Project Break My Team [Cycle #24] [SS]

Do you like the idea of challenges for BMT?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 76.2%
  • No

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Could be good with adjustments (lmk on cord)

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Total voters
    42
Fun (Jirachi) @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Iron Head
- Zen Headbutt
- Thunder Punch
- Trick

Heracross-Mega:
252+ Atk Jirachi Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 212-252 (58.4 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Jirachi Zen Headbutt vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 144-170 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Overall: 98.0 - 116.2 % so you usually 2HKO after Bulk Up.
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 290-345 (85 - 101.1%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO

Kyurem-Black:
252+ Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 240-284 (61.3 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 146-172 (42.8 - 50.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO

Empoleon:
Trick T1 and then TPunch twice. You outspeed after Trick and they can only Hydro Cannon once in 2 turns.
252+ Atk Jirachi Thunder Punch vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 168-198 (48 - 56.5%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 241-285 (70.6 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 

Sanshokuinsumireko

I got the baddest bitches in anime
I'm basic so :^(

Volcanion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Overheat


Mega hera gets one shot and outspeeds the normal.

It tanks then kills kyub
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 250-296 (82.7 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 424-501 (108.4 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Empoleon dies or gets two shoted and can't do anything back
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Overheat vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 348-409 (99.4 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
 

Sanshokuinsumireko

I got the baddest bitches in anime
Rip I'm still basic :(

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 148 Atk / 184 Def / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Superpower

it one/two shots hera and tanks what ever it does

(If bulk up turn one)
+1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 184 Def Azumarill: 200-236 (58.6 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
148+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 278-330 (76.5 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if not bulk up turn one
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 184 Def Azumarill: 134-158 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
148+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 416-492 (114.6 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

empoleon gets one/two shoted depending if it wants to endure also it outspeeds
148+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Superpower vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 464-546 (132.5 - 156%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it survives bolt then kills back with playing rough somewhere
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 184 Def Azumarill: 286-338 (83.8 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
148+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 468-552 (119.6 - 141.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

also can someone tell me how to make this stuff click to expand?
 

Gallade @ Galladite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt

-> 252+ Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 356-422 (101.7 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-> 252+ Atk Gallade-Mega Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 438-516 (120.6 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-> 252+ Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 354-416 (90.5 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
As much as it pains me to diss my baby Mega Gallade, Kyurem-B can outspeed it since it's holding a Choice Scarf, and have a 87.5% chance of OHKOing!

252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gallade-Mega: 274-324 (98.5 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
 

IBM

Banned deucer.
Scizor with 60 evs

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 60 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Substitute

252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor-Mega: 110-130 (39.1 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 204-240 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Outspeed, use Acrobatics t1 then bullet punch
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor-Mega: 205-243 (72.9 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 328-388 (90.3 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
0+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 90-106 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO

If heracross doesn’t mega t1 and uses bulk up:

0+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 316-372 (87 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Then they mega to try to rank bullet punch

0+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 60-72 (16.5 - 19.8%) -- possible 6HKO

But it isn’t enough

Sub and win
 

IBM

Banned deucer.
Clefable


Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Calm Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunderbolt

=> 252+ SpA Empoleon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 172+ SpD Clefable: 216-254 (54.8 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers best move. CM + TBolt.

=> CM + Moonblast.

=> 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Clefable: 170-201 (43.1 - 51%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers best move for KyuB. CM + Moonblast.
Clefable speed: 156
Empoleon speed: 179
Empoleon outspeeds and 3HKOs if you calm mind t1
+1 0 SpA Clefable Thunderbolt vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 184-218 (52.5 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Clefable speed: 156
Heracross speed: 200
Heracross outspeeds and 2hkos
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Clefable: 225-265 (57.1 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Kyurem Black has iron head
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Clefable: 272-322 (69 - 81.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Score: 0/3
 

Cantius

I COULD BE BANNED!
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 286-337 (69 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 192-226 (46.3 - 54.5%) -- 57.4% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Fire Punch vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 254-300 (69.9 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Heracross is going to outspeed and 2HKO you regardless of what you do.
 

Sanshokuinsumireko

I got the baddest bitches in anime
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 340-402 (82.1 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Drain + Mach.

If the empoleon yawn's turn one then endures it kills with torrent boosted hydro cannon

252+ SpA Torrent Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Conkeldurr: 513-604 (123.9 - 145.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

edits:
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 318-374 (90.8 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

so in theory you have a loseing chance with this match up
 

Ehmcee

A Spoopy Ghost
is a Pre-Contributor
Hi, I'm new to the forum, I hope we are friends. I will try to do well with my humble contribution.

