Cradily QC (0/3)

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BARNACLES!
[SET]
name: Ubers Support
move 1: Recover
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Stealth Rock
item: Leftovers
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

  • A reallllly good Gastrodon for sand teams.
  • Counters Specs Ogre, lives Specs Ice beam! Can then have sand team switch to TTar for trolling / Pursuiting.
  • Decent bulk lets it be OK if plans go unintended (sand isn't up)
  • stomachs Draco Meteors in sand, takes a tiny 50% from modest specs base 150 ones (438 spa) and can can recover them off! Decent chance the same ones won't OHKO either in weather not sand.
  • Resists Extremespeed and takes neutral damage from EQ, decent defense lets it be an OK switch-in to Exkiller (espeed does (44.15% - 52.13%) and EQ does (61.70% - 72.61%) from Silk scarfed Adamant mx atk invested ones).
  • Steel, Bug, and Fighting type moves uncommon means little chance of being hit SE wise by them.
  • NOT 2HKOed by Support Groudon. 2HKOes in return.
  • Not 2HKOed by Scarf Ice Beam from Scarf Timid Ogre. 2HKOes in return.
Set comments:
  • Should only be used on sand
  • Grass move hits Ogre Super effectively, not Taunt bait, gets STAB
  • Giga Drain Restores health, Grass Knot hits harder then Gdrain, Seed Bomb hits Ogre harder then before mentioned moves but is weaker against Groudon. Attacking bases are the same -_-
  • Recover is recover who doesn't love its recovery.
  • Toxic prevents it from being set-up
  • Can also supply SR if team lacks the move.
Additional comments:
  • Likes CB TTar for sand supporter not hippo, since it gets pursuit.
  • Hates status = Cleric or Restalker on team appreciated.
  • HP Fire if you wanna troll Ferrotroll
  • Its slow... don't expect it to outspeed anything.
  • Hates Steelceus, Fightceus and Bugceus, partners to get rid of those are appreciated, Support Arceus gets Perish Song, which is pretty good. Ghostceus and Poisonceus are perfered since former spin blocks, latter absorbs tspikes. Also only reason to use this is to free up Arceus slot (look at Rock all for more information).
  • Plays mind games with Mewtwo, since Asphere and Ice Beam tickle in sand (+1 Timid w/t LO Fails to 2HKO w/t SR support lol) although Psystrike OHKOes, they may not use it because of TTar.
  • Physically defensive spread is nice, but the Special Bulk is better due to the common nature of Special Attacks Fired everywhere.
  • Gira-o is nice, good synergy + Destroys Mewtwo, can switch into Asphere
  • Excadril clears spikes from the field and loves sand.
  • Cradily is a fine Electric resist, it can easily stomach attacks like Scarf Zekroms Bolt Strike and cripple the opposition with Toxic. Good for sand teams that lack one.
Other Options:
  • Mirror Coat
  • Seed Bomb
  • Curse
  • Rock Slide / Stone Edge
  • Earthquake
  • Tickle
Checks and Counters:
  • BU Dialga
  • Steel-types with a set up move or Steelceus NOT ferrothorn though.
  • Fightceus
  • Jirachi
  • Heatran
  • Toxic it and you've killed it
  • Toxic Spikes
  • Taunt is annoying.
  • Terrakion
A sample team!
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Low Kick
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Cradily (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock

Arceus @ Life Orb
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Atk / 124 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- ExtremeSpeed
- Shadow Claw
- Earthquake

Xatu (M) @ Light Clay
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- U-turn
- Roost

Giratina-O @ Griseous Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 236 Atk / 224 SAtk / 48 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Draco Meteor
- Aura Sphere
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak

Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 112 SDef / 144 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Lava Plume


Them logs...

Battle between Sights and [DD]Arakiri started!

Tier: Standard Ubers
Mode: Singles
Variation: +24, -46
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Your team: Tyranitar / Cradily / Arceus / Xatu / Giratina-O / Heatran
Opponent's team: Kyogre / Thundurus / Lugia / Dialga / Arceus / Manaphy

[DD]Arakiri sent out Sto cazzo!! (Dialga)
Sights sent out Tyranitar!
The foe's Sto cazzo! is exerting its Pressure!
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 1
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Sto cazzo! used Stealth Rock!
The foe's Sto cazzo!'s Stealth Rock was bounced back by Magic Mirror!
Pointed stones float in the air around [DD]Arakiri's team!

The sandstorm rages!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 2
The foe's Sto cazzo! used Dragon Claw!
Xatu lost 132 HP! (39% of its health)

Xatu used Light Screen!
Light Screen raised Sights's team special defense!

