Other End of Generation 7 Planning - Voting

[Birkal]

As the result of this thread, the Policy Review Committee is going to vote on how to proceed with the remainder of Generation 7 of the Create-A-Pokemon Project. This ballot is only open to members of the Policy Review Committee. Typically, all voting in CAP is open to the public. This is a unique poll in that it involves a lot of background information on how CAP operates, so please excuse us as we host this one poll selectively. Thank you for your understanding; if you'd like, you may discuss this poll with us on our Discord channel.

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The below are the options:

No Gen7 CAP27​

Gen7 Regular CAP27​

Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27​

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution​

If these options are not clear to you, please read through the previous thread to get an understanding of what each option entails. Also feel free to contact me via Discord or Smogon PM with any clarifying questions you may have.

This will be a 48 hour poll. Thank you all for your time, and we'll post the results as they're available.

Alerting the PRC

Airwind
Birkal
Bughouse
cbrevan
david0895
Deck Knight
DetroitLolcat
DHR-107
Dogfish44
DougJustDoug
Drapionswing
EpicUmbreon29
Frostbiyt
G-Luke
GMars
Granny Pie
jas61292
Jho
Jordy
LucarioOfLegends
Magistrum
Marjane
Mova
Mx
Okamu
pokehimon
Quanyails
Rat With Wings
reachzero
SHSP
snake_rattler
Snorlax in the way
Sunfished
taranteeeno
Wenderz
Wulfanator72
Zephias

 

[Birkal]

Apparently the last tags didn't work. Let's try these.

Airwind
Birkal
Bughouse
cbrevan
david0895
Deck Knight
DetroitLolcat
DHR-107
Dogfish44
DougJustDoug
Drapionswing
EpicUmbreon29
Frostbiyt
G-Luke
GMars
Granny Pie
jas61292
Jho
Jordy
LucarioOfLegends
Magistrum
Marjane
Mova
Mx
Okamu
pokehimon
Quanyails
Rat With Wings
reachzero
SHSP
snake_rattler
Snorlax in the way
Sunfished
taranteeeno
Wenderz
Wulfanator72
Zephias

 

[Jordy]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

 

[G-Luke]

No Gen7 CAP27

I have made my stance clear in the past. I think we have more than enough things to do and that trying to tackle another CAP will do more harm than good.

 

[Mx]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

 

[Dogfish44]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27

We've got much to be getting on with on reflection - set up FlashCAPs for the "creators but not players" camp and I think we're golden for the longer break.

 

[taranteeeno]

No Gen7 CAP27

but maybe a new baby?

 

[Granny Pie]

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27

CAP has a bit on its plate right now, what with Aurumoth nerfs, CAPTT, and LCs of CAPs 25 and 26, which makes pumping out a full CAP27 before November rolls around nigh-on impossible to result in a final product that will feel up to our standards due to the rush. However, I'm reminded by Game Freak that Mega Evolutions are being phased out of games, and it's not too farfetched to say that we will never see Mega Evolutions or Ultra Beasts ever again in a cartridge-legal metagame outside of a possible S/M remake far in the future. This may be our last opportunity to apply the creative CAP process to two unique types of Pokemon, Pokemon that will have inherent restrictions on them, making the process shorter and more streamlined: an Ultra Beast having a set ability and set BST, and a Mega Evolution having a relatively set BST, a relatively set movepool (with maybe just one or two additions to meet a certain concept), only one ability, and a design and flavor based on a pre-existing CAP. Between the two, I much prefer a pre-existing CAP Mega. It's clear that, due to its more restrictive processes, a Mega Evolution would be a faster and more streamlined project, resulting in a quicker process that will still feel complete and will hold up to our typical standards of quality, as well as one final take on a unique mechanic before it gets phased out, possibly forever.

 

[Frostbiyt]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

 

[Mova]

Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

 

[Wenderz]

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27

I mostly agree with what Granny Pie said.

 

[jas61292]

Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27

Nothing we do could do more to stagnate and hurt the project, in my opinion, than doing nothing. CAP is about making Pokemon, and intentionally going half a year or more without doing that is highly foolish to me.

 

[snake]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

Equilibra has an extremely pronounced effect on the metagame, and it's going to take some time to see how the metagame reacts. We have prevos to finish, resources to maintain and create, etc. It will be useful to take the time to clean up Generation 7 so we can enter the new, seemingly different Generation 8 with all of our past creations fleshed out and done.

I really don't think we can pull off Regular CAP or Ultra Beast in the time we have and still not be in a situation where Generation 6 is - outdated resources make ORAS a hard format to play for CAPTT, which is an important metagame point and traffic point for CAP. Keeping Generation 7 resources pristine will be important for the future Generation 8 metagame, which seems to be drastically different from Generation 7, even relative to the jump to Generation 7 from Generation 6.

I think realistically the only thing we have time to do is a pre-existing CAP Mega Evolution, but it's still weird how we're trying to do this before GF is essentially removing Mega Evolution from SWSH, and in a generation where no more Mega Evolutions were released.

All-in-all, would I like to make another CAP in Generation 7? I honestly would. But I don't want CAP27 to end up like Cawmodore or Pajantom (where they finished right after a new game was released and felt rather unfulfilling), and I want USUM CAP to be at its best when SWSH drops. It's a hard decision for me, honestly, but this is my decision for my vote.

 

[Deck Knight]

Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Regular CAP27

I think CAP has had a history of exploring the countours of each generation, with Megas in Gen 6 and Pokemon that have ended up being quite good with Z-Moves in Gen 7, even if it wasn't the basis of a concept. I feel like contrary to what others have said, that a UB would be ripe for discussion even with a known stage result and would continue CAP's history of exploring the more interesting elements each generation has. "Minmaxed" Pokemon seem like they would be right up CAP's alley.

 

[Quanyails]

No Gen7 CAP27

I'd like to give other parts of CAP more time to develop. ^^

 

[Wulfanator]

Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27

CAP is so dull with no main projects to look forward to. Trying to preoccupy ourselves with side projects for several months is rediculous. If you look at things like prevos, user interest is low. I dont see people suddenly getting involved cause there isn't a main project.

Flash CAP is more of a headache. It's fun every so often, but the last 2 have been held at weird times which makes excluding people too easy. Increasing their frequency would make it less novel.

Also, I'd be hesitant to say delaying the next project will help with things like 3D models. Unless people go full nose to the grindstone, I feel like they will be produced at the same speed they would with a project.

 

[Birkal]

Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27

My apologies for screwing up the timing on this in the previous thread. It was always my intention that this poll would last 48 hours. If you’d like to further discuss this, feel free to include it in your vote (as many have done), or take it to Discord, where the majority of CAP PRC members reside.

 

[cbrevan]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27

First option is the only one I like. I think with Equilibra dropping and Aurumoth nerfs incoming the metagame is going to need time to develop, and if given that time, we could be going into Gen 8 with a very well cultivated and developed metagame. There are a ton of things we could be doing outside of building another CAP to get us more prepared for Gen 8, such as preevolutions and metagame development.

Short of option one, I think making a Mega Evolution going into Gen 8 would be a waste of time to be focusing on a mechanic that we know will be outdated. I'm not even convinced the process would be significantly shorter either because we'll still have to discuss what CAP project to give a mega evolution. I'm not into a Ultra Beast CAP for similiar reasons.

 

[LucarioOfLegends]

No Gen7 CAP27

Made my stance very clear.

 

[EpicUmbreon29]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27

If we can't do it to the best of our ability and without rushing excessively, then we should put our resources and energy into things that we can make great improvements on, like our metagame. If we were to do a Gen7 CAP27, the regular process is best, and the Ultra Beast is the biggest cop-out.

 

[GMars]

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
No Gen7 CAP27

 

[Okamu]

No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution

 

[reachzero]

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
No Gen7 CAP27
Gen7 Regular CAP27
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27

Megas definitely won't exist in the initial Gen 8 metagame, so it runs a much lower chance on breaking Gen 8 than an Ultra Beast. We don't really have enough time for a regular CAP.

Modedit: Fixing spelling of "Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27".

 

[Airwind]

No Gen7 CAP27
is best to experiment new things that pokemon adds to appeal newcomers and with the time free focus fixing the ladder and do others non serius and fun events

Modedit: Fixing extra bolded text.

 

[MrDollSteak]

Gen7 Pre-Existing CAP Mega Evolution
Gen7 Ultra Beast CAP27
No Gen7 CAP27

I think that Wulfanator summed it up perfectly.

Modedit: Fixing fragmented bold tags.