Black & White Battle Subway Records (now with gen. 4 records!)

I started playing a bit again in Single Subway, using a very unexciting team of:
Whimsicott / Prankster / Careful @ Focus Sash
- Taunt / Charm / Worry Seed / Memento

Uxie / Bold / Levitate @ Choice Scarf
- Trick / Stealth Rock / Thunderwave / Memento

Dragonite / Adamant / Multiscale @ Leftovers
- Dragon Dance / Substitute / Roost / Dragon Claw

Not very far right now (56 I think)... I'll see how far it goes... ... Only annoying things so far are U-Turns, Volt Switches, and Explosions. Haven't had any Head Smash leads yet, but I imagine it'd be a bit hard to deal with that too should that occur.


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Hi all, happy new year etc. maybe one of you can resolve to break my record in the new year because I just lost"!". On a plane to Phoenix, first time I've played since I posted the record, battle 376 Black Belt Enpi leads with Magnezone. Now the iPhone I'm typing this up on was off (coz aeroplane), and I had a feeling it would cost me, but that's about as much of a fuck as I gave/give (I'm not posting a picture btw "why"). First four battles were cake and my new 3ds that I was playing on was telling me that my battery was low, even though Mario Kart 7 (a real 3ds game unlike Pokemon white) was saying I was fine. More the reason to turn it off after winning three or four battles, but eh.

Anyway, I was using Whimsicott/Dragonite/Mesprit, if anyone needs a refresher. Taunt, Flash Cannon takes me to 80/136, and here's where my lack of fucks given cost me I guess. If I had any fucks to give, I would have checked the list, since my intricate knowledge of all the Subway pokes has deteriorated a little from this summer. I wouldn't have Mementoed a Volt Switch threat, and may have gotten in Dragonite in a little earlier when the decrepit Forretress that only knows Explosion as an attacking move started doing stuff Dragonite doesn't care about. I was able to Charm it to the point that its eventual boom did not break Draggy's sub (which surprised me at the time about as much as Forty using boom in the first place did). Alas, I was only at +1, which didn't look to be enough to 3hko Zone (something I calc with a higher number of fucks given about the Subway), so obviously when I'm naked against its locked TB, it paralyzes the effectively 4x-resist Dragon. And obviously pares Mesprit on the switch back from my 100% HP Draggy so I can't paralyze it myself...Draggy's eventual fp is a mere formality at that point, and all I really care about is why I even bothered to play again lol. 4.5 hour flight and I was tired of grinding up coins in Kart to unlock shit I guess?

Maybe this will motivate Peterko or someone to care about shooting for the singles record (again), cause that's was clearly (to me, anyway) what caused the loss in my fifth battle since this summer more than fucking Magnezone, lol. It's hard to put into words what that feels like to those who don't have an ide, but for some reason the closest example would be a 90's Chicago Bulls team that had just won the championship. Granted, they 3peated twice, but Jordan said repeatedly that moving himself and his teammates was the toughest thing to do after raising a championship banner. Unfortunately for me his team was allowed to lose a battle or two early in a season!

Have fun, kids–I've been catching up on this thread slowly but surely since my break started and I obviously missed "this" enough to play even when my heart wasn't really in it. "Maybe I'll try doubles", with the theorymon I did with that this summer when I was trying to find the best speed singles team and best efficient one. Doubt it though cause Kart is fun as hell (though annoying in its own right, fuck Blue Shells when you're gliding over a cliff so much).

edit Chinese Dood lol. just lol that you would just have posted that team and mentioned Volt Switch and Explosion.


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Updated the list

Post here (in this topic) if I made any mistakes or forgot someone.

Sorry Nickscor for missspelling your nick on the last update, but guys please don´t send me PMs or post visitor messages if I make mistakes. After each update, I always explicitly say to post any mistakes in this topic.

Ripamon don´t be such a baby, you could´ve saved yourself the time you posted about me not updating the records list. I do update it regulary, once per month in average. The last update was on Dec. 12th, which is only 19 days ago, not "a month". Plus your record´s like #40, anyway ._.

Sorry kid31, you didn´t make the list. Seeing as there´s already 50 people in the Super Singles list, I´ve just decided that 50 people will be the cut. Seems like you can continue your 70 streak anyway and if you win a few more battles, post again.

I´ll post a few more comments later...


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Haha oops now I feel dumb I hadn't read to see if my record had been broken "recently", that's how out of the loop I am, thanks business school! I think I was two pages from finding out myself, and I would have been aiming to retake my record the second I knew (and I think it's fair to say I wouldn't have been playing battle 376 yesterday in "no fucks given" mode like two full months after my record had been broken if I had known). Congrats to Mercury, nice work! Gives me something to shoot for on vacation next week :)


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Here you go, my friends :)

It was long overdue, but as promised, I´ve added last generation records to the first post. Took me about 7 hours to update and revamp the whole thing.

P A R T 2 : Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle Frontier Records, Diamond & Pearl Battle Tower Records

Link to the original topic in Stark Mountain

SECTION 1: Single Battle Mode Records

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle TOWER SINGLES Records:

1. Jumpman16 (2366) - [size=-2]January 13th, 2010 - Mesprit, Drapion, Garchomp & video of 2359-2364 & some other videos[/size]; (190) - [size=-2]May 26th, 2009 - Latias, Drapion, Scizor [/size]
2. Peterko (2363) - [size=-2]October 4th, 2009 until December 13th, 2009 - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp - team version 2[/size]; (696) - [size=-2] August 24th, 2009 until August 30th, 2009 - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp - team version 1[/size]
3. Bozo (1159) - [size=-2]March 16th, 2010 - Latias, Registeel, Salamence, & how he lost[/size];
[size=-2]--- Bozo[/size](459) - [size=-2]January 4th, 2010 - Latias, Registeel, Salamence[/size]; (174) - [size=-2]November 13th, 2009 - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]; (165) - [size=-2]October 26th, 2009 - Salamence, Suicune, Blissey[/size]
4. DrDimentio (646) - [size=-2]February 21st, 2010 - Cresselia, Salamence, Registeel[/size];
[size=-2]--- DrDimentio[/size] (313) - [size=-2]November 14th, 2009 - Uxie, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]; (293) - [size=-2]December 19th, 2009 - Togekiss, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]; (196) - [size=-2]September 2nd, 2009 - Uxie, Scizor, Garchomp & how he lost[/size]
5. FastHippo (560) - [size=-2]March 3rd, 2011 - Latias, Empoleon, Salamence[/size]; (489) - [size=-2]February 21st, 2011 - Uxie, Heatran, Garchomp & how he lost[/size]
6. Eelektrawss (519) - [size=-2]February 10th, 2011 - Latios, Shuckle, Empoleon[/size]
7. fluffyflyingpig (420) - [size=-2]March 2nd, 2011 - Uxie, Salamence, Drapion[/size]
8. garo (413) - [size=-2]July 30th, 2009 - Uxie, Registeel, Dragonite[/size]
9. EonADS (392) - [size=-2]September 28th until December 31st, 2010 - Uxie, Heatran, Salamence[/size];
[size=-2]--- EonADS[/size] (383) - [size=-2]July 25th, 2010 - Latias, Drapion, Scizor[/size]; (264) - [size=-2]May 29th, 2010 - Latias, Drapion, Scizor[/size];
[size=-2]--- EonADS[/size] (237) - [size=-2]February 26th, 2010 - Latias, Lucario, Dragonite[/size]; (198) - [size=-2]January 7th, 2010 - Spiritomb, Articuno, Swampert[/size];
[size=-2]--- EonADS[/size] (184) - [size=-2]June 29th, 2010 - Starmie, Shuckle, Garchomp[/size]
10. Chinese Dood (290) - [size=-2]December 26th, 2010 - Latias, Mawile, Suicune & how he lost[/size];
[size=-2]---- Chinese Dood[/size] (222) - [size=-2]February 8th, 2011 - Latios, Metagross, Suicune & how he lost[/size]; (174) - [size=-2]January 30th, 2011 - Uxie, Mismagius, Scizor[/size];
[size=-2]---- Chinese Dood[/size] (155) - [size=-2]January 8th, 2011 - Metagross, Mismagius, Latios[/size]; (147) - [size=-2]January 23rd, 2011 - Latios, Mawile, Suicune[/size]
11. typhlosion23 (272) - [size=-2]July 27th, 2009 - Infernape, Latios, Metagross[/size]
12. Head Honchkrow (268) - [size=-2]April 13th, 2010 - Uxie, Scizor, Latias[/size]; (165) - [size=-2]November 15th, 2009 - Uxie, Scizor, Suicune[/size]
13. musicmeister (260) - [size=-2]August 2nd, 2010 - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]; (202) - [size=-2]July 26th, 2010 - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]
14. wtansley (259) - [size=-2]September 24th, 2009 - Uxie, Garchomp, Scizor[/size]
15. McGraw (210) - [size=-2]August 20th, 2009 - Latios, Scizor, Gyarados[/size]
16. nyczxjay (203) - [size=-2]April 12th, 2009 - Metagross, Suicune, Garchomp[/size]
17. CBshuckle (185) - [size=-2]December 27th, 2010 Gengar, Garchomp, Metagross[/size]; (139) - [size=-2]January 17th, 2010 - Gengar, Garchomp, Tyranitar[/size]
18. UPPERDECKER (180) - [size=-2]April 2nd, 2010 - Mesprit, Latios, Registeel[/size];
[size=-2]---- UPPERDECKER[/size] (151) - [size=-2]December 28th, 2010 - Uxie, Heatran, Garchomp[/size]; (141) - [size=-2]April 24th, 2010 - Cresselia, Latios, Scizor[/size]
19. Diana (163) - [size=-2]November 12th, 2009 - Cresselia, Dragonite, Registeel[/size]; (126) - [size=-2]June 9th, 2009 - Cresselia, Dragonite, Scizor[/size]
20. darkseeker4 (161) - [size=-2]August 16th, 2009 - Uxie, Registeel, Latios[/size]
21. drug duck (161) - [size=-2]September 26th, 2009 - Latias, Scizor, Garchomp[/size]
22. RdRdGhD (158) - [size=-2]May 7th, 2010 - Latias, Scizor, Garchomp[/size]; (141) - [size=-2]April 8th, 2010 - Latias, Drapion, Kingdra[/size]
23. CasualXXLinkXx (155) - [size=-2]September 10th, 2009 - Uxie, Scizor, Suicune[/size]
24. ungulateman (153) - [size=-2]July 26th, 2010 - Spiritomb, Snorlax, Salamence[/size]
25. Szabu (153) - [size=-2]September 18th, 2010 - Gengar, Garchomp, Lucario[/size]
26. Gonzaa (150) - [size=-2]February 28th, 2010 - Latios, Registeel, Garchomp[/size]
27. The Mighty Wurmple (142) - [size=-2]September 22nd, 2010 - Garchomp, Heatran, Cresselia[/size]
28. Muaziz (140) - [size=-2]June 28th, 2010 - Flygon, Scizor, Starmie[/size]
29. schorchedsky (138) - [size=-2]March 3rd, 2010 - Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp[/size]
30. Cl0wn (138) - [size=-2]April 10th, 2010 - Mesprit, Drapion, Gyarados & how he lost[/size]
31. Fatum (135) - [size=-2]October 2nd, 2009 - Uxie, Scizor, Latios[/size]; (101) - [size=-2]August 7th, 2009 - Starmie, Garchomp, Metagross[/size]