The sandstorm rages!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 3
The foe's Sto cazzo! used Dragon Claw!
Xatu lost 123 HP! (36% of its health)

Xatu used Roost!
Xatu landed on the ground!
Xatu regained health!

The sandstorm rages!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 4
[DD]Arakiri called Sto cazzo! back!
[DD]Arakiri sent out Moby Fuck! (Kyogre)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Moby Fuck!

The foe's Moby Fuck's Drizzle made it rain!
Sights called Xatu back!
Sights sent out Heatran!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 5
Sights called Heatran back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Moby Fuck used Water Spout!
Cradily's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 6
[DD]Arakiri called Moby Fuck back!
[DD]Arakiri sent out Fuck Mosè! (Lugia)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Fuck Mosè!

The foe's Fuck Mosè is exerting its Pressure!
Cradily used Stealth Rock!
But it failed!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Fuck Mosè restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Heatran!

The foe's Fuck Mosè used Calm Mind!
The foe's Fuck Mosè's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Fuck Mosè's Sp. Def. rose!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Fuck Mosè restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Fuck Mosè used Calm Mind!
The foe's Fuck Mosè's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Fuck Mosè's Sp. Def. rose!

Heatran used Taunt!
The foe's Fuck Mosè fell for the taunt!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Fuck Mosè restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
Sights called Heatran back!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!

Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
The foe's Fuck Mosè used Aeroblast!
It's not very effective...
Tyranitar lost 51 HP! (12% of its health)

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Fuck Mosè is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Fuck Mosè restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Sights's light screen wore off!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Fuck Mosè used Aeroblast!
It's not very effective...
Tyranitar lost 95 HP! (23% of its health)

Tyranitar used Pursuit!
It's super effective!
The foe's Fuck Mosè lost 44% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Fuck Mosè is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Fuck Mosè restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Fuck Mosè used Aeroblast!
It's not very effective...
Tyranitar lost 100 HP! (24% of its health)

Tyranitar used Pursuit!
It's super effective!
The foe's Fuck Mosè lost 44% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Fuck Mosè is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Fuck Mosè fainted!
[DD]Arakiri sent out Moby Fuck! (Kyogre)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Moby Fuck!

The foe's Moby Fuck's Drizzle made it rain!

Start of turn 12
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Moby Fuck used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Cradily lost 160 HP! (42% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
[DD]Arakiri called Moby Fuck back!
[DD]Arakiri sent out Il dio ahaha! (Arceus-Ghost)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Il dio ahaha!

Cradily used Recover!
Cradily regained health!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 14
The foe's Il dio ahaha used Cosmic Power!
The foe's Il dio ahaha's Defense rose!
The foe's Il dio ahaha's Sp. Def. rose!

Cradily used Toxic!
The foe's Il dio ahaha was poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 15
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!

Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
The foe's Il dio ahaha used Swords Dance!
The foe's Il dio ahaha's Attack sharply rose!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 16
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Giratina-O!

The foe's Il dio ahaha vanished instantly!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Giratina-O is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 17
Sights called Giratina-O back!
Sights sent out Arceus!

The foe's Il dio ahaha used Shadow Force!
It had no effect!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Arceus is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Il dio ahaha is hurt by poison!


Battle between Sights and Earthduster started!

Tier: Standard Ubers
Mode: Singles
Variation: +75, -15
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Your team: Tyranitar / Cradily / Arceus / Xatu / Giratina-O / Heatran
Opponent's team: Deoxys-S / Kyogre / Rayquaza / Arceus / Shaymin-S / Dialga

Earthduster sent out Deoxys-S!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!
The foe's Deoxys-S is exerting its Pressure!
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 1
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Deoxys-S used Reflect!
Reflect raised Earthduster's team defense!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Deoxys-S is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 2
Earthduster called Deoxys-S back!
Earthduster sent out Kyogre!

The foe's Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!
Xatu used Light Screen!
Light Screen raised Sights's team special defense!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 3
Sights called Xatu back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Kyogre used Water Spout!
Cradily's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 4
Earthduster called Kyogre back!
Earthduster sent out Shaymin-S!

Cradily used Toxic!
The foe's Shaymin-S was poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Shaymin-S used Air Slash!
Cradily lost 49 HP! (13% of its health)

Cradily flinched!

Rain continues to fall!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Shaymin-S is hurt by poison!
Earthduster's reflect wore off!

Start of turn 6
Earthduster called Shaymin-S back!
Earthduster sent out Dialga!

The foe's Dialga is exerting its Pressure!
Cradily used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Earthduster's team!

Rain continues to fall!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Dialga used Aura Sphere!
It's not very effective...
Xatu lost 35 HP! (10% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!

Rages...


Battle between Fernan219 and Sights started!

