OU Black Sludge Amoonguss

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Jordy

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[SET]
name: Black Sludge
move 1: Spore
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore
item: Black Sludge
ability: Regenerator
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Spore grants Amoonguss the ability to put threatening Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Mawile, Mega Alakazam, and Heatran to sleep and somewhat makes up for Amoonguss's lack of offensive presence by allowing it to force out Pokemon with the threat of getting put to sleep. Hidden Power Fire allows Amoonguss to check Kartana while also preventing it from being setup fodder for Mega Mawile and Shift Gear Magearna as well as Spikes fodder for Ferrothorn. Sludge Bomb's notable poison chance and damage output makes it the preferred option over Clear Smog, but Clear Smog can still be chosen to neutralize boosting threats such as Clefable and Serperior. Stun Spore can be run instead of Sludge Bomb to still cripple threats that think they're safe after Amoonguss has put a Pokemon to sleep. It should be noted that Giga Drain can be foregone in favor of Stun Spore if Amoonguss's team already has another reliable way of beating Ash-Greninja.

Set Details
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56 Defense EVs allow Amoonguss to survive a +2 Smart Strike from Kartana. The given Special Defense investment along with a Calm nature allows Amoonguss to avoid the 2HKO from Ash-Greninja's Dark Pulse and lets Amoonguss check Pokemon like Magearna and Tapu Koko more reliably. On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile and Choice Band Tapu Bulu more reliably. Rocky Helmet should be used with this spread to wear these Pokemon down more steadily.

Usage Tips
========

Amoonguss should be brought in safely against Pokemon that it can check, such as Ash-Greninja, Magearna, Tapu Bulu, and Clefable. From there, it should look to cripple the opposition. Thanks to Amoonguss's decent bulk and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Kartana to scout what move they lock themselves into. However, you should be careful when using Amoonguss to check these Pokemon, as it lacks recovery and can't reliably take on Pokemon like Choice Band Kartana and Tapu Bulu because of this. Be mindful of when to use Spore because a fodder Pokemon could come in to take it for other Pokemon such as Mega Alakazam, Heatran, and Tornadus-T, which will actively be looking to take advantage of Amoonguss. If Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Alakazam, and Zapdos are predicted to switch in once another Pokemon has been put to sleep with Spore, Amoonguss should attempt to cripple them with Stun Spore, in Tornadus-T and Mega Alakzam's case, or poison them with Sludge Bomb. It's also important to actively utilize Regenerator with double switches out of Pokemon that it checks, as Amoonguss needs to be at a high range of HP to consistently check Pokemon, and this allows it to keep up the maximum amount of momentum, especially after using Spore.

Team Options
========

Amoonguss fits on teams ranging from balance to bulky offensive to even some stall teams. While Amoonguss has enough bulk to pivot into Ash-Greninja, having a Dark-resistant Pokemon like Clefable, Assault Vest Magearna, or Tyranitar is mandatory to prevent Amoonguss from getting flinched down by Dark Pulse. Steel-types like Magearna, Celesteela, and Jirachi can check Psychic-type Pokemon like Mega Alakazam and Tapu Lele that threaten Amoonguss. Because Heatran is a massive threat to Amoonguss, Pokemon that can check it such as Garchomp and Gliscor are good teammates. Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss, as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran, Mega Medicham, and Mega Latios. In return, Amoonguss keeps Electric-types in check and removes Toxic Spikes. Electric-types like Rotom-W, Zapdos, and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss. It should be noted that Tapu Koko nullifies Spore's ability to cripple a Pokemon, so make sure to be careful when using both on the same team. Because Amoonguss has to stay at high health to consistently check Pokemon, teammates that can remove entry hazards like Tornadus-T and Rotom-W are good options.

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Just a community member :) Leaving my thoughts here.

