For one it completely discounts pre-merge stuff, which is fine, because that's a small portion of the game. OK, whatever.
you've still not brought up what you've actually done pre-merge besides a. make a strong alliance with RODAN and b. assist in winning challenges in post-swap. Agree that it is a small portion of the game, and I've already mentioned that I do not know what control you had in pre-swap, but post-swap it takes 1 loss and you're probably the vote.
But beyond that, this is just filled with nonsense that shows that DLE didn't and still doesn't understand what was going on in the game. I didn't "rely" on RODAN's connection to trace, I was the one that was trusted in that group. Trace was the one who broke to me that he was going to throw away his vote. You had even less of an idea of what was going on at 10 and 11 unlike me. It was also pretty accepted that trace and viper had a connection, even if you didn't know that.
reasons why this is either a lie or bad play:
1. You had no reason to lie about knowing trace's position prior to his vote and outright said you had no idea what he was thinking at 10.
2. you didn't act to do anything to try to salvage your position with trace to potentially convince trace that RODAN was never going to stab him.
If you're referring to me not knowing what trace was doing, I was told by viper prior to being told by you that he threw it away.
Here are logs following f10:
[10:12 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: yo
[10:26 PM
] Jalmont
: What’s up
[10:26 PM
] Jalmont
: Do u know what’s happening
[10:30 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: I’m fairly sure viper Hannah et al are voting for me here lol
[10:31 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: So uh either I miracle flip alore or 3p1k or best of luck getting a run of immunities lol
[10:32 PM
] Jalmont
: Damn...
[10:32 PM
] Jalmont
: It’s tough for me to do much atm
[10:32 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: Ye
[10:32 PM
] Jalmont
: Given my internet rn
[10:33 PM
] Jalmont
: Plus in general
[10:33 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: Game state is
[10:33 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: Awful
[10:33 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: For both of ys
[10:33 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: Us*
[10:33 PM
] DuckDuckPwn
: Lol
[10:34 PM] DuckDuckPwn: Uh do you know where trace’s head is at
[10:35 PM] Jalmont: No clue, haven’t gotten a response from him
[10:38 PM] Jalmont: Hopefully I hear back before I’m gone for the night
[10:39 PM
] Jalmont
: Is there even like a plausible alternative vote here lol
[10:39 PM
] Jalmont
: Like I don’t even know who else viper and friends would agree to vote
[10:39 PM
] Jalmont
: I feel like if viper wants to go after someone else is our best shot but
[10:39 PM
] Jalmont
: A long one at that
I didn't follow your direction on 8, I was talking to Wolv all throughout that, so let's not act like you masterminded that. I will give you f7 given that you flipped rad, but the decision I took was ultimately my own. I needed you as much as you needed me because your game was over as soon as you lost immunity up until the final 5.
f8 is just going to be "he said, she said" on who told who to do what. However, Wolv has already come out and said that he wanted to vote for me and was pushing that at 8, only to be talked out of it by Hannah, so even if you disagree on the source of your inspiration at 8, the only reason a trace vote got entertained is because of my social game.
I wasn't out at 7 and didn't
need that immunity; I merely needed it off of Wolv. Viper/alore/me/rad were a fairly reliable vote out on Wolv there. Your vote being there was icing on the cake in case my read on Alore was wrong.
Needing an immunity at 6 and getting it isn't indicative of bad play; you use it in your own defense at 4 on why you ought win. You can't have it both ways. Note that I've never tried to take credit away from getting an immunity that puts you in a position to be in ftc. Additionally, I had done enough that I at least had some counterplay at 6 with being able to possibly get rad onto viper, to have Hannah/alore force a tie, or possibly have you consider a viper vote. Hannah's already acknowledged that you were "100% out" at 4 had you not won immunity there.
Final 5 I made a conscious decision that I would have to live with a world in which you were at the end because you were closer to Hannah and Alore than me. yeah that's reasonable that the jury sees that and thinks "Well he didn't make a big play to make himself stand out." that's true and if that's why I lose I'm cool with that because it was consistent with how I played. I decided that building my relationship with you was a better move than trying to get hannah/alore to flip which probably wouldn't have happened and just thrown away my game. I didn't "allow" you to stay in, I really didn't have much of a choice because I couldn't convince Hannah or Alore of the need to vote you out. Yeah, that's a "failure" insofar as I couldn't make it happen but I don't really see that as a blight on my game because I can't control other people.
Making a poor strategic decision and throwing your hands in the air when Hannah was at least interested in hearing you out isn't indicative of a reason to win. "Playstyle" does not justify pretty blatant mistakes. Having Hannah consider a flip on me is not a matter of "controlling" anyone; it's being convincing to another fellow player on why X other player jeopardizes their ability to win. I did this with rad and you at 7 regarding Wolv. While you -- and rad, should he have made ftc -- should get credit for agreeing with these points and coming to a reasonable conclusion on a path to win at 7, when you bring the person who is pitching these ideas with you into ftc, you're gonna have some problems. Rad at least recognized this and voted me at 5 like you should have.
Additionally, you've brought up that it was a mistake that I didn't vote you out at 5. But if Hannah were willing to hear you out at 5 and published logs of this, and my vote and Hannah outing my position to prefer a rad vote there meant you didn't even attempt to persuade Hannah otherwise,
doesn't that then mean my final 5 decision to vote Rad over you is likely the strategically correct one?
Let's be real here: you were the definition of passive up to the final 8 vote.
Once again, untrue. At 11, I specifically told zorbees to handle the vote. I've already explained that this was part of a plan to give zorbees f3 arguments. This failed spectacularly for a multitude of reasons. (Also doesn't help that I had tons of work on the day of that vote; I'm not holding your vacation over you for similar reasons. irl happens)
At 10, everyone bar viper and trace himself were surprised at the time of the trace off-vote; while viper had told as much to Wolv/Hannah/3p1k/Alore, the thought there was one that really didn't believe it until they saw it. This includes you. I was proactive in setting up a counter-push onto viper and left one vote for you/RODAN to need to handle, and you failed to do so and lost your closest ally.
I worked at 9 with Rad to set up a Wolv vote and likely would have had it, had Wolv not won immunity there. See the massive rad at f9 logs earlier regarding that. There was no reasonable argument to get zorbees saved at 9 once Wolv had immunity, and so I bowed out at 9 but told Rad that I would need him at 7. Arguing I wasn't active at 9 is tantamount to arguing that viper wasn't active at 8 to try to save trace, which is obviously untrue.
You didn't know what was happening at 11, 10, or 9. You easily could've been any of those votes had really anyone decided you were the play. Viper decided to go after me at 8 which saved you,
Important notes:
1. I convinced viper not to do so.
2. I convinced Alore/Hannah not to do so.
Not giving credit for being out of firing range at 8 is ridiculous
you won immunities at 7 and 6 when you otherwise would've gone home. Like there is no question that you go home otherwise and that's super fortunate for you. Yeah I guess my own "flaw" was that I didn't work with Viper more, but from the outset I was nervous about working with him because I knew he would/was coming after me. So what was there for me to do?
See my above f6 comments. My f6 immunity looks better than your f4 one, because I had counterplay if I didn't win there, whereas you didn't.
Who's passivity was worse? I'll let the jury decide, but I'm not the one claiming I was the biggest strategic and social mastermind. DLE's the one here trying to claim that he controlled the game by having the best social, strategical, and challenge based game. That's nonsense and I'm glad people are recognizing that lol. I legitimately knew what was going on every single votes, and I know the people on the jury know that. I don't need to sit here and argue with everyone about who was going to do what to be confident in my own gameplay that got me to the end.
I didn't claim to control the whole game. I claimed to control the game after f8. Arguing that I wasn't in control of the "whole" game doesn't help your chances to win when you were in control of "none" of the game, outside of your own vote.
People are free to disagree over how much influence I had or didn't have over the game. People should not disagree that of the remaining players in f3, I took the most calculated risks, put in the most effort, and just simply played best overall.
At the end of the day, I fundamentally and strategically
did things to put myself in this position in f3. The closest jalmont has to an argument on things he did were winning an f4 immunity, being passively aware of more votes, and doing enough to have me like him enough to choose him over rad in f4. Rad would be the first to tell you that he wouldn't beat me in an f3. Your position was arguably worse in that Rad had to sever his closest alliance to have any reasonable shot of a victory, whereas you had to...make me prefer you over rad as a player?