Tier: Standard Ubers
Mode: Singles
Variation: +26, -24
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Your team: Tyranitar / Cradily / Arceus / Xatu / Giratina-O / Heatran
Opponent's team: Scizor / Giratina / Dialga / Forretress / Arceus / Kyogre

Sights sent out Tyranitar!
Fernan219 sent out Arceus!
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 1
The foe's Arceus used Swords Dance!
The foe's Arceus's Attack sharply rose!

Tyranitar used Low Kick!
It's super effective!
The foe's Arceus lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Arceus fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
Sights: derp?
Fernan219 sent out Scizor!

Start of turn 2
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Giratina-O!

The foe's Scizor used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
Giratina-O lost 107 HP! (24% of its health)
Fernan219 called Scizor back!
Fernan219 sent out Kyogre!

The foe's Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 3
Sights called Giratina-O back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Kyogre used Substitute!
The foe's Kyogre made a substitute!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Kyogre used Calm Mind!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Def. rose!

Cradily used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
The foe's Kyogre's substitute faded!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!

Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
The foe's Kyogre used Calm Mind!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Def. rose!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Kyogre is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Kyogre used Scald!
Cradily's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Kyogre is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Kyogre used Calm Mind!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Kyogre's Sp. Def. rose!

Cradily used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
The foe's Kyogre lost 28% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Kyogre is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Kyogre restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Kyogre used Thunder!
The attack of the foe's Kyogre missed!

Cradily used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
The foe's Kyogre lost 58% of its health!
The foe's Kyogre fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
Sights: sorry
Fernan219 sent out Scizor!

Start of turn 9
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Giratina-O!

The foe's Scizor used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
Giratina-O lost 95 HP! (21% of its health)
Fernan219 called Scizor back!
Fernan219 sent out Dialga!

The foe's Dialga is exerting its Pressure!

The sandstorm rages!
Giratina-O is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 10
Giratina-O used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
The foe's Dialga lost 59% of its health!

The foe's Dialga used Draco Meteor!
It's super effective!
Giratina-O lost 212 HP! (48% of its health)
Giratina-O fainted!
The foe's Dialga's Sp. Att. sharply fell!
The foe's Dialga is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sandstorm rages!
Sights sent out Arceus!

Start of turn 11
Arceus used Swords Dance!
Arceus's Attack sharply rose!

The foe's Dialga used Outrage!
Arceus lost 240 HP! (57% of its health)
The foe's Dialga is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sandstorm rages!
Arceus is buffeted by the sandstorm!

Start of turn 12
Arceus used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Dialga lost 20% of its health!
The foe's Dialga fainted!
Arceus is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sandstorm rages!
Arceus is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Fernan219 sent out Scizor!

Start of turn 13
Arceus used ExtremeSpeed!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Scizor lost 59% of its health!
Arceus is hurt by its Life Orb!

The foe's Scizor used Bullet Punch!
Arceus lost 42 HP! (10% of its health)
Arceus fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
Sights sent out Heatran!

Start of turn 14
Fernan219 called Scizor back!
Fernan219 sent out Giratina!

The foe's Giratina is exerting its Pressure!
Heatran used Substitute!
Heatran made a substitute!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Giratina is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Heatran used Taunt!
The foe's Giratina fell for the taunt!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
It's not very effective...
Heatran's substitute took the damage!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Giratina is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
Heatran used Toxic!
The foe's Giratina was poisoned!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
It's not very effective...
Heatran's substitute took the damage!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Giratina is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 17
Heatran used Lava Plume!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Giratina lost 9% of its health!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
It's not very effective...
Heatran's substitute faded!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Giratina is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina is hurt by poison!
The foe's Giratina's taunt ended!


I'll try to collect more but I get a ton of d/c's with Cradily's team :(.
 
Some advices,

First of all remove the Sassy nature and the 0 Speed IV.

- Cradily can easily Recover stall 8 Gyro Balls, which is not a move so common on Ferrothorn in the first place
- Base 43 Speed outruns Gastrodon or Forretress, there is no reason to not take advantage of it
- Cradily should NOT be staying on Ferrothorn anyway, unless you want to play with a full row of hazard on your side

Giga Drain is illegal with Egg Moves (Recover / Stealth Rock), remove it.

Move Seed Bomb to OO, STAB Grass Knot is a cool asset in Ubers and after a Storm Drain boost Cradily is decent at least. Seed Bomb is weak, to give you an idea you may not even break Mewtwo's Substitute.

Move Mirror Coat to AC/OO, the main niche Cradily has over Gastrodon is that it can setup Stealth Rock, so you can use Choice Band Tyranitar.

