OU Breloom (mini revamp)

[rien]

Breloom might seem like an interesting choice for a bulky Grass-type thanks to its unique combination of Spore, Leech Seed, and Poison Heal, and it also packs a notable offensive presence thanks to Focus Punch, which benefits from Breloom's naturally high Attack and Substitute. However, it is unable to set up against prominent Pokemon in the tier such as Tapu Bulu, Tapu Koko, Gliscor, Tapu Fini, and Mega Sableye, which can all prevent Breloom from using Spore by virtue of their typing and abilities and take very little to no damage from Focus Punch. Overall, Breloom's dependency on good matchup makes it inconsistent and hard to justify using over other Grass-types that can successfully check the majority of Water-, Ground-, and Electric-types in the tier.

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spore
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 176 SpD / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

What separates Breloom from other users of Leech Seed, such as Serperior and Ferrothorn, is Breloom's access to Spore, which gives it a free turn to set up Leech Seed or Substitute, as well as Poison Heal, which protects Breloom from status and provides it with another source of reliable recovery. However, Breloom has a hard time setting up after one of the opposing Pokemon has been put to sleep, as it can easily be checked right after by faster threats that do not fear Focus Punch, such as Tornadus-T, Tapu Lele, and Mega Latias. While Breloom's niche and tool set are unique, it is not as effective as a defensive Grass-type compared to other Grass-types such as Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, all of which have a better matchup against a broader range of threats and are therefore easier to fit on teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[royesk, 474994]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mellow, 423226], [Jordy, 395754]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Rabia, 336073]]

 

[Mellow]

[OVERVIEW]

Breloom might seem like an interesting choice for a bulky Grass-type thanks to its unique access to Spore, Leech Seed, and Poison Heal, which makes it arguably the best user of the SubSeed strategy in the metagame, alongside Focus Punch, which benefits from Breloom's naturally high Attack stat, part Fighting typing, and Substitute. This bit is just filler. Also, Breloom isn't the best SubSeeder, Serperior is definitely a better mon that uses SubSeed, though even if Breloom was the best at it in the tier it seems like quite an arbitrary title to give it. So what if it was the best SubSeed mon? It's not like that's a role you're looking to fit on a team during building. However, Breloom is unable to set up against common threats such as Tapu Bulu, Mega Venusaur, Tapu Koko, Gliscor and Tapu Fini, which can all prevent Breloom from using Spore by the virtue of their typing and abilities respectively, and take very little damage from Focus Punch. It also struggles against opposing stall teams due to the prevalence of Mega Sableye, which bounces all of its status moves back and is immune to Focus Punch. It's not that bad against stall really, you can PP stall pretty well with it even if you are totally walled by Sableye. Overall, its dependency on good matchup leaves it outclassed by other, more consistent Grass-types. Mention that defensively it doesn't really do everything you'd want a Grass-type to do. You typically want your bulky Grass-type to check Water-types, Ground-types, and Electric-types, but Breloom only checks some of each; it beats Ash-Greninja but loses to Tapu Fini, Mega Swampert, and Manaphy, it beats Garchomp and some Landorus-T sets but it's setup fodder for Gliscor, and it beats Rotom-W but loses to Choice Specs Tapu Koko and Zapdos. This makes it hard to build with because you can't just throw it on and call it a day against these type of mons like you can do with Assault Vest Tangrowth for example. TL;DR basically just change the last sentence to say that its reliancy on good matchup makes it inconsistent and its inability to check the threats you'd want your bulky Grass-type to make it hard to build with, so you'd usually rather use a different Grass-type.

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spore
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 176 SpD / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set attempt to stall the opponent out by using the combination of Substitute and Leech Seed, which is aided by Spore, and alongside with Poison Heal and 236 HP EVs allows Breloom to restore 25% of its health on each turn while slowly chipping the opposing Pokemon and setting up new substitutes indefinitely. Nitpick, but not always 25%. Leech Seed heals you for 12.5% of the opponent's health, not 12.5% of Breloom's health, meaning the amount differs depending on the mon afflicted by Leech Seed. Also this is pretty filler, it's just explaining how SubSeed works, which is handholding. If you're gonna talk about SubSeed on Breloom, try to emphasise why Breloom specifically is good at it, rather than just explaining how it works. Even without offensive investment, Focus Punch is a strong move that can heavily chip most Pokemon that don't resist it. Fluff. However, Breloom has a hard time setting up after one of the opposing Pokemon has been put to sleep, as it can easily be checked right after by faster threats who do not fear Focus Punch, such as Tornadus-T, Tapu Lele, and Mega Latias. While Breloom's niche and tool set are unique, it is wholly outclassed by bulkier Grass-types such as Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, all of which are more consistent in nature and have a better matchup against a broader range of threats. Disagree with the phrasing of this, it doesn't fulfil the same role as these mons really. The set is unique, it's just not very effective because of how many prevalent mons it's walled by. Instead of wholly outclassed, say that you would usually rather use those mons because they better check the types earlier that I mentioned, so they're a lot easier to fit on a team.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[royesk, 474994]]
- Quality checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ]]

Comments are in yellow, stuff to remove is in red
This isn't 1/2 quite yet, I'd like to take another look once you've implemented this.
sorry this was so wordy lol

 

[rien]

Mellow implemented

 

[Mellow]

unable to set up against common threats such as...

Bit of a nitpick, but change "common threats" to "prominent Pokemon in the tier" since some of the Pokemon listed are either not common or not threats.

