Project Break My Team [Cycle #18] [BW]

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Alright so while COVID-19 is tearing through my fucking life why don't I do this while I'm waiting
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Klefki Sucks Ryy (Scrafty) @ Chople Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
Lonely Nature
IVs: 0 Def
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Rock Tomb
- Counter

So basically the set is just you want to counter the two physical mons while also channeling your physical mon to obliterate whatever the fuck Empoleon does :)

Heracross:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 151-178 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Scrafty Rock Tomb vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 107-126 (29.4 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. -1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 282-334 (77.6 - 92%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Scrafty using Rock Tomb, assuming it lands, into Zen Headbutt, also assuming it lands, will always guarantee a KO.

Heracross-Mega:
-1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Scrafty: 204-241 (75.2 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Heracross Mega being an explosive beast outputs enough damage to where Chople is needed but without a negative defense nature,
Scrafty is unable to use Counter to full efficiency and OHKO.

Kyurem-Black:
-1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Scrafty: 196-232 (72.3 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Same thing for Heracross Mega but on top we are giving 0 IVs into defense for Scrafty because im lazy and want counter to OHKO

Empoleon:
252+ Atk Scrafty High Jump Kick vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 404-476 (115.4 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I ran speed invest to beat this thing so I dont expect much from Endure + Petaya


PS: Hope everyone is living the life with Corona around, my regards to anyone who has lost people due to the virus, also fuck klefki ryy you can go suck one.
Heracross can mega, pin missile t1, then cc (Or whatever really) to kill. Or heracross could bulk up t1 as non mega then mega and kill with close combat the next turn. The heracross matchup you stated also includes 2 possible t1 decisions (Counter or rock tomb), which makes your matchup a 50/50 anyway.

252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross-Mega: 134-158 (36.9 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

-1 204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Scrafty: 215-260 (79.3 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Scrafty Zen Headbutt vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 126-150 (34.7 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
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Magnemite @ Eviolite
Timid Nature
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 64 HP / 244 Def / 228 Spe
- Flash Cannon
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Flying
Before we begin, I'd like to thank the 87.5% rule

Kyurem-Black
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 64 HP / 244 Def Eviolite Magnemite: 87-103 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 61-72 (29.4 - 34.7%) -- 15.7% chance to 3HKO
76 SpA Magnemite Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 218-258 (55.7 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nothing 2HKOs Mag, Mag 2HKOs w/ Flash Cannon

Empoleon
76 SpA Magnemite Thunderbolt vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 200-236 (57.1 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 261-307 (126 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Flash Cannon vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magnemite: 34-41 (16.4 - 19.8%) -- possible 6HKO

Sub up T1, only T-bolt if behind a sub or Emp is recharging
Mag outspeeds btw

Heracross-Mega
76 SpA Magnemite Hidden Power Flying vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 176-208 (48.4 - 57.3%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO > 87.5%
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 64 HP / 244 Def Eviolite Magnemite: 95-115 (45.8 - 55.5%) -- approx. 68.4% chance to 2HKO

Mag outspeeds and 2HKO's w/ HP Flying. Mag lives CC cuz of Sturdy

The Mags have been completed, thus my spirit is now complete. I have reached true bliss.
Sadly...

Your set paste uses 64 Hp /244 Def / 228 Spe
But your calcs use 76 SpA
64+76+244+228 = 612 total evs - Invalid

It’s a lot better of a look if you don’t try to cheat evs to get your lc mons to work :blobthumbsup:

Bonus invalidation!

Mag speed: 200
Heracross speed before mega: 220

Heracross doesn’t mega and uses close combat twice.


76 SpA Magnemite Hidden Power Flying vs. -1 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 284-336 (78.2 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
A moment of silence for Magnemite, who, as hard as he tried, could not break this team and join his brothers.

Either way, here's another set:
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Combusken @ Eviolite
Timid Nature
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 40 HP / 132 Def / 208 Spe / 96 SpD
- Protect
- Substitute
- Focus Blast
- Fire Blast
Moves with at least 70% accuracy over the number of turns needed will always count as hitting.
Nice

Kyurem-Black
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 40 HP / 132 Def Eviolite Combusken: 220-259 (81.1 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Combusken Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-Black: 276-326 (70.5 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Protect, Focus Blast, Focus Blast
Combusken tanks one Outrage is faster by the 2nd Focus Blast

Empoleon
0 SpA Combusken Focus Blast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Empoleon: 224-266 (64 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Hydro Cannon vs. 40 HP / 96 SpD Eviolite Combusken: 422-498 (155.7 - 183.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Empoleon Flash Cannon vs. 40 HP / 96 SpD Eviolite Combusken: 56-66 (20.6 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

