Follow The Leader [Pre Viability Ranking Discussion!]

[sin(pi)]

Gimmick coming through!

gimmick

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Scald
- Psychic
- Ice Beam

Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Waterfall
- U-turn
- Facade

Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Psychic
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Scald

Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Tail Glow
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Energy Ball

You could feasibly make this a rain team to actually use hydration (+rest). In which case Mega Swampert would be kinda cool (no EQ though :( )

 

[EV]

Ghoul King's comments about Slowbro gave me an idea...

It learns Regenerator and Belly Drum! Its physical move pool is a bit shallow but with access to things like Aqua Tail, Earthquake, Drain Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, and the ever reliable Return you're sure to find a physically inclined Pokemon that can put them to good use.

 

[Isa Simple]

One thing which drew my attention was weather teams. Sun teams in particular seem to have a massive bunch of options to boost speed and power to crazy levels, while maintaining solid back bones with Sun setters all having access to moves like Synthesis.

Here are the top three Leaders for sun teams imo (Not necessarily in order):

Shiftry: BEST Move pool.

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If it weren't for only one usable ability (Unless you use Early Bird + Rest to deal with status) this would just about stand out as a clear winner.
Shiftry's move pool if epic.
Firstly it has CRAZY boosting potential. Chlorophyl + Swords Dance / Nasty Plot / Growth will make for some super tough mons to deal with.
Then it has a lot of priority options too. Fake-Out, Quick Attack, and Sucker Punch.
Physical Move pool: Bounce, Knock Off, Low Kick, Explosion, Leaf Blade, Double Edge, Brick Break, Aerial Ace, Rock Slide, X-Scissor.
Special Move pool: Hurricane* (less accuracy in sun), Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Icy Wind, Extrasensory, HP Fire, Solar Beam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Dark Pulse.
Defensive / Utility Move pool: Whirlwind, Defog, Foul Play, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Sunny Day, etc.
I mean come on.
Boosting, Priority, Coverage, Recovery, Phazing, Hazard Removal and more. The only things lacking are Hazards and ability diversity, but let's not pretend that having your entire team at x2 speed is ever a bad thing (Also lack of Aromatherapy means that Early Bird + Rest is an option if you feel you really need it).

Possible Good Partner:
Chlorophyl Tyranitar.
Can abuse a tonne of moves such as Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Rock Slide, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Defog, Sunny Day, etc. Boasts crazy speed and power in sun, plus has the typing to take on Talonflame teams, which are a nuisance to speed reliant offensive pokemon. Also Sucker Punch + Chlorophyl will out prioritise most (in fact likely all) Gale Wings users.

Tangrowth: Great abilities and solid all rounder.

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Tangrowth has a lot going for it. Firstly, its actually a really strong pokemon by itself, and secondly it has epic abilities and a solid move pool.
Chlorophyl is always there for the sweepers, Regenerator is amazing for sun setters, and Leaf Guard is also good for setters or for set up sweepers / wall breakers thanks to the status immunity.
Useful Status moves: Sleep Powder, Growth, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Swords Dance, Sunny Day.
Physical coverage: Knock Off, Power Whip, Earthquake, Brick Break, Rock Slide, Poison Jab.
Special coverage: Giga Drain, Ancient Power, HP Fire, Leaf Storm, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast.

Possible Good Partner:
Regenerator Rhyperior.
Gets Pseudo STAB Edgequake (Rock Slide instead of Stone Edge), has epic physical bulk to set up Sunny Day, then Sun Boosted Synthesis + Regenerator = 100% health back.

Victreebel: Weather Ball!

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Weather Ball alone makes Victreebel instantly one of the best Sun leaders because your Fire types can actually ABUSE sun without having to use HP Fire. But Victreebel also has the rest of the move pool to back it up.
Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm, Leaf Blade, Acid Spray, Clear Smog, Encore, Giga Drain, Power Whip, Synthesis, Knock Off, Growth, Body Slam, Bug Bite, Double Edge, Sucker Punch, Sludge Bomb, Swords Dance, Sunny Day.
Like Shiftry though it only has one really useful ability, but that ability is amazing.