Rest looks fine to me, 1/2 :]

 

[Jordy]

comments in purple things to remove in red

[OVERVIEW]

Breloom might seem like an interesting choice for a bulky Grass-type thanks to its unique access to Spore, Leech Seed, and Poison Heal. SubPunch is part of its appeal, so add something about it here. However, it is unable to set up against prominent Pokemon in the tier such as Tapu Bulu, Mega Venusaur, Tapu Koko, Gliscor, Tapu Fini, and Mega Sableye, which can all prevent Breloom from using Spore by the virtue of their typing and abilities respectively, and take very little to no damage from Focus Punch. 6 examples is far too many, you should try to cut 1 or 2. Overall, Breloom's dependency on good matchup makes it inconsistent in execution and hard to justify using over other Grass-types who can successfully check the majority of Water-, Ground-, and Electric-types in the tier.

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spore
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 176 SpD / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

What seperates Breloom from other users of Leech Seed, such as Serperior, is Breloom's unique access to Spore, which gives it a free turn to set up either Leech Seed or Substitute, as well as Poison Heal, which protects Breloom from status and provides it with another source of reliable recovery. However, Breloom has a hard time setting up after one of the opposing Pokemon has been put to sleep, as it can easily be checked right after by faster threats who do not fear Focus Punch, such as Tornadus-T, Tapu Lele, and Mega Latias. While Breloom's niche and tool set are unique, it is not as effective as a defensive Grass-type compared to other Grass-types such as Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, all of which have a better matchup against a broader range of threats and are therefore easier to fit on teams. Adding "as a defensive Grass-type" makes the sentence make slightly more sense, since it's not very obvious.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[royesk, 474994]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mellow, 423226], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ]]

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[Rabia]

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[OVERVIEW]

Breloom might seem like an interesting choice for a bulky Grass-type thanks to its unique access to combination of (rn it can be a bit ambiguous as to what exactly is unique about Breloom, so this change clarifies that) Spore, Leech Seed, and Poison Heal, while and it also packs a notable offensive presence thanks to Focus Punch, which benefits from Breloom's naturally high Attack stat and Substitute. However, it is unable to set up against prominent Pokemon in the tier such as Tapu Bulu, Tapu Koko, Gliscor, Tapu Fini, and Mega Sableye, which can all prevent Breloom from using Spore by the virtue of their typing and abilities respectively,(RC) and take very little to no damage from Focus Punch. Overall, Breloom's dependency on good matchup makes it inconsistent in execution and hard to justify using over other Grass-types who that can successfully check the majority of Water-, Ground-, and Electric-types in the tier.

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spore
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 176 SpD / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

What seperates separates Breloom from other users of Leech Seed, such as Serperior (are there any other notable users? seems weird to just include one), is Breloom's unique (Amoonguss learns Spore too; Breloom's access to the move is not unique) access to Spore, which gives it a free turn to set up either Leech Seed or Substitute, as well as Poison Heal, which protects Breloom from status and provides it with another source of reliable recovery. However, Breloom has a hard time setting up after one of the opposing Pokemon has been put to sleep, as it can easily be checked right after by faster threats who that do not fear Focus Punch, such as Tornadus-T, Tapu Lele, and Mega Latias. While Breloom's niche and tool set are unique, it is not as effective as a defensive Grass-type compared to other Grass-types such as Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, all of which have a better matchup against a broader range of threats and are therefore easier to fit on teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[royesk, 474994]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mellow, 423226], [Jordy, 395754]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Rabia, 336073]]

gp 1/1 once done

 

[rien]

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[OVERVIEW]

Breloom might seem like an interesting choice for a bulky Grass-type thanks to its unique access to combination of (rn it can be a bit ambiguous as to what exactly is unique about Breloom, so this change clarifies that) Spore, Leech Seed, and Poison Heal, while and it also packs a notable offensive presence thanks to Focus Punch, which benefits from Breloom's naturally high Attack stat and Substitute. However, it is unable to set up against prominent Pokemon in the tier such as Tapu Bulu, Tapu Koko, Gliscor, Tapu Fini, and Mega Sableye, which can all prevent Breloom from using Spore by the virtue of their typing and abilities respectively,(RC) and take very little to no damage from Focus Punch. Overall, Breloom's dependency on good matchup makes it inconsistent in execution and hard to justify using over other Grass-types who that can successfully check the majority of Water-, Ground-, and Electric-types in the tier.

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spore
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 176 SpD / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

What seperates separates Breloom from other users of Leech Seed, such as Serperior (are there any other notable users? seems weird to just include one), is Breloom's unique (Amoonguss learns Spore too; Breloom's access to the move is not unique) access to Spore, which gives it a free turn to set up either Leech Seed or Substitute, as well as Poison Heal, which protects Breloom from status and provides it with another source of reliable recovery. However, Breloom has a hard time setting up after one of the opposing Pokemon has been put to sleep, as it can easily be checked right after by faster threats who that do not fear Focus Punch, such as Tornadus-T, Tapu Lele, and Mega Latias. While Breloom's niche and tool set are unique, it is not as effective as a defensive Grass-type compared to other Grass-types such as Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, all of which have a better matchup against a broader range of threats and are therefore easier to fit on teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[royesk, 474994]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mellow, 423226], [Jordy, 395754]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Rabia, 336073]]

gp 1/1 once done

this is ready to upload, thanks to everyone involved!

 

[Rabia]

o I just noticed something I forgot in the Introduction: "naturally high Attack stat"

 

[GMars]

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