Sub T1, only Focus Blast if behind a sub or Empoleon is recharging. Flash Cannon cannot break the sub

Heracross-Mega
0 SpA Combusken Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 200-236 (55 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Close Combat vs. 40 HP / 132 Def Eviolite Combusken: 229-270 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 40 HP / 132 Def Eviolite Combusken: 165-195 (60.8 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Spam Fire Blast. If Hera doesn't mega, Combusken will be faster by T2
 
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Jellicent @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Acid Armor
- Recover
- Night Shade


vs kyub
252+ Atk Kyurem Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 216-256 (53.4 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 134-158 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

the only roll u can get to 2hko pops the berry :drool:

vs mhera
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 175-210 (43.3 - 51.9%) -- approx. 5.1% chance to 2HKO
204+ Atk Heracross-Mega Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 90-110 (22.2 - 27.2%) -- approx. 19.2% chance to 4HKO

vs empo
flash does poo poo

Overall thoughts:
I feel like this mon is really slept on in 1v1 in general but i dont write analyses so try it out urself and ull find whyits viable.
 
The fifth BMT cycle is over, with ggopw's Kyurem-Black post winning a spot in the hall of fame!

This next team, in BW, is by both LittleRunnerXC and AltCauseImInsecure. This cycle will last until April 6th.

Shaymin @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Protect
- Seed Flare

Rhyperior @ Custap Berry
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Atk / 36 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Rock Wrecker
- Earthquake
- Endure

Dragonite @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Fire Punch
- Earthquake
- Superpower

Enjoy!

tagging Rosa for the Kyubits
 
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Gilme

Banned deucer.

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Ice

• Rhyperior:
136 > 116.
Your best answer is RW where Growth fits well (3 before falling)
220+ Atk Rhyperior Rock Wrecker vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 172-204 (42.6 - 50.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
On the other hand, Growth kills Giga Drain. Considering the custap berry + Endure it only makes it last one more turn. On the contrary.
0 SpA Tangrowth Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Rhyperior: 540-636 (124.4 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

• Shaymin:
It is a relief that Shaymin does not have Air Slash so it would be a problem. His best answer is his only contact move and Seed Flare stab and there are 4 to eliminate Growth without drop.
4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Tangrowth: 111-131 (27.5 - 32.5%) -- 66.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Instead the best answer to defend against Shaymin is spam Sludge Bomb where I can even poison.
0 SpA Tangrowth Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 142-168 (35.1 - 41.5%) -- 77% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

• Dragonite:
Perhaps the most complicated of the three since it has one of the best skills in the game as it is very useful Multiscale.
Your best answer is click on Outrage.
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 136-162 (33.7 - 40.1%) -- 32.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers
My best answer to counterattack is to use Hp Ice which doesn't take much damage in principle because Nite protects itself well with its ability.
0 SpA Tangrowth Hidden Power Ice vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 94-112 (27.5 - 32.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
and here it would be in the next turn
0 SpA Tangrowth Hidden Power Ice vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 188-224 (55.1 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Another viable option is to use Leech + Hp Ice with the support of Leftovers.
 
Ludicolo @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 24 HP / 100 Def / 252 SpA / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Fake Out
- Energy Ball
- Protect


Against Shaymin:

252+ SpA Never-Melt Ice Ludicolo Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 202-238 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 24 HP / 0 SpD Ludicolo: 130-154 (42.3 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

Against Rhyperior:

Protect on their Custap Rock Wrecker.
252+ SpA Ludicolo Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 612-720 (141 - 165.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Against Dragonite:
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 24 HP / 100 Def Ludicolo: 259-306 (84.3 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Never-Melt Ice Ludicolo Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 404-476 (125 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0- Atk Ludicolo Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 10-12 (3 - 3.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
 
Walrein!!!!
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Walrein @ Ice Gem
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Endure
- Blizzard

:Shaymin:
- Blizzard until you run out, then ice beam

252+ SpA Ice Gem Walrein Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 522-614 (129.2 - 151.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

- Shaymin can’t kill with seed flare

0 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Walrein: 284-336 (67.1 - 79.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

- If shaymin uses protect/sub stall you still kill eventually

252+ SpA Walrein Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 348-410 (86.1 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Walrein Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 276-326 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

:Rhyperior:
- Use water move

252+ SpA Walrein Surf vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 630-741 (145.1 - 170.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

- If they use endure t1, use endure t2

:Dragonite:
- Use ice move

252+ Atk Dragonite Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Walrein: 322-380 (75.9 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Ice Gem Walrein Blizzard vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 522-614 (153 - 180%) -- guaranteed OHKO

TLDR
Nerf accuracy
 
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Abomasnow @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Ice Shard
- Blizzard


Against Rhyperior:
16 SpA Abomasnow Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 594-702 (136.8 - 161.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Endure? Hail damage..

