Lemme just add 5 to attack to my Garde sub since people have been pointing out how good it is.
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Voting:
Porygon-Z:
Scoopapa
Jucherz
Anaconja
Author Pendragon
Tuther
No change
Vikavolt:
Scoopapa
Anaconja
No change
Alolan Raticate:
Scoopapa
Anaconja
Leonard
No change
Flaaffy:
Scoopapa
Brodaha
Anaconja
Leonard
Tuther
No change
Mega Gardevoir:
Scoopapa
Brodaha
Anaconja
Author Pendragon
Leonard
Tuther
Lycanroc-Midnight:
No speed change
104 speed
107 speed
110 speed
Cloyster:
Ice coverage given back
70 BP or less given back
All given back
My votes:
Porygon Z: Jucherz, Author Pendragon, Scoopapa
Vikavolt: Scoopapa, no change
Alolan Raticate: Scoopapa, Anaconja, Leonard
Flaaffy: leonard, Tuther, Brodaha
Gardevoir: leonard, Scoopapa, Author Pendragon
Lycanroc: 107 speed
Cloyster: All given back
Porygon-Z:
Scoopapa
Jucherz
Anaconja
Author Pendragon
Tuther
No change
Vikavolt:
Scoopapa
Anaconja
No change
Alolan Raticate:
Scoopapa
Anaconja
Leonard
No change
Flaaffy:
Scoopapa
Brodaha
Anaconja
Leonard
Tuther
No change
Mega Gardevoir:
Scoopapa
Brodaha
Anaconja
Author Pendragon
Leonard
Tuther
Lycanroc-Midnight:
No speed change
104 speed
107 speed
110 speed
Cloyster:
Ice coverage given back
70 BP or less given back
All given back
My votes:
Porygon Z: Jucherz, Author Pendragon, Scoopapa
Vikavolt: Scoopapa, no change
Alolan Raticate: Scoopapa, Anaconja, Leonard
Flaaffy: leonard, Tuther, Brodaha
Gardevoir: leonard, Scoopapa, Author Pendragon
Lycanroc: 107 speed
Cloyster: All given back
Porygon Z: Scoopapa, Anaconja, myself
Vikavolt: Scoopapa, Anaconja, no change
Alolan Raticate: Anaconja, Scoopapa, Leonard
Flaaffy: Brodaha, Tuther, Leonard
Gardevoir: Myself, Scoopapa, Brodaha
Lycanroc: 110 speed
Cloyster: All given back
Vikavolt: Scoopapa, Anaconja, no change
Alolan Raticate: Anaconja, Scoopapa, Leonard
Flaaffy: Brodaha, Tuther, Leonard
Gardevoir: Myself, Scoopapa, Brodaha
Lycanroc: 110 speed
Cloyster: All given back
Tie for porygon between Jucherz and Scoopapa
Scoop wins Vika
Anaconja wins Raticate
Brod wins flaaffy
Scoop wins Garde
Lycan will get 107 speed to begin with
Cloyster regains ice coverage
Scoop wins Vika
New Stats: 77 / 70 / 95 / 130 / 110 / 34 | BST: 516 ( + 25 Def, + 25 SpD )
New Moves: Nasty Plot, Power Gem, Earth Power, Energy Ball
Reasoning: The reasoning for the defense boosts is simple: Trick Room setters generally need to be bulky in order to be successful. Think of it this way: there are plenty of Pokemon that can move first and hit hard without needing to set up a field condition for them ( much less one that only lasts 5 turns and needs to be set by a move rather than a switch-in ). Trick Room Pokemon hit hard, are bulky, and move first ( under Trick Room ). Nasty Plot is there to help with Trick Room's matchup against bulky teams; it may not always run it, but an "ultimate Trick Room abuser" should be able to fulfill this niche if need be. The extra STAB and coverage options help it be more of an immediate threat, an area in which I also think it was somewhat lacking.
Anaconja wins Raticate
Brod wins flaaffy
Pokemon: Flaaffy
Abilities: Natural Cure / Static / Fur Coat
Stats: 100 / 55 / 40 / 90 / 70 / 60
New Moves: Roost
Reasoning: Some of Flaaffy's major downfalls were it's lack of reliable recovery and inability to really benefit from Fluffy and it's interesting Electric/Flying typing. Fur Coat allows it to really become a good physical wall and pivot. I'm a little skeptical that this might be too tough to beat on the physical side and it might outclass Toucannon, let me know if you think there's a problem.+1 252+ Atk Swampert Liquidation vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 76-91 (18.8 - 22.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 130-154 (32.2 - 38.2%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Inferno Overdrive (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 205-243 (50.8 - 60.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 84-100 (20.8 - 24.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Liquidation vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy in Rain: 88-105 (21.8 - 26%) -- 5.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Rhydon Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Flaaffy: 288-342 (71.4 - 84.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Flaaffy: 192-228 (47.6 - 56.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Nihilego Acid Downpour (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Flaaffy: 210-247 (52.1 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Unown Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Flaaffy: 135-159 (33.4 - 39.4%) -- 17.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Xurkitree Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Flaaffy in Electric Terrain: 171-202 (42.4 - 50.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Lycanroc-Midnight Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 332-392 (82.3 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Lycanroc-Midnight Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 176-210 (43.6 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Raichu Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Flaaffy: 112-135 (27.7 - 33.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see, Flaaffy is hard to break physically if you aren't using super-effective attacks, but it's special bulk isn't anything special even after Eviolite, allowing it to be more easily killed.
Scoop wins Garde
Stats: 70 / 80 / 115 / 130 / 135 / 80 | BST: 610*
Ability: Levitate
New Moves: Moonlight, U-turn,
Reasoning: Gardevoir has a fantastic support movepool including moves like Will-o-Wisp, Thunder Wave, and Taunt, so going for bulk on the mega allows it to use these attributes in a way that neither clean slate nor real Gardevoir can. Levitate is a defensive ability that makes it a surefire Kommo-O switch in, something that's in short supply currently. U-turn is a solid option for base Gardevoir because it tends to exert a lot of pressure and yet be completely reliant on prediction, making U-turn a safe move for it to take advantage of.
Lycan will get 107 speed to begin with
Cloyster regains ice coverage
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Scoopapa
Ok I flipped a coin (Juch heads, Scoop tails) and Jucherz won Porygon Z
That's all folks
New Stats: 85 / 85 / 90 / 120 / 95 / 65 | BST: 540
New moves: Quiver Dance, Heat Wave
Reasoning: I noticed there ins't a Quiver Dancer yet in the Clean Slate meta so here you go. I increased Porygon's bulk a bit too to make it easier to set up. Also Heat Wave because I hate Forretress. However, it still gets walled by either Nihilego, Lanturn, Druddigon, Forretress, Audino or Musharna depending on the coverage it chooses.
That's all folks
Pokemon: Mega-Metagross
Roles: Offensive Pivot, Mixed Wallbreaker, Aurora Veil Setter
Type: Psychic / Ice
Ability: Snow Warning
Mega Stats: 80 / 140 / 110 / 115 / 75 / 95 (+15 Atk, +5 Def, +50 SpA, +10 SpD, +20 Spe)
New Moves: Blizzard, Aurora Veil
Justification: Very weak defensive typing, but packs a strong Blizzard AND Aurora Veil (albeit for only 4 turns). Also using this on HO means you are missing out on Mega Shark.