Stuff to mention

- Cradily is not 2HKOd by Support Groudon and can easily 2HKO it, that's a niche over Gastrodon
- Cradily is not 2HKOd by Scarf Ice Beam from Timid Kyogre
- Some other Arceus forms as partners, the only reason to use Cradily over Arceus Grass is to free your 'Arceus slot', I tested Arceus Water and it works quite well, you can lure in Ferrothorn and Will O Wisp / Fire Blast it, it also attracts Choice Thunders
- Mention max attack Choice Band Tyranitar as a partner, you only get one chance to Pursuit that Kyogre that killed Cradily with Ice Beam, you really need max investement to close the weather war. Max attack Tyranitar can also OHKO SDef Ferrothorn with Superpower
- Mewtwo OHKOs Cradily with a +1 Life Orb Psystrike, and it's still risky to switch to Tyranitar because Mewtwo might Aurasphere Cradily
- Giratina-O doesn't enjoy Sandstorm but has a good defensive sinergy with Tyranitar/Cradily and can Shadow Sneak Mewtwo
- Rapid Spin Excadrill as a partner since Cradily is Spikes fodder for everything
 

polop

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Koinell's stuff has been mentioned, only one thing I disagree on...

Seed Bomb is weak, to give you an idea you may not even break Mewtwo's Substitute.
Granted it is weak but it lets you 3HKO 252 HP Kyogre so Sub CM and Cro Kyogre don't destroy you, which is an advantage over Gastrobro.

Still moved it to OO though. Thanks for the extra stuff to add in though :D.
 
I have thought about using Cradily in Ubers before since Eo used it to some success. Mention Rock Slide because it easily KOes Ho-Oh on the switch in with Stealth Rocks. Stone Edge can do the same but stronger.

Terrakion makes Cradily sad with Close Combat but it doesn't enjoy Grass Knots though. In sand, Terrakion's Special Defense is actually boosted which means you can't OHKO it with Grass Knot or Seed Bomb.

Earthquake takes out Heatran who can be troublesome otherwise, with it's immunity to both Sandstorm and Toxic, laughs at Grass attacks too.

Tickle + Seed Bomb allows you to beat some Arceus forms such as Water or Ground. Cradily also resists Electric-type attacks which allows it to some what stall out Choice Scarf Zekrom as long as you don't come in on Outrage.

I will post more after testing this.
 

shrang

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I might test a Curse or SD set, but I'm just going to say that I do not like the support set. It's basically Gastrodon, but even more of dead weight. It does absolutely jack shit apart from just sit there. At least Gastro has Clear Smog to take out some stat boosts, all Cradily does is just sit there and let the opponent set a million layers of Spikes, or just set up. Calm Mind Kyogre beats Cradily if it gets the rain up as well.
 

polop

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I might test a Curse or SD set, but I'm just going to say that I do not like the support set. It's basically Gastrodon, but even more of dead weight. It does absolutely jack shit apart from just sit there. At least Gastro has Clear Smog to take out some stat boosts, all Cradily does is just sit there and let the opponent set a million layers of Spikes, or just set up. Calm Mind Kyogre beats Cradily if it gets the rain up as well.
Unlike Gastrodon, Cradily stomachs virtually any special hit barring Psyshock and Psystrike with ease in sand. The largest one of these is the ability to take around 50% from a Specs Draco Meteor in sand where as Gastrodon risks getting OHKOed after rocks and is always OHKOed after SR + 1 layer of Spikes, something Cradily avoids getting even 2HKOed by in sand. Cradily also provides SR and it should be noted that Grass Knot is much stronger then Gastro's Surf against Ogre. Also Cradily isn't complete dead weight against sun teams like Gastrodon. Calm Mind Kyogre does not beat Cradily, if it CM's on the switch then Tyranitar can come in on the boosted Ice Beam, set up Sandstorm preventing the same Ice Beam from now even 2HKOing, and can then switch back to Cradily to take the Water move and pound Kyogre with boosted Grass Knots / Toxic.

Lastly, unless Cradily has Hidden Power Fire or something, it should not be staying in on Ferrothorn who is the only likely user of spikes. Set-up users don't like being hit with Toxic. Just think of it as a Gastrodon for sand teams, besides if the enemy sets up a boost chances are Gastrobro will get OHKOed back by the boosted attack anyway upon switching in to remove the boost with Clear Smog. Cradily is also larger bait for Specs Ice Beam which TTar enjoys.

A Swords Dance set won't sweep due to its abyssamal Speed stat. Curse may stand a chance due to the attack boost so I'll move it to OO for now.

I have thought about using Cradily in Ubers before since Eo used it to some success. Mention Rock Slide because it easily KOes Ho-Oh on the switch in with Stealth Rocks. Stone Edge can do the same but stronger.