Possible Good Partner:
Chlorophyl Roserade.
Basically just think AAA's Chlorophyl roserade.

Honourable Mentions:

Tropius: Awesome dedicated abilities. Chlorophyl (sweepers), Solar Power (wall breakers) and Harvest (sun setters).
Whimsicott: Prankster + U-Turn (Best sun setters for HO).
Maractus: Spikes. Only pokemon with Chlorophyl + Hazards.
Sawsbuck: Strongest physical move pool, and solid utility pool.

EDIT: Also Ludicolo Rain Teams.

 

[Quantum Tesseract]

Additionally, Clefable has belly drum as well. This means it isn't limited to only special attackers. Further, Linoone passes belly drum+extreme speed, while Slurpuff passes belly drum+unburden. I'm sure none of these are broken.

 

[G-Luke]

Here are some new Leaders that alot of people didnt think of.

Rampardos

How did anyone forget Rampardos? This thing's movepool is SOOOO diverse it provides a STAB option for almost every type!!

Physical - Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Head Smash, Zen Headbutt, Superpower, Crunch, Iron Head, Outrage, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Pursuit, Endeavour

Special - Earth Power, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf, Thunder(bolt), Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Uproar

Status - SR, Swords Dance, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar/Whirlwind, Pain Split (Wtf?!?), Curse

Combine its wide movepool with its excellent abilities in Sheer Force and Mold Breaker and its a fantastic leader. The only drawback is.... your using Rampardos.

 

[Gurkenbrot]

Swoobat and Bibarel might be pretty interesting in that metagame. They can both pass Unaware and Simple, which are great abilities. Unaware can deal with set up shenanigains (like Shell Smash Spam, Linoone Vanilla Squads etc) and contray spam, while Simple might help you to set up on other things.

Swoobat

Relevant Physical moves: Acrobatics, Fly, Knock Off, Return/Frustration, U-Turn, Zen Headbutt, Super Fang, Gyro BallRelevant Special Moves: Air Slash, Charge Beam, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Heat Wave, HP random, Psychic/Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Stored Power, Relevant Status moves: Amnesia, Light Screen, Psych Up (interesting with Unaware), Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Toxic, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, Trick

Bibarel

Relevant Physical Moves: Aqua Tail, Bulldoze, Dig, Iron Tail, Quick Attack, Superpower, Thief, Waterfall, Return/Frustration, Super Fang
Relevant Special moves: Blizzard/Ice Beam, Charge Beam, Grass Knot, HP random, Scald, Shadow Ball, Surf, Thunder/Thunderbolt
Relevant Status Moves: Amnesia, Curse, Rest, Stealth Rock, Toxic, Work Up, Yawn, Thunder Wave


Bibarel lacks reliable recovery, but it passes some nice moves for offensive teams like Stealth Rock, Bolt Beam, Simple Work Up, Waterfall, Superpower. It can also pass Scald, which allows the teammates to burn stuff.

Swoobat on the other hand can pass Simple Cm+ Stored Power, which is a dangerous combination. It also passes Knock Off, Heat Wave, U-Turn and most importantly Roost.

 

[Ghoul King]

What do you mean by one note here? I'm not sure how exactly to respond to this as I don't know what its saying.

I mean that Talonflame doesn't offer much beyond "spam priority Flying attacks". It offers some stuff -U-Turn, priority recovery, Will O Wisp, and its Special movepool isn't completely useless- but a Talonflame team is probably going to be a birdspam team in practice, with maybe a wall or two leaning on Will O Wisp+priority recovery.

/ds flash fire, recovery:
Arcanine, Flareon, Growlithe, Ponyta, Rapidash

The best one is arcanine, which isn't bad (it gets outrage, cc, crunch, espeed and flare blitz)

The other ones are outclassed, so by "some neat flashfire mons" I think you mean 1

Flareon provides access to Guts, Sing (Notable given Mega Pidgeot), Wish support, Heal Bell support, and several boosting moves (Curse, which is overall superior to Howl, for instance)+Baton Pass and Stored Power. Its Special movepool, while limited, is still less limited than Arcanine's. In general Flareon is probably the superior choice for a Flashfire stall team.

