Ubers Choice Band Chien-Pao

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[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Icicle Crash / Ice Spinner
move 2: Crunch
move 3: Ice Shard / Sucker Punch
move 4: Sacred Sword / Sucker Punch
item: Choice Band
ability: Sword of Ruin
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
tera type: Dark / Ice

[SET COMMENTS]
  • Icicle Crash 2HKOes Corviknight and avoids Rocky Helmet, while Ice Spinner is more accurate and has the bonus of removing Electric Terrain.
  • Sacred Sword hits checks such as Kingambit and opposing Chien-Pao.
  • Another option is to run a double priority combination with Ice Shard and Sucker Punch. Sucker Punch hits very crucial Pokemon that Ice Shard can't, such as Tera Fire Koraidon, Tera Fire Flutter Mane, and Iron Bundle.
  • An Adamant nature allows Chien-Pao to achieve ridiculous feats such as revenge killing Flutter Mane from 90% HP with Ice Shard. A Jolly nature lets Chien-Pao Speed tie with Koraidon, Miraidon, opposing Jolly Chien-Pao, and Flutter Mane, giving Chien-Pao the freedom to click its strongest moves less reluctantly.
  • Tera Dark allows Chien-Pao to 2HKO the entire tier while letting it still switch into weaker moves such as Shadow Ball. Tera Ice gives Chien-Pao the ability to OHKO Flutter Mane with Ice Shard, making it a terrific late-game cleaner.
  • Choice Band Chien-Pao is a wallbreaker that is best suited for bulky offense structures that love its revenge killing and wallbreaking capabilities.
  • Pokemon like Iron Treads, Hatterene, and Koraidon, which can provide entry hazard control or pivoting, are excellent teammates for Chien-Pao.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[corvere, 306317]]
- Quality checked by: [[ox04, 507268], [Lasen, 273339], [Manaphy, 50695]]
- Grammar checked by: [[DC, 449990]]
 
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I'm not going to get into the OU part of the Spinner vs Crash dynamic but Electric Terrain exists and Ice Spinner allows you to remove it. Unless you're using Quark Drive abusers then don't bother with missing Icicle Crash in my opinion. If something is slower than you, it is very likely that you'll be hitting them with the Dark STAB or OHKOing them. That means that you're mainly relying on your Ice move to remove key pokemon on crucial turns, not to come in and barrage your opponent endlessly until they get flinched. The point I'm trying to make is that Ice Spinner is also an option.

I agree that tera Dark is the best tera type, but I think tera Ice is viable too. It allows incredibly powerful Ice Shards, especially if you go with an adamant nature. OHKOing many many targets and easily cleaning late game, unlike the unreliable Sucker Punch, which can be avoided even by just switching.

Not much other than that, looks pretty good!
 
This is well written. I'd bring up Jolly letting you speed tie the two Dons and Flutter, meaning you can lock onto your stronger move(s) less reluctantly.

corvere said:
Choice Band Chien-Pao is a wallbreaker, suited best in Bulky Offense structures that love its revenge-kill and breaking capabilities.
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Revenge killing


corvere said:
Hazard Removals and pivots such as Iron Treads are greatly appreciated,
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I'd bring up another removal option and/or pivot here. Leaving it to you to decide what that is.

Implement what ox said as well, really good AM check from him!

- Quality checked by: [[ox04, 507268], [Lasen, 273339], [user3, id3]]



PS. Lmk when you're into GP so I can look it over for minor prose stuff.
 
added and splashed ice spinner first over icicle crash, implemented the "speed tie with the dons and mane" bit and rephrased the end a little bit.
 
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I'd like to point out to you that ox04 just suggested to move Ice Spinner as a slashed option, and you made it the main slash and said this about it:
corvere said:
but the chance of missing makes it a worse option overall.
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You didn't have to go this far! I just don't like sentences like these. Why include it on the set at all if it's a worse option? Just mention the downside of lower accuracy and move on.

Icicle Crash should be first slash IMO thanks to getting the 2HKO on Corviknight + not racking up Rocky Helmet recoil. I would also move it to the move 1 slot since it's the move you'll usually be spamming most.
Removing terrain doesn't have much practical utility for Chien-Pao outside of maybeee removing a Treads speed boost (who never switches in on you anyway?).
The only benefit is accuracy, which granted is a big one but not enough to be option 2 imo. The flinch chance of Icicle Crash shouldn't be ignored in that case either.

the rest looks fine so I'll stamp after changes
 
made icicle crash 1st move and main slash, tried to mention the accuracy issues and shortened the mention of spinner removing electric terrain
 
worded things a bit better and made ice shard 3rd move, sacred sword is now 4th. also included some more teammate mentions
 
:sv/chien-pao:
[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Icicle Crash / Ice Spinner
move 2: Crunch
move 3: Ice Shard / Sucker Punch
move 4: Sacred Sword / Sucker Punch
item: Choice Band
ability: Sword of Ruin
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
tera type: Dark / Ice

