RU Florges (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

ScraftyIsTheBest

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Ruler of Flowers. It's definitely not gorgeous, however.



Florges, but not Gorgeous

[OVERVIEW]

Florges possesses good special bulk as well as a Fairy typing, which allows it to be an effective check to the likes of Mandibuzz, Bewear, and Yanmega. In addition, it also bears a good support movepool with tools such as Heal Bell and Defog that give it good ways to support its team, and it possesses decent offensive presence with Moonblast. However, the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in RU makes Florges extremely vulnerable to being forced out or becoming setup fodder for the likes of Salazzle, Nidoqueen, and Mega Steelix. Its middling physical bulk also makes it fairly easy to pressure with neutral attacks, particularly from stronger threats such as Feraligatr. Overall, while Florges can be an effective utility Pokemon, you should be careful to deal with its vulnerability to several common threats in the tier so that it doesn't become a liability.

[SET]
name: Cleric Support
move 1: Defog
move 2: Moonblast
move 3: Synthesis
move 4: Heal Bell / Toxic
item: Leftovers / Pixie Plate
ability: Flower Veil
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves
========

Defog lets Florges remove entry hazards from the field. With Florges's decent bulk and typing, it can be an effective and relatively consistent Defogger that also checks certain entry hazard users, such as Necrozma and Chesnaught. Moonblast serves as a reliable STAB move that hits fairly hard and has good neutral coverage. Synthesis serves as reliable recovery. Heal Bell can heal both Florges and its team from status conditions such as Toxic poison; however, use it carefully, since it has very low PP. Toxic is an alternative over Heal Bell and can cripple and wear down threats such as Moltres, Cresselia, and Porygon2 that are much more difficult to take down otherwise.

Set Details
========

136 Speed EVs with a Timid nature enable Florges to outspeed Bewear, Honchkrow, and Adamant Tyrantrum, while the rest is invested into HP and Defense to maximize Florges's physical bulk. Leftovers serves as consistent passive recovery for Florges over the match. However, Pixie Plate allows Florges to more easily deal with certain threats such as Mega Blastoise and Mandibuzz and serve as more of an offensive check to Fighting-types. If Florges runs Pixie Plate, the 120 Defense EVs should be invested into Special Attack to maximize its potential damage output against the likes of Bewear and allow Florges to OHKO Mandibuzz after Stealth Rock. Alternatively, an EV spread of 252 HP / 32 SpA / 224 Spe with a Modest nature can be used to allow Florges to take on a more offensive approach to its role while hitting the same Speed tier..

Usage Tips
========

Florges is a utility Pokemon; it is mainly used to switch into other Pokemon and support its team via hazard removal and cleric support. Its high special bulk and solid typing enable it to check a multitude of common Pokemon in the tier such as Mandibuzz, Yanmega, Mega Blastoise, and Pangoro. Florges should take advantage of these Pokemon as opportunities to come in and potentially use Defog to remove entry hazards from play. Florges can also take on certain hazard setters such as Necrozma and Chesnaught rather well. Do note, however, that Florges tends to be bait for a multitude of common threats, such as Salazzle, Mega Steelix, and Escavalier. It is advised to use Heal Bell conservatively, as its low PP limits its use; only use it if you have a teammate that absolutely needs to have some form of status, such as poison or burn, removed.

Team Options
========

Rhyperior makes for a solid teammate, as it can take on the likes of Salazzle and Registeel very well, and it benefits decently from Florges's support and ability to take on the likes of Bewear and Chesnaught. Moltres is another Pokemon that especially benefits from Defog support while also being able to break through Escavalier, Registeel, and Mega Steelix. Cresselia can take on Salazzle and Nidoqueen rather well and benefits from Heal Bell support. Ground-types such as Gligar, Flygon, and Zygarde-10% can break through Steel-types very well. In addition, Pokemon that benefit from entry hazard removal, such as Yanmega and Salazzle, will appreciate Florges's ability to use Defog.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Other Options
========

Florges unfortunately has a relatively barren movepool with little variety. It could use an offensive set with coverage moves such as Psychic and Hidden Power Fire, but it is very inferior to Gardevoir, which has more Speed and power to work with as well as utility in Healing Wish. A bulky set with Calm Mind is also plausible, but with the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in the metagame, it is unfortunately not fit to succeed. Magic Coat is also an interesting option to bounce back entry hazards and Toxic, but Florges generally lacks the free moveslots to utilize it.

Checks and Counters
========

**Poison-types**: Salazzle can use Florges as setup fodder with Nasty Plot and proceed to eliminate it with Sludge Wave. Nidoqueen and Roserade can also switch into Florges quite well and break through it with Sludge Wave or Sludge Bomb

**Steel-types**: Mega Steelix, Registeel, Doublade, and Escavalier can all wall Florges and either take it down with STAB attacks or set up on it.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Due to Florges's middling bulk, strong physical attackers such as Feraligatr, Mega Glalie, and Tsareena can pressure Florges and eventually overwhelm it.
 