Against Dragonite:
16 SpA Never-Melt Ice Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 294-348 (86.2 - 102%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
0- Atk Never-Melt Ice Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 184-220 (53.9 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Dragonite Fire Punch vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 320-380 (83.9 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Against Shaymin:
Against Shaymin, spam Blizzard when Hail is on and spam Ice Beam when Hail is off...
 
Leafeon
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h (Leafeon) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Charm
- Rest
- Baton Pass

:Shaymin:
- Just pp stall lol, what’s it gonna do to you
0 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Leafeon: 92-108 (27.5 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Ignore spdef drops it only has 8 pp so it doesn’t get the special stall rule :]

:Rhyperior:
- Just pp stall lol, what’s it gonna do to you

:Dragonite:
- Charm and rest until dead
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Leafeon: 160-189 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO

-2 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Leafeon: 81-96 (24.2 - 28.7%) -- 98.1% chance to 4HKO

-4 252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Leafeon: 54-64 (16.1 - 19.1%) -- possible 6HKO
 
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Ok hear me out
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Magnezone @ Jaboca Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flash Cannon
- Protect
- Rest

:Shaymin:
- Pretend spdef drops aren’t real and spam rest and hp ice

:Rhyperior:
- Flash cannon, protect, flash cannon

252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 328-387 (75.5 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

:Dragonite:
JABOCA BERRY TIME

- Jaboca breaks multiscale and makes HP ice OHKO

252+ SpA Magnezone Hidden Power Ice vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
I've think I've learned the way
Kyurem-Black @ Charti Berry
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Def / 176 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Hail
- Icy Wind

Icy Wind to Ice Beams
176+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Icy Wind vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 176-210 (43.5 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
176+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 306-362 (75.7 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
So Shaymin heals 76 hp every turn with Leech Seed and Leftovers, with protect that's 152. The minimum damage Kyurem-black can do is 482. So techically, if Shaymin can gets lucky with consecutive Protects it can pull off some sub seed shenanigans. But with The Power of Hail I can legally label this Good Enough™️.


You beat op berry with op move
Using
The Power of Hail you can deny the Endure Custap
edit: I realized the message may have not gotten across correctly, you should use Hail turn 1
176+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 32 SpD Rhyperior: 468-552 (107.8 - 127.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Rhyperior Rock Wrecker vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Charti Berry Kyurem-Black: 225-265 (54.7 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


"You insolent puny mortal kneel before my 700 base stat total"
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Kyurem-Black: 348-410 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
176+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 612-724 (179.4 - 212.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 

Nalei

in and up
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Bringing back the 0 EV, itemless 3-0 as popularized by Felucia and presenting... Articuno

Articuno
Ability: Pressure
- Ice Shard
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Rest

:shaymin:
PP. Shaymin can only get 4 Seed Flares off and factoring Pressure has a measly 44 PP total. Articuno can use Substitute to avoid being SpD dropped by Seed Flare and has more than enough Rests in the tank to slowly but surely bring Shaymin down.

:rhyperior:
Substitute. Rhyperior can only hurt Articuno with its recharge move so by outspeeding and using Substitute Articuno gets an easy win. Substitute->Ice Beam->Ice Beam->(if they use Endure) Ice Shard if you're feeling cheeky; stall out the 4 total Rock Wreckers while taunting your opponent with Substitute, Rest, and Ice Shard if you're looking to disrespect, or freeze with Ice Beam turn 1 if you have the 'nads.

:dragonite:
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 220-261 (68.5 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Articuno Ice Beam vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 198-234 (58 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Articuno Ice Shard vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 160-192 (46.9 - 56.3%) -- 64.8% chance to 2HKO
 
The fifth BMT cycle is over, with ggopw's Kyurem-Black post winning a spot in the hall of fame!

This next team, in B2W2, is by both LittleRunnerXC and AltCauseImInsecure. This cycle will last until April 6th.

