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[Pokemon guy]

I have the counter.
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This thing can absolutely destroy Necturna.
Torkoal @ Choice Specs
Ability: White Smoke
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
My calculations:
252+ Atk Choice Band Necturna V-create vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Torkoal: 95-112 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Necturna Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Torkoal: 95-112 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Necturna Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Torkoal: 64-76 (22.7 - 27%) -- 38.2% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Torkoal: 111-132 (39.5 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
on the other hand:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Necturna: 378-446 (140.5 - 165.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you forgot rocks
252+ Atk Choice Band Necturna Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Torkoal: 111-132 (39.5 - 46.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[EpicUmbreon29]

Hatterene (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Mystical Fire
- Psyshock

Torkoal's moves:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene: 238-280 (74.8 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene: 216-255 (67.9 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene: 158-186 (49.6 - 58.4%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene: 119-140 (37.4 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Hatterene outspeeds, and in return:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hatterene Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Torkoal: 334-394 (118.8 - 140.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Overall a pretty minimalist set focused on maximizing damage; Psychic and Psyshock are run together here to make it more difficult for a Pokemon to counter by being purely specially or physically defensive.

 

[MrPanda]

Copperajah @ Assault Vest
Adamant Nature
Ability: Heavy Metal
EVs: 252 Atk / 172 SpD / 84 Spe
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Power Whip
- Heat Crash

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hatterene Psychic vs. 0 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Copperajah: 91-108 (23.6 - 28%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hatterene Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Copperajah: 81-96 (21 - 24.9%) -- 18.9% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hatterene Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Copperajah: 204-240 (52.9 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hatterene Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Copperajah: 151-178 (39.2 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Copperajah Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hatterene: 446-528 (140.2 - 166%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Copperajah outspeeds and KOes Hatterene.

 

[Pokemon guy]

Rotom-Heat @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Timid Nature
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
- Nasty Plot
- Overheat
- Discharge
- Pain Split

252+ Atk Copperajah Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Heat: 51-60 (16.8 - 19.8%) -- guaranteed 6HKO
252+ Atk Copperajah Power Whip vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Heat: 68-80 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 14.8% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Copperajah Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Heat: 68-80 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 14.8% chance to 4HKO
8 SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat over 2 turns vs. 0 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Copperajah: 324-382 (84.1 - 99.2%) -- 31.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[SunMYSER]

Pajantom @ Choice Band
Ability: Comatose
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spirit Shackle
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch

252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Outrage vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Heat: 282-333 (93 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Spirit Shackle vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Heat: 189-223 (62.3 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 8 SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pajantom: 134-158 (43.3 - 51.1%) -- 5.5% chance to 2HKO

Outspeeds, and nearly oneshots with Outrage, and if it doesnt, you could always shackle it. Plus theres the fun little calc below.

+6 8 SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pajantom: 267-315 (86.4 - 101.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

 

[meamdefinitely4]

Taillow(Focus Sash)
no evs or ivs
-Endeavor
-Quick Attack
It has Scrappy and yeah its dead bye bye

 

[MrPanda]

Taillow(Focus Sash)
no evs or ivs
-Endeavor
-Quick Attack
It has Scrappy and yeah its dead bye bye

There are just a few rules

1. A counter is defined as a Pokemon that can switch in and beat the Pokemon it is switching in to.
3. FOCUS SASH IS BANNED - Hopefully this is self-explanatory; this item gives freedom to many Pokemon to defeat a bunch of mons they wouldn't normally counter. So please don't submit mons with Focus Sash.
6. Don't post terribly unviable sets for the sake of posting terribly unviable sets. It goes against the spirit of this project, as it requires next to no thought for the next poster to counter the mon, and it doesn't teach us any relevant information about the metagame. I'm completely fine with niche or lesser used mons being used, but not intentional garbage mons (use your judgement).

Please, read the rules before you post in the thread.

 

[かたわれ時]

I used 1v1, but the OU Life Orb set but with Choice Band works too


Durant @ Choice Band
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- First Impression
- Iron Head
- Superpower
- Giga Impact

Vs Durant
252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Spirit Shackle vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 181-214 (70.4 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 135-160 (52.5 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 151-178 (58.7 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Pajantom Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 56-67 (21.7 - 26%) -- 4.4% chance to 4HKO

Vs Pajantom
252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pajantom: 342-403 (110.6 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Fight fire with Fire. Pajantom was a pain to counter, but 80% chance to kill is good odds

 

[Gleeboop]

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Poltergeist
- Earthquake

I think its pretty obvious. Durant can't really damage it since all of its attacks are resisted or don't affect this at all and flare blitz is a guaranteed OHKO.

 

[MrPanda]

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Poltergeist
- Earthquake

I think its pretty obvious. Durant can't really damage it since all of its attacks are resisted or don't affect this at all and flare blitz is a guaranteed OHKO.

So, actually, Iron Head has a chance to 2HKO Marowak-A, and if you add Stealth Rock to the calcs it becomes a guaranteed 2HKO. I don't know what the others think about that, but I'm not much sure about the validity of this set.

The calcs that I'm talking about:

252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 119-141 (45.5 - 54%) -- 46.5% chance to 2HKO

252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 119-141 (45.5 - 54%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Gleeboop]

So, actually, Iron Head has a chance to 2HKO Marowak-A, and if you add Stealth Rock to the calcs it becomes a guaranteed 2HKO. I don't know what the others think about that, but I'm not much sure about the validity of this set.