Fun Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle Tower Singles TIME CHALLENGE Records (battles 1-49):

1. Peterko (78 minutes) - [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp, Snorlax/Weavile [/size]
2. Bozo (84 minutes) - [size=-2]Starmie, Salamence, Weavile [/size]
3. Chinese Dood (85 minutes) - [size=-2]Latios, Metagross, Suicune[/size]; (87 minutes) - [size=-2]Starmie, Heatran, Flygon [/size]
4. Aardvark (107 minutes) - [size=-2]Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp [/size]

Diamond & Pearl ORIGINAL Battle TOWER SINGLES Records:

1. Peterko (459) - [size=-2]December 13th, 2008 - Latios, Skarmory, Snorlax[/size];
[size=-2]--- Peterko[/size] (173) - [size=-2]September 8th, 2007 - Starmie, Garchomp, Snorlax[/size]; (146) - [size=-2]February 28th, 2008 - Garchomp, Azelf, Snorlax [/size]
2. Team Rocket Elite (330) - [size=-2]February 21st, 2008 - Gengar, Blissey, Froslass[/size]; (177) - [size=-2]June 26th, 2007 - Metagross, Gengar, Blissey [/size]
3. Jumpman16 (321) - [size=-2]May 11th, 2008 - Lopunny, Latios, Lucario[/size]; (203) - [size=-2]July 29th, 2007 - Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp [/size]
4. FastHippo (311) - [size=-2]June 9th, 2008 - Hippowdon, Garchomp, Lucario[/size];
[size=-2]--- FastHippo[/size] (246) - [size=-2]December 6th, 2008 - Hippowdon, Garchomp, Lapras[/size]; (192) - [size=-2]February 21st, 2009 - Jolteon, Garchomp, Gyrados [/size]
5. garo (276) - [size=-2]June 19th, 2008 - Rotom, Registeel, Dragonite [/size]
6. No One411 (273) - [size=-2]September 11th, 2008 - Rotom/Smeargle/Gengar, Garchomp, Lucario/Suicune/Zapdos [/size]
7. shipship (267) - [size=-2]August 28th, 2008 - Tyranitar, Garchomp, Bronzong [/size]
8. Arceus thrasher (258) - [size=-2]September 20th, 2008 - Garchomp, Azelf, Snorlax [/size]
9. Ranz (254) - [size=-2]September 20th, 2008 - Garchomp, Suicune, Spiritomb [/size]
10. Zracknel (232) - [size=-2]May 28th, 2008 - Gengar, Metagross, Slaking [/size]
11. DeLorean (212) - [size=-2]July 11th, 2008 - Salamence, Gengar, Lucario [/size]
12. cmg474 (211) - [size=-2]March 14th, 2008 - Zapdos, Tyranitar, Garchomp [/size]
13. venom prince91 (210) - [size=-2]March 23rd, 2008Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp [/size]
14. zerowing (198) - [size=-2]October 25th, 2008 - Abomasnow, Froslass, Gyarados [/size]
15. Battle-Tower Challenger (186) - [size=-2]March 18th, 2009 - Umbreon, Gyarados, Garchomp [/size]
16. M4GNITUDE (184) - [size=-2]March 11th, 2008 - Azelf, Metagross, Gyarados [/size]
17. AhrenElessedil (180) - [size=-2]August 31st, 2008 - Rotom, Registeel, Latias [/size]
18. kingofgames (177) - [size=-2]February 17th, 2008 - Machamp, Cresselia, Spiritomb [/size]
19. lockon (175) - [size=-2]January 20th, 2008 - Gengar, Breloom, Latios [/size]
20. pyrzi (171) - [size=-2]December 23rd, 2008 - Gengar, Garchomp, Jolteon [/size]
21. Garchomp of the Funk (168) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Bronzong, Latios [/size]
22. valir (165) - [size=-2]June 30th, 2007 - Swellow, Weezing, Bronzong [/size]
23. DougJustDoug (165) - [size=-2]October 21st, 2007 - Starmie, Tyaranitar, Garchomp [/size]
24. Carl (165) - [size=-2]April 27th, 2008 - Wobbuffet, Gengar, Lucario [/size]
25. jcompy (161) - [size=-2]February 22nd, 2011 - Rotom, Registeel, Garchomp [/size]

Diamond & Pearl TRADEBACK Battle TOWER SINGLES Records (with Platinum, HeartGold or SoulSilver movesets):

1. Bozo (595) - [size=-2]January 24th, 2010 - Latias, Registeel, Salamence [/size]
2. Jumpman16 (499) - [size=-2]August 22nd, 2009 - Cresselia, Latios, Scizor + Battle #500 Warstory [/size]
3. LunaticSoul (346) - [size=-2]Uxie, Scizor, Garchomp [/size]
4. toldaillmin (263) - [size=-2]Latias, Blissey, Scizor [/size]
5. Marcel123 (243) - [size=-2]Cresselia, Salamence, Scizor [/size]
6. Gertle627 (242) - [size=-2]Cresselia, Salamence, Registeel [/size]
7. EeveeTrainer (231) - [size=-2]Cresselia, Latios, Scizor [/size]
8. yadazhai (227) - [size=-2]Latios, Scizor, Garchomp [/size]
9. Everstone (223) - [size=-2]Metagross, Suicune, Garchomp [/size]
10. Hakio (189) - [size=-2]Dragonite, Azelf, Tangrowth [/size]
11. MacG (189) - [size=-2]Uxie, Scizor, Latias [/size]
12. Eppie (165) - [size=-2]Cresselia, Scizor, Latios [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle HALL SINGLES Records:

1. Nickm65 (283) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
2. Jumpman16 (264) - [size=-2]Kingdra; post about 260 & how he lost 61-84306-08353[/size]; (243) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z[/size]; (176) - [size=-2]Tyranitar [/size]
3. Team Rocket Elite (252) - [size=-2]Swampert[/size]; (190) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
4. Peterko (220) - [size=-2]Blissey [/size]
5. Splendiferous (220) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
6. GoldoShivaa (216) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
7. Waffeleisen (216) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
8. Bozo (211) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
9. RB Golbat (205) - [size=-2]Togekiss [/size]
10. AndyB (205) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
11. Fatum (202) - [size=-2]Garchomp[/size]; (169) - [size=-2]Infernape [/size]
12. Damanzi (201) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
13. SapphireMemories (200) - [size=-2]Gallade [/size]
14. Nipa (199) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
15. Wild Eep (199) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
16. Ominous Fyre (199) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
17. christopher_1942 (196) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
18. ~Mercury~ (196) - [size=-2]Togekiss [/size]
19. kd24 (195) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
20. chickenonabun (194) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
21. pokemonwargeneral (194) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
22. Chaos669 (193) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
23. Szabu (193) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
24. Ezay (192) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
25. NinRac (191) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
26. Gokufan (190) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
27. e.j. (189) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
28. CBshuckle (189) - [size=-2]Garchomp [/size]
29. xabu1 (188) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]
30. Blazade (187) - [size=-2]Salamence [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle CASTLE SINGLES Records:

1. Bozo (1008) - [size=-2]Salamence, Milotic, Blissey[/size];
[size=-2]--- Bozo[/size] (839) - [size=-2]Salamence, Milotic, Blissey & how he lost[/size]; (568) - [size=-2]Salamence, Milotic, Blissey & how he lost [/size]
2. Pikiwyn (475) - [size=-2]Smeargle, Cresselia, Breloom [/size]
3. Fatum (407) - [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp, Skarmory[/size];
[size=-2]--- Fatum[/size] (251) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Metagross, Starmie[/size]; (112) - [size=-2]Medicham, Metagross, Salamence [/size]
4. pokemonwargeneral (293) - [size=-2]Latios, Garchomp, Scizor [/size]
5. Honchkrow (205) - [size=-2]Starmie, Scizor, Garchomp [/size]
6. Diana (141) - [size=-2]Starmie, Scizor, Garchomp [/size]
7. darkseeker (97) - [size=-2]Salamence, Skarmory, Cresselia & how he lost [/size]
8. Little Green Yoda (97) - [size=-2]Gyarados, Dusknoir, Blissey & how he lost [/size]
9. NC (93) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z, Garchomp, Wobbuffet [/size]
10. ~Mercury~ (86) - [size=-2]Latias, Metagross, Zapdos [/size]
11. Blazade (71) - [size=-2]Blaziken, Salamence, Heatran [/size]
12. Jumpman16 (63) - [size=-2]Salamence, Suicune, Snorlax [/size]
13. JulesLetters (62) - [size=-2]Starmie, Scizor, Zapdos [/size]
14. Chinese Dood (60) - [size=-2]Starmie, Breloom, Electivire [/size]
15. KevlarX290 (60) - [size=-2]Salamence, Starmie, Metagross [/size]
16. Hutch3 (60) - [size=-2]Starmie, Metagross, Garchomp [/size]
17. Nipa (58) - [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp, Infernape [/size]
18. Cool Ivysaur (58) - [size=-2]Latios, Lucario, Zapdos [/size]
19. RB Golbat (56) - [size=-2]Starmie, Togekiss, Garchomp [/size]
20. hdiuy (56) - [size=-2]Tyranitar, Garchomp, Scizor [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle ARCADE SINGLES Records:

1. Team Rocket Elite (194) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Blissey, Gengar[/size]; (58) - [size=-2]Latios, Garchomp, Metagross [/size]
2. BeachBoy (175) - [size=-2]Umbreon, Salamence, Suicune [/size]
3. VaporeonIce (148) - [size=-2]Uxie, Garchomp, Drapion [/size]
4. ~Mercury~ (130) - [size=-2]Latias, Metagross, Milotic [/size]
5. Jumpman16 (112) - [size=-2]Salamence, Suicune, Snorlax [/size]
6. Diana (77) - [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp, Scizor [/size]
7. NC (76) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z, Garchomp, Wobbuffet [/size]
8. CBshuckle (74) - [size=-2]Latios, Metagross, Vaporeon [/size]
9. Alakazamaster (73) - [size=-2]Salamence, Milotic, Scizor [/size]
10. pokemonwargeneral (72) - [size=-2]Latios, Garchomp, Scizor [/size]
11. dumbdonkey (69) - [size=-2]Lucario, Gengar, Kingdra [/size]
12. Level 51 (69) - [size=-2]Gengar, Garchomp, Porygon-Z [/size]
13. Chinese Dood (68) - [size=-2]Zapdos, Heatran, Flygon [/size]
14. latios315 (67) - [size=-2]Tyranitar, Garchomp, Latios [/size]
15. Seafunks (67) - [size=-2]Zapdos, Gyarados, Heatran [/size]
16. Jhonny (65) - [size=-2]Salamence, Metagross, Milotic [/size]
17. Llewellyn (65) - [size=-2]Salamence, Scizor, Latios [/size]
18. romon1 (63) - [size=-2]Gyarados, Scizor, Latios [/size]
19. VaporeonIce (62) - [size=-2]Metagross, Suicune, Dragonite & how he lost [/size]
20. Shotoetoe (61) - [size=-2]Togekiss, Latios, Aggron [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY SINGLES Records (Level 50):

1. TotalPotato (52) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
2. Kamisutra (51) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
3. Fatum (50) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
4. Chinese Dood (43) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
5. redreoicy (42) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
6. Hutch3 (39) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
7. Progeusz (38) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
8. Apfelflapfe (37) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
9. Darkflagrance (36) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
10. Wichu´s brother (36) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY SINGLES Records (Open Level):

1. Black Eye (74) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
2. Blazade (63) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
3. MythTrainerInfinity (59) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
4. Team Rocket Elite (56) - [size=-2]post including how factory IVs and movesets work [/size]
5. Amelia (55) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
6. Sixfortyfive (53) - [size=-2]rentals[/size]; (51) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
7. Samhain Grim (52) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
8. aragornbird (52) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
9. Miku (50) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
10. Jumpman16 (49) - [size=-2]epic post [/size]
11. Brel00m (49) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
12. GoldoShivaa (49) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
13. Glen (49) - EPIC FACTORY GUIDE; (47) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
14. VaporeonIce (48) - [size=-2]rentals[/size];
[size=-2]---- VaporeonIce[/size] (46) - [size=-2]rentals[/size]; (45) - rentals [/size]
15. Shroomisaur (48) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
16. frogrunner (47) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
17. Joel (47) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
18. UsainBolt (46) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
19. feral brute (45) - [size=-2]rentals [/size]
20. Phiddlesticks (44) - [size=-2]rentals [/size][/B]

SECTION 2: Double Battle Mode Records

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle TOWER DOUBLES Records:

1. Team Rocket Elite (955) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Togekiss, Snorlax, Dusknoir[/size];
[size=-2]--- Team Rocket Elite[/size] (628) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Togekiss, Dusknoir, Snorlax[/size]; (142) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Starly, Dusknoir, Snorlax [/size]
2. Peterko (626) - [size=-2]Hitmonlee, Latios, Zapdos, Metagross[/size]; (415) - [size=-2]Starmie, Toxicroak, Latios, Scizor [/size]
3. Little Green Yoda (563) - [size=-2]Dusknoir, Smeargle, Machamp, Metagross[/size]; (312) - [size=-2]Dusknoir, Cleffa, Machamp, Metagross [/size]
4. Eppie (373) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Togekiss, Octillery, Snorlax [/size]
5. CBshuckle (323) - [size=-2]Kingdra, Ludicolo, Kabutops, Latios[/size]; (265) - [size=-2]Kingdra, Ludicolo, Kabutops, Latios & how he lost [/size]
6. ~Mercury~ (318) - [size=-2]Tauros, Latias, Metagross, Gengar [/size]
7. Chinese Dood (271) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Duskull, Camerupt, Machamp[/size];
[size=-2]--- Chinese Dood[/size] (154) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Duskull, Camerupt, Machamp & previous 124 streak with the team; (148) - Jolteon, Ludicolo, Vaporeon, Metagross[/size];
[size=-2]--- Chinese Dood[/size] (145) - [size=-2]Gengar, Metagross, Azelf, Heatran[/size]; (99) - [size=-2]Starmie, Vaporeon, Metagross, Gengar [/size]
8. Groombridge (260) - [size=-2]Infernape, Latios, Latias, Metagross [/size]
9. UPPERDECKER (246) - [size=-2]Heatran, Yanmega, Latios, Metagross [/size]
10. Edwin illan (238) - [size=-2]Dusknoir, Swinub, Camerupt, Octillery [/size]

Diamond & Pearl ORIGINAL Battle TOWER DOUBLES Records:

1. Team Rocket Elite (770) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Starly, Dusknoir, Snorlax[/size]; (653) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Starly, Dusknoir, Exeggutor[/size]
2. Eppie (451) - [size=-2]Smeargle, Dusknoir, Snorlax, Regirock; team changes & pic + how he lost[/size]
3. BeatenByBulbasaur (233) - [size=-2]Vaporeon, Ludicolo, Kingdra, Zapdos & how he lost [/size]
4. PurpleNurple42 (203) - [size=-2]Metagross, Gengar, Azelf, Dusknoir [/size]
5. deuteronopia (200) - [size=-2]Infernape, Ambipom, Gyarados, Latios [/size]
6. Ashenlock (153) - [size=-2]Cherrim, Shiftry, Typhlosion, Heatran [/size]
7. shipship (139) - [size=-2]Azelf, Alakazam, Heatran, Scizor[/size]; (122) - [size=-2]Latios, Gyarados, Garchomp, Regice [/size]
8. Peterko (135) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Azelf, Metagross, Zapdos[/size]; (134) - [size=-2]Metagross, Zapdos, Gyarados, Azelf [/size]
9. Chinese Dood (132) - [size=-2]Togekiss, Snorlax, Bronzong, Gyarados [/size]
10. DownUnder279 (110) – [size=-2]Gengar, Salamence, Metagross, Vaporeon [/size]

Diamond & Pearl TRADEBACK Battle TOWER DOUBLES Records (with Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver movesets):

1. Ostrigal (238) – [size=-2]Garchomp, Zapdos, Metagross, Abomasnow [/size]
2. lildragon (224) – [size=-2]Infernape, Zapdos, Metagross, Garchomp [/size]
3. deuteronopia (137) – [size=-2]Starmie, Toxicroak, Kingdra, Ludicolo [/size]
4. Bozo (110) – [size=-2]Smeargle, Charizard, Gengar, Gyarados [/size]
5. SkullCandy (78) – [size=-2]Garchomp, Zapdos, Metagross, Abomasnow [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle HALL DOUBLES Records:

1. Team Rocket Elite (613) – [size=-2]Kingdra + Kingdra[/size];
[size=-2]--- Team Rocket Elite[/size] (380) – [size=-2]Garchomp + Garchomp[/size]; (323) – [size=-2]Gyarados + Gyarados[/size]; (204) – [size=-2]Lucario + Lucario[/size]
2. Jumpman16 (225) – [size=-2]Salamence & Salamence [/size]
3. Grani (225) – [size=-2]Metagross & Metagross [/size]
4. ~Mercury~ (201) – [size=-2]Azelf & Azelf [/size]
5. Chinese Dood (192) – [size=-2]Metagross & Metagross [/size]
6. NinRac (191) – [size=-2]Porygon-Z & Porygon-Z [/size]
7. Chaos669 (184) – [size=-2]Azelf & Azelf [/size]
8. pokemonwargeneral (184) – [size=-2]Garchomp & Garchomp [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle CASTLE DOUBLES Records:

1. pokemonwargeneral (331) - [size=-2]Typhlosion, Latios, Swampert & proof pic[/size]; (134) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z, Infernape, Latios [/size]
2. Team Rocket Elite (308) - [size=-2]Bronzong, Duskull, Dusknoir [/size]
3. Chinese Dood (111) - [size=-2]Zapdos, Flygon, Metagross[/size]; (60) - [size=-2]Weavile, Porygon-Z, Gyarados [/size]
4. ~Mercury~ (86) - [size=-2]Salamence, Metagross, Gyarados [/size]
5. darkseeker4 (59) - [size=-2]Infernape, Ambipom, Milotic [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle ARCADE DOUBLES Records:

1. Team Rocket Elite (175) – [size=-2]Bronzong, Duskull, Dusknoir [/size]
2. CBshuckle (101) – [size=-2]Latios, Metagross, Vaporeon[/size];
[size=-2]--- CBshuckle[/size] (98) – [size=-2]Latios, Metagross, Vaporeon[/size]; (78) – [size=-2]Gengar, Garchomp, Metagross [/size]
3. ~Mercury~ (72) - [size=-2]Salamence, Metagross, Gyarados [/size]
4. Chinese Dood (54) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z, Weavile, Gengar [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY DOUBLES Records (Level 50):

1. RIDICULOUS (31) – [size=-2]rentals [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY DOUBLES Records (Open Level):

1. andrewn630 (30) – [size=-2]rentals [/size]
2. AUGHBAR (28) – [size=-2]rentals [/size]

SECTION 3: Wi-Fi Battle Mode Records

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle TOWER WI-FI Records:

1. Enygma (rank: 10, streak: 106) – [size=-2]Gengar, Metagross, Garchomp [/size]
2. pokemonwargeneral (rank: 10, streak: 46) – [size=-2]Cresselia, Tyranitar, Registeel[/size]; (rank: 6, streak: 20) – [size=-2]Metagross, Rhyperior, Shedinja [/size]
3. Little Green Yoda (rank: 10, streak: 18) – [size=-2]Weavile, Gyarados, Garchomp [/size]
4. Carl (rank: 10, streak: 14) – [size=-2]Weavile, Zapdos, Machamp [/size]
5. Sixfortyfive (rank:5, streak: 15) - [size=-2]Togekiss, Gengar, Garchomp/Torterra [/size]

Diamond & Pearl Battle TOWER WI-FI Records:

1. JohnR011 (rank: 10, streak: 79) - [size=-2]Gengar, Metagross, Garchomp [/size]
2. Team Rocket Elite (rank: 10, streak: 67) - [size=-2]Hippowdon, Cacturne, Heatran [/size]
3. johnXkid (rank: 10, streak: 35) - [size=-2]Porygon-Z, Metagross, Dusknoir [/size]
4. Little Green Yoda (rank: 10, streak: 28) – [size=-2]Heatran, Gyarados, Garchomp [/size]
5. MapleSandwitch (rank: 10, streak: 28) – [size=-2]Lucario, Gengar, Articuno [/size]
6. Battle-Tower Challenger (rank: 10, streak: 22) – [size=-2]Umbreon, Gyarados, Abomasnow [/size]
7. Ashenlock (rank: 10, streak: 21) – [size=-2]Uxie, Ninjask, Breloom [/size]
8. wiinry (rank: 10, streak: 21) – [size=-2]Azelf, Garchomp, Lucario [/size]
9. Everstone (rank:10, streak: 21) - [size=-2]Metagross, Suicune, Garchomp [/size]
10. Bozo (rank: 10, streak: ?) – [size=-2]Gengar, Snorlax, Suicune [/size]

SECTION 4: Multi Battle Mode Records (in-game trainer partner)

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle TOWER MULTI Records:

1. CBshuckle (72) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Metagross [/size]
2. Sixfortyfive (67) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Torterra [/size]
3. ~Mercury~ (62) - [size=-2]Gengar, Gyarados [/size]
4. demonic10 (57) - [size=-2]Machamp, Metagross [/size]
5. Shoeman (56) - [size=-2]Metagross, Dragonite [/size]

Diamond & Pearl Battle TOWER MULTI Records:

1. Hrothgar (119) – [size=-2]Froslass, Cresselia [/size]
2. Gardevoir (105) – [size=-2]Milotic, Metagross [/size]
3. Mrobinson587 (91) – [size=-2]Salamence, Metagross [/size]
4. Holo386 (77) – [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp [/size]
5. bejlash (72) – [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp [/size]
6. deuteronopia (69) – [size=-2]Latios, Metagross[/size]; (59) - [size=-2]Salamence, Metagross [/size]
7. Holo386 (63) – [size=-2]Starmie, Garchomp [/size]
8. latios315 (60) – [size=-2]Latios, Garchomp [/size]
9. da big blast (59) – [size=-2]Froslass, Hitmonchan [/size]
10. Everstone (59) – [size=-2]Gengar, Metagross [/size]

SECTION 5: Link Battle Mode Records (human partner)

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle TOWER LINK Records:

1. waffles101 & waffles101 (161) - [size=-2]Garchomp, Scizor + Zapdos, Bronzong [/size]
2. Sixfortyfive & friend (50) - [size=-2]Gengar, Garchomp + Togekiss, Torterra [/size]

Diamond & Pearl Battle TOWER LINK Records:

1. Peterko & Peterko (242) – [size=-2]Latias, Snorlax + Infernape, Metagross [/size]
2. Team Rocket Elite & Team Rocket Elite (230) – [size=-2]Bronzong, Exeggutor + Smeargle, Dusknoir [/size]
3. ZaqdosPKKRU & GHowPKKRU (113) – [size=-2]Zapdos, Tyranitar + Swampert, Scizor [/size]
4. Hazmat & friend (112) – [size=-2]Zapdos, Swampert + Flygon, Heatran [/size]
5. ilabb & friend (101) – [size=-2]Gallade, Porygon-Z + Aerodactyl, Metagross [/size]

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle HALL LINK Records:


Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle CASTLE LINK Records:

Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle ARCADE LINK Records:


Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY LINK Records(Level 50):


Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle FACTORY LINK Records(Open Level):

1. Peache$ and Mister Hoey (38) – [size=-2]rentals [/size]
2. andrewn630 & friend (31) – [size=-2]rentals [/size]

That was a tough loss Jump, even the best players often lose after a longer break due to misplay. I´m not sure if I ever play Subway Super Singles again, I mean I only got above 49 with one team (Latias-Registeel-Garchomp). I focus(ed) on Super Doubles, the official tourneys are also doubles. I like doubles more, personally. Nonetheless, good to see you back.

Good luck in 2012 everyone!


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Nice update! Although I never really played the 4th gen facilities seriously (I was content to just get the gold symbols, which I eventually did), I do enjoy reading about everyone's experiences.

However, I do have one streak from 4th gen (I did this long before BW came out):

Platinum Battle Factory Singles (Lv 50): 58

I don't think people care much about the factory, mainly because it's a crapshoot, but I really love it. It's just great fun. It took me over a year of on again off again playing to get the symbol though, and then I decided to just keep going. I got to know the pokemon very well since I was using the same ones over and over again. It got to the point where I could figure out the exact moves the opponent ran, which helped me do better (doesn't stop hax and counter-team loses though).

Let's see if I can remember how this went:


I was carried through by this:

832 | Heracross | Jolly | Salac Berry | Megahorn | Earthquake | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe

This is insane... so long as the opponent has no priority users. Very easy to set up on the stupid AI and once Salac is eaten the opponent is at the mercy of a full-power Reversal and a Swarm-boosted Megahorn! Can't remember what else I used, but I don't think they did anything.


By sheer fluke I got the same Heracross! However, I rarely ever used it because the battles were easy and I didn't need to.

At one point I was using a lead Jolteon, but then I was told that the factory head was specialised in Ground types. I swapped it for an Ambipom. It's weak but it had Seed Bomb so it was better than Jolteon at least.

My team at the end:

665 | Ambipom | Adamant | Life Orb | Double Hit | Gunk Shot | Seed Bomb | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
849 | Gliscor | Adamant | Expert Belt | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | X-Scissor | Stone Edge | Atk/Def (I think it was this one?)
832 | Heracross | Jolly | Salac Berry | Megahorn | Earthquake | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe

The factory head's team:

427 | Donphan | Impish | Razor Claw | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Poison Jab | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
396 | Rhydon | Adamant | Passho Berry | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Crunch | Scary Face | Atk/Def
363 | Dugtrio | Jolly | Grip Claw | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Astonish | Sand Tomb | Atk/Spe

Good thing I dumped Jolteon. In fact, this team can't do anything the Gliscor really. As for the battle, Ambipom did less than 50% to Donphan before being OHKOed. Gliscor then spammed Earthquake while they did weak damage with their rock attacks. So yeah, this was easy but I was glad to get the symbol.


