shiny
Modest Nature
Blaze>Drought
252SpecAtt/252Speed
-Heat Wave
-Solarbeam
-Dragon Pulse
-Earthquake
Y'know, I used to hate hate hate hate hate HATE HATE HATE Charizard, but after being given this Charizard by a good friend of mine, I decided to use it for a laugh and see what the fuss was about. Hot damn this guy, he's pretty good. Some may question Heat Wave over something like Fire Blast. I'd retort with "Meh, it hits both opponents". Solarbeam is pretty much necessary for coverage and getting to shout "IMMA FIRIN ME LAZOR". Dragon Pulse is for any and all Dragon types, mainly the Lati twins, which surprisingly only Latias appeared, and even then, it was the one time. Earthquake.... Yeah I didn't use this much, mainly for when my partner was low on HP and pretty much dead.
Bird Jesus (Yes I named him that.)
Hawlucha @ Power Herb
Adamant Nature
Unburden
252Att/252Speed
-Sky Attack
-Acrobactics
-Hone Claws
-High Jump Kick
Arguably the most underrated BL mon, Hawlucha has had a special place in my heart for a while (And no, it's not because it's the new Mexican Sterotype that makes me think of Miror.B.... Maybe) Mainly being clean up crew for when Charizard was KOd by a stray Rock move. Also Flying type because..... IDK I wanted Hawlucha to have the Expert Battler Ribbon. Not really much to say because he didn't come out often.
And now for my partner, I don't even remember who this person was to be honest XD but meh, they had two pokemon beginning with T.
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Yeah it's Typhlosion 3. Modest Nature, EVs in Speed/SpecAtt. Ability is Flash Fire (I originally wanted to abuse that XD)
-Heat Wave (Never used)
-Eruption (May I say the most powerful Eruption in the entire game)
-Focus Blast (Used more than you think)
-Extrasensory (Never used)
And you see why I have a Megazard Y. I actually did some calculations, 150BP X1.5 for STAB and X1.5 again for Sun (I think that's how it works) X0.6 for Spread Damage = Everything Dies. I think it came to around 202.5 PER POKEMON. OUCH. I think that's the most powerful non suicide attack ever. (Besides STAB V-Create in the Sun) Nothing really much to say besides wow. (And that the Cyndaquil line is my favourite starter line <3)
Tauros @ Life Orb
Yup, Tauros 3.
Double Edge
Earthquake (Ya see why I have 2 Flying types?)
Giga Impact (lol)
Payback (Double lol)
Nothing much to say really, it saved me a few times (One incident involving a Aerodactyl, it OHKOd with a crit Giga Impact) and its pretty decent.... Apart from it's need to use Giga Impact like a madman ;-;
And no, I'm not using WP Dragonite or Greninja. Maybe.
Edit... Again: Ignore me, just read the OP. I wanted to get a higher streak anyway :P
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Been a little while since I played, but I just beat the boss trainer on Super Triples. I used my Trick Room team (Slowbro, Hariyama, Mega Mawile, and Goodra) from Super Doubles and added Snorlax and Gastrodon. Had a fee close calls with a couple Gothitelle's that I kept missing and Froslass that had the bes Cursed Body ever.
The boss was a breeze though.Her birds couldn't handle Rock Slide from a Guts boosted Hariyama. Getting ready to take on Multi Battle later. Thanks for the helpful suggestions on here.
The boss was a breeze though.Her birds couldn't handle Rock Slide from a Guts boosted Hariyama. Getting ready to take on Multi Battle later. Thanks for the helpful suggestions on here.
Managed to get all the trophies (achieved on 21/04/2014):
I also got 81 on Super Multi-Battle with an AI partner.
My team:
Mega Kangaskhan
Adamant 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Fake Out / Power-up Punch / Return / Crunch
Garchomp @ Assault Vest
Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Earthquake / Rock Slide / Fire Fang / Dragon Claw
AI's team:
Mienshao @ Focus Sash with Reckless
High Jump Kick / Fake Out / Low Kick / U-Turn
Flygon @ White Herb
Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Giga Drain / Earthpower
Pretty good team for reaching 50. I don't think it is consistent enough to go for a big streak because of how risky HJK is. My Kangaskhan should probably have more speed EVs for this, but I just used mons that I had.
I lost because I misplayed against a Talonflame, and it ended up having Flame Body.
M8MW-WWW-WWW6-V2CP
I also got 81 on Super Multi-Battle with an AI partner.