Terrakion makes Cradily sad with Close Combat but it doesn't enjoy Grass Knots though. In sand, Terrakion's Special Defense is actually boosted which means you can't OHKO it with Grass Knot or Seed Bomb.

Earthquake takes out Heatran who can be troublesome otherwise, with it's immunity to both Sandstorm and Toxic, laughs at Grass attacks too.

Tickle + Seed Bomb allows you to beat some Arceus forms such as Water or Ground. Cradily also resists Electric-type attacks which allows it to some what stall out Choice Scarf Zekrom as long as you don't come in on Outrage.

I will post more after testing this.
Shall mention all of this.
 

shrang

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Also Cradily isn't complete dead weight against sun teams like Gastrodon.
He actually is, possibly even more than Gastrodon. At least Gastrodon can Earth Power some Fire-types for a bit of damage. Groudon can switch-in without too much hassle and set up the sun (Grass Knot 2HKOs, but Cradily isn't always attacking). Cradily, on the other hand, can't do anything. Ho-oh sets up Subs on it, Reshiram doesn't care about anything, Heatran laughs at it, Blaziken sets up SD without worry at all, Victini nukes everything. For Grass-types, Venusaur is virtually immune to everything Cradily does, I'll give you Shiftry and Exeggutor (although Exeggutor can use Psyshock for a lot of damage), while Tangrowth sets up SD and beats you down with Power Whip.

My main problem with Cradily is that it simply just sits there (I never liked Gastrodon, either, by the way). Good walls also support the team in some way. Skarmory and Ferrothorn sets up Spikes, Blissey passes Wishes, Arceus burns stuff, Groudon attacks, Latias can potentially sweep and Hippowdon sets up Sand. They can do something productive with their time while Cradily wastes it. What's Cradily doing? Setting up Stealth Rock is the only thing I can see it doing, and that is only one turn. For the rest of the match, you're using 3 attacks that benefit nothing but Cradily. It's nice at sponging damage, but what I really hate it about is that it cannot do anything else.

By the way, I have tested this out, and it was pretty bad. The support set was just hazard fodder, and while I tested a Curse set, the one time things started to look promising (I set up 4 Curses on Ferrothorn, heh), it got killed by Mewtwo crit. Needless to say, I'm not very happy with the results so far. Maybe provide some logs of some success? I haven't been able to find any so far.
 

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He actually is, possibly even more than Gastrodon. At least Gastrodon can Earth Power some Fire-types for a bit of damage. Groudon can switch-in without too much hassle and set up the sun (Grass Knot 2HKOs, but Cradily isn't always attacking). Cradily, on the other hand, can't do anything. Ho-oh sets up Subs on it, Reshiram doesn't care about anything, Heatran laughs at it, Blaziken sets up SD without worry at all, Victini nukes everything. For Grass-types, Venusaur is virtually immune to everything Cradily does, I'll give you Shiftry and Exeggutor (although Exeggutor can use Psyshock for a lot of damage), while Tangrowth sets up SD and beats you down with Power Whip.
Ho-oh fears rock slide, heatran EQ, and all the others dont like toxic halting their sweep (excecpt Venusaur).

My main problem with Cradily is that it simply just sits there (I never liked Gastrodon, either, by the way). Good walls also support the team in some way. Skarmory and Ferrothorn sets up Spikes, Blissey passes Wishes, Arceus burns stuff, Groudon attacks, Latias can potentially sweep and Hippowdon sets up Sand. They can do something productive with their time while Cradily wastes it. What's Cradily doing? Setting up Stealth Rock is the only thing I can see it doing, and that is only one turn. For the rest of the match, you're using 3 attacks that benefit nothing but Cradily. It's nice at sponging damage, but what I really hate it about is that it cannot do anything else.
Passes toxic around after setting up Rocks, should I slash some of OO in over Rocks in case it is provided? After all luring and OHKOing stuff with EQ Slide and other moves sounds nice...

By the way, I have tested this out, and it was pretty bad. The support set was just hazard fodder, and while I tested a Curse set, the one time things started to look promising (I set up 4 Curses on Ferrothorn, heh), it got killed by Mewtwo crit. Needless to say, I'm not very happy with the results so far. Maybe provide some logs of some success? I haven't been able to find any so far.
I can write up a curse set, but it seems so... Toxic / phaze bait to me :(. I would like more QC opinions before moving it if its ok!

I think a team utilizing it is hard to picture so I'll post a team in the actual analysis along with some logs. It is a Ogre counter though so don't expect too much out of it, it did manage to beat Sub Cm though in a few battles! Something Gastrobro doesnt accomplish.
 