Got decent choices here. Ultimately went with Swampert/Drifblim/Ninetales. Drifblim was swapped for Gliscor, who in turn was swapped for Machamp. Final team:

359 | Swampert | Adamant | Shell Bell | Waterfall | Earthquake | Ice Punch | Protect | HP/Atk
843 | Machamp | Adamant | Quick Claw | Cross Chop | Earthquake | ThunderPunch | Fire Punch | HP/Atk
842 | Ninetales | Modest | Passho Berry | Flamethrower | Extrasensory | Energy Ball | Calm Mind | SpA/Spe

Swampert was a good lead because it was self-sufficient, and Protect was great for trying to figure out what set the opponent was running. Ninetales wasn't amazing but it was able to set up and sweep a few times (one example was when Swampert died to Torterra's Frenzy Plant). Machamp didn't do much but it saved me in one battle (I played badly against a Counter-Sash Houndoom I believe).


Choices were horrible! Went with Miltank/Yanmega/Bronzong. Yanmega was dumped for Moltres and Miltank left for Espeon when I found out the opponent was using fighting-types. The final team was:

455 | Espeon | Timid | Lum Berry | Psychic | Reflect | Calm Mind | Baton Pass | SpA/Spe
911 | Moltres | Timid | Heat Rock | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Hyper Beam | Sunny Day | HP/SpA
703 | Bronzong | Modest | Leftovers | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Charge Beam | Signal Beam | HP/SpA

Not my ideal team but it seemed ok given I was facing at least 2 fighting types. Espeon provided a fast Psychic, Moltres resisted fire and was just powerful in general and Bronzong, while weak, was bulky and had a super-effective STAB.

How I lost:

I send out Espeon, Battle Girl Mariane sends out Rapidash (-_-)
I use Reflect, Rapidash uses Flare Blitz for over 50% damage
I Psychic, Rapidash uses Flare Blitz, both of us are dead

I send out Moltres, Mariane sends out Gallade
I use Fire Blast (about 50% damage), Gallade uses Thunder Wave
Gallade uses Confuse Ray, I hurt myself
I withdraw Moltres for Bronzong, Gallade uses Brick Break (Reflect broken, 130hp left leftovers)
Gallade uses Brick Break (84hp with leftovers, I use Shadow Ball (Kasib Berry reduces damage so it doesn't do much)
Gallade uses Brick Break (38hp with leftovers, I use Shadow Ball, Gallade dead

Mariane sends out Machamp
Machamp uses Fire Punch, Bronzong dead

I send out (paralyzed) Moltres
Machamp uses Thunderpunch (69hp), I use Fire Blast (about 70% damage)
Machamp uses Thunderpunch, Moltres dead


Remember how I dumped Miltank? Bad choice seeing as it had Thick Fat! Wouldn't have done much against the rest of Mariane's team though. Probably shouldn't have let Espeon die like that (or even set up Reflect), but I though Psychic would be strong enough to finish Rapidash off. I also let Moltres get parafused, but I wasn't using moveset lists at the time so I had no idea it would do that. Meh...

I also have another good but not great doubles streak for 5th gen.

Subway Super Doubles: 89

Garchomp @ life orb
ivs: 31/31/31/x/31/31
evs: 0/252/0/0/4/252
stats: 183/182/115/90/106/169
Sand Veil

Rock Slide
Dragon Claw

Azelf @ focus sash
ivs: 31/x/31/31/31/31
evs: 4/0/0/252/0/252
stats: 151/122/90/177/90/183


Scizor @ steel gem
EVs: 252/252/0/0/0/6
Stats: 177/200/120/57/100/86

Bullet Punch
Bug Bite

Gyarados @ wacan berry
EVs: 0/252/0/0/4/252
Stats: 170/194/99/60/121/133

Ice Fang

Got the idea from ashez's team. Garchomp and Azelf are made for each other. The general strategy is to have Azelf hit something hard into Garchomp's KO range and then have Garchomp finish it off. I gave Garchomp life orb because it needs the power boost for its spread attacks. Azelf's Focus Sash saves it from Sucker Punch and other powerful attacks aiming for its poor defences. I use Taunt to stop Trick Room because the strategy is annoying to face (though I may try it out myself).

I didn't want to use Scizor AGAIN but it's too good to pass up. It covers my leads weaknesses, it can take a friendly fire Earthquake if necessary and it deals with Trick Room and Hail decently. However, I have to be careful when throwing out Earthquakes in Scizors presence though, as this battle shows:

Battle 39 vs Veteran Donta
Donta sends out Archeops and Leafeon, I send out Garchomp and Azelf

Archeops protects, Azelfs Thunderbolts Archeops (no effect), Garchomp Dragon Claws Leafeon to 60%, life orb recoil, Leafeon X-Scissors Azelf (29hp)

Leafeon activates quick claw to kill Azelf with Leaf Blade, Archeops Aerial Aces Garchomp to 98hp, Garchomp Dragon Claws Leafeon to 10%, life orb recoil

I send out Scizor

Archeops Protects, Leafeon Detects, neither of my attacks does anything

Scizor kill Archeops with Bullet Punch, Garchomp kills Leafeon with Dragon Claw, life orb recoil

Donta sends out Exeggutor and Vaporeon

Garchomp Earthquakes, crit on Scizor (dead, 4% chance of this occurring), Vaporeon at 40%, Exeggutor at 70%, Vaporeon kill Garchomp with Ice Beam, Exeggutor activates Trick Room

I send out Gyarados

Gyarados protects, neither opposing attack does anything

Exeggutor Zen Headbutts Gyarados, Vaporeon Ice Beams Gyarados, Gyarados Ice Fangs Exeggutor to 30%, Gyarados at 68hp after leftovers

Gyarados protects, neither opposing attack does anything

Exeggutor kills everyone with Explosion, I win because Exeggutor and Vaporeon faint before Gyarados does!

That battle was fairly ridiculous. Archeops and Leafeon toyed with me with Protect and Quick Claw. Next, Garchomp kills Scizor with a crit, allowing Exeggutor to Trick Room. Just when I thought I'd lost, Exeggutor Explodes and I win on a mere mechanics quirk. This battle did have me seriously considering re-eving Scizor though. 252hp/144att/108def/4speed guanrantees that it survives an Earthquake crit. However, given that it results in a significant power drop, along with the low chance of it occurring, I decided not to. I just try to avoid the situation.

I've tried to use Gyarados on teams before but was underwhelmed by it. However, its Ground immunity, resistances and intimidate are useful. Probably the most expendable team member, but it works.

Latios and Latias are the biggest threats to this team, though Legendary teams in general are annoying. One crit is all that's needed to end a streak (it has happened many times, once was a Draco Meteor crit on Garchomp from a -6 Latios, another was 2 consecutive Stone Edge crits from Terrakion).

I lost to a fighting team because I wasn't aware that Wide Guard continued to work even if the user died during the same turn. Meinshao used Wide Guard, Azelf killed it, Garchomp's Earthquake failed and it was all down hill from there.

Finally, I tried a sand team out with Stoutland instead of Excadrill, just to see how it would go:

Stoutland @ Choice Band
Wild Charge
Fire Fang
Ice Fang

It doesn't have much merit over Excadrill, who is much more powerful. However, CB Return hurts (I believe it OHKOs anything non-resistant with a defence rating of about 40 from twash's tables). Wild Charge is good for waters, Fire Fang is good for Bug/Steels and Ice Fang is good for Dragons, but Return is what you use the most. Stoutlands main issue is its lack of a powerful STAB spread move. I was using it as a lead though. Maybe it'll work better as a backup.

Well that post was long so I'll go now haha. I'm thinking of reviving my rain team, or maybe doing a trick room one. We'll see.
There two great pokes to start with, good luck :)

I haven't played for a while, my hinge has snaped so bit paranoid in using it. Getting a new shell etc soon so i'll be back then :)
I have not been playing a whole lot either. Just a set of 7 here and there.

I didn't follow through with my (slightly boring) Whimsicott-Uxie-Dragonite team either. I ended up randomly playing a few sets of 7 the past couple days and is sitting at 84 streak in Single Subway with this team:

Suicune / Pressure / Bold @ Leftovers
- Scald / Calm Mind / Substitute / Rest

Metagross / Clear Body / Jolly @ Life Orb
- Ice Punch / Earthquake / Bullet Punch / Explosion

Gliscor / Poison Heal / Impish @ Toxic Orb
- Toxic / Earthquake / Substitute / Protect

- The most awesome thing about this team is probably... that it was just totally slapped on quickly. It was just a matter of:
--> Suicune provides fire resistance for Metagross and ice and water resistance for Gliscor
--> Metagross provides ice resistance for Gliscor and Grass resistance for Suicune (though Suicune can take care of a whole lot of grass types by itself).
--> Gliscor provides ground immunity for Metagross and electric immunity for Suicune.