Shaymin @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Protect
- Seed Flare

Rhyperior @ Custap Berry
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Atk / 36 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Rock Wrecker
- Earthquake
- Endure

Dragonite @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Fire Punch
- Earthquake
- Superpower

Enjoy!

tagging Rosa for the Kyubits
the ability on rhyperior is solid rock.:heart:
 

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Starmie @ Ice Gem
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 20 HP / 100 Def / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Reflect Type

252 SpA Ice Gem Analytic Starmie Ice Beam vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 20 HP / 100 Def Starmie: 225-265 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

close enough (better odds than hitting Blizzard)
 

Stable

Formerly stableprince569
Some people really forget that Seed Flare has a 40% chance of dropping SpD by two stages. Time to check which submissions are valid and which are not

4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Tangrowth: 111-131 (27.5 - 32.5%) -- 66.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
invalid, if shaymin gets a single spdef drop it outspeeds and 3HKOs, and Tangrowth only barely 3HKOs. It would be invalid even if spdef drop wasn't a thing bc counting leftovers you 3hko only 77% of the time but ok

4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 24 HP / 0 SpD Ludicolo: 130-154 (42.3 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
invalid, if it SpD drops it wins

252+ SpA Ice Gem Walrein Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin: 522-614 (129.2 - 151.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
invalid bc you have to hit a 70% move

240 HP / 252+
bro I think you messed up your EVs cause your set runs 40 HP / 252 Def with more Atk EVs.

Ignore spdef drops it only has 8 pp so it doesn’t get the special stall rule :]
invalid. what does this even mean? It only has to get one spdef drop in 7 turns, and the chances of that happening are around 99,837%

Pretend spdef drops aren’t real and spam rest and hp ice
invalid, again.

Kyurem-Black @ Charti Berry
pretty much the first valid breaker

valid

Starmie @ Ice Gem
valid. you didn't show the Shaymin calcs but it beats it even considering spdef drops.
 
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Stable

Formerly stableprince569
Cacturne @ Leppa Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Def / 12 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spite
- Counter
- Energy Ball
- Synthesis

here's my first attempt
This breaker is almost valid.

0 SpA Cacturne Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 471-558 (108.5 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
220+ Atk Rhyperior Rock Wrecker vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Cacturne: 276-325 (80.4 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Dragonite Superpower vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Cacturne: 290-342 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Against Shaymin you spam Spite until it runs out of PP and Struggles. You have exactly the right amount of Spite PP with Leppa Berry to get Shaymin to struggle.
The reason I believe this breaker to be almost valid is
4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 248 HP / 12 SpD Cacturne: 96-114 (27.9 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. -2 248 HP / 12 SpD Cacturne: 193-228 (56.2 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Shaymin Struggle vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Cacturne: 33-39 (9.6 - 11.3%) -- possible 9HKO

Sadly, the counterplay is using all of your other moves before Seed Flare and then hoping for the 40% SpDef drop. I'm not fast enough to heal back so I just die.
RIP Cacturne
 
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Some people really forget that Seed Flare has a 60% chance of dropping SpD by two stages. Time to check which submissions are valid and which are not


invalid, if shaymin gets a single spdef drop it outspeeds and 3HKOs, and Tangrowth only barely 3HKOs. It would be invalid even if spdef drop wasn't a thing bc counting leftovers you 3hko only 77% of the time but ok


invalid, if it SpD drops it wins


invalid bc you have to hit a 70% move


bro I think you messed up your EVs cause your set runs 40 HP / 252 Def with more Atk EVs.


invalid. what does this even mean? It only has to get one spdef drop in 7 turns, and the chances of that happening are around 99,837%


invalid, again.


pretty much the first valid breaker


valid. you didn't show the Shaymin calcs but it beats it even considering spdef drops.
5. Secondary effects like burn from Fire Blast will not count as a win condition
 

Stable

Formerly stableprince569
Here's for a second attempt. Itemless, because that's the only fancyness I can afford. Also I invested in every EV
Infernape
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 8 HP / 60 Atk / 216 Def / 4 SpA / 28 SpD / 192 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Grass Knot
- Counter
- Flare Blitz

252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 8 HP / 216 Def Infernape: 248-294 (84 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 SpA Infernape Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 435-513 (100.2 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

64- Atk Infernape Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Shaymin: 254-302 (62.8 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if Shaymin decides to Leech Seed it heals back exactly 10.95% HP + 6,25% from Leftovers

(62.8*2)-(10.95+6.25)*2
= 91.19999999999999
Not enough HP left to set up a Substitute
4 SpA Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 8 HP / 28 SpD Infernape: 83-98 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
28.4 - 33.7% recoil damage
also Seed Flare doesn't even OHKO after Recoil

Completely valid and hax-proof counter (barring crits)
 

Stable

Formerly stableprince569
5. Secondary effects like burn from Fire Blast will not count as a win condition
ok but Fire Blast has a 10% chance of burning, so it's considered hax. Seed Flare has an 80% (I said 60 but it's even higher) chance of dropping SpDef.
It's like assuming Power-Up Punch doesn't increase your attack just because it's a secondary effect.

Technically this would be a call-out to pqs to fix the rules but your common sense should already tell you that ignoring this means your "counter" is not a reliable counter
 

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