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Okay, I can't get this to work, and I asked barry about it, and he can't get it to work either. It would nice if you can get some logs (and don't cherrypick) of Cradily in action. I'm probably going to reject unless I see some very impressive logs.
 
Barry's Cradily team got destroyed by my Cradily team. Using it in a sand team also makes Cradily stack up some weaknesses with Tyranitar which sucks. Steel Arceus, Terrakion, and Excadrill are examples who threaten both.

Keep in mind Cradily isn't performing that well, shrang is right, set up Stealth Rock and sit there Toxic things I guess. The thing I like about Cradily is that Grass Knot can actually hurt things after a Special Attack boost, even Arceus takes decent damage from Grass Knot if Cradily managed to snag a boost.

Cradily does have Rock Slide or Stone Edge to deal with Ho-Oh. Reshiram doesn't enjoy it either, while Gastrodon can't do a thing to Ho-Oh. Gastrodon sucks already but it totally walls Specs Kyogre, Cradily gets smashed by Specs Ice Beam. Bad new is Cradily cannot carry Rock Slide and Grass Knot at the same time or it will have to drop something it does best.

Cradily is just free set up for all Spikes users. At least Gastrodon can try to burn them and Earthquake squashes Tentacruel.

Like what shrang said, post some logs to show Cradily in action. Don't post logs about winning a match with a Cradily team without Cradily actually doing something important though because I have lots of those.
 

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Cradily gets smashed by Specs Ice Beam. Bad new is Cradily cannot carry Rock Slide and Grass Knot at the same time or it will have to drop something it does best.
I have been considering moving some of OO into Sr but it Is the only decent Specs Ogre counter that gets SR. The idea with Specs Ice Beam is that you switch TTar in after the Ice beam hits cradily or you predict the move so that Ogre gets Insta-OHKOed upon fleeing from TTar since it Pursuits it into its doom, similar thing works with Scizor but TTar provides sand. The fact that 1 turn of Sand + SR is enough to gurantee the OHKO on Ogre (assuming max atk CB tar and no defense investment Ogre) makes Cradily more special.

School has been a tad bit troll some (and time consuming), so I will have some more logs ready in a few days since I can abuse the weekend :(. Sorry about the unintended delay...
 
Barry's Cradily team got destroyed by my Cradily team. Using it in a sand team also makes Cradily stack up some weaknesses with Tyranitar which sucks. Steel Arceus, Terrakion, and Excadrill are examples who threaten both
I knew that had to be trickroom, if it wasn't Shrang. ;-;

Frankly, I dont really like Cradily. It just SITS there and does nothing really. Shrang really outlines what I want to say in this post:

My main problem with Cradily is that it simply just sits there (I never liked Gastrodon, either, by the way). Good walls also support the team in some way. Skarmory and Ferrothorn sets up Spikes, Blissey passes Wishes, Arceus burns stuff, Groudon attacks, Latias can potentially sweep and Hippowdon sets up Sand. They can do something productive with their time while Cradily wastes it. What's Cradily doing? Setting up Stealth Rock is the only thing I can see it doing, and that is only one turn. For the rest of the match, you're using 3 attacks that benefit nothing but Cradily. It's nice at sponging damage, but what I really hate it about is that it cannot do anything else.
Gastrodon can damage some stuff with Earthquake and use Clear Smog to remove any boosts. Giratina can burn and phaze stuff but Cradily does nothing really. None of its attacks are remotely frightening to anyone. Also, being weak to Ice Beam really sucks for Cradily since it nearly dies after Specs Ogre Ice Beam. Also just keep in mind that since Cradily is switching into Kyogre, it wont really be taking hits in Sand. Also like Trickroom said, Cradily shares a lot of weaknesses with common elements in Sand teams which is its main draw.
 
Alright after testing this for quite a few matches, I have to saw Cradily just isn't worth using in Ubers. It's lack of real use outside of coming in on Kyogre sort of sucks.

Gastrodon brings a Ground-immune, Scald to at least do something besides Toxic, Earthquake touches Steel Arceus and Dialga! Cradily can't do a thing to them. Also Gastrodon learns Ice Beam which is actually pretty good to smack Rayquaza and Giratina-O. You don't need to use Cradily in your sand team to deal with Kyogre, to be honest I rather use something like Giratina or Grass Arceus.

What's worse, Cradily shares nasty weaknesses with Tyranitar, such as vs Fighting Arceus and Steel Arceus. Gastrodon can also fit in sand teams but it actually has a chance vs Fighting Arceus with Toxic and Clear Smog while Steel Arceus is walled completely.