That said, team does horribly against Gengar that have thunderbolt... usually means either losing a pokemon or having 2 fairly hurt. I thought Ferrothorn would be a problem, but Suicune or Gliscor can usually actually stall it out of attack PP. And just to note... probably about 80%+ of the battles so far don't include Metagross. Suicune or Gliscor usually do the job. Sometimes I include it just to explode on opponent's last pokemon.

Anything that is susceptible to Toxic, not able to break Gliscor's sub, and does not have rest (quite a few in subway) means Gliscor will have a sub up against the opponent's next pokemon (which will also lose against Gliscor if it does not have rest and is susceptible to Toxic). So Gliscor single-handedly wins plenty of battles.

The last battle I had I still had all 3 pokemon vs opponent's last pokemon Claydol, and Gliscor was out in battle at 100% health poisoned. I figured it might be the Claydol with ice beam, but didn't really care. Toxic missed and Claydol indeed ice beams Gliscor for about 80%-ish damage. I could switch to Suicune or Metagross for a quick and easy battle (or even just let Gliscor faint for safe switch in), but I decided to just stall it out of ice beam PP with protect and sub, and then proceeded to Toxic it to death.

Another earlier battle involved double team Tornadus (Sub/Hurricane/Focus Blast/DT)... Gliscor Toxic missed 3 times before Tornadus decided to put up a Sub. Gliscor easily stalled it out of PPs (well, I actually switched Suicune in to pressure take the last 2 PPs of Focus Blast), and then Suicune set up for sweep.

I'm a bit surprised to see it go so far, but then again Suicune is amazing, and Gliscor makes a fairly good partner. I'll see how far this goes.

EDIT2: Currently at 112, still going.

EDIT: I just read the few posts above this one lol.
@Jumpman: Hahahaha, that was interesting. Yeah, U-Turn/Volt Switch/Explosions ... I'm not really sure how to deal with them with more confidence. Only thing I thought of was using a Rotom as my Tricker ... Maybe one of these days I'll try that. I did want to try out Mismagius again too. I was also thinking Rotom-Heat for U-Turn/Volt Switch as well as not locking opponent into ice moves for Dragonite. I dunno. I haven't been in the mood for using trick set up strategies lately so it might be a while.

@Peterko: Thanks for updating!

@atsync: Good job on the Factory! I have yet to get my 49 on it... Sort of makes me want to try it out again. It's just a bit hard to get back to Gen IV's slowness after being used to B/W.


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@Chinese Dood: Yeah agreed I'm never playing the 4th gen facilities again. As much as I love the factory, 4th gen just too slow and even haxier than the subway (and the subway can be pretty haxy). Fingers crossed that they'll redo the 3rd gen games and bring back Hoenn's frontier though!

U-turn/Volt Switch were annoying for my Whimsicott/Bisharp/Dragonite team too. They are part of the reason why I ran Stun Spore on my Whimsicott (well I was more concerned about Clear Body but whatever). At least then if they switched out they would still be crippled a bit for later on, and then I just hope that Bisharp or Dragonite can set up on what comes out next (collective they can set up on a lot of things anyway, and the type synergy allowed for switch-stalling sometimes, so it usually worked out). That doesn't really apply for your team (and Jumpman's) though. As for Explosion, it never proved to be that big of a deal for me. I've found that Explosion pokemon rarely use Explosion until they either are almost dead or have run out of moves to use (such as set up pokemon like Forretress 4) so I usually had enough time to set up enough to win anyway, particularly if I used Bisharp (it sets up so quickly).

So anyway I've decided to stick with Garchomp+Azelf for now. So far all of the teams losses are due to either hax or misplays rather than poor design (in my opinion anyway lol) so it should be able to go higher. I'll probably fool around with the backups at some point to see where improvements can be made.
I got a record of 203 in the Platinum Battle Hall with this pokemon:

Garchomp (M) @ Yache Berry / Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
IVs: 31 across the board
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang

Basically a simple Garchomp. I never actually used Stone Miss, even on the mons that were 4x weak to it, because I didn't want Stone Miss to, well, miss. I survived numurous close calls before finally losing at the hands of a Slowbro. Having beaten Slowbro previously on my streak, I thought this would be an easy win. I started off with Outrage, which did about 55%, however, this Slowbro had one thing the other had not, a Sitrus Berry. So yeah, the Sitrus Berry made me lose the match, as Slowbro easily took Chomp out with Ice Beam + Psychic. Couldn't 2HKO thanks to that retarded berry.

I will update with a photo once I get my hands on a camera.


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Having beaten Slowbro previously on my streak, I thought this would be an easy win. I started off with Outrage, which did about 55%, however, this Slowbro had one thing the other had not, a Sitrus Berry.
Are you sure you previously faced a Slowbro, and not a Slowking? To my knowledge, pokemon in the Battle Hall only have one move/item set, and for Slowbro, that one set includes a Sitrus Berry, while for Slowking, the item is a Leftovers.

I was so pleased when I made it all the way to 70 in the Super Singles Train and then, hoping to see how far I could make it past the benchmark, promptly lost battle #71.

Anyway my team at the time of the loss was, if I recall correctly:

Ferrothorn "Lord Ochu" @ Rocky Helmet
HP 252, SpecDef 252, Def 6

Leech Seed
Power Whip

Dragonite "Spathi" @ Leftovers
HP 204, Att 254, Def 52

Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance

Machamp "Hecaton" @ Lum Berry
HP 252, Att 252, Def 6
No Guard

Dynamic Punch
Bullet Punch
Ice Punch

My original idea for the team was to put Dragonite and Ferrothorn together. Not particularly creative on my part, but it seemed like a pretty solid idea. The immediate problem was that they both REALLY want Leftovers, which is probably why I didn't see any teams on the list that included both. Anyway, I opted to give Ferrothorn the Rocky Helmet for hilarious amounts of recoil when I switch him in to take a resisted physical hit.

Unfortunately, I completely forget how I lost. It was a while ago and I couldn't get my account to post until recently.

Since this streak, I've switched Machamp for a Minimizing Smeargle with Baton Pass and Substitute. I gave the Leftovers back to Ferrothorn and Machamp's Lum Berry to Dragonite and... It doesn't seem all that great, really. I'm not sure I'll get further than this with that.
My first try at a decent team got me a streak of 74 wins.

First, the team:

Darmanitan @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 252 attack, ~ 200 speed, the rest in other (Was in the party for a bit before I started EV training)
lvl 50 stats: 185/210/77/51/75/120
Flare Blitz
Rock Slide
Suicune @ Leftovers
IVs: 31/13/16/22/30/31
EVs: 252/0/238/0/0/20 (I guess I somehow put some EVs back in Pearl)
lvl 50 stats: 207/86/172/106/135/97
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
IVs: 29/29/4/20/31/31
EVs: 4/252/0/0/0/252
lvl 50 stats: 183/199/102/85/105/153
Stone Edge
Swords Dance

The strategy was fairly straightforward. Darmanitan would Flare Blitz if it hit neutrally, Flare Blitz if it was super effective, and Flare Blitz in most cases if it was resisted. Darmanitan is almost always good for a KO or two, and despite the Brave nature, 180 speed outpaces most of the Subway. Most of the problem Pokemon that outspeed it are electrics and easily handled by Garchomp. If there's a bulky water, I switch in Suicune, who sets up to +6/+6 and sweeps. Suicune is also commonly the target of U-turns against sturdy PKMN. Even with 4 def IV, it's pretty hard to kill. Garchomp is there to keep up the offensive pressure if Darmanitan is revenge killed. Yache allows Chomp to survive almost all ice attacks, sneak in a Swords Dance, and sweep. I started out using Toxic on Suicune, but switched to Ice Beam after I realized that my team had a distinct Jolly dragon weakness.

Proplem Pokes: Offensive Starmie (Switch to Suicune, pivot to Garchomp on the Thunderbolt, eat Ice Beam, KO with Outrage), Latia@s, Garchomp (Flare Blitz, eat Earthquake, send in Suicune for the 2HKO), Salamence (U-turn out of intimidate, pray Suicune can get the burn, and if it doesn't bring back Darmanitan to Rock Slide)

The loss: Gentleman Camus (Latias, Suicune, Landorus)
Turn 1: Darminatan U-Turns out into Suicune, who eats a Specs-boosted Draco Meteor to 51 HP (Latias in yellow)
Turn 2: Latias KOs Suicune with Draco Meteor. Switch in Darmanitan
Turn 3: Darmanitan KOs Latias with Flare Blitz (praying he doesn't have a bulky water). He sends out Suicune (!@#$)
Turn 4: Flare Blitz crits, triggers Sitrus Berry. Darmanitan gets KO'd by Hydro Pump. Send in Garchomp.
Turn 5: Garchomp Swords Dances, eats a Blizzard to 73 HP.
Turn 6: Garchomp KOs Suicune with Earthquake. (Praying his last guy is slow). He sends out Landorus (okay...)
Turn 7: Landorus KOs Garchomp with Earth Power.

If I would've kept Darmanitan in and taken the KO, Suicune could've set up against a weakened Draco Meteor, let Latias die to struggles, get to +6/+6 and beat Suicune, then 1HKO Landorus with Ice Beam.


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If I would've kept Darmanitan in and taken the KO, Suicune could've set up against a weakened Draco Meteor, let Latias die to struggles, get to +6/+6 and beat Suicune, then 1HKO Landorus with Ice Beam.
No fun losing a streak to a misplay, but if it makes you feel any better, you wouldn't have been able to OHKO Landrous, as Earth Power Landrous has a Focus Sash. Then again, at +6 special defense, Suicune would have been pretty strong against it, barring a crit.