... I'll admit Rapidash doesn't have really anything that makes it worth running. Drill Run is nice, I guess, but yeah it's probably basically outclassed by Arcanine.

Ghoul King's comments about Slowbro gave me an idea...

It learns Regenerator and Belly Drum! Its physical move pool is a bit shallow but with access to things like Aqua Tail, Earthquake, Drain Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, and the ever reliable Return you're sure to find a physically inclined Pokemon that can put them to good use.

Oh god. Multiple-use Belly Drum. That's... that's kind of horrifying.

Shiftry: BEST Move pool.
If it weren't for only one usable ability (Unless you use Early Bird + Rest to deal with status) this would just about stand out as a clear winner.
Shiftry's move pool if epic.
Firstly it has CRAZY boosting potential. Chlorophyl + Swords Dance / Nasty Plot / Growth will make for some super tough mons to deal with.
Then it has a lot of priority options too. Fake-Out, Quick Attack, and Sucker Punch.
Physical Move pool: Bounce, Knock Off, Low Kick, Explosion, Leaf Blade, Double Edge, Brick Break, Aerial Ace, Rock Slide, X-Scissor.
Special Move pool: Hurricane* (less accuracy in sun), Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Icy Wind, Extrasensory, HP Fire, Solar Beam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Dark Pulse.
Defensive / Utility Move pool: Whirlwind, Defog, Foul Play, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Sunny Day, etc.
I mean come on.
Boosting, Priority, Coverage, Recovery, Phazing, Hazard Removal and more. The only things lacking are Hazards and ability diversity, but let's not pretend that having your entire team at x2 speed is ever a bad thing (Also lack of Aromatherapy means that Early Bird + Rest is an option if you feel you really need it).

Possible Good Partner:
Chlorophyl Tyranitar.
Can abuse a tonne of moves such as Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Rock Slide, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Defog, Sunny Day, etc. Boasts crazy speed and power in sun, plus has the typing to take on Talonflame teams, which are a nuisance to speed reliant offensive pokemon. Also Sucker Punch + Chlorophyl will out prioritise most (in fact likely all) Gale Wings users.

Chlorophyll Tyranitar sounds particularly compelling. It already sometimes runs Special or mixed, and Growth is +2/+2 in Sun. That's one boosting move allowing mixed Tyranitar to hit scarily hard on both ends! It even gets dual STABs on the Physical end.

Tropius: Awesome dedicated abilities. Chlorophyl (sweepers), Solar Power (wall breakers) and Harvest (sun setters).

Tropius itself is awful, but having all three of the best Sun Abilities on one Pokemon makes it potentially an amazing leader. It also provides Dragon Dance, Whirlwind, Defog, Swords Dance... its main flaw is that its offensive coverage is awful, with only a few non-Flying/Grass moves, Earthquake and Dragon Pulse being some of the only decent BP ones.

Additionally, Clefable has belly drum as well. This means it isn't limited to only special attackers. Further, Linoone passes belly drum+extreme speed, while Slurpuff passes belly drum+unburden. I'm sure none of these are broken.

One thing to keep in mind is Unaware teams. Leaning too heavily on stuff like Linoone Bellyspeed sweeping (such as by incorporating Mega Pinsir or Mega Altaria on your team) can run into pretty arbitrary Unaware walls, and Linoone's movepool, though not awful, is not amazing outside of that specific combination.

Slurpuff is even more limited on the Physical end, though its Special movepool is actually decent, and Sweet Veil providing Sleep immunity is cool.

Swoobat and Bibarel might be pretty interesting in that metagame. They can both pass Unaware and Simple, which are great abilities. Unaware can deal with set up shenanigains (like Shell Smash Spam, Linoone Vanilla Squads etc) and contray spam, while Simple might help you to set up on other things.