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avocado

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[SET]
name: Defog
move 1: Defog
move 2: Synthesis
move 3: Moonblast
move 4: Aromatherapy
item: Leftovers
ability: Flower Veil
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

This is imo the only usable set for Florges atm. Don't change it though, I'm only posting here to incite some discussion. I don't think calm mind is a good set to have when Durant, mega steelix, and doublade are all extremely good and it's rare to see a team without them. Wish has low hp overall and is outclassed as a wish passer by umbreon which is good right now and can at least stand his ground vs a lot more mons.

I also believe Florges could run a bitta speed but i'm not sure on that one myself.
 
#4
Not QC, but I agree with Avocado that woth Durant, Mega Steelix, Nidoqueen, Salazzle, Doublade, and Registeel in the tier Calm Mind is simply not viable and should not be a set. I think, however, you might consider expanding to two sets one being cleric support amd one being defog, as they each want a significantly varied moveset and perform different roles altogether. (Yes you can run cleric moves on Defog but you sorely miss Synthesis and Toxic is also very useful there)
 
#5
Florges (F) @ Leftovers / Pixie Plate
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Moonblast
- Synthesis
- Heal Bell / Toxic

^^ make this the only set and tag me for 1/3
 

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#6
For the record I agree about CM being ineffective. I've tried it a lot before and it's been really underwhelming whenever I've used it. I've removed it now.

Anyways, I've added that set to the analysis, teachable, and made slight changes to the writing to accomodate the new tier shifts (removing Kommo-o, adding mentions of Mandibuzz, namely), and I think this is mostly ready now.
 
#10
Florges (F) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Symbiosis
EVs: 252 HP / 32 SpA / 224 Spe
Modest Nature
- Defog
- Moonblast
- Synthesis
- Psychic / Aromatherapy

i think pixie plate deserves its own set bc imo its much more effective than the standard physdef set. the evs in physdef dont rlly help it wall anything bc it doesn't switch well into any of the fightings its supposed to check anyways, while the special attack investment is generally helpful vs most mons, esp with psychic. modest gives u 4 more spa evs than timid does, while still hitting the same speed tier. i also think psychic is rlly good on this set bc it lets u beat most poison types on the switch, but aromatherapy/heal bell is fine too if u need that. its also less confusing to have it have its own set rather than putting in on set comments for the first set, especially for the people that only c/p the sets.
32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 154-182 (59 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 257-304 (71.3 - 84.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 198-234 (55 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 8 HP / 0 SpD Salazzle: 244-288 (87.4 - 103.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
248 SpA Salazzle Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 192-228 (53.3 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Dragalge: 136-160 (42.2 - 49.6%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 256-304 (71.1 - 84.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Nidoqueen: 184-218 (57.3 - 67.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 252-299 (70 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Toxicroak: 456-540 (148 - 175.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 162-192 (53.8 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 242-289 (67.2 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

32+ SpA Florges Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Qwilfish: 260-308 (77.8 - 92.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock


also ScraftyIsTheBest the nature on the first set is supposed to be timid, not bold
 

MrAldo

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#12
- Speed benchmark on set details should mention some relevant since Machamp isnt exactly that atm. Mention Honchkrow and Adamant Tyrantrum which are notable ones (Adamant Tyrantrum is somewhat rare but still worth a mention).
- Also on set details the offensive set can go 252 hp, 32 SpA, 224 speed modest since it covers the same speed benchmark while providing 4 more special attacks points so it is more optimal for an offensive approach.

Really good. QC 3/3
 
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[OVERVIEW]

Florges possesses good special bulk as well as the Fairy-type a Fairy typing, which allows it to be an effective check to the likes of Mandibuzz, Bewear, and Yanmega. In addition, it also bears a good support movepool with tools such as Heal Bell and Defog which that give it good ways to support its team, while and it possesses decent offensive presence with Moonblast. However, the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in RU makes Florges extremely vulnerable to being forced out or becoming setup fodder for the likes of Salazzle, Nidoqueen, and Mega Steelix. Its middling physical bulk also makes it fairly easy to pressure with neutral attacks, particularly from stronger threats such as Feraligatr. Overall, while Florges can be an effective utility Pokemon, you should be careful to deal with its vulnerability to several common threats in the tier so that it doesn't become a liability.

[SET]
name: Cleric Support
move 1: Defog
move 2: Moonblast
move 3: Synthesis
move 4: Heal Bell / Toxic
item: Leftovers / Pixie Plate
ability: Flower Veil
nature: Bold Timid
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves
========

Defog is used in this set to enable lets Florges to remove entry hazards from the field. With Florges's decent bulk and typing, it can be an effective and relatively consistent user of the move while checking Defogger that also checks certain entry hazard users, namely Necrozma. Moonblast serves as a reliable and relatively strong (redundant) STAB move that hits fairly hard and has good neutral coverage. Synthesis serves as reliable recovery. Heal Bell can heal both Florges and its team from status conditions such as Toxic: Toxic poison; however, use it carefully, (AC) since it has very low PP. Toxic on the other hand is an alternative option over Heal Bell can cripple or and wear down threats such as Moltres, Cresselia, and Porygon2 who that are much more difficult to take down otherwise.

Set Details
========

This set invests 136 Speed EVs to with a Timid nature enable Florges to outspeed Bewear, Honchkrow, and Adamant Tyrantrum, while the rest is invested into HP and Defense to maximize Florges's physical bulk. Leftovers serves as consistent reliable passive recovery for Florges over the match. However, Pixie Plate allows Florges to hit somewhat harder against more easily deal with certain threats such as Mega Blastoise and Mandibuzz, (RC) and in general serve as more of an offensive check to Fighting-types. If Florges runs Pixie Plate, the 120 Defense EVs should be invested into Special Attack to maximize its potential damage output against the likes of Bewear and Mandibuzz, and allowing allow Florges to OHKO Mandibuzz after Stealth Rock. Alternatively, an EV spread of 252 HP / 32 SpA / 224 Spe with a Modest nature can be used to allow Florges to take on a more offensive approach to its role while hitting the same Speed tier and giving Florges more offensive firepower to work with. (redundant)

Usage Tips
========

Florges is a utility Pokemon:; (remove colon add semicolon) it is mainly used to switch into other Pokemon while supporting and support its team via hazard removal or and cleric support. Its high special bulk and solid typing enable it to check a wide multitide multitude of common Pokemon in the tier such as Mandibuzz, Yanmega, Mega Blastoise, and Pangoro. Make use of these Florges should take advantage of these Pokemon as opportunities to come in and potentially use Defog to remove entry hazards from play. Florges can also take on certain entry hazard users setters such as Necrozma and Chesnaught rather well. Do note, however, that Florges tends to be bait for a multitude of common threats, such as Salazzzle Salazzle, Mega Steelix, and Escavalier. It is advised to use Heal Bell conservatively, as its low PP limits its use:; (remove colon add semicolon) only use it if you have a teammate who that absolutely needs to have some form of status, such as poison or burn, removed.

Team Options
========

Rhyperior makes for a solid teammate, (AC) as it can take on the likes of Salazzle and Registeel very well, while and it benefits decently from Florges's support and ability to take on the likes of Bewear and Chesnaught. Moltres is another Pokemon that especially benefits from Defog support while also being able to break through Escavalier, Registeel, and Mega Steelix. Cresselia can take on Salazzle and Nidoqueen rather well and benefits from Heal Bell support. Ground-types such as Gligar, Flygon, and Zygarde-10% can break through Steel-types very well. In addition, Pokemon that benefit from entry hazard removal, such as Yanmega and Salazzle, will appreciate Florges' Florges's ability to use Defog.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Other Options
========

Florges unfortunately has a relatively barren movepool with little going for it versatility. It could use an offensive set with coverage moves such as Psychic and Hidden Power Fire, but it is very inferior to Gardevoir who, (AC) which has more speed Speed and power to work with as well as utility in Healing Wish. A bulky set with Calm Mind is also plausible, but with the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in the metagame, it is unfortunately not fit to succeed. Magic Coat is also an interesting option to bounce back entry hazards and Toxic, but Florges generally lacks the free moveslots to utilize it.

Checks and Counters
========

**Poison-types** Salazzle can use Florges as setup fodder with Nasty Plot, (RC) and proceed to eliminate it with Sludge Wave. Nidoqueen and Roserade can also switch into Florges quite well and break through it with Sludge Wave or Sludge Bomb

**Steel-types** Mega Steelix, Registeel, Doublade, and Escavalier can all wall Florges and either take it down with STAB attacks or set up on it.

**Strong Physical Attackers** Due to Florges's middling bulk, strong physical attackers such as Feraligatr, Mega Glalie, and Tsareena can pressure Florges and eventually overwhelm it.

