Why not replace night slash on the standard set with Swords Dance? It isn't great but sd pursuit ohkoes starting after Rocks (without starting switching out and I haven't tested without rocks) and it ohkoes tyranitar with low kick even with whatever that berry is called that weakens fighting moves
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OU DPP OU Viability Ranking: mk. V
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I think its stab options are the main selling point behind weavile
But defensively the stealth rock weakness along with frail stats and other common weaknesses means it crumples to anything.
I think thes best set is Lum/SD which can be scary if it pulls off an SD. Also TTar is the better dark type.
I see why Weavile's STABs look nice from a type standpoint - Dark and Ice nail plenty of valuable targets, and STAB Pursuit on something fast enough to not need a Choice Scarf is also nice.
But the thing is, as Electivire has proven, super-effective coverage isn't enough on its own, and that's where Weavile's STABs falter: Ice Punch and Night Slash are simply not strong enough to muscle through important neutral targets, like Jirachi, Skarmory, Swampert, Clefable, the list goes on.
But the thing is, as Electivire has proven, super-effective coverage isn't enough on its own, and that's where Weavile's STABs falter: Ice Punch and Night Slash are simply not strong enough to muscle through important neutral targets, like Jirachi, Skarmory, Swampert, Clefable, the list goes on.
It's not that the type combo of the STAB is bad, its the base power of the best available options are terrible. And honestly dark/ice STAB + fighting coverage is not even that great in this tier. This combo still struggles into many notable mons, most importantly rachi. skarm, meta, sciz, the occasional zong, and any water thats not starmie/emp can also deal with it.
+2 252 Atk Weavile Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 216-255 (63.3 - 74.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
+2 252 Atk Weavile Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 196-232 (65.1 - 77%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
+2 252 Atk Weavile Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 192-226 (56.3 - 66.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes
now these calcs are obviously pretty unreasonable and the probability of them actually happening is pretty low (even more so for rachi) but give weavile the utmost benefit of the doubt. +2 neutral STAB against BULKLESS targets with rocks and three layers of spikes, fails to guarantee an ohko. That is pitiful damage.
The most practical use you're getting out of SD weav without mag support is to pretty much chip something for teammates before you get ohko'd or phased out by skarm. but then youre using mag to aid weavile which is just yeah..
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True, ice punch and night slash arent good. Im not defending weavile. I think its bad and I have no interest in using it. I have been swept by an SD before in the endgame tho. I still think SD is the only semi-viable move on it
Tbh i agree with the guy asking why its still ou, but not for a uu thing or anything, why isnt weav OU by technicality? And while were at it, why dont we trade mamoswine as the ice type of ou instead of being oubl when its three subtiers above weav. Togekiss too, she def deserves real ou more than weavile