My team:
Mega Kangaskhan
Adamant 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Fake Out / Power-up Punch / Return / Crunch
Garchomp @ Assault Vest
Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Earthquake / Rock Slide / Fire Fang / Dragon Claw
AI's team:
Mienshao @ Focus Sash with Reckless
High Jump Kick / Fake Out / Low Kick / U-Turn
Flygon @ White Herb
Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Giga Drain / Earthpower
Pretty good team for reaching 50. I don't think it is consistent enough to go for a big streak because of how risky HJK is. My Kangaskhan should probably have more speed EVs for this, but I just used mons that I had.
I lost because I misplayed against a Talonflame, and it ended up having Flame Body.
M8MW-WWW-WWW6-V2CP
I've separated AI (Artificial Intelligence) and RLP's (Real Live Person) for the Super Multi Records list.
If there are people on the forum who have arguments why I shouldn't, feel free to post your reasoning.
If you do so, please quote this post so that I know the message is directed to me.
Agnaktor, I have been adding the date of posting since 16/11/2013 and I have no reason to change this. There is no way of telling when a person obtained the fifth trophy (not that it matters). I prefer to use the date of posting because the date actually links to the post confirming a person having obtained all trophy's, which is that date.
Thanks.
If there are people on the forum who have arguments why I shouldn't, feel free to post your reasoning.
If you do so, please quote this post so that I know the message is directed to me.
Agnaktor, I have been adding the date of posting since 16/11/2013 and I have no reason to change this. There is no way of telling when a person obtained the fifth trophy (not that it matters). I prefer to use the date of posting because the date actually links to the post confirming a person having obtained all trophy's, which is that date.
Thanks.
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I agree. There is a good difference between playing with a RLP or yourself using another 3ds and playing with an AI. Just like challenging super singles with a truant team or with a regular team.
Hey, everybody! I'm Uphaze, a French guy.
I just wanted to post here because I have 373 Streak Win in Super Singles in the Battle Maison. Here's the proof:
My team is the following.
Clefable Leftovers
Bold, Unaware, 252/0/252/4/0/0
Protect
Wish
Toxic
Moonblast
Chansey @Eviolite
Bold, Natural Cure, 252/0/252/0/4/0
Protect
Wish
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Skarmory @Safety Goggles
Careful, Sturdy, 252/0/4/0/252/0
Protect
Roost
Toxic
Counter
My whole team is based on Bad Poison + Protect + HP Recover.
My Clefable counters every boost like Swords Dance, Dragon Dance or others with Unaware. He can also hard hit with 95 Sp.Atk BS STAB Moonblast.
My Chansey counters every special attacker.
My Skarmory counters every OHKO Sweepers and do Counter against Poison or Steel Pokemon that cannot be poisoned.
Nuisances:
- Rest: I'm obliged to PP Stall every Pokemon with Rest.
- Gengar: I'm obliged to PP Stall him with Chansey.
- Weezing and Nidoqueen: I'm obliged to PP Stall them because they can't touch Skarmory and Nidoqueen can hardly hit the others.
- Taunters: They're only physical. I'm obliged to Counter them with Skarm.
Real dangers:
- Drapion with Swords Dance and Critical Haxx. I can counter him with Skarm, but he can critical Haxx me.
- Infernape with Encore. He forces me to switch and the Blaze Flare Blitz hits very hard.
- Choice Band Armaldo, Tyrantrum, and Choice Scarf Darmanitan. They can OHKO any of my Pokes with one critical hit.
- Ferrothorn. He beat me in the 374th. He can't be poisoned. He can't be countered with Skarm because of Leftovers and Fighting weakness against Rock Smash after Roost, he OHKO Clefable with Gyroball and Chansey can do nothing against him because of Leftovers again.
The 374th:
Ferro OHKO Clefable with Gyroball after 6 Curses. I 2HKO him with 2 Skarm Counters after Rock Smash. He send Sawk Close Combat Life Orb which KO the rest of Skarm HP and OHKO Chansey.
Thank you so much for reading my post and I hope doing better in a next time :)
Uphaze.
I just wanted to post here because I have 373 Streak Win in Super Singles in the Battle Maison. Here's the proof:
My team is the following.
Clefable Leftovers
Bold, Unaware, 252/0/252/4/0/0
Protect
Wish
Toxic
Moonblast
Chansey @Eviolite
Bold, Natural Cure, 252/0/252/0/4/0
Protect
Wish
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Skarmory @Safety Goggles
Careful, Sturdy, 252/0/4/0/252/0
Protect
Roost
Toxic
Counter
My whole team is based on Bad Poison + Protect + HP Recover.
