It seriously won't be making sense if I don't put one of the biggest threats in LC as a topic will it? I know its counters are kind of known but as you said I chose LO to be able to have some discussion unlike the boring Eviolite set.
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Project Counter that Threat! 21st Week: Snover - Counters Submissions
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Pawniard @ Eviolite
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brick Break
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brick Break
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
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my bad midas didn't see your reservation.
Mienfoo @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 196 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Acrobatics
- U-turn
Mienfoo lives LO Iron Head + Sucker Punch even with max damage rolls and Stealth Rock, then outspeeds and KOs Pawniard with Drain Punch. One of the best counters since it can check Pawniard several times thanks to Regen and Drain Punch healing, and U-turn keeps momentum in your team's favor.
Mienfoo @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 196 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Acrobatics
- U-turn
Mienfoo lives LO Iron Head + Sucker Punch even with max damage rolls and Stealth Rock, then outspeeds and KOs Pawniard with Drain Punch. One of the best counters since it can check Pawniard several times thanks to Regen and Drain Punch healing, and U-turn keeps momentum in your team's favor.
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-13 (42.8 - 61.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 5-8 (23.8 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 4-6 (19 - 28.5%) -- 18.9% chance to 4HKO
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Mienfoo Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Pawniard: 36-48 (189.4 - 252.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 5-8 (23.8 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 4-6 (19 - 28.5%) -- 18.9% chance to 4HKO
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Mienfoo Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Pawniard: 36-48 (189.4 - 252.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sorry but kingmidas reserved Mienfoo already, you're free to choose something else if you want.
Mienfoo @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 196 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Acrobatics
- U-turn
Mienfoo lives LO Iron Head + Sucker Punch even with max damage rolls and Stealth Rock, then outspeeds and KOs Pawniard with Drain Punch. One of the best counters since it can check Pawniard several times thanks to Regen and Drain Punch healing, and U-turn keeps momentum in your team's favor.
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-13 (42.8 - 61.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 5-8 (23.8 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 4-6 (19 - 28.5%) -- 18.9% chance to 4HKO
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Mienfoo Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Pawniard: 36-48 (189.4 - 252.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
and I just posted,
(12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 16)
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 5-8 (21.7 - 34.7%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO
(5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
your gunk set has 23 hp so 2 high rolls and you're done, therefore not a counter, + you need full health, and SR cuts 1 hp I think so with that sucker punch needs a mid roll only.
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Iron Head vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 12-16 (52.1 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 16)
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 5-8 (21.7 - 34.7%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO
(5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
your gunk set has 23 hp so 2 high rolls and you're done, therefore not a counter, + you need full health, and SR cuts 1 hp I think so with that sucker punch needs a mid roll only.
lol this week was just a race of who can reserve fighting-types first. With the most viable options already reserved, might as well post physically defensive carv
Carvanha @ Eviolite
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 196 Def / 76 SpA
Bold Nature
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Scald
- Taunt
- Toxic
hard counters LO SD pawn, and is also not viable.
Carvanha @ Eviolite
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 196 Def / 76 SpA
Bold Nature
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Scald
- Taunt
- Toxic
hard counters LO SD pawn, and is also not viable.
if carv comes in on SD
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Carvanha: 13-16 (59 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
if carv comes in on knock off
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Carvanha: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Carvanha: 8-10 (36.3 - 45.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
lives in all situations after rocks, so it's a counter
click hp fighting and win
76 SpA Carvanha Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 24-32 (126.3 - 168.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Carvanha: 13-16 (59 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
if carv comes in on knock off
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Carvanha: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Carvanha: 8-10 (36.3 - 45.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
lives in all situations after rocks, so it's a counter
click hp fighting and win
76 SpA Carvanha Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 24-32 (126.3 - 168.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
edit: ignore this
Shellos (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Recover
Shellos is a good counter to pawniard, because of its ability sticky hold, which means pawniard can't knock off its eviolite, and its water typing, which means it resists iron head. Hidden Power fighting will always ko pawniard.
Calcs:
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (65 BP) vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-12 (33.3 - 44.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-13 (33.3 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Shellos Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 20-28 (105.2 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Shellos (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Recover
Shellos is a good counter to pawniard, because of its ability sticky hold, which means pawniard can't knock off its eviolite, and its water typing, which means it resists iron head. Hidden Power fighting will always ko pawniard.
Calcs:
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (65 BP) vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-12 (33.3 - 44.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-13 (33.3 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Shellos Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 20-28 (105.2 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Shellos loses if Pawniard uses Swords Dance
Shellos (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Recover
Shellos is a good counter to pawniard, because of its ability sticky hold, which means pawniard can't knock off its eviolite, and its water typing, which means it resists iron head. Hidden Power fighting will always ko pawniard.
Calcs:
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (65 BP) vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-12 (33.3 - 44.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-13 (33.3 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Shellos Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 20-28 (105.2 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 23-29 (85.1 - 107.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
edit: actually, Shellos dies to two Knock Offs as well (sticky hold doesn't prevent the 1.5x boost, only item removal)
236 Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 12-16 (44.4 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
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oh my bad, i didnt think it got the boost
Sr is up in every calc, also I am not even sure it isn't 2hkoed by knock off without Sr up
Tyrogue (M) @ Berry Juice
Ability: Steadfast
Level: 5
EVs: 156 HP / 236 Def / 76 SpA
Bold Nature
- Fake Out
- Vacuum Wave
- Rapid Spin
- Thief
Um it can spin for you, it can take people's items and be a bitch, it can have revenge killing, and it isn't mainstream? Um don't use mienfoo use tyrogue. ya.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/lc-182579121
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/lc-182578331
nuff' said.
mienfoo
Aerow's Timburr
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