Medicham-Mega @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Def / 24 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Bullet Punch

Empo; hjk.
Heracross; 220 vs 222 speed zen.
Kyub: protect + hjk.
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 40 HP / 192 Def Medicham-Mega: 246-289 (90.7 - 106.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
 
here's to having focus blast hit

:keldeo:
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 228 Def / 188 SpA
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Focus Blast
Mega Heracross:
If Mega Heracross Close Combats turn one, it can't take the second Focus Blast from Keldeo.
(bullet points in order of how the battle would go)

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 175-207 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 219-258 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Keldeo: 39.9% + 60.3% = 100.2%

If Mega Heracross chooses to Earthquake turn one, evading the Special Defense drop from alternatively using Close Combat, you're able to take those hits and retaliate back.

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 97-115 (30 - 35.6%) -- 30.8% chance to 3HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 175-207 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 219-258 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • OR if they use Earthquake instead of Close Combat again, you will still KO.
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 97-115 (30 - 35.6%) -- 30.8% chance to 3HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Keldeo: 39.9% + 39.9% + 71% = 150.8% / 39.9% + 39.9% + 39.9% = 119.7%

Kyurem-B:
Keldeo can take Kyurem-B's most powerful move, Fusion Bolt, and retaliate with a Focus Blast for a OHKO.

  • 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 254-300 (78.6 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 678-800 (173.4 - 204.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Empoleon:
Keldeo outspeeds Empoleon and easily OHKOs it with Focus Blast.

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 554-654 (158.2 - 186.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My Rambling:

Honestly I think we should change the rules for accuracy... Look at how unfair this can be in certain circumstances.

This means you could be using a move like Dynamic Punch over eight turns and it'll still be counted as winning. It doesn't seem right. What do you guys think? Should I change this rule to be similar to the rolls rule, go stricter on misses, or something else?
Personally, I would prefer an overall win chance requirement.
 

ggopw

Banned deucer.
pqs def go stricter on misses dpunch is a good example of it being abused.

might as well use this post for my submission

I was going through my old builder that I found recently and noticed the number of defensive kyurems, I believe DEG popularized it but its been years so I'm not exactly sure, anyhow that thing was really a menace during oras ladder days and coincidentally one of the sets 3 0es this team

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Kyurem-Black @ Choice Band
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Fly
- Earth Power - filler
hera
0 Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fly vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 364-432 (100.2 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO
speed pre mega 220 kyurem speed 230

kyurem
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Kyurem-Black: 380-450 (84.2 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 614-726 (157 - 185.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

empoleon
0 Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 382-450 (109.1 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO


edit: yes I really had to add fly because dom gave me different ev spreads than ones in the post + more heat this way.
 
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here's to having focus blast hit

:keldeo:
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 228 Def / 188 SpA
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Focus Blast
Mega Heracross:
If Mega Heracross Close Combats turn one, it can't take the second Focus Blast from Keldeo.
(bullet points in order of how the battle would go)

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 175-207 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 219-258 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Keldeo: 39.9% + 60.3% = 100.2%

If Mega Heracross chooses to Earthquake turn one, evading the Special Defense drop from alternatively using Close Combat, you're able to take those hits and retaliate back.

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 97-115 (30 - 35.6%) -- 30.8% chance to 3HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 175-207 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 219-258 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • OR if they use Earthquake instead of Close Combat again, you will still KO.
  • 204+ Atk Heracross Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 97-115 (30 - 35.6%) -- 30.8% chance to 3HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 145-171 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Keldeo: 39.9% + 39.9% + 71% = 150.8% / 39.9% + 39.9% + 39.9% = 119.7%

Kyurem-B:
Keldeo can take Kyurem-B's most powerful move, Fusion Bolt, and retaliate with a Focus Blast for a OHKO.

  • 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 228 Def Keldeo: 254-300 (78.6 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 678-800 (173.4 - 204.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Empoleon:
Keldeo outspeeds Empoleon and easily OHKOs it with Focus Blast.

  • 188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 554-654 (158.2 - 186.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My Rambling:

Honestly I think we should change the rules for accuracy... Look at how unfair this can be in certain circumstances.

This means you could be using a move like Dynamic Punch over eight turns and it'll still be counted as winning. It doesn't seem right. What do you guys think? Should I change this rule to be similar to the rolls rule, go stricter on misses, or something else?
Alright, first, your calcs are with regular Heracross, not Mega-Heracross.
188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 134-158 (36.9 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
188 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Focus Blast vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 201-237 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Second, your strategy for defeating Mega-Heracross also requires hitting Focus Blast twice in a row, which makes the chances hitting it twice over the course of two turns less than 70%, making it invalid, at least, if i understand the rule correctly.

Third, if you only need to hit one Dynamic Punch to reliably win and have the bulk required to withstand the opponents attacks over the number of turns needed to make the chance of it hitting once more than 70%, that seems perfectly fine to me. Unless i am missing something.
 

zxgzxg

scrabble
is a Forum Moderator
Cross; bounce
252+ Atk Hitmonlee Bounce vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 488-576 (134.4 - 158.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Can't Hera bulk up T1 and then CC after it gets hit?

Answer: yes
252+ Atk Hitmonlee Bounce vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 228-272 (62.8 - 74.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Hitmonlee: 763-898 (316.5 - 372.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Also you calced for normal Heracross not mega
 

Cantius

I COULD BE BANNED!
I'm supposed to be new and I have to be credible. in any case, that is the impression they have given me that they still get bored at home. No need to calculate anything, gross is viable and breaks like Hitmonlee. but of course here they calculate up to increased attack or defense.
If you want to be credible, you need to provide proof. There are two facets to this. First, you have to describe the sequence of moves your counter needs to beat each Pokemon on the team featured to be broken this week; this may include different responses to each line of play the team has. Second, you have to provide calculations to prove the moves do work unless they are very obvious (like Mega Charizard X's Flare Blitz OHKOing Ferrothorn). The burden of proof to show the counter really beats the team is on the team breaker. Others will point out the mistakes you did not catch. Even if multiple people are actively pointing out your mistakes, it is still your burden to provide the framework of proof.

Break my team means break the team. You have to consider multiple lines of play the opponent can have. If the opponent has a line of play with a tossup (about 50/50) chance of beating your team, you have not broken the team. If there is a line of play that beats your counter, you have not broken the team. Breaking a team is not intended to be very easy. Good teambuilders volunteer to provide their teams for this project. No team is perfect and unbreakable, but you should not expect to look at the top of Viability Rankings and instantly find common sets to beat the team. You might need to experiment with more gimmicky or obscure sets to viable Pokemon. Alternatively, you can look toward the bottom of the Viability Rankings for niche Pokemon that might break the team, or even Pokemon Showdown's teambuilder for unviable Pokemon.
 

zxgzxg

scrabble
is a Forum Moderator
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Magneton @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 20 SpA / 180 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt

Who needs all those stupid EVs anyways? And flying moves? Pfft.
Kyurem-B
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magneton: 137-162 (56.8 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
20+ SpA Choice Specs Magneton Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 410-486 (104.8 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mag tanks every move, Flash Cannon KOs

Empoleon
20+ SpA Choice Specs Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 378-446 (108 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Mag outspeeds and KOs

Heracross-Mega
20+ SpA Choice Specs Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 183-216 (50.4 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magneton: 572-674 (237.3 - 279.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magneton: 90-108 (37.3 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magneton: 60-72 (24.8 - 29.8%) -- approx. 100% chance to 4HKO

Mag outspeeds and 2HKOs. CC can't kill cuz Sturdy
 
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zxgzxg

scrabble
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Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Serious Nature
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 200 SpA
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power Flying

Nature is Serious cuz Mag is a serious threat
Kyurem-B
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 117-138 (41.6 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 458-542 (117.1 - 138.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Nothing KOs mag, Mag KOs w/ Flash Cannon

Empoleon
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 262-310 (93.2 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
200 SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 422-498 (120.5 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If Empoleon uses:
Yawn - OHKOed by T-bolt
Endure - Lives, +1 SpA boost
Hydro Cannon (w/ or w/out Petaya boost) - Mag lives cuz Sturdy, OHKOed by T-bolt
Flash Cannon - Mag lives cuz 4x resist, OHKOed by T-bolt

Heracross
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 488-576 (173.6 - 204.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 125-150 (44.4 - 53.3%) -- approx. 16.4% chance to 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 85-100 (30.2 - 35.5%) -- approx. 23.8% chance to 3HKO
200 SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Hidden Power Flying vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 364-432 (100.2 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mag lives everything cuz resists or Sturdy, OHKOs w/ HP Flying
 
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Sanshokuinsumireko

I got the baddest bitches in anime
I hope nobody took this mon :(

Typhlosion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 224 Def / 252 SpA / 32 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blast Burn
- Eruption

vs Kyub it survives rageing out and kills back with blast burn

252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 224 Def Typhlosion: 250-295 (84.1 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 433-511 (110.7 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs m hera it outspeeds reg hera and kills with eruption
236 vs 220
252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 684-806 (188.4 - 222%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs empoleon it outspeeds and kills with eruption
252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 354-417 (101.1 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Alright so while COVID-19 is tearing through my fucking life why don't I do this while I'm waiting
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Klefki Sucks Ryy (Scrafty) @ Chople Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
Lonely Nature
IVs: 0 Def
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Rock Tomb
- Counter

So basically the set is just you want to counter the two physical mons while also channeling your physical mon to obliterate whatever the fuck Empoleon does :)

Heracross:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 151-178 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Scrafty Rock Tomb vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 107-126 (29.4 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 282-334 (77.6 - 92%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Scrafty using Rock Tomb, assuming it lands, into Zen Headbutt, also assuming it lands, will always guarantee a KO.

Heracross-Mega:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 204-241 (75.2 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Heracross Mega being an explosive beast outputs enough damage to where Chople is needed but without a negative defense nature,
Scrafty is unable to use Counter to full efficiency and OHKO.

Kyurem-Black:
-1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Scrafty: 196-232 (72.3 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Same thing for Heracross Mega but on top we are giving 0 IVs into defense for Scrafty because im lazy and want counter to OHKO

Empoleon:
252+ Atk Scrafty High Jump Kick vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 404-476 (115.4 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I ran speed invest to beat this thing so I dont expect much from Endure + Petaya


PS: Hope everyone is living the life with Corona around, my regards to anyone who has lost people due to the virus, also fuck klefki ryy you can go suck one.
 

IBM

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Alright so while COVID-19 is tearing through my fucking life why don't I do this while I'm waiting
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Klefki Sucks Ryy (Scrafty) @ Chople Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
Lonely Nature
IVs: 0 Def
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Rock Tomb
- Counter

So basically the set is just you want to counter the two physical mons while also channeling your physical mon to obliterate whatever the fuck Empoleon does :)

Heracross:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 151-178 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Scrafty Rock Tomb vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 107-126 (29.4 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 282-334 (77.6 - 92%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Scrafty using Rock Tomb, assuming it lands, into Zen Headbutt, also assuming it lands, will always guarantee a KO.

Heracross-Mega:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 204-241 (75.2 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Heracross Mega being an explosive beast outputs enough damage to where Chople is needed but without a negative defense nature,
Scrafty is unable to use Counter to full efficiency and OHKO.

Kyurem-Black:
-1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Scrafty: 196-232 (72.3 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Same thing for Heracross Mega but on top we are giving 0 IVs into defense for Scrafty because im lazy and want counter to OHKO

Empoleon:
252+ Atk Scrafty High Jump Kick vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 404-476 (115.4 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I ran speed invest to beat this thing so I dont expect much from Endure + Petaya


PS: Hope everyone is living the life with Corona around, my regards to anyone who has lost people due to the virus, also fuck klefki ryy you can go suck one.
Heracross can mega, pin missile t1, then cc (Or whatever really) to kill. Or heracross could bulk up t1 as non mega then mega and kill with close combat the next turn. The heracross matchup you stated also includes 2 possible t1 decisions (Counter or rock tomb), which makes your matchup a 50/50 anyway.

252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 134-158 (36.9 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

-1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Scrafty: 215-260 (79.3 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 126-150 (34.7 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
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IBM

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And finally...
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Magnemite @ Eviolite
Timid Nature
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 64 HP / 244 Def / 228 Spe
- Flash Cannon
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Flying
Before we begin, I'd like to thank the 87.5% rule

Kyurem-Black
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 64 HP / 244 Def Eviolite Magnemite: 87-103 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 61-72 (29.4 - 34.7%) -- 15.7% chance to 3HKO
76 SpA Magnemite Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 218-258 (55.7 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nothing 2HKOs Mag, Mag 2HKOs w/ Flash Cannon

Empoleon
76 SpA Magnemite Thunderbolt vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 200-236 (57.1 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 261-307 (126 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Flash Cannon vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 34-41 (16.4 - 19.8%) -- possible 6HKO

Sub up T1, only T-bolt if behind a sub or Emp is recharging
Mag outspeeds btw

Heracross-Mega
76 SpA Magnemite Hidden Power Flying vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 176-208 (48.4 - 57.3%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO > 87.5%
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 64 HP / 244 Def Eviolite Magnemite: 95-115 (45.8 - 55.5%) -- approx. 68.4% chance to 2HKO

Mag outspeeds and 2HKO's w/ HP Flying. Mag lives CC cuz of Sturdy

The Mags have been completed, thus my spirit is now complete. I have reached true bliss.
Sadly...

Your set paste uses 64 Hp /244 Def / 228 Spe
But your calcs use 76 SpA
64+76+244+228 = 612 total evs - Invalid

It’s a lot better of a look if you don’t try to cheat evs to get your lc mons to work :blobthumbsup:

Bonus invalidation!

Mag speed: 200
Heracross speed before mega: 220

Heracross doesn’t mega and uses close combat twice.


76 SpA Magnemite Hidden Power Flying vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 284-336 (78.2 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 

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