My Clefable counters every boost like Swords Dance, Dragon Dance or others with Unaware. He can also hard hit with 95 Sp.Atk BS STAB Moonblast.
My Chansey counters every special attacker.
My Skarmory counters every OHKO Sweepers and do Counter against Poison or Steel Pokemon that cannot be poisoned.
Nuisances:
- Rest: I'm obliged to PP Stall every Pokemon with Rest.
- Gengar: I'm obliged to PP Stall him with Chansey.
- Weezing and Nidoqueen: I'm obliged to PP Stall them because they can't touch Skarmory and Nidoqueen can hardly hit the others.
- Taunters: They're only physical. I'm obliged to Counter them with Skarm.
Real dangers:
- Drapion with Swords Dance and Critical Haxx. I can counter him with Skarm, but he can critical Haxx me.
- Infernape with Encore. He forces me to switch and the Blaze Flare Blitz hits very hard.
- Choice Band Armaldo, Tyrantrum, and Choice Scarf Darmanitan. They can OHKO any of my Pokes with one critical hit.
- Ferrothorn. He beat me in the 374th. He can't be poisoned. He can't be countered with Skarm because of Leftovers and Fighting weakness against Rock Smash after Roost, he OHKO Clefable with Gyroball and Chansey can do nothing against him because of Leftovers again.
The 374th:
Ferro OHKO Clefable with Gyroball after 6 Curses. I 2HKO him with 2 Skarm Counters after Rock Smash. He send Sawk Close Combat Life Orb which KO the rest of Skarm HP and OHKO Chansey.
Thank you so much for reading my post and I hope doing better in a next time :)
Uphaze.
Wow, I missed a lot of action last month, I do not want to make multiple posts so here’s my 2 cents about your victories.
VaporeonIce
- I was curious about M-Venusaur in roation, but never considered chansey. I can see that they really helped keep cloyster alive. And I lead with gliscor and that may have contributed to my downfall. Again, awesome job. I had been considering running sylveon as a healer (heal bell & wish, similar to Aussieman000’s vaporeon)
StarKO
- Wow, I was running a similar team to yours but trying to avoid Mkhan in singles as well as triples (your setup is great btw, and I agree that earthquake > PuP for how you are running it). 658 is a huge number. Still, Outrage on lead dragonite? Seems risky but looks like you made it work. Roost was a brilliant addition. Great job.
Ulisses Perez Silva
- Nice job so far! Keep it up. I just hit 500 in triples with a slightly different team than before. Word of advice, I recommend no more than 10 battles at a time. Take a break, do some push-ups (or burpees), and have a good time screwing with the AI.
Eppie
- Thanks for the addition on the front page.
atsync
- Nice job in rotation. I had been considering using Sylveon as a healer. What are your thoughts on how it worked? Volcarona is difficult, wish I had some advice on countering it.
Agnaktor
- Nice job in multi. I have yet to beat 50 on this.
Uphaze
- Nice job in singles, and your approach is very unique from the rest of the teams I have seen. At first glance, it looks like it would take longer than Truant Durant and steel, and to a lesser extend poision (moonblast), would cause you problems. Maybe switching clefable out earlier would’ve worked. But great team!
Back to triples, made some changes to my team, currently at 500 wins.
VaporeonIce
- I was curious about M-Venusaur in roation, but never considered chansey. I can see that they really helped keep cloyster alive. And I lead with gliscor and that may have contributed to my downfall. Again, awesome job. I had been considering running sylveon as a healer (heal bell & wish, similar to Aussieman000’s vaporeon)
StarKO
- Wow, I was running a similar team to yours but trying to avoid Mkhan in singles as well as triples (your setup is great btw, and I agree that earthquake > PuP for how you are running it). 658 is a huge number. Still, Outrage on lead dragonite? Seems risky but looks like you made it work. Roost was a brilliant addition. Great job.
Ulisses Perez Silva
- Nice job so far! Keep it up. I just hit 500 in triples with a slightly different team than before. Word of advice, I recommend no more than 10 battles at a time. Take a break, do some push-ups (or burpees), and have a good time screwing with the AI.
Eppie
- Thanks for the addition on the front page.
atsync
- Nice job in rotation. I had been considering using Sylveon as a healer. What are your thoughts on how it worked? Volcarona is difficult, wish I had some advice on countering it.
Agnaktor
- Nice job in multi. I have yet to beat 50 on this.
