Meanwhile Mat Block just ceased to exist lol (only work in double but it still had its niche in VGC before)
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Metagame Champions OU Metagame Discussion
- Thread starter dhelmise
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water shuriken having a new interaction w/ the mega (like the plus move in ZA) would have been so nice
75 bp priority water stab would be so juicy n useful
I don’t really want to add another fire weakness, corv is way too passive. I don’t need something that spams roost, defogs, and dies; imo, lop and corv just don't synergize.
Like for Chestnaught getting a better version of wood hammer, Delfox you could do like burned at the stake reference, Greninja could get a thing like it's "Pseudo-Mega" from SM where KOs make it stronger (tbh needs a lot of balancing), Meganuim can be fine w/ solar beam spam, my GOAT Emboar Needs something other than mold breaker (copy feraligatr's ability and make it fire type instead (or keep reckless)), feraligatr needs more physical normal moves to benefit from dragonize.
We should definitely leave stat pass alone. We would need to ban its use with any moves that give you a stat boost, every item that gives you a stat boost, and abilities that give you a stat boost including defiant competitive and contrary. Your opponent could use swagger on you or something and I think if you get swept by that its on you. You could use swagger on a magic bouncer and then pass that so banning it with swagger and its clones. In doubles you could use coaching and pass that but you are just wasting turns with that nonsense/easily shut down. I'm not sure did I miss something?
adament max attack brave bird with sharp beak would like to have a word with you
I just noticed Gliscor didn't make the cut for OU early last month? What did it lose?
This was its usage:
83 | Gliscor | 1.14196%
This was its usage:
83 | Gliscor | 1.14196%
Toxic Orb is not in the game, and the inability to self-proc Poison Heal effectively kills its viability.
Oh, yeah, they basically killed the poor thing then.
I really hope we get to see more megas in OU now that some of the broken ones were banned.
I used it a for a bit as a hazard setter and for teams with Hatterene it's actually hilarious how much of a problem it is. Healing 18% each turn is no joke. It's only funny tech and kinda matchup fishy tho
That Mega Raichu X clip from the initial February trailer is making rounds again because of its alleged ability being Electric Surge since the arena has the yellow hue which only appears if that terrain is up.
is there anything that mega lopunny can't put bullet holes through
unaware clef
I made a spreadsheet of some common sets I've seen/used in COU. Let me know if I should change/add anything: Champions OU: Sample Sets
How do you know we're getting rocky helmet and black sludge?
how is bastiodon i feel like its a solid tank better than aggron even with a chople berry but i dont see anyone using it is it a movepool issue or is it just not as good as i think
the latter, definitely the latter, base Aggron isn't very good at all to begin with anyways
its poor Typing leaving it at the mercy of the coverage of every physical attacker ever, its lack of reliable recovery and anything but Body Press being insanely passive
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Fighting resists
does she not run normal stab at all
Lopunny has no normal STAB in Champions outside of... Mega Kick. And Giga Impact I guess.
It has quick attack but I feel like that is only really useful on fake out sets and even then fake out is probably good enough priority 95% of the time. That being said close combat is such a spammable move that I don't feel like Mega Lopunny needs its normal STAB that much. Sure it would be nice but it has plenty of solid options such as triple axel and u-turn. It even has encore if you want to be really cheeky. That being said I don't think anyone is denying Mega Lopunny can work without normal STAB so I will leave it there.
I feel like it struggles more against bulky fighting resist than before. U turning out is nice and all, but I do miss having unresisted STABs on it
Double edge would be a big boost for it for sure. The fact that it doesn't get much normal stab just baffles me. Dizzy Punch got dexited and it doesn't even get Take Down. (Volcarona learns Double Edge of all things, Gamefreak can't be serious...
)Yeah just give this thing double edge. I thought I wouldn't have to gamble when Lopunny received Close Combat, then they force me to make an even bigger gamble if I want to use a strong normal STAB lol (Mega Kick begone).Double edge would be a big boost for it for sure. The fact that it doesn't get much normal stab just baffles me. Dizzy Punch got dexited and it doesn't even get Take Down. (Volcarona learns Double Edge of all things, Gamefreak can't be serious...
Though this is the same game that decided that Aerodactyl should not learn a single recoil move despite having Rock Head lol
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