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That was a tough loss Jump, even the best players often lose after a longer break due to misplay. I´m not sure if I ever play Subway Super Singles again, I mean I only got above 49 with one team (Latias-Registeel-Garchomp). I focus(ed) on Super Doubles, the official tourneys are also doubles. I like doubles more, personally. Nonetheless, good to see you back.
Yeah it's mainly tough because it was the perfect storm of annoyance, like I can confidently say that I don't lose that battle if I know that I don't currently have the record. Hell I don't even post about it, which is why my post is 100% believable and I don't need to post a proof pic (besides the obvious)—why would I:

1) not post in 4+ months (i have over 10% of the posts in the old thread)
2) lose after just four wins since I'd evidently started playing again (that team was 301-0 prior to me playing again)
3) post evidently immediately about a loss after just four wins since I'd evidently started playing again (again, that team was 301-0 prior to me playing again)
4) completely not acknowledge that my record had been broken
5) be completely unaware that my record had been broken almost two months prior
6) play in such an admitted, blatant "give no fuck" style only down by ~130 battles when I poured everything I had to improve upon and protect a Platinum streak that was at least 15 times farther behind (the difference between ~200 when I start caring and 2363)

Like, "no one does that" and is at all lying, especially not me (let's just say there are some frontier losses in like arcade and frontier I never posted about lol). 7) would be that I honestly don't think that ~Mercury's team is all that good so I wouldn't think ~130 more wins for me would ever be threatened by the current #1 again (mainly given my wealth of experience with very similar Suicune and Garchomp sets over literal generations from Emerald) but that's slightly disrespectful and another story altogether.

Oh well, I guess. Nonetheless, good to see you finally referring to me by name again (easier to do after I lose, huh :). It is good to be back, and very fun to actually care about team building again, which will always be much, much more fun to me than playing. In the last 4+ months I meant to "be back" and post about the dozens of teams I had entertained either in practice or extensive theorymon (which further annoys me since I'm more likely to have seen I wasn't the record holder but I think I mentioned that earlier). Your comment about not getting over 49 wins in singles with more than one team reminded me that many of my teams have been so fortunate to do so, which is why I'm posting now. I'm at 49 wins now with this team:

Salamence@Choice Band: Outrage/Fly/Earthquake/Fire Fang, Jolly, 4HP/252Atk/252Spe, Moxie
Swampert@Leftovers: Waterfall/Curse/Rest/Sleep Talk, Careful, 252HP/4Atk/252SpD, Torrent
Scizor@Metal Coat: Bullet Punch/Bug Bite/Swords Dance/Roost, Adamant, 244HP/252Atk/14Spe, Technician

Best thing about this is that it's another SSS team! (I swore by CB Sala/CM Cune/Curselax in Emerald). If you guys want you can critique the shit out of this (please do, nobody ever really "gets to" do this with my teams that are in progress), I actually only have 14 wins with this team but it's the first one I feel super solid about since my Latios/Suicune/Terrakion team.

It's also fun to actually 3-0 Ingo in three turns, something that no Starmie or Latios lead variants I've used have been able to do. Hax has Yache for Starmie and Latios EB Timid Surf only does 94% max to Exca and 101% max to Chandy, whereas if Ingo doesn't lead with Haxorus then Moxie Jolly CB Salamence EQ has a 76.25% chance to sweep outright because +1 CB EQ does 95-112% to Haxorus (and I don't care if I dont kill cause Scizor always beats it regardless of DD then Outrage and Hp/SpD Swampert always beats Chandy). Hell if Ingo leads with Chandy I have a 75% chance of sweeping because Outrage does 103% min, obviously OHKOs the Haxorus he'll invariably bring out next (AI sees it as a STAB Dragon "check") and regardless of confusion considerations CB +2 Jolly Sala Outrage does 101% min to 170Def Excadrill, lol.

A lot of words for a 14-win team but if I lose "relatively soon" with this team I'm using it again till I get tired of close calls and go with Whimsicott/Dragula/Mesprit (which is still unbeaten in my eyes :)
Pokemon Black Battle Subway Super Singles: 462 Streak

Here's the RMT.

Here's a list of some videos:

Battle 49: 33-29998-41626
Battle 204: 59-05657-24468
Battle 329: 23-05957-67861 YouTube Video
Battle 463: 26-39851-15353

Pic's a bit big, so..

Shuckle @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
IVs: 31/x/31/x/31/x
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD
Lv.50: 127/21/309/25/251/15
~ Rest
~ Power Split
~ Gastro Acid
~ Struggle Bug

Gastrodon @ Rindo Berry
Sassy Nature
IVs: 31/x/31/x/31/x
EVs: 252 HP/196 Def/60 SpD
Lv.50: 218/88/112/101/121/52
*Sticky Hold*
~ Flash
~ Recover
~ Bulldoze
~ Memento

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Sassy Nature
IVs: 31/24/31/x/31/x
EVs: 252 HP/252 SpD/6 Atk
Lv.50: 181/110/151/68/184/36
*Iron Barbs*
~ Curse
~ Gyro Ball
~ Substitute
~ Power Whip

How I Lost

Backpacker Cedric: Lilligant1/Nidoking1/Dugtrio1 ¬¬

Lilligant came out and Petal Danced. Shuckle Power Splits and KO's in
4 turns with Struggle Bug. This may have been my demise, as I could
have easily set up on her. >.> Nidoking comes out, Hones Claws and
I Power Split. He HC's again as I switch to Gastrodon. He Megahorn's
for more than half my HP and I Flash. He HC's again, I Flash again, and
he KO's with Megahorn. Shuckle comes in and gets a Rock Slide, I Power
Split, then switch to Ferrothorn as he Hones Claws. He Megahorn's, it
crits leaving me with 42 HP. I try to sub and can't, so I switch back to
Shuckle and Power Split again after taking a Megahorn. Ferro comes
back in and takes a Rock Slide, Megahorn crits for a KO. Shuckle gets a
Rock Slide crit and goes down.

I lost mainly due to sloppiness. There was no reason to KO Lilligant, I
should have let Ferrothorn set up on her, but I was in too much of a
hurry. The crit hax didn't help, but it could have been avoided.

I also posted this a while back, but I think it got missed

Battle Subway Super Singles: 137 Streak

It's big, so..
Original team posted on Serebii here.

Sorry for the enormity of my image /:

Battle Subway Super Singles: 137

Streak ended July 18th 2011

The battle video # is 91-83735-62531.

Politoed @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
~ Scald
~ Psychic
~ Ice Beam
~ Focus Blast

He gets the rain started and gets pretty decent coverage. Psychic is mainly for Toxicroak. I went with Scald only because of the chance to burn.

Ludicolo @ Muscle Band
Adamant Nature
252 HP/148 Spe/110 Atk
*Swift Swim*
~ Waterfall
~ Ice Punch
~ Seed Bomb
~ Swords Dance

I chose to max HP for some bulk, the Spe EV's beat all Accelgor in the rain and the rest were dumped into Atk.

Magnezone @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
~ Thunder
~ Substitute
~ Charge Beam
~ Flash Cannon

I've always been a fan of SubCharge Magnezone, so I figured what the hell. I got lazy when breeding so I just ended up using Flash Cannon. After losing I ended up breeding one with HP [Ice], so I will be starting another run sometime in the near future.

How I lost:

Worker Quinn- Gigalith 3/Claydol 2/Excadrill 3

Gigalith lead, Politoed hit him with Scald and he survived via Sturdy. Stone Edge hits, Custap activates and Stone Edge KO's Poli. Ludicolo comes in and SD's, Gigalith explodes, Ludi is KO'd. Magnezone Faces Claydol. Sub first and Claydol Sandstorms. I Flash Cannon, crit, Sitrus activates, and he uses Cosmic Power. FC hits, he CP's again. FC hits and he explodes. Zone vs Excadrill. I Sub, he EQ's and breaks it, I Flash Cannon and he KO's. No chance with Zone, stupid switch with Ludi, so lost due to sub-par playing. >_>


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lol 462 with Ferro as the only attacker? I don´t understand the world anymore...

Well, whatever, you posted proof so I have no choice but to add you in the next update. But seriously, you must´ve started the streak in like july or something, because a set of 7 with that team has to take ages.

Nonetheless, good to see you finally referring to me by name again (easier to do after I lose, huh :).
You-the-one-whose-name-shall-not-be-used :p, are you still mad at me for being dick...ish a year (or two?) ago after my insane record was broken in a "mine´s larger than yours by 3 video" fashion lol?

Well, I didn´t really understand what you were trying to say in that post, but if you imply that this time I updated the list just a few hours after you lost...let me just say that I planned to update the list on the 31st of December 2011 (also I´ve updated the gen.4 list which took 7 hours) and as far as I´m concerned, it was a coincidence that you posted that day.

As for Mercury´s record, I admit I don´t really understand how he got to 500+ with that, but I don´t care anymore...I mean not as much as to tell how my Suicune streak ended at like #30 to scarfchomp outrage CHs, or to find flaws in his team etc., there was proof so I just added him without any comments, whatsoever.

Now here´s another 400+ singles record out of nowhere and I´m like Okaaay, I´ve spent 800 hours on this game over 7 months and my best is 390 in doubles and people just pull 400s...but whatever.