Swoobat

Relevant Physical moves: Acrobatics, Fly, Knock Off, Return/Frustration, U-Turn, Zen Headbutt, Super Fang, Gyro BallRelevant Special Moves: Air Slash, Charge Beam, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Heat Wave, HP random, Psychic/Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Stored Power, Relevant Status moves: Amnesia, Light Screen, Psych Up (interesting with Unaware), Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Toxic, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, Trick

Bibarel

Relevant Physical Moves: Aqua Tail, Bulldoze, Dig, Iron Tail, Quick Attack, Superpower, Thief, Waterfall, Return/Frustration, Super Fang
Relevant Special moves: Blizzard/Ice Beam, Charge Beam, Grass Knot, HP random, Scald, Shadow Ball, Surf, Thunder/Thunderbolt
Relevant Status Moves: Amnesia, Curse, Rest, Stealth Rock, Toxic, Work Up, Yawn, Thunder Wave


Bibarel lacks reliable recovery, but it passes some nice moves for offensive teams like Stealth Rock, Bolt Beam, Simple Work Up, Waterfall, Superpower. It can also pass Scald, which allows the teammates to burn stuff.

Swoobat on the other hand can pass Simple Cm+ Stored Power, which is a dangerous combination. It also passes Knock Off, Heat Wave, U-Turn and most importantly Roost.

In practice I suspect Swoobat will simply be the superior of the two. Bibarel has a better Physical movepool, but Swoobat can outright provide a full balance team, where Bibarel is kind of stuck trying to run hyper offense and isn't even all that good at it.

 

[Martin]

One thing which drew my attention was weather teams. Sun teams in particular seem to have a massive bunch of options to boost speed and power to crazy levels, while maintaining solid back bones with Sun setters all having access to moves like Synthesis.

Here are the top three Leaders for sun teams imo (Not necessarily in order):

Shiftry: BEST Move pool.

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If it weren't for only one usable ability (Unless you use Early Bird + Rest to deal with status) this would just about stand out as a clear winner.
Shiftry's move pool if epic.
Firstly it has CRAZY boosting potential. Chlorophyl + Swords Dance / Nasty Plot / Growth will make for some super tough mons to deal with.
Then it has a lot of priority options too. Fake-Out, Quick Attack, and Sucker Punch.
Physical Move pool: Bounce, Knock Off, Low Kick, Explosion, Leaf Blade, Double Edge, Brick Break, Aerial Ace, Rock Slide, X-Scissor.
Special Move pool: Hurricane* (less accuracy in sun), Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Icy Wind, Extrasensory, HP Fire, Solar Beam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Dark Pulse.
Defensive / Utility Move pool: Whirlwind, Defog, Foul Play, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Sunny Day, etc.
I mean come on.
Boosting, Priority, Coverage, Recovery, Phazing, Hazard Removal and more. The only things lacking are Hazards and ability diversity, but let's not pretend that having your entire team at x2 speed is ever a bad thing (Also lack of Aromatherapy means that Early Bird + Rest is an option if you feel you really need it).

Possible Good Partner:
Chlorophyl Tyranitar.
Can abuse a tonne of moves such as Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Rock Slide, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Defog, Sunny Day, etc. Boasts crazy speed and power in sun, plus has the typing to take on Talonflame teams, which are a nuisance to speed reliant offensive pokemon. Also Sucker Punch + Chlorophyl will out prioritise most (in fact likely all) Gale Wings users.

Tangrowth: Great abilities and solid all rounder.

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Tangrowth has a lot going for it. Firstly, its actually a really strong pokemon by itself, and secondly it has epic abilities and a solid move pool.
Chlorophyl is always there for the sweepers, Regenerator is amazing for sun setters, and Leaf Guard is also good for setters or for set up sweepers / wall breakers thanks to the status immunity.
Useful Status moves: Sleep Powder, Growth, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Swords Dance, Sunny Day.
Physical coverage: Knock Off, Power Whip, Earthquake, Brick Break, Rock Slide, Poison Jab.
Special coverage: Giga Drain, Ancient Power, HP Fire, Leaf Storm, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast.

Possible Good Partner:
Regenerator Rhyperior.
Gets Pseudo STAB Edgequake (Rock Slide instead of Stone Edge), has epic physical bulk to set up Sunny Day, then Sun Boosted Synthesis + Regenerator = 100% health back.

Victreebel: Weather Ball!

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Weather Ball alone makes Victreebel instantly one of the best Sun leaders because your Fire types can actually ABUSE sun without having to use HP Fire. But Victreebel also has the rest of the move pool to back it up.
Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm, Leaf Blade, Acid Spray, Clear Smog, Encore, Giga Drain, Power Whip, Synthesis, Knock Off, Growth, Body Slam, Bug Bite, Double Edge, Sucker Punch, Sludge Bomb, Swords Dance, Sunny Day.
Like Shiftry though it only has one really useful ability, but that ability is amazing.

Possible Good Partner:
Chlorophyl Roserade.
Basically just think AAA's Chlorophyl roserade.

Honourable Mentions:

Tropius: Awesome dedicated abilities. Chlorophyl (sweepers), Solar Power (wall breakers) and Harvest (sun setters).
Whimsicott: Prankster + U-Turn (Best sun setters for HO).
Maractus: Spikes. Only pokemon with Chlorophyl + Hazards.
Sawsbuck: Strongest physical move pool, and solid utility pool.

EDIT: Also Ludicolo Rain Teams.

Venusaur also gets Weather Ball but it is incompatible with Chlorophyll. Seeing Weather Ball as your reasoning for Victreebel made me think about how the OP says nothing about incompatibility. G-Luke if a Pokemon is normally unable to use a move with a certain ability, such as Weather Ball+Chlorophyll Venusaur, is the inheriting mon also under the same restrictions, or are they able to use any combination of moves/abilities?

 

[canno]

Rapidash has a much more diverse physical movepool - notably, it has Drill Run, Megahorn, and Poison Jab. Megahorn in particular is cool, as it allows you to use something like Megahorn Scizor with Flash Fire alongside Drill Run. You also get Agility, which is a pretty nice set-up move. Not saying that Rapidash is viable, but it definitely has a niche as a Flash Fire user.

 

[G-Luke]

Taking Shiftry into account, here is a weather team.

Shiftry Weather Spam

Shiftry @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Ability: Chlorophyll
Hasty Nature
- Growth
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
- Solar Beam / Leaf Storm

Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Ability: Chlorophyll
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast
- Grass Whistle Synthesis
- Nasty Plot

Tyranitar @ Heat Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
Ability: Early Bird / Chlotophyll
Impish Nature
- Sunny Day
- Knock Off
- Defog
- Rock Slide / Sucker Punch

Roserade @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Chlorophyll
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Solar Beam
- Focus Blast
- Dark Pulse / HP Fire

Regirock @ Heat Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Ability: Chlorophyll
Relaxed Nature
- Rock Slide
- Sunny Day
- Synthesis
- Low Kick

Virizirion @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Ability: Chlorophyll
Hasty Nature
- Growth
- Leaf Blade
- Low Kick / Focus Blast
- Rock Slide

And yes, the followers are bound to the same restrictions as the leader. Should be updated in OP.

 

[NOCturnal Hunter]

IF everyone is so dedicated to saying Kyurem-B/Lucario teams are OP, here is some food for thought: Chatot teams. Think about it, they have Defog, U-turn, Boomburst, and a nifty (but not amazing) ability in Tangled Feet. However, the biggest gem in Chatot's movepool is Chatter, which can single-handedly win a game if spammed enough.

If you want to see an example, here is a mediocre example:

CHEESE

CHEESE (Chatot) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Tangled Feet
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Chatter
- Boomburst
- Roost
- U-turn

XTREMECHEESE (Gardevoir-Mega) @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Nasty Plot
- Chatter
- Roost

BALKYCHEESE (Chansey) (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Tangled Feet
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Chatter
- Night Shade
- Defog

LACKOFCHEESE (Heatran) @ Leftovers
Ability: Tangled Feet
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Chatter
- Heat Wave
- Defog

CHEESE.0 (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Tangled Feet
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Chatter
- Roost
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot

NUCLEARCHEESE (Hoopa-Unbound) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Tangled Feet
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Chatter
- U-turn
- Heat Wave
- Boomburst

If you want to see it in action, challenge me on Showdown right now. The current alt name is synf3l.

So, before we ban anything else, I think a Chatot ban is the most needed ban. There are too many ways to win with it (okay, just one, but combined with Nasty Plot, it can win easily), and it can hit REALLY hard.

 

[G-Luke]

Interesting point. But no one ever Kyurem-B and Luke teams r broken. Kube teams suck infact, due to its less than spectacular movepool. Its KUBE itself thats broken.

Chatter in itself is kinda broken, but Chatot geams are more than managable. Still worth looking into. Dat nasty plot boomburst on Mega Gardevoir tho.

Looks like Ghoul King said it best, low tier mons r some of the best leaders.

 

[NOCturnal Hunter]

Interesting point. But no one ever Kyurem-B and Luke teams r broken. Kube teams suck infact, due to its less than spectacular movepool. Its KUBE itself thats broken.

Chatter in itself is kinda broken, but Chatot geams are more than managable. Still worth looking into. Dat nasty plot boomburst on Mega Gardevoir tho.

Looks like Ghoul King said it best, low tier mons r some of the best leaders.

Well, that is what I meant. I just phrased my comment wrong. Also, "Chatot geams" may be manageable, but "Chatot teams" are hard to beat.

The proof: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-customgame-336838094
As we know, Talonflame teams are potent. But, even with a faulty team and not much luck, my Chatot team managed to win 4-0. Let's see another team that can have an accomplishment like that.

Edit: Now I use normal Gardevoir with the mega stone.
Edit 2: Thank you all for letting me make my 333rd post!

 

[sin(pi)]

Honestly the only uncompetitive thing with Chatot is Chatter. NP Boomburst may prove to be too good, but it may not (Chatot's movepool isn't exactly excellent outside of NP, Boomburst, Heat Wave, Roost, Defog and U-Turn, which, admittedly, might just be enough). Chatter on the other hand is horrible uncompetitive nonsense and there's a reason almost every metagame where it's relevant has it banned iirc (Inheritance, STABmons, AAA and BH come to mind but I might have my facts wrong).

tl;dr quickban Chatter, leave Chatot alone for now

edit @ above, you linked to the room not the replay

 

[G-Luke]

Thanks nocturnal hunter, i think thats more than enoigh proof that Chatter is borked. Banning :-P

 

[Ghoul King]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-336863402

Swoobat team vs Chatot team.

...

Swoobat wins, albeit with a decent amount of luck in its favor.

Chatter is dumb, but Chatot teams aren't necessarily amazing.

Swoobat teams are a bit difficult to construct, but Weavile is a surprisingly decent teammate! Knock Off is the main STAB attack it wants anyway, and U-Turn is great. Taunt can be used to mess up would-be walls, and then you have some coverage choices.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-336883646

Walls? Breloom doesn't care about your walls.

But seriously, Breloom teams can wear down and smash through enemy teams. No ability to deal with hazards... but they don't need one necessarily.

 

[G-Luke]

Well no need to worry about borked Chatting. Anyone up for battles?

 

[Mygavolt]

I find Miltank to be an interesting donor.

Reliable recovery in Milk Drink; neat ability choices in Thick Fat, Scrappy, and Sap Sipper; can also Heal Bell, set Stealth Rock, and spread paralysis. Also has some nice attacking options on both sides of the spectrum, including Seismic Toss for defensive sets. Unfortunately, it lacks momentum-based moves (U-turn, Volt Switch, etc.), and it has no form of hazard control, not even Magic Coat or Taunt.
EDIT: Also, no boosting moves beyond Power-Up Punch and Work Up.