The calcs that I'm talking about:

252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 119-141 (45.5 - 54%) -- 46.5% chance to 2HKO

252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 119-141 (45.5 - 54%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Mate... 252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 1128-1332 (438.9 - 518.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO. The flinch chance is 30%, so it'll win most of the time.

 

[MrPanda]

Mate... 252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Durant: 1128-1332 (438.9 - 518.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO. The flinch chance is 30%, so it'll win most of the time.

If you read the rules in the OP you know that, by the rules, you must switch into the Pokémon before you attack. Durant outspeeds Marowak-A, thus Marowak takes two hits before it attacks. With rocks up, Marowak has an initial 64% chance to lose (considering the Hustle miss chance that I missed in the former calcs) what makes it invalid. Probably you can make it up by putting some Speed EVs in HP, but the way how it's now it doesn't work.

 

[Gleeboop]

Sorry, fixed it:



Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Poltergeist
- Earthquake

52 Atk Choice Band Hustle Durant Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 119-141 (36.7 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

 

[MrPanda]

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Nasty Plot
- Dark Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Roost

252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 169-200 (52 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Poltergeist (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 155-183 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Marowak-Alola: 398-471 (122.8 - 145.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Gleeboop]

Urshifu @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Wicked Blow
- Close Combat
- Iron Head
- U-turn

252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu: 168-198 (49.2 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 428-506 (131.6 - 155.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[MrPanda]

That was hard, but desperate times require desperate measures. So, PU to the rescue!

Mawile @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 236 HP / 20 Atk / 252 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Play Rough
- Toxic
- Knock Off

-1 252 Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 236 HP / 252+ Def Mawile on a critical hit: 78-93 (26 - 31%) -- 73.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 252+ Def Mawile: 105-124 (35 - 41.3%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Urshifu Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 252+ Def Mawile: 47-56 (15.6 - 18.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

20 Atk Mawile Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu: 348-412 (102 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Gleeboop]

Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Trick

20 Atk Mawile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 136-162 (52.1 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Mawile: 630-744 (210 - 248%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Chandelure still outspeeds after losing scarf. Nice choice though!

 

[SunMYSER]

If the Mr.Panda's post aint proof that Ushi needs to be on the radar, i dont know what is lol. ANYWAYS

Mollux @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
- Recover
- Lava Plume
- Sludge Bomb
- Calm Mind

Mollux aint too threatened by anything Chandelure can do if locked into a move, acting as a win condition with CM+recover. Getting Tricked aint the best, but what can ya do.

0 SpA Mollux Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 66-78 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Mollux: 100-118 (25.3 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

 

[Gleeboop]

If the Mr.Panda's post aint proof that Ushi needs to be on the radar, i dont know what is lol. ANYWAYS

Mollux @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
- Recover
- Lava Plume
- Sludge Bomb
- Calm Mind

Mollux aint too threatened by anything Chandelure can do if locked into a move, acting as a win condition with CM+recover. Getting Tricked aint the best, but what can ya do.

0 SpA Mollux Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 66-78 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Mollux: 100-118 (25.3 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

2 things. Number 1: You need to predict what mon is coming in as an Urshifu player or be locked into a bad move, so while its broken as hell in theory, it really isn't that broken in practice. Number 2 (more important for this thread): Mollux needs to switch in and kill it. With both being 4HKOs, Mollux will die faster.

 

[SunMYSER]

2 things. Number 1: You need to predict what mon is coming in as an Urshifu player or be locked into a bad move, so while its broken as hell in theory, it really isn't that broken in practice. Number 2 (more important for this thread): Mollux needs to switch in and kill it. With both being 4HKOs, Mollux will die faster.

Mollux has recover my guy. It can spam calm mind+recover, and wait for the attacks to not matter. And while i dont think this is the thread to place my issues with Urshi (genuinely my mistake, meant it as more of a joke), i do think that every team needing at least 2 semi dedicated walls for it is a BIT centralizing. If you wanna hear more feel free to DM me eh?

 

[Gleeboop]

Colossoil @ Flame Orb
Adamant Nature
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Facade
- Sucker Punch

252+ Atk Guts Colossoil Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mollux: 1200-1416 (304.5 - 359.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Mollux Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Colossoil: 142-168 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
0 SpA Mollux Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Colossoil: 80-94 (19.6 - 23%) -- 96% chance to 4HKO after burn damage

 

[Pokemon guy]

Welp

Tomohawk @ Rocky Helmet
Bold Nature
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Hurricane
- Aura Sphere
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

-1 252+ Atk Guts Colossoil Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tomohawk: 124-146 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

-1 252+ Atk Guts Colossoil Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tomohawk: 64-76 (15.4 - 18.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock

4 SpA Tomohawk Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Colossoil: 254-302 (62.4 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage

 

[Gleeboop]

Ok, meet this:

Plasmanta @ Life Orb
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Sludge Bomb
- Body Press
- Magnet Rise

4 SpA Tomohawk Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Plasmanta: 76-90 (29.1 - 34.4%) -- 4.2% chance to 3HKO
4 SpA Tomohawk Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Plasmanta: 55-66 (21 - 25.2%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Discharge vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tomohawk: 413-486 (99.7 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Yes, Plasmanta is potentially worth running. Ohmagod.

 

[MrPanda]

Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt

252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Discharge vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 108-127 (34 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Plasmanta Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 121-143 (38.1 - 45.1%) -- 7.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Plasmanta: 331-390 (126.8 - 149.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Plasm relies on either Dragapult being full para by Discharge or two Draco misses to win.

 

[Pokemon guy]

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
- Hyper Voice
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon: 108-127 (27.4 - 32.2%) -- 57.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 320-378 (100.9 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO