NOC Divide and Conquer Mafia won by the Mafia (Phoopes and Evie)

The thing you people are missing is yes, voting in the 3 is technically a safe strategy. But it's also the strategy the scum team anticipate the town to do and designed the teams around.

The mafia member in the 6 is the actual carry.

The mafia member in the 3 is just there to obfuscate and distract and hopefully get mislynches from their POV.

Therefore I should ignore the "optimal mechanical decision" of solving the 3 first and instead, at least be open to the possibility of solving the 6 first. Because solving the 6 first places an unreal amount of pressure on the scum team, at least in the first few days. The mafia member in the 3 has no choice but to defend their partner because they cannot win alone.

That is the actual solution to this setup.
 
M2H said:
The thing you people are missing is yes, voting in the 3 is technically a safe strategy. But it's also the strategy the scum team anticipate the town to do and designed the teams around.

The mafia member in the 6 is the actual carry.

The mafia member in the 3 is just there to obfuscate and distract and hopefully get mislynches from their POV.

Therefore I should ignore the "optimal mechanical decision" of solving the 3 first and instead, at least be open to the possibility of solving the 6 first. Because solving the 6 first places an unreal amount of pressure on the scum team, at least in the first few days. The mafia member in the 3 has no choice but to defend their partner because they cannot win alone.

That is the actual solution to this setup.
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No? You have to hit a 1/6 first for this to even matter, and then, you're thinking that for some reason the mafia from the 3N would just go defend their partner?? That would just reveal that they're mafia. Even more nonsensical is the fact that you believe the one you're naming "Carry of the mafia team" would be the AFK player that has sent 2 messages. Anyways that doesnt even matter because mafia is already forced to send their strongest player to the 3N due to how the 3N neighborhood has been setup.
 
Is the extension happening? If not
##VOTE : Tommy

Insisting to vote the 6 neighborhood while everyone is saying no is the kind of things I do while I'm scum lmao
 
Peum said:
No? You have to hit a 1/6 first for this to even matter, and then, you're thinking that for some reason the mafia from the 3N would just go defend their partner?? That would just reveal that they're mafia. Even more nonsensical is the fact that you believe the one you're naming "Carry of the mafia team" would be the AFK player that has sent 2 messages. Anyways that doesnt even matter because mafia is already forced to send their strongest player to the 3N due to how the 3N neighborhood has been setup.
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Yes. They would be forced to. Mafia literally autoloses the game if 6N gets lynched day 1 or day 2.
 
Peum said:
day 2 they dont
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Hypothetically speaking if you were a person struggling to read the 3N group, which I personally am, what better way to try to read them by completely ignoring them and going after their partner they, at least today, have no choice but to protect.
 
M2H said:
Hypothetically speaking if you were a person struggling to read the 3N group, which I personally am, what better way to try to read them by completely ignoring them and going after their partner they, at least today, have no choice but to protect.
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all you would get from them is not a vote on the target you're hypothetically speaking of, this is of course, assuming that you've hit the 1/6. If you dont, we have to go into the 3N neighborhood again and we will not gain anything from this
 
Peum said:
1/6 1/3 1/2 suggests that you're inverting the order of 1/3 1/2 1/3 (this would be 1/6 in your order)
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tbh the numbers are flying a bit too hard now and people are going wow we can guarentee lylo

i think its a bad way of looking at it because the numbers mean less, the thing is, right now mafias kill is boxed in, and how mafia can use their kill is the best to look rn imo

its much better for town for mafia to kill the bigger group and narrow it for us, as long as we do not vote the mafia in the 3 person hood we force them to narrow the much harder pool for us, voting in that pool today forces their hand to do so because they cannot reduce the 3 person hood so long as we arent voting in it

when you ignore everything else, and stop throwing the numbers around that arent that helpful and dont just play to get to a really hard f3 where we may or may not lose, you can isolate today and make mafias hard a bit more difficult day 1 and thats always good for town, regardless of what we decide to do tomorrow
 
Tommy said:
tbh the numbers are flying a bit too hard now and people are going wow we can guarentee lylo

i think its a bad way of looking at it because the numbers mean less, the thing is, right now mafias kill is boxed in, and how mafia can use their kill is the best to look rn imo

its much better for town for mafia to kill the bigger group and narrow it for us, as long as we do not vote the mafia in the 3 person hood we force them to narrow the much harder pool for us, voting in that pool today forces their hand to do so because they cannot reduce the 3 person hood so long as we arent voting in it

when you ignore everything else, and stop throwing the numbers around that arent that helpful and dont just play to get to a really hard f3 where we may or may not lose, you can isolate today and make mafias hard a bit more difficult day 1 and thats always good for town, regardless of what we decide to do tomorrow
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No, If we vote the mafia in the 3N then they are forced to make 2 consecutive kills on the 3N and we get 2 free votes onto the hard kills so we can make it the easiest 1/3 we could have. If anything, not voting the 3N neighborhood today will make us vote the 3N neighborhood the next days, because that one is objectively the harder one to solve by player basis.
 
Peum said:
No, If we vote the mafia in the 3N then they are forced to make 2 consecutive kills on the 3N and we get 2 free votes onto the hard kills so we can make it the easiest 1/3 we could have. If anything, not voting the 3N neighborhood today will make us vote the 3N neighborhood the next days, because that one is objectively the harder one to solve by player basis.
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yes if we hit the 3N mafia get to kill up all the clears for lylo, which is bad they have time to kill out

if we vote correct in 6N we auto win
 
jalmont said:
Pleas note the rules as they may be a little different than usual. There IS hammer in this game (please bear with me as I live in Asia so may not be able to update timely). There are NO tie votes.

Also note that Mafia will be allowed to day talk. Neigborhoods can be used both day and night. Note that by majority vote a one time 24 hour extension can be granted.

It is now Night 0 so don't post in the thread or ELSE!

Any questions please PM me.
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jalmont if mafia only have day talk does one of them have the control over factional kill?
 
Tommy said:
yes if we hit the 3N mafia get to kill up all the clears for lylo, which is bad they have time to kill out

if we vote correct in 6N we auto win
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If we vote wrong today then the 1/3 we will have to solve later on 6N will probably be the hardest one to solve. And that vote is way unlikelier to what you are saying will happen if we go for a D1 3N and get time to kill the harder ones to solve in 6N. Personally a 1/6 is too unlikely for me
 
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