Rock Slide as an advantage? If you use it, you have to drop Grass Knot, you can't touch Kyogre at all. Cradily is sort of like Porygon2, it may seem to have some use, but I am pretty sure it sucks in Ubers as I have tried it. Having good defenses alone aren't enough, especially when Cradily just sits there. You cannot compare it to Cresselia because the celestial duck actually beats a lot of Dragon-types and is the best CB/RP/SD Groudon counter, and in sun Moonlight becomes very useful, with Cresselia's immense bulk. It can also set up Screens to do something.

About the part where you play mind games with Mewtwo, I am sure a smart opponent will just Psytrike your Cradily instead of using Ice Beam/Aura Sphere if the weather is Sandstorm. Even if Cradily does come in on Aura Sphere, you can't do much in return but Mewtwo can even notch up another Calm Mind before finishing you off.

Sorry, but I cannot see Cradily being useful in Ubers. Curse set sucks because the weather changes all the time, Cradily's typing/bulk isn't the best either.


QC REJECTED 1/3
 

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Smogon server why you down :(. I managed to find one useful log, aside the other d/c's and stuff.


Battle between Sights and slip started!

Tier:
5th Gen Ubers
Mode: Singles
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause

slip sent out Giratina!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!
The foe's Giratina is exerting its Pressure!
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 1
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
Xatu lost 67 HP! (20% of its health)
Sights called Xatu back!
Arceus-Ghost was dragged out!

The sandstorm rages!
Arceus-Ghost is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Giratina is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
slip called Giratina back!
slip sent out Tentacruel!

Arceus-Ghost used Judgment!
The foe's Tentacruel lost 26% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
Arceus-Ghost is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 3
Sights called Arceus-Ghost back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes!
The foe's Tentacruel's Toxic Spikes was bounced back by Magic Mirror!
Xatu used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of slip's team!
But it failed!
But it failed!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
Sights called Xatu back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Tentacruel used Scald!
Cradily's Sp. Att. rose!
Cradily's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Tentacruel used Rapid Spin!
It's not very effective...
Cradily lost 6 HP! (1% of its health)
The foe's Tentacruel blew away Toxic Spikes!

Cradily used Grass Knot!
The foe's Tentacruel lost 18% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
slip called Tentacruel back!
slip sent out Ferrothorn!

Cradily used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around slip's team!

The sandstorm rages!

Start of turn 7
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

slip called Ferrothorn back!
slip sent out Tentacruel!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Tentacruel!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Xatu is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
Sights called Xatu back!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!

The foe's Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of Sights's team!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
The foe's Tentacruel is being sent back!
Tyranitar used Pursuit!
The foe's Tentacruel lost 42% of its health!
The foe's Tentacruel fainted!

slip called Tentacruel back!
slip sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Kyogre!

The foe's Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 10
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Cradily!
Cradily was poisoned!

The foe's Kyogre used Water Spout!
Cradily's Sp. Att. rose!
Cradily's Storm Drain raised its special attack!

Rain continues to fall!
Cradily is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 11
slip called Kyogre back!
slip sent out Giratina!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Giratina!

The foe's Giratina is exerting its Pressure!
Cradily used Toxic!
The foe's Giratina was badly poisoned!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina is hurt by poison!
Cradily is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 12
Sights called Cradily back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
Xatu lost 63 HP! (18% of its health)
Sights called Xatu back!
Excadrill was dragged out!
Excadrill is floating on a balloon!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Giratina is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 13
Sights called Excadrill back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Giratina used Dragon Tail!
Xatu lost 64 HP! (19% of its health)
Sights called Xatu back!
Arceus-Ghost was poisoned!
Arceus-Ghost was dragged out!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Giratina restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Arceus-Ghost is hurt by poison!
The foe's Giratina is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 14
slip called Giratina back!
slip sent out Palkia!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Palkia!

The foe's Palkia is exerting its Pressure!
Arceus-Ghost used Roar!
slip called Palkia back!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Groun!
The foe's Arceus-Groun was dragged out!

Rain continues to fall!
Arceus-Ghost is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 15
The foe's Arceus-Groun used Earthquake!
Arceus-Ghost lost 154 HP! (34% of its health)

Arceus-Ghost used Judgment!
The foe's Arceus-Groun lost 37% of its health!

Rain continues to fall!
Arceus-Ghost is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 16
Sights called Arceus-Ghost back!
Sights sent out Xatu!

The foe's Arceus-Groun used Swords Dance!
The foe's Arceus-Groun's Attack sharply rose!

Rain continues to fall!

Start of turn 17
The foe's Arceus-Groun used Stone Edge!
It's super effective!
Xatu lost 100 HP! (29% of its health)
Xatu fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!
Tyranitar was poisoned!

Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 18
Sights called Tyranitar back!
Sights sent out Arceus-Ghost!