Uphaze
- Nice job in singles, and your approach is very unique from the rest of the teams I have seen. At first glance, it looks like it would take longer than Truant Durant and steel, and to a lesser extend poision (moonblast), would cause you problems. Maybe switching clefable out earlier would’ve worked. But great team!
Back to triples, made some changes to my team, currently at 500 wins.
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Hey guys! I do know that I don't post here often, but I am always watching the discussions and trying to put myself in the ranking... And after a few attempts I finally got something! Ok, it is in Multi Battle, but it is something... I finally defeated all the five, and got the trophies for all of them.
To defeat the Multi Battle Maison I had the AI help. That was my fifth attempt to defeat it. I couldn't create something better, and I really liked the strategy, so I kept on it until I finally got it. The team is:
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite (my first Pokémon)
Jolly Nature - Trait: Scrappy
(252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP)
- Fake Out
- Return
- Power-Up Punch
- Crunch
Porygon-Z @ Expert Belt (AI first Pokémon)
??? Nature - Trait: Download
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Signal Beam
- Charge Beam
I really don't like to rely on Sucker Punch... I changed it as soon as I realized that it could fail me in some point that it was necessary. You can really count on Porygon-Z most of the times. I usually start with Fake Out against something that can be a threat, something that normally holds Focus Sash or has Sturdy or something that Porygon-Z would not kill at first. Most often Porygon-Z attacks something that it would hit Super Effective, so I can predict which one it would be and attack the other one or even help it. That is a pretty good combination, I have to say.
Dragonite @ Weakness Police (my backup Pokémon)
Jolly Nature - Trait: Multiscale
(252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Extremespeed
Umbreon @ Sitrus Berry (AI backup Pokémon)
??? Nature - Trait: Inner Focus
- Feint Attack
- Swagger
- Psych Up
- Screech
I know, I know. It is a really bad final combination. Three Pokémon that are weak agains Fighting-type? Well, that cost me some battles, but I sticked to it because I like the Kanga+Z combo and I really love Umbreon, and loved to play with it (I usually think that is it that counts after all, playing with the mons you like). First off I use Dragon Dance, normally, depending on what I have to kill. That is really arbitrary, since if I think that Dragonite is going to be hit by a Ice-type attack, I tend to kill the threat first. But then again, Blizzards cost me a few battles, too. I really cannot rely on Umbreon, it is very unpredictable and make some weird things sometimes, but it has high def and spdef, so it helped me in certain points.
With this team, I got to a streak of 66. I was expecting more, but it is ok. I don't know how a picture can be a prove here, since all the results independent of the facility would look like the same... If needed, just tell me and I will put it here.
I also got a 285 streak in Double Battle, but I will make some changes in the team and maybe post it later. Thank you guys for the attention and sorry for the bad english, it is not my native language.
To defeat the Multi Battle Maison I had the AI help. That was my fifth attempt to defeat it. I couldn't create something better, and I really liked the strategy, so I kept on it until I finally got it. The team is:
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite (my first Pokémon)
Jolly Nature - Trait: Scrappy
(252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP)
- Fake Out
- Return
- Power-Up Punch
- Crunch
Porygon-Z @ Expert Belt (AI first Pokémon)
??? Nature - Trait: Download
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Signal Beam
- Charge Beam
I really don't like to rely on Sucker Punch... I changed it as soon as I realized that it could fail me in some point that it was necessary. You can really count on Porygon-Z most of the times. I usually start with Fake Out against something that can be a threat, something that normally holds Focus Sash or has Sturdy or something that Porygon-Z would not kill at first. Most often Porygon-Z attacks something that it would hit Super Effective, so I can predict which one it would be and attack the other one or even help it. That is a pretty good combination, I have to say.
Dragonite @ Weakness Police (my backup Pokémon)
Jolly Nature - Trait: Multiscale
(252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Extremespeed
Umbreon @ Sitrus Berry (AI backup Pokémon)
??? Nature - Trait: Inner Focus
- Feint Attack
- Swagger
- Psych Up
- Screech
I know, I know. It is a really bad final combination. Three Pokémon that are weak agains Fighting-type? Well, that cost me some battles, but I sticked to it because I like the Kanga+Z combo and I really love Umbreon, and loved to play with it (I usually think that is it that counts after all, playing with the mons you like). First off I use Dragon Dance, normally, depending on what I have to kill. That is really arbitrary, since if I think that Dragonite is going to be hit by a Ice-type attack, I tend to kill the threat first. But then again, Blizzards cost me a few battles, too. I really cannot rely on Umbreon, it is very unpredictable and make some weird things sometimes, but it has high def and spdef, so it helped me in certain points.
With this team, I got to a streak of 66. I was expecting more, but it is ok. I don't know how a picture can be a prove here, since all the results independent of the facility would look like the same... If needed, just tell me and I will put it here.
I also got a 285 streak in Double Battle, but I will make some changes in the team and maybe post it later. Thank you guys for the attention and sorry for the bad english, it is not my native language.
Sylveon works pretty well. It can take hits really well and is great at stalling opponents out (deals with Trick Room easily for example). Its Wishes (101HP max) are large enough to heal its allies effectively too. It does face competition from Vaporeon, who has larger Wishes, a tad more Speed, and Scald to burn stuff. Sylveon has more power in Hyper Voice though, and it also hits through Substitute. It also has a different set of resistances, so it'll depend on what the rest of the team is like. Either way I can recommend Sylveon as a healer (or maybe Florges if you can't transfer stuff over from 5th gen). You won't be disappointed.
Actually I made a change to my team to deal with Volcarona and it seems to work nicely: I replaced Gengar with Speed Boost Sharpedo! Moveset is Waterfall/Crunch/Protect/Destiny Bond. Sharpedo has comparable power to Gengar, except that it deals with most Fire teams much better. Speed Boost is amazing too. It suits this team much better than Gengar did, although it has worse coverage and adding another Fighting weakness is annoying. Battle Girls/Black Belts are still among the more difficult match-ups, but they are managable unless I get completely screwed by bad rotations and hax. I also hate super-powerful Pokemon that can KO me before I set up, including things like Choice Band Tyrantrum (especially if it has Rock Head) and Choice Scarf Darmanitan. Confusion also sucks since I have nothing on my team that enjoys taking it. Mandibuzz with Swagger is the worst I've encountered so far because it's really bulky and outspeeds Sylveon and Aegislash. Sylveon is my best answer to it but if it has dangerous partners things can get hairy!
I managed to make it to just over 210 wins after changing to Sharpedo before losing to a bad match-up and some unlucky rotations. May try again later. I know that this set is way better than what I had before and I'm sure I can go further.
I'll try Protect - Wish - Flamethrower - Moonblast Clefable. The Toxic, I can do it with Chansey or Skarm.
If it's Volcarona or Calm Mind sweepers, I can Toxic them with Chansey.
If it's DD or SD sweepers, I can Moonblast or Flamethrower them or tank them with Wish + Protect with Clefable.
If not, I can Toxic them with Skarm.
For the OHKO sweepers (Walrein and others), I just have to tank them with Sturdy Skarm :)
Skarm is Careful Max Sp. Def because of Sheer Cold Vanilluxe with Blizzard and the Sheer Cold Articuno with Ice Beam.
Skarm has Safety Goggles because of Breloom 2 or 3 with Spore.
I'll try this and keep you updated.
Thank you so much for everyone who liked my post and brakerider to answer me :) You're nice in this forum.
Uphaze.
If it's Volcarona or Calm Mind sweepers, I can Toxic them with Chansey.
If it's DD or SD sweepers, I can Moonblast or Flamethrower them or tank them with Wish + Protect with Clefable.
If not, I can Toxic them with Skarm.
For the OHKO sweepers (Walrein and others), I just have to tank them with Sturdy Skarm :)
Skarm is Careful Max Sp. Def because of Sheer Cold Vanilluxe with Blizzard and the Sheer Cold Articuno with Ice Beam.
Skarm has Safety Goggles because of Breloom 2 or 3 with Spore.
I'll try this and keep you updated.
Thank you so much for everyone who liked my post and brakerider to answer me :) You're nice in this forum.
Uphaze.
That is awesome. I really like your team; it's cool and unique. That said, I kind of despise the existence of Wish Chansey (because pretty much every one you'll ever see is hacked).
I have a thought that might help with some of your problems: change Chansey's Wish + Protect to Soft Boiled + Counter. Part of that is because I hate Wish, but I honestly think it would work better. Chansey is so bulky, she doesn't really need to Toxic stall with Protect; she can just sit there spamming Soft Boiled every turn (though usually she won't even have to do that, so she can speed things up with Seismic Toss). Very few physical attackers can OHKO Chansey (you basically need a STAB Close Combat/High Jump Kick or a crit Close Combat, and stuff like Arcanine and Pinsir can't even OHKO with a crit). While I'm not sure what the AI will do with Curse/Rest users, I think most of them will attack her before they get enough boosts to OHKO (or, in the case of Registeel and Umbreon, they can't OHKO at all), meaning she can just spam Counter until they decide to attack. It also allows her to hit Taunt users with Counter, which takes them out a bit faster than Seismic Toss (don't try this against Sawk, obviously).
Also, Breloom 2 and 3 don't appear after battle #40 (as far as I can remember), so don't worry about it. I would probably replace Safety Goggles with Lum Berry, as pretty much every Hail Pokemon is demolished by Chansey. The only other idea I have is being hilarious and using Bright Powder, but honestly, Lum Berry is more reliable.
Also, running 4 Speed EVs is almost always superior to running 4 SpDef/SpAtk EVs, even on defensive Pokemon, assuming you have a 31 Speed IV. The extra point or two of damage will basically never make a difference, but the extra speed point means you now outrun everything in your same speed tier. For Chansey, this means outspeeding Muk, Donphan, Hariyama, Aggron, the Regi trio, Lickilicky, Tangrowth, Carbink, and Eelektross, assuming a neutral speed nature with no investment (which most of them have). If you run Soft Boiled, it can be really helpful to outspeed these Pokemon, since they might come in after Chaney has been weakened. Outspeeding them lets you heal before they attack. I know it seems less important to Clefable, who doesn't get healing until the next turn anyway, but outspeeding can allow you to attack base 60s with Moonblast before they can hit you. It might seem irrelevant, but I almost guarantee it will help you more consistently than 4 SpAtk EVs will.
Ha! This is awesome. I never would have thought to use Sharpedo. It's cool that you got it to work. I'd be a bit worried about bad rotations with it, because it's not quite powerful enough to beat a lot of opponents without selecting the right move. Also, I wouldn't worry as much about its Fighting weakness as its "everything" weakness. If Sharpedo gets hit by a non-resisted move, it will probably die...but that's why you have Speed Boost!
Also, confusion and Volcarona will always be massively annoying in Rotations. The problem with Volc is that it's freaking bulky and it becomes really powerful really quickly. And while it has weaknesses, they're either capable of missing (Rock), resisted by very common types (Water), or hard to fit on your team (Flying). Also, Brave Bird risks a Flame Body burn unless you're Talonflame. The one or two times I used Rock Blast in my Rotations streak were against Volcarona, because while Chansey can Toxic stall, it would sometimes rather not risk getting smashed or Taunted by one of Volcarona's teammates. Basically, Volcarona is a bastard who should go die.
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Thank you, VaporeonIce :)
That's a great idea for Flare Blitz Arcanines or Rapidash for example, yes. But Wish let you the choice to sweep or Protect. So Wish + (Protect + Seismic) is a good thing for me because Taunt users, when you know who they are (you don't have any great special attacker with Taunt), I can easily beat them with Clefable and Skarm. And for Flare Blitz, they can beat themselves with the damage of the recoil against Wish + Protect spam. But I don't forget your idea which is great: maybe replace Protect by Counter. I'll think about it, just studying when I REALLY need Protect with Eviolite Chansey.
And Breloom 2 and 3 can appear with the Chefs cuz they can have 2 and 3 in Water, Grass or Fire Pokes.
That's a great idea for Flare Blitz Arcanines or Rapidash for example, yes. But Wish let you the choice to sweep or Protect. So Wish + (Protect + Seismic) is a good thing for me because Taunt users, when you know who they are (you don't have any great special attacker with Taunt), I can easily beat them with Clefable and Skarm. And for Flare Blitz, they can beat themselves with the damage of the recoil against Wish + Protect spam. But I don't forget your idea which is great: maybe replace Protect by Counter. I'll think about it, just studying when I REALLY need Protect with Eviolite Chansey.
And Breloom 2 and 3 can appear with the Chefs cuz they can have 2 and 3 in Water, Grass or Fire Pokes.
That's a really cool team, Uphaze! Sometimes I get too fixated on the "tried and true" bulky setup / lead crippler teams, and forget that others can also do well. The only thing I don't like is it must take you ages to get a high streak! lol
Also, the Chefs actually only use set 4 Pokemon, except for Roux who uses a Sunny Day team and Andrei who uses a Hail team. So indeed you will never see Breloom 2 or 3 after battle 40.
Also, the Chefs actually only use set 4 Pokemon, except for Roux who uses a Sunny Day team and Andrei who uses a Hail team. So indeed you will never see Breloom 2 or 3 after battle 40.