[SET COMMENTS]
  • Icicle Crash is your main STAB move, hitting everything in the tier, even Corviknight, for a 2HKO. It also lets you avoid Rocky Helmet damage, but it can miss. Ice Spinner on the other hand is a safer option to Icicle Crash, being 100% accurate while still hitting decently hard with a bonus of removing Electric Terrain. The power difference is notorious I assume you mean noticeable though, as it no longer allows Chien-Pao to 2HKO Corviknight.
  • Sacred Sword hits Pokemon that would otherwise check Chien-Pao, such as Kimgambit, opposing Chien-Pao, and Iron Treads, for super effective damage.
  • Another option is to run a double priority combo with Ice Shard and Sucker Punch. While it might look counterproductive, Sucker Punch hits very crucial Pokemon that Ice Shard can't, such as Tera Fire Koraidon, Tera Fire Flutter Mane, and Iron Bundle.
  • An Adamant Nature allows Chien-Pao to achieve ridiculous feats such as revenge killing Flutter Mane from 90% HP with Ice Shard. A Jolly Nature can also be run, as it lets Chien-Pao speed tie with Koraidon, Miraidon, opposing Jolly Chien-Pao and Paradox Pokemon such as Flutter Mane I don't think anything else relevant is base 135, giving you the freedom to click your strongest moves less reluctantly.
  • Tera Dark allows Chien-Pao to 2HKO the entire tier while remaining able to pivot into weaker moves such as Shadow Ball. Tera Ice is also an option that gives Chien-Pao the ability OHKO to Flutter Mane with Ice Shard, making Chien-Pao a terrific late game cleaner.
  • Choice Band Chien-Pao is a wallbreaker, suited best in for bulky offense structures that love its revenge killing and breaking capabilities.
  • Pokemon that can help Chien-Pao by removing hazards or by pivoting make for great partners. As such, Pokemon like Koraidon, Iron Treads, and Hattereene Hatterene are excellent teammates for it.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[corvere, 306317]]
- Quality checked by: [[ox04, 507268], [Lasen, 273339]], [Manaphy, 50695]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

I cannot help further, feel free to move this to GP.
 
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AC = Add Comma, RC = Remove Comma, AH = Add Hyphen, RH = Remove Hyphen
:sv/chien-pao:
[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Icicle Crash / Ice Spinner
move 2: Crunch
move 3: Ice Shard / Sucker Punch
move 4: Sacred Sword / Sucker Punch
item: Choice Band
ability: Sword of Ruin
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
tera type: Dark / Ice

[SET COMMENTS]
  • Icicle Crash is your main STAB move, hitting everything in the tier, even Corviknight, for a 2HKO. It also lets you avoid Rocky Helmet damage, but it can miss. Ice Spinner on the other hand is a safer option to Icicle Crash, being 100% accurate while still hitting decently hard with a bonus of removing Electric Terrain. The power difference is very noticeable though, as it no longer allows Chien-Pao to 2HKO Corviknight. Icicle Crash 2HKOes Corviknight and avoids Rocky Helmet, while Ice Spinner is more accurate and has the bonus of removing Electric Terrain.
  • Sacred Sword hits Pokemon that would otherwise check Chien-Pao,(RC) checks such as Kimgambit Kingambit and opposing Chien-Pao for super effective damage.
  • Another option is to run a double priority combo combination with Ice Shard and Sucker Punch. While it might look counterproductive,(RC) Sucker Punch hits very crucial Pokemon that Ice Shard can't, such as Tera Fire Koraidon, Tera Fire Flutter Mane, and Iron Bundle.
  • An Adamant nature(lowercase) allows Chien-Pao to achieve ridiculous feats such as revenge killing Flutter Mane from 90% HP with Ice Shard. A Jolly nature(lowercase) can also be run,(RC) as it lets Chien-Pao Speed(capitalize) tie with Koraidon, Miraidon, opposing Jolly Chien-Pao,(AC) and Flutter Mane, giving you Chien-Pao the freedom to click your its strongest moves less reluctantly.
  • Tera Dark allows Chien-Pao to 2HKO the entire tier while remaining able to pivot letting it still switch into weaker moves such as Shadow Ball. Tera Ice is also an option that gives Chien-Pao the ability OHKO to OHKO Flutter Mane with Ice Shard, making it a terrific late-(AH)game cleaner.
  • Choice Band Chien-Pao is a wallbreaker,(RC) suited best that is best suited for bulky offense structures that love its revenge killing and wallbreaking capabilities.
  • Pokemon that can help Chien-Pao by removing hazards or by pivoting make for great partners. As such, Pokemon like Koraidon, Iron Treads, and Hatterene are excellent teammates for it. Pokemon like Iron Treads, Hatterene, and Koraidon, which can provide entry hazard control or pivoting, are excellent teammates for Chien-Pao. (Hatterene doesn't remove entry hazards + reordered the Pokemon to fit parameters)
[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[corvere, 306317]]
- Quality checked by: [[ox04, 507268], [Lasen, 273339]], [Manaphy, 50695]] - remove the extra bracket for lasen
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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