1/2
 

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remove add / fix (comments); (AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; SC=semicolon)
GP 2/2
[OVERVIEW]

Florges possesses good special bulk as well as a Fairy typing, which allows it to be an effective check to the likes of Mandibuzz, Bewear, and Yanmega. In addition, it also bears a good support movepool with tools such as Heal Bell and Defog that give it good ways to support its team, and it possesses decent offensive presence with Moonblast. However, the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in RU makes Florges extremely vulnerable to being forced out or becoming setup fodder for the likes of Salazzle, Nidoqueen, and Mega Steelix. Its middling physical bulk also makes it fairly easy to pressure with neutral attacks, particularly from stronger threats such as Feraligatr. Overall, while Florges can be an effective utility Pokemon, you should be careful to deal with its vulnerability to several common threats in the tier so that it doesn't become a liability.

[SET]
name: Cleric Support
move 1: Defog
move 2: Moonblast
move 3: Synthesis
move 4: Heal Bell / Toxic
item: Leftovers / Pixie Plate
ability: Flower Veil
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves
========

Defog lets Florges remove entry hazards from the field. With Florges's decent bulk and typing, it can be an effective and relatively consistent Defogger that also checks certain entry hazard users, namely (either change this to such as or add the other setters that it checks) Necrozma. Moonblast serves as a reliable STAB move that hits fairly hard and has good neutral coverage. Synthesis serves as reliable recovery. Heal Bell can heal both Florges and its team from status conditions such as Toxic poison; however, use it carefully, (AC) since it has very low PP. Toxic is an alternative over Heal Bell and can cripple and wear down threats such as Moltres, Cresselia, and Porygon2 that are much more difficult to take down otherwise.

Set Details
========

136 Speed EVs with a Timid nature enables enable Florges to outspeed Bewear, Honchkrow, and Adamant Tyrantrum, while the rest is invested into HP and Defense to maximize Florges's physical bulk. Leftovers serves as consistent passive recovery for Florges over the match. However, Pixie Plate allows Florges to more easily deal with certain threats such as Mega Blastoise and Mandibuzz and serve as more of an offensive check to Fighting-types. If Florges runs Pixie Plate, the 120 Defense EVs should be invested into Special Attack to maximize its potential damage output against the likes of Bewear and allow Florges to OHKO Mandibuzz after Stealth Rock. Alternatively, an EV spread of 252 HP / 32 SpA / 224 Spe with a Modest nature can be used to allow Florges to take on a more offensive approach to its role while hitting the same Speed tier..

Usage Tips
========

Florges is a utility Pokemon; it is mainly used to switch into other Pokemon and support its team via hazard removal and cleric support. Its high special bulk and solid typing enable it to check a multitude of common Pokemon in the tier such as Mandibuzz, Yanmega, Mega Blastoise, and Pangoro. Florges should take advantage of these Pokemon as opportunities to come in and potentially use Defog to remove entry hazards from play. Florges can also take on certain hazard setters such as Necrozma and Chesnaught rather well. Do note, however, that Florges tends to be bait for a multitude of common threats, such as Salazzle, Mega Steelix, and Escavalier. It is advised to use Heal Bell conservatively, as its low PP limits its use; only use it if you have a teammate that absolutely needs to have some form of status, such as poison or burn, removed.

Team Options
========

Rhyperior makes for a solid teammate, as it can take on the likes of Salazzle and Registeel very well, and it benefits decently from Florges's support and ability to take on the likes of Bewear and Chesnaught. Moltres is another Pokemon that especially benefits from Defog support while also being able to break through Escavalier, Registeel, and Mega Steelix. Cresselia can take on Salazzle and Nidoqueen rather well and benefits from Heal Bell support. Ground-types such as Gligar, Flygon, and Zygarde-10% can break through Steel-types very well. In addition, Pokemon that benefit from entry hazard removal, such as Yanmega and Salazzle, will appreciate Florges's ability to use Defog.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Other Options
========

Florges unfortunately has a relatively barren movepool with little versatility variety. (or "that leaves it with little versatility") It could use an offensive set with coverage moves such as Psychic and Hidden Power Fire, but it is very inferior to Gardevoir, which has more Speed and power to work with as well as utility in Healing Wish. A bulky set with Calm Mind is also plausible, but with the ubiquity of Poison- and Steel-types in the metagame, it is unfortunately not fit to succeed. Magic Coat is also an interesting option to bounce back entry hazards and Toxic, but Florges generally lacks the free moveslots to utilize it.

Checks and Counters
========

**Poison-types**: (add colons throughout) Salazzle can use Florges as setup fodder with Nasty Plot and proceed to eliminate it with Sludge Wave. Nidoqueen and Roserade can also switch into Florges quite well and break through it with Sludge Wave or Sludge Bomb

**Steel-types**: Mega Steelix, Registeel, Doublade, and Escavalier can all wall Florges and either take it down with STAB attacks or set up on it.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Due to Florges's middling bulk, strong physical attackers such as Feraligatr, Mega Glalie, and Tsareena can pressure Florges and eventually overwhelm it.
 
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