The foe's Arceus-Groun used Earthquake!
Arceus-Ghost lost 71 HP! (15% of its health)
Arceus-Ghost fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
Sights sent out Excadrill!

Excadrill is floating on a balloon!

Start of turn 19
Excadrill used Earthquake!
The foe's Arceus-Groun lost 47% of its health!

The foe's Arceus-Groun used Stone Edge!
It's not very effective...
Excadrill lost 86 HP! (23% of its health)
Excadrill's Air Balloon popped!

The sandstorm rages!

Start of turn 20
Excadrill used Shadow Claw!
The foe's Arceus-Groun lost 9% of its health!
The foe's Arceus-Groun fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
slip sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Kyogre!

The foe's Kyogre's Drizzle made it rain!

Start of turn 21
Sights called Excadrill back!
Sights sent out Cradily!

The foe's Kyogre used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Cradily lost 294 HP! (78% of its health)

Rain continues to fall!
Cradily restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Cradily is hurt by poison!
Cradily fainted!
Sights sent out Tyranitar!

Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Kyogre is being sent back!
Tyranitar used Pursuit!
The foe's Kyogre lost 69% of its health!

slip called Kyogre back!
slip sent out Palkia!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Palkia!

The foe's Palkia is exerting its Pressure!
The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Palkia is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Tyranitar is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Palkia used Surf!
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 240 HP! (59% of its health)

Tyranitar used Pursuit!
The foe's Palkia lost 34% of its health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Palkia is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Tyranitar is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 24
The foe's Palkia used Surf!
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 64 HP! (15% of its health)
Tyranitar fainted!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Palkia is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Sights sent out Rayquaza!

Rayquaza has Air Lock!

Start of turn 25
slip called Palkia back!
slip sent out Ferrothorn!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Ferrothorn!

Rayquaza used Dragon Dance!
Rayquaza's Attack rose!
Rayquaza's Speed rose!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Ferrothorn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 26
The foe's Ferrothorn used Protect!
The foe's Ferrothorn protected itself!

Rayquaza used Dragon Dance!
Rayquaza's Attack rose!
Rayquaza's Speed rose!

The sandstorm rages!
slip: Fuck
slip: Fuck
slip: Fuck

Start of turn 27
Rayquaza used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ferrothorn lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Ferrothorn fainted!
Rayquaza is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sandstorm rages!
slip sent out Kyogre!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Kyogre!
The foe's Kyogre fainted!

slip sent out Palkia!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Palkia!

The foe's Palkia is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 28
Rayquaza used Outrage!
It's super effective!
The foe's Palkia lost 9% of its health!
The foe's Palkia fainted!
Rayquaza is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sandstorm rages!
slip sent out Giratina!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Giratina!

The foe's Giratina is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 29
Rayquaza used Outrage!
It's super effective!
The foe's Giratina lost 56% of its health!
The foe's Giratina fainted!
Rayquaza calmed down!
Rayquaza became confused!
Rayquaza is hurt by its Life Orb!

Sights won the battle!
Sights: gg


I honestly can't defend cradily from any of what Trickroom said, the idea with Cradily is to use it as a sponge / tank but it has its glaring weakness, which TR pointed out that hampers its use significantly. If Ice Beam is used on Cradily what happened to Kyogre in the log happens in the battle.

QC can have at the barnacles :P. If it is rejected I understand why.
 

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Yeah, I still can't make this work, and all Cradily do in that battle was to die and make Tyranitar look awesome. So yeah, better luck next time.

QC REJECTED 2/3
 
I tried out Cradily in Rain, Sun, and Sand just to see if it was worth it. In Sun, you get smashed by a whole lot of Fire types while in Rain, I thought why the hell am i not using Ferrothorn or Grass Arceus who perform a whole lot better. I just dont like Sand teams in real anyway and Cradily shares a lot of weaknesses with Tyranitar. Just sitting there and eating hits doesnt help either. You basically screaming "CRIT ME !" or "Hi Ferrothorn / Forretress / Skarmory wanna set up Spikes on me ? At least Gastrodon can do some damage to Forretress and Skarmory in Rain with Scald while Cradily does jack shit. Also apart from Toxic, Gastrodon can burn stuff with Scald and that makes Pokemon think twice before switching in. Also Gastrodon can hurt Dialga with Earth Power while Cradily has nothing. I was slightly optimistic about a Curse set but then I realised Curse + Storm Drain + Seed Bomb is illegal. -_- So yeah, no reason to use Cradily in Ubers over stuff like Ferrothorn. Just countering Kyogre isnt enough to get it an analysis.



also nice search text for the qc rejected image trickroom 9.9
 

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