As for which losses are more painful than others, let´s just say that only the player who lost feels the pain. Others might understand it a bit from their own experience, but claiming losses as the worst, leads nowhere ... I mean when I was doing 140-ish battles per day and lost at #251 with TerraCott due to misplay, I didn´t really understand how I did the mistake I did, when I played perfect 250 before that. I never got that high again with the team...shit happens in this game, quite a lot.

I´m not really sure what I wanted to say with this post lol, but peace man. Hope you beat those two and claim your well deserved #1 again soon. Good luck.

So...congrats to those amazing streaks you guys. Keep up the good work.
I don't get the Ferrothorn streak either. Good job anyway!

I lost my streak at 106 (so 105 streak) with my slapped on Gliscor/Suicune/Metagross team. Basically couldn't beat this pineapple:

776 | Ludicolo | Modest | Sitrus Berry | Fake Out | Hydro Pump | Leech Seed | Grass Knot | Spd/SpA

Grass Knot beats Suicune before it can set up. Gliscor cannot switch into any move safely. Metagross dislikes Hydro Pump and Leech Seed (and recall, my Metagross was Life Orb with Ice Punch / EQ / Explosion / Bullet Punch ... it doesn't do that well against Ludicolo). So yeah, I tried to juggle around but couldn't quite get things going. Plenty of misplays, but really my best chance of winning was probably just switching Metagross in to explode, which... also means this team sucks badly against Ludicolo that has both water and grass moves. If it's the Ludicolo with Protect, then Metagross could possibly have just exploded in vain, but also means a much easier time for Gliscor since that one does not have water move.

EDIT: O yeah, team was:

Gliscor / Poison Heal / Impish @ Toxic Orb
- Flawless IVs, mostly HP and Defense EVs, some Sp Def
- Protect / EQ / Sub / Toxic

Metagross / Clear Body / Jolly @ Life Orb
- 31 / 31 / 30 / 1 / 29 / 31 or something like that (one of the Pokewalker RNG spreads), 4 HP 252 Attack 252 Speed
- Ice Punch / Bullet Punch / EQ / Explosion

Suicune / Pressure / Bold @ Leftovers
- 31 / x / 31 / 30 / 31 / 31 (HP Grass Flawless), something like 236 HP 252 Def 16 SpA 4 Speed
- Scald / Sub / Rest / Calm Mind

I lead sometimes with Gliscor, sometimes with Suicune. Doesn't seem to make much difference.

Anyway... @Peterko, if you want, maybe on the next update you can just remove all my streaks that are below 100 wins, so it won't be so bulky? :P I don't mind either way, but just in case it's sort of getting too big of a list, since it's obviously not getting any smaller otherwise.
lol 462 with Ferro as the only attacker? I don´t understand the world anymore...

Well, whatever, you posted proof so I have no choice but to add you in the next update. But seriously, you must´ve started the streak in like july or something, because a set of 7 with that team has to take ages.
I actually started in mid August, and yea, it could take forever sometimes. I've had battles go for +30 minutes. I went overseas for Xmas, so I had a collective of 33 hours on a plane, so I got a lot done then. Thanks dude.

It basically came down to either me losing my mind from not being able to move or play the shit outta some Pokemon, I chose the latter.
I can't believe that it has already been almost four months since I posted my Trick team that I lost with just a few days after posting. In those four months, my previous record has slipped from 10th to 15th, and I was disappointed with that position in the first place. It's pretty close up in that range, and I guess that streak helped as a sighter, learning a lot about the Subway and how it works.

Anyway, this is the team I have used so far in my second Singles streak. I did do a Doubles streak in between these runs but I will probably post that some other time, if at all (it didn't do amazingly well, lost the 101st battle).

Plans (Machamp) @ Focus Sash
Trait: No Guard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- DynamicPunch
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Punch
- Ice Punch

Machamp! My strong physical attacker that I lead with to potentially get early guaranteed kills. If I can't kill without being damaged, I will switch out (unless it is something that Machamp really needs to take out, which is rare). Although I probably switch out 75%+ of the time on the first turn, it is still worth leading with Machamp. This is because switching to Chansey/Zapdos is generally quite a safe move, but if I led with Chansey and had a poor turn one matchup, switching directly to Machamp and losing his Focus Sash would often put me on the back foot for the whole match. That is also why Machamp has 252 Speed EVs—to broaden the amount of things he can take out early on. Those Speed EVs also come in handy if I need to rely on that frankly awesome 50% confusion chance. I can't deny that it has turned a few matches from close to comfortable.

The moveset choice is quite obvious and takes advantage of No Guard by having DynamicPunch and Stone Edge, while Bullet Punch finishes things off to save Machamp or his Focus Sash. Ice Punch is over Payback because of Gliscor, Garchomp, and Torterra. It is also helpful in some other cases, such as against Venusaur. Payback would still be better for the Latis and some other bulky Psychics/Ghosts, but generally they are either too frail to cope with Stone Edge, or too slow to be hit for double power (and so Stone Edge is a better move with the critical hit chance). I find that the team copes with these types very well regardless of this move choice, so I am happy to stick by it.

Machamp will often get an early kill and then sit out the rest of the match, whereas other times he will switch out early and come in handy later on with his Focus Sash. The most important thing is to not waste the Sash, it can often turn out to be vital later on, and wasting it to get an early lead often turns out to be a poor choice.

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Witchcraft (Chansey) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 236 SDef / 20 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Substitute

Chansey walls a ridiculous amount of Pokemon. The moveset choice is tailored towards abusing her massive bulk. Substitute is in the fourth slot to help her cope with recharge attackers, Swagger, Flatter, general status, critical hits, Trick, Switcheroo, OHKO moves, Explosion, and Mean Look. It also gives me a safeguard against the opponent's next Pokemon once one faints, and can help Toxic stall. Her Substitutes are so tough that even Glaceon's Blizzard will fail to break them, which is flat out incredible.

Not being able to touch Gengar is pretty frustrating, but Substitute has been so useful that I doubt if I could ever switch to something like Shadow Ball or Psychic.

Satellite (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Protect
- Roost
- Thunderbolt

Zapdos is designed to PP stall me out of tough situations, and I have to admit I completely underestimated how useful and effective this set would be. Protect, Substitute, and Pressure is a stunning combination that allows Zapdos to wear out so many opponents. It's Speed and general bulk is backed up by a powerful STAB Thunderbolt, which really does make Zapdos one electric bird.

Chansey's insane bulk undeniably wins me most of my matches, but it is Zapdos that tends to steal the limelight in close battles. Sure, sometimes I wish I had Toxic, Heat Wave, or Hidden Power instead of Protect. Zapdos does still help against Ground-types though, and the simple fact is I adore the ability to just waste attacks and then heal up. It's important to mention that when those attacks are wasted, I will often get the opportunity to also heal up Chansey to really put me in firm control of the battle.

Zapdos is huge in outstalling those 2 attacks/stat-up/Rest Pokemon, and helps me win those battles. It is vital to keep track of how much attacking PP has been wasted, so I know when I can just switch in and out to waste PP. It is also imperative to keep enough Substitute PP to deal with Cursers who are hitting hard with those +6 Struggles.

Protect is also helpful against Custap abusers, as well as Salac users who are taking heavy damage from poison. It also helps if I need to juggle between two Pokemon to stall PP (by luring the specific attack and taking no damage with Protect Zapdos, I can remove 3PP over the switch in/out period, instead of 1PP).

There have been some problems, and several close calls. I certainly would have lost to the Wacan Gyarados if the AI did not play it so poorly. Gyarados should have KOed me and won the game, but instead used Dragon Dance, allowing Zapdos to get up a Substitute and PP stall for the match. For sure, Gyarados is one of the biggest threats. Another problem is Rapidash, who is faster than Zapdos and has a strong Flare Blitz to boot (and Horn Drill, in one case). Haxorus and Gallade are probably next on the annoying list, with Feraligatr, Flygon, Aerodactyl, Nidoking, Infernape, Arcanine, and Scope Lens Sceptile in there somewhere too. There are quite a few more "annoying" threats, but these guys tend to straight up damage my team.

Tbh, I had no problem whatsoever until I got close to the 100 mark, where there seemed to be a large increase in the probability of the AI having problematic Pokemon. I had to leave Machamp in to get important early KOes far more often, which always makes me play the rest of the match slightly on-edge.

The AI also acted weird in the situations that it was (almost) certain to win. The aforementioned Gyarados situation is the first example, but it also happened against Dragon Dance EB Salamence. Salamence was at +4 with Machamp and Zapdos out of the way, with no Rock Slide or Dragon Claw PP left. Salamence proceeded to Dragon Dance twice against Chansey while I used Toxic and Substitute, allowing me to win the game from there. Interestingly that was actually in the 225th battle, so the pretty lucky victory was sweeter as it meant I could still clamber into sixth spot with another two wins (as opposed to being in eighth). In matches where the AI was unlikely to win, they seemed to play far more predictably and pattern like—I noticed Exeggutor would barely ever use Explosion on Chansey, but would almost always use it against Zapdos on its first chance (provided Trick Room was already up). With a kind of "bulky" team like this, little things like that really have helped deal with several Pokemon.

Currently the streak stands at 231 and I wanted to post it now as I don't know how much time I will have after this upcoming week. I will try to continue it as much as I can this week, and see what happens.

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