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Name of the Pokemon: Metagross-Mega
Role(s): Offensive Trick Room setter, Trick Room abuser
Type: Psychic/Steel
Abilities: Sheer Force
Stat Distribution: 80/145/135/105/105/45 (+20 Atk, +30 Def, +40 SpA, +40 SpD, -30 Spe)
New Moves: Trick Room
Justification: Trick Room is not really seen in the metagame, so Metagross-Mega is a good addition to provide Trick Room support. It's balanced in that it doesn't gain much power from Mega Evolving, and it still lacks the coverage it wants.
edit: leonard (from big bang theory) Metagross-Mega is Psychic/Steel which is inconvenient for you
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Name of the Pokemon: Metagross-Mega
Role(s): Tank, All Out Attacker
Type: Psychic/Steel
Abilities: Mechanical Body
Stat Distribution: 80/150/145/65/125/50 | 615 (+25 Atk, +40 Def, +60 SpD, -25 Spe)
Movepool Additions: Mind Punch
Custom Elements: Mechanical Body: This Pokémon can't be Burned, Paralysed or Poisoned. Each time this Pokémon should get status its Attack rises by one stage. (Synchronoise+Water Veil+Sap Sipper mixed)
Mind Punch: Psychic-type Drain Punch
Justification: Megagross punish the Glare spam and is a good defensive Mega for bulky offensive team that wants a status absorber and switch-in to Nihilego and Psychic-types such as Unown, Mew and Poipole. It struggles with the same Pokémon than its base form, which eases to switch into it. Mind Punch is also a nice addition because Megagross has no healing option and regular Metagross often doesn't run a Psychic STAB move.
Metagross Speed is 75 so your Megagross should have 55 base Speed.
Name of the Pokemon: Metagross-Mega
Role(s): Offensive Trick Room setter, Trick Room abuser
Type: Psychic/Steel
Abilities: Sheer Force
Stat Distribution: 80/145/135/105/105/45 (+20 Atk, +30 Def, +40 SpA, +40 SpD, -20 Spe)
New Moves: Trick Room
Justification: Trick Room is not really seen in the metagame, so Metagross-Mega is a good addition to provide Trick Room support. It's balanced in that it doesn't gain much power from Mega Evolving, and it still lacks the coverage it wants.
edit: leonard (from big bang theory) Metagross-Mega is Psychic/Steel which is inconvenient for you
Name of the Pokemon: Metagross-Mega
Role(s): Trapper, Physical Wallbreaker
Type:
Ability: Download
Stat Distribution: 80 / 145 (+20) / 85 (-20) / 115 (+50) / 100 (+35) / 90 (+15)
Movepool Additions: Flamethrower, Drone Strike
Custom Elements: Drone Strike: Steel-type Pursuit clone
Justification: Mega Metagross uses it's powerful offenses and Download to abuse mixed sets. Drone Strike can be used to trap steel-weak threats like Nihilego, Audino, and Gardevoir. Flamethrower can break through Forretress who normally walls Metagross. However, Mega Metagross is kept in check by a middling speed tier and mediocre physical bulk, allowing it to be revenge killed by pokemon such as Pangoro, Kommo-o, and Sharpedo-Mega.
Name of the Pokemon: Metagross-Mega
Role(s): Mixed Attacker,
Type:
Ability: Molten Metal - This pokemon's Steel-type attacks become Fire-type and gain 20% extra damage
Stat Distribution: 80 / 140 (+15) / 90 (-15) / 110 (+35) / 110 (+35) / 90 (+15)
Movepool Additions: Double Iron Bash ( just kidding )
Justification: If you have a burning Mew sensation or a Forretress lasting longer than 4 hours, then twice-daily Metagross-Mega is the prescription for you! This version undergoes a very significant transformation, changing its typing as well as its defensive bias; due to nature of its ability it gets to keep Steel STAB in base form without having to run extra attacks. Turning the tables on Forretress is very satisfying, as is nailing Mega Swampert, Rhydon, and Cloyster with Grass Knot. However, certain matchups, such as those vs. Dragon and Rock types like Meganium and Lycanroc, are weaker for Metagross-Mega than they are for Choice Band Metagross, so it should balance out. There also just aren't many Fire types in Clean Slate, so there's that.
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Metagross-Mega: Scoopapa, Leonard, Brodaha
Metagross-Mega: Leonard, Scoopapa, Anaconja