Possible recipients

Gengar @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Belch
- Substitute

SubPetaya with Belch. Now there's actually a decent user of it.

+1 252 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave (modified to match Belch) vs. 252 HP / 24+ SpD Florges: 360-426 (100 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 510-600 (134.2 - 157.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO​

The fact that Miltank doesn't get Sludge Bomb is the main reason why I would be crazy enough to suggest this. As a bonus, it gets Scrappy Focus Blast so it can hit Sableye super-effectively.

+1 252 SpA Gengar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Mega Sableye: 280-330 (92.1 - 108.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock​

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Milk Drink
- Thunder Wave
- Heal Bell

Yep, this is a thing now. No weaknesses barring Mold Breaker (which isn't usually used with Grass-type moves) (EDIT 2: and Freeze-dry) with respectable 100/90/90 bulk and a nice base 110 Atk to potentially take advantage of Sap Sipper (although chances are, if you see Miltank and Swampert on the same team, the ability choice is quite obvious). Shame that it gets no Water STAB, though. Also, this set in particular is walled by Flying-types, so perhaps Rock Tomb or Ice Punch might be up for consideration over one of the bottom two slots. Also unsure if P.def or S.def is better.

Rotom-Mow @ Power Herb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Solar Beam
- Milk Drink

Since I felt I had to add a Thick Fat set to this list, I felt Rotom-Mow was the best candidate due to it only having two weaknesses beyond Fire and Ice (specifically Poison and Bug) and having one of the most reliable secondary STABs that Miltank can provide (Electric => Thunderbolt). Shame that its Grass STAB is limited to Power Herb Solar Beam, but at least it gets BoltBeam with STAB Electric to compensate. Milk Drink could probably be substituted for Focus Blast to hit Magnezone, but 50/107/107 bulk in conjunction with reliable recovery is nice to have as well. Speaking of which, I'm not sure about the EVs either.

Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seismic Toss
- Shadow Ball
- Toxic
- Milk Drink

Because Miltank has no way to clear hazards or stop them from being laid, the best way to overcome this setback is to run a Magic Bounce Mega, and Sableye is arguably the best candidate. Sap Sipper is the ability of choice because its purpose prior to Mega Evolution outweighs those of its other ability choices. Seismic Toss for consistent damage, Shadow Ball for opposing Ghost-types, Milk Drink for recovery, and the third slot is up for debate. I just put Toxic because I already suggested Thunder Wave once before.

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Protect

A more offensive take on the "Magic Bounce Mega" idea. May not have Fairy STAB, but it does have Rock STAB and some nice coverage to back it up. Sap Sipper is more useful on Diancie since it actually has a Grass weakness. Fire Punch may be relatively weak, but it still does a number to non-FF Ferrothorn and other such Steel-types.

252 Atk Diancie Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 184-220 (52.2 - 62.5%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Mega Diancie Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 256-304 (72.7 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery​

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seismic Toss
- Milk Drink
- Thunder Wave
- Heal Bell

Of course I had to suggest Chansey as well. It's a lot like standard Chansey but with a different name for Soft-Boiled, a distinct lack of Wish, and different ability choices. Scrappy gives it a Seismic Toss with no immunities barring Shedinja, but Thick Fat is also acceptable to give it a pseudo-resistance to Fire- and Ice-type moves.

 

[Stocke]

Here are some new Leaders that alot of people didnt think of.

Rampardos

How did anyone forget Rampardos? This thing's movepool is SOOOO diverse it provides a STAB option for almost every type!!

Physical - Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Head Smash, Zen Headbutt, Superpower, Crunch, Iron Head, Outrage, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Pursuit, Endeavour

Special - Earth Power, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf, Thunder(bolt), Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Uproar

Status - SR, Swords Dance, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar/Whirlwind, Pain Split (Wtf?!?), Curse

Combine its wide movepool with its excellent abilities in Sheer Force and Mold Breaker and its a fantastic leader. The only drawback is.... your using Rampardos.