Hidden Power Fire allows Amoonguss to check Kartana, while also preventing it from being setup fodder for Mega Mawile and Shift Gear Magearna, as well as being Spikes fodder for Ferrothorn.
I don't think this is entirely true for the case of Mawile/Ferrothorn, it has rather lacking damage output.
  • 0 SpA Amoonguss Hidden Power Fire vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 78-94 (29.5 - 35.6%) -- 27.8% chance to 3HKO
  • 0 SpA Amoonguss Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Ferrothorn: 104-124 (29.5 - 35.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Probably fine for Mage though, while it can't do much with HP Fire Mage can't really touch it either.
Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran and Mega Latios.
Is this really true? Slowbro doesn't have great spdef, it's not going to take a Draco very well. Heatran can also Toxic it upon switchin

Electric-types like Rotom-W and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss.
I would mention Zapdos as well. These two often don't have reliable recovery and are prone to getting knocked off.
 

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I don't think this is entirely true for the case of Mawile/Ferrothorn, it has rather lacking damage output.
the point the OP makes isn't that Amoonguss is a fullproof method of stopping them, but rather, instead of letting those Pokemon abuse it without any consequence, it does decent enough damage to either prevent them from doing it or get them in range of a teammate - 30% chip isn't minor for breakers that take advantage of being able to tank a hit or two like Mawile or defensive pivots like Ferro that don't have reliable recovery.

without HP Fire, amoonguss allows itself to be complete Ferro bait; it can switch in for entirely free & Spike up without taking any sort of punishment.

similarly, Mawile can hard in & SD freely( as long as Spore has already been used), since Giga Drain does absolutely nothing. HP Fire does a decent enough amount of damage to deter it from doing so, or if it does, it's now within range of a LOT more attacks.
 
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Hi, just leaving some suggestions n_n

On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile more reliably.
I'd add CB Tapu Bulu aswell.

Thanks to Amoonguss's decent bulk, great resistances, and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T to scout what move they lock themselves into.
It's not really resistances that help scout choice locked Pokemon, mostly just bulk and regen. Maybe "great typing" would work better because the fact it isn't weak to Landorus/Gren/Kart's choice locked moves is useful.

Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran and Mega Latios
Maybe add Medicham too since alot of teams struggle against it, usually more so than Latios.
 

talah

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[SET COMMENTS]
Moves

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mention that it's possible to forego Giga Drain on teams with another good Ash Gren check(dual Spore + Sludge + HP Fire) if desired but ONLY then

Set Details
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since you talked about Stall, mention Rocky Helmet as a possibility on those PDef spreads

Usage Tips
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Thanks to Amoonguss's decent bulk and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Kartana to scout what move they lock themselves into.
mention how one should be careful when using Amoonguss liberally since it doesn't have recovery(unlike Toxapex) or enough bulk to always get away freely if pivoting into a CB Kart or a CB Bulu(unlike Tangrowth which takes significantly less)

Team Options
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While Amoonguss has enough bulk to pivot into Ash-Greninja, having a Dark-resistant Pokemon like Clefable, Assault Vest Magearna, and Tyranitar is still rather important to prevent Amoonguss from getting flinched down by Dark Pulse.
closer to 'practically mandatory' than 'rather important'. make sure to convey this and also that it should be a bulkier Dark resist, not something like your own Greninja.
Electric-types like Rotom-W, Zapdos, and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss.
mention Koko last in this list and talk about how Amoonguss interacts negatively with Terrain(it prevents Spore), so if using those two together you need to watch out for that

great stuff as always, QC 2/3
 

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Moves
Spore grants Amoonguss the ability to put Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Alakazam, and Heatran to sleep, which gives Amoonguss a decent offensive presence.
  • Mega Mawile as a target. Also it doesn't really give offensive presence, it moreso makes up for the lack of it.
Set Details
On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile and Choice Band Tapu Bulu more reliably. Rocky Helmet is an option to wear these Pokemon down more steadily.
  • Nitpicky but emphasize Rocky Helmet should only be used on Stall. It could be interpreted as an option for the main set.
QC 2:3, good work!!
 

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and somewhat makes up for Amoonguss' lack of offensive presence.
Id expand on this being because it forces out the aforementioned counters w the threat of sleep

The clear smog bit feels off considering you mention it halfway through the paragraph and its all the way at the bottom, merge the 2 sentences into 1, I know its not slashed but it makes more sense to mention the ups and downs of each in the same context

Id mention somewhere in the last bit in usage tips that doubling is most important once spore is used since amoon becomes very easy to take advantage of w no sleep

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[SET]
name: Black Sludge
move 1: Spore
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore
item: Black Sludge
ability: Regenerator
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Spore grants Amoonguss the ability to put Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Mawile, Mega Alakazam, and Heatran to sleep, and somewhat makes up for Amoonguss' lack of offensive presence by allowing it to force out Pokemon with the threat of getting slept. Hidden Power Fire allows Amoonguss to check Kartana, while also preventing it from being setup fodder for Mega Mawile and Shift Gear Magearna, as well as being Spikes fodder for Ferrothorn. Sludge Bomb's notable Poison chance and damage output makes it the preferred option over Clear Smog, but Clear Smog can still be elected to neutralize boosting threats such as Clefable and Serperior. Stun Spore can be run instead of Sludge Bomb to still be able to cripple threats that think they're safe after it has put a Pokemon to sleep. It should be noted that Giga Drain can be foregone in favor of Stun Spore if Amoonguss' team already has another reliably way of beating Ash-Greninja. (Double Period)

Set Details
========

56 Defense EVs allow Amoonguss to live a +2 Smart Strike from Kartana. The given Special Defense investment along with a Calm nature allow Amoonguss to avoid a 2HKO from Ash-Greninja's Dark Pulse and lets Amoonguss check Pokemon like Magearna and Tapu Koko more reliably. On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile and Choice Band Tapu Bulu more reliably. Rocky Helmet should be used with this spread to wear these Pokemon down more steadily.

Usage Tips
========

Amoonguss should be brought in safely against Pokemon that it can check, such as Ash-Greninja, Magearna, Tapu Bulu, and Clefable. From there, it should look to cripple the opposition. Thanks to Amoonguss's (prior to this you had the contraction with no "s") decent bulk and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Kartana to scout what move they lock themselves into. However, you should be careful when using Amoonguss to check these Pokemon, as it lacks recovery and can't reliably take on Pokemon like Choice Band Kartana and Tapu Bulu because of this. Be mindful of when to use Spore, because a fodder Pokemon could come in to take it for other Pokemon such as Mega Alakazam, Heatran, and Tornadus-T, which will actively be looking to take advantage of Amoonguss. If Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Alakazam, and Zapdos are predicted to switch in once another Pokemon has been put to sleep with Spore, Amoonguss should attempt to cripple them with Stun Spore, in Tornadus-T and Mega Alakzam's case, or poison them with Sludge Bomb. It's also important to actively utilize Regenerator with double switches out of Pokemon that it checks, because Amoonguss needs to be at a high range of HP to consistently check Pokemon, and this allows it to keep up the maximum amount of momentum. To add onto that, you should double switch much more often once Spore has been used to keep up momentum.

Team Options
========

Amoonguss fits on teams ranging from balance to bulky offensive, to even some stall teams. While Amoonguss has enough bulk to pivot into Ash-Greninja, having a Dark-resistant Pokemon like Clefable, Assault Vest Magearna, and Tyranitar is mandatory to prevent Amoonguss from getting flinched down by Dark Pulse. Steel-types like Magearna, Celesteela, and Jirachi can check Psychic-type Pokemon like Mega Alakazam and Tapu Lele that threaten Amoonguss. Because Heatran is a massive threat to Amoonguss, Pokemon that can check it such as Garchomp and Gliscor are good teammates. Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran, Mega Medicham, and Mega Latios. In return, Amoonguss keeps Electric-types in check and removes Toxic Spikes. Electric-types like Rotom-W, Zapdos, and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss. It should be noted that Tapu Koko nullifies Spore's ability to cripple a Pokemon, so make sure to be careful when using both on the same team. Because Amoonguss has to stay at high health to consistently check Pokemon, which is deterred by hazards, Pokemon that can remove entry hazards like Tornadus-T and Rotom-W are good teammates.

Few errors, and the ones that were there are just slight mistakes. Good job!
 
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[SET]
name: Black Sludge
move 1: Spore
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore
item: Black Sludge
ability: Regenerator
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Spore grants Amoonguss the ability to put Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Mawile, Mega Alakazam, and Heatran to sleep,(RC) and somewhat makes up for Amoonguss's lack of offensive presence by allowing it to force out Pokemon with the threat of getting slept put to sleep. Hidden Power Fire allows Amoonguss to check Kartana,(RC) while also preventing it from being setup fodder for Mega Mawile and Shift Gear Magearna,(RC) as well as being Spikes fodder for Ferrothorn. Sludge Bomb's notable poison chance and damage output makes it the preferred option over Clear Smog, but Clear Smog can still be elected to neutralize boosting threats such as Clefable and Serperior. Stun Spore can be run instead of Sludge Bomb to still be able to cripple threats that think they're safe after it Amoonguss has put a Pokemon to sleep. It should be noted that Giga Drain can be foregone in favor of Stun Spore if Amoonguss's team already has another reliably reliable way of beating Ash-Greninja..

Set Details
========

56 Defense EVs allow Amoonguss to live survive a +2 Smart Strike from Kartana The given Special Defense investment along with a Calm nature allows Amoonguss to avoid a the 2HKO from Ash-Greninja's Dark Pulse and lets Amoonguss check Pokemon like Magearna and Tapu Koko more reliably. On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile and Choice Band Tapu Bulu more reliably. Rocky Helmet should be used with this spread to wear these Pokemon down more steadily.

Usage Tips
========

Amoonguss should be brought in safely against Pokemon that it can check, such as Ash-Greninja, Magearna, Tapu Bulu, and Clefable. From there, it should look to cripple the opposition. Thanks to Amoonguss's decent bulk and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Kartana to scout what move they lock themselves into. However, you should be careful when using Amoonguss to check these Pokemon, as it lacks recovery and can't reliably take on Pokemon like Choice Band Kartana and Tapu Bulu because of this. Be mindful of when to use Spore,(RC) because a fodder Pokemon could come in to take it for other Pokemon such as Mega Alakazam, Heatran, and Tornadus-T, which will actively be looking to take advantage of Amoonguss. If Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Alakazam, and Zapdos are predicted to switch in once another Pokemon has been put to sleep with Spore, Amoonguss should attempt to cripple them with Stun Spore, in Tornadus-T and Mega Alakzam's case, or poison them with Sludge Bomb. It's also important to actively utilize Regenerator with double switches out of Pokemon that it checks, because as Amoonguss needs to be at a high range of HP to consistently check Pokemon, and this allows it to keep up the maximum amount of momentum.(period),(AC) especially after using Spore To add onto that, you should double switch much more often once Spore has been used to keep up momentum.

Team Options
========

Amoonguss fits on teams ranging from balance to bulky offensive,(RC) to even some stall teams. While Amoonguss has enough bulk to pivot into Ash-Greninja, having a Dark-resistant Pokemon like Clefable, Assault Vest Magearna, and Tyranitar is mandatory to prevent Amoonguss from getting flinched down by Dark Pulse. Steel-types like Magearna, Celesteela, and Jirachi can check Psychic-type Pokemon like Mega Alakazam and Tapu Lele that threaten Amoonguss. Because Heatran is a massive threat to Amoonguss, Pokemon that can check it such as Garchomp and Gliscor are good teammates. Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss,(AC) as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran, Mega Medicham, and Mega Latios. In return, Amoonguss keeps Electric-types in check and removes Toxic Spikes. Electric-types like Rotom-W, Zapdos, and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss. It should be noted that Tapu Koko nullifies Spore's ability to cripple a Pokemon, so make sure to be careful when using both on the same team. Because Amoonguss has to stay at high health to consistently check Pokemon, which is deterred by hazards, Pokemon that can remove entry hazards like Tornadus-T and Rotom-W are good teammates.
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[SET]
name: Black Sludge
move 1: Spore
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sludge Bomb / Stun Spore
item: Black Sludge
ability: Regenerator
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 204 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Spore grants Amoonguss the ability to put threatening [some descriptor to tie these mons together is nice] Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Mawile, Mega Alakazam, and Heatran to sleep and somewhat makes up for Amoonguss's lack of offensive presence by allowing it to force out Pokemon with the threat of getting put to sleep. Hidden Power Fire allows Amoonguss to check Kartana while also preventing it from being setup fodder for Mega Mawile and Shift Gear Magearna as well as Spikes fodder for Ferrothorn. Sludge Bomb's notable poison chance and damage output makes it the preferred option over Clear Smog, but Clear Smog can still be elected chosen [not a fan of elected here, I'd usually have something like 'elect to use' but that's hard to fit into this tense] to neutralize boosting threats such as Clefable and Serperior. Stun Spore can be run instead of Sludge Bomb to still cripple threats that think they're safe after Amoonguss has put a Pokemon to sleep. It should be noted that Giga Drain can be foregone in favor of Stun Spore if Amoonguss's team already has another reliable way of beating Ash-Greninja. (Removed a double period here)

Set Details
========

56 Defense EVs allow Amoonguss to survive a +2 Smart Strike from Kartana. (AP) The given Special Defense investment along with a Calm nature allows Amoonguss to avoid the 2HKO from Ash-Greninja's Dark Pulse and lets Amoonguss check Pokemon like Magearna and Tapu Koko more reliably. On stall teams, a more physically defensive spread can be run to check threatening stallbreakers such as Mega Mawile and Choice Band Tapu Bulu more reliably. Rocky Helmet should be used with this spread to wear these Pokemon down more steadily.

Usage Tips
========

Amoonguss should be brought in safely against Pokemon that it can check, such as Ash-Greninja, Magearna, Tapu Bulu, and Clefable. From there, it should look to cripple the opposition. Thanks to Amoonguss's decent bulk and Regenerator, it can also pivot into Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Kartana to scout what move they lock themselves into. However, you should be careful when using Amoonguss to check these Pokemon, as it lacks recovery and can't reliably take on Pokemon like Choice Band Kartana and Tapu Bulu because of this. Be mindful of when to use Spore because a fodder Pokemon could come in to take it for other Pokemon such as Mega Alakazam, Heatran, and Tornadus-T, which will actively be looking to take advantage of Amoonguss. If Pokemon such as Tornadus-T, Mega Alakazam, and Zapdos are predicted to switch in once another Pokemon has been put to sleep with Spore, Amoonguss should attempt to cripple them with Stun Spore, in Tornadus-T and Mega Alakzam's case, or poison them with Sludge Bomb. It's also important to actively utilize Regenerator with double switches out of Pokemon that it checks, as Amoonguss needs to be at a high range of HP to consistently check Pokemon, and this allows it to keep up the maximum amount of momentum, especially after using Spore.

Team Options
========

Amoonguss fits on teams ranging from balance to bulky offensive to even some stall teams. While Amoonguss has enough bulk to pivot into Ash-Greninja, having a Dark-resistant Pokemon like Clefable, Assault Vest Magearna, and or Tyranitar is mandatory to prevent Amoonguss from getting flinched down by Dark Pulse. Steel-types like Magearna, Celesteela, and Jirachi can check Psychic-type Pokemon like Mega Alakazam and Tapu Lele that threaten Amoonguss. Because Heatran is a massive threat to Amoonguss, Pokemon that can check it such as Garchomp and Gliscor are good teammates. Mega Slowbro in particular is a good partner to Amoonguss, as they can form a Regenerator core while Mega Slowbro checks Heatran, Mega Medicham, and Mega Latios. In return, Amoonguss keeps Electric-types in check and removes Toxic Spikes. Electric-types like Rotom-W, Zapdos, and Tapu Koko are capable of checking Tornadus-T, which is one of the main Pokemon that will try to actively take advantage of Amoonguss. It should be noted that Tapu Koko nullifies Spore's ability to cripple a Pokemon, so make sure to be careful when using both on the same team. Because Amoonguss has to stay at high health to consistently check Pokemon, which is deterred by hazards, Pokemon teammates that can remove entry hazards like Tornadus-T and Rotom-W are good teammates options.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Jordy, 395754] ]
- Quality checked by: [[Talah, 248449], [lyd, 303291], [Leo, 328915]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Fireflame479, 231476], [<username2>, <username2>]]

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