Now that you've brought this to my attention... I think I might try building a Rampardos team next. The only relevant things that Rampardos misses out on compared to Mawile are Super Fang, Play Rough, Intimidate, and I guess Flash Cannon though physical Steel coverage is generally better anyway, and access to Mold Breaker, Whirlwind/Roar, and a special Electric move that's better than Charge Beam should make up for it. I'll be sure to give this a try soon.

EDIT: And also Sucker Punch. Rampardos seems to be devoid of priority in general, really.

 

[G-Luke]

In its Defence, Rampardos with priority would probably be RU or UU in standard.

 

[Quantum Tesseract]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-336921509
Here is an inagural game.. Probably not the first, but oml birdspam is broken.

 

[Maleovex]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-336921509
Here is an inagural game.. Probably not the first, but oml birdspam is broken.

Can confirm, Lando-T in particular (I'm Omega Makusu btw)

 

[Isa Simple]

Leader Dump:

Druddigon:

Abilities: Rough Skin, Sheer Force, Mold Breaker.

Physical Moves: Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Super Power, Outrage, Crush Claw, Iron Tail, Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Aqua Tail, Fire Punch, Gunk Shot, Thunder Punch, Iron Head, Earthquake, Return, Shadow Claw, Rock Slide.
Special Moves: Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Heat Wave, Shock Wave, Surf, Hidden Power, Flamethrower, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse.

Status Moves: Hone Claws, Glare, Endure, Stealth Rock, Roar, Toxic, Taunt.

Amazing Leader for offense. If Garchomp has taught us anything it's that Rough Skin + Rocky Helmet with SR and Dragon Tail makes for one epic SR setter and chip damage for offensive teams. Back up this chip damage with some powerful Sheer Force boosted special (and physical) attacks, and a Hone Claws + Mold Breaker physical attacker to muscle past Unaware teams, and you've got yourself some pretty solid possibilities.

Barbaracle:

Abilities: Sniper, Tough Claws, Pickpocket.

Physical Moves: Skull Bash, Stone Edge, Night Slash, Razor Shell, Cross Chop, Dual Chop, Low Kick, Super Power, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Return, Aerial Ace, Shadow Claw, X-Scissor, Poison Jab.
Special Moves: Ancient Power, Earth Power, Surf, Hidden Power, Ice Beam, Sludge Wave, Focus Blast, Scald, Grass Knot.

Status Moves: Shell Smash, Rock Polish, Swords Dance, Hone Claws, Bulk Up, Switcheroo, Stealth Rock, Toxic, Taunt.

LOTs of boosting options, mostly for physical attackers but Special Attackers can still destroys with a SS and each option has its merits. Not many defensive options, but hopefully the combination of SR, Boosting, great coverage, and powerful Tough Claws/Sniper boosted attacks (Don't forget Grass Knot!) should be enough to dismantle most teams. Also not sure how well this'd go in practice, but a cool idea for a partner could be Snorlax with Tough Claws Skull Bash and Shadow Claw + Rest Talk.

Dunsparce:

Abilities: Run Away, Serene Grace, Rattled.

Physical Moves: Pursuit, Double Edge, Drill Run, Body Slam, Astonish, Bite, Headbutt, Zen Headbutt, Rock Slide, Aqua Tail, Iron Tail, Earthquake, Gyro Ball, Poison Jab, Wild Charge.
Special Moves: Ancient Power, Hex, Water Pulse, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Flame Thrower, Fire Blast, Shadow Ball.

Status Moves: Yawn, Roost, Glare, Coil, Agility, Stealth Rock, Calm Mind.

BAN DUNSPARCE. Never imagined myself saying that but I do indeed believe that Dunsparce (or more so Serene Grace) deserves to be looked into. Body Slam has a 60% chance to paralyze, Thunder has a 60% chance to paralyze, Glare has a 100% chance to paralyze even Ground types. Astonish, Bite, Headbutt and Rock Slide all have a 60% chance to flinch, Zen Headbutt has 40% chance to flinch. In case you haven't quite gotten it yet that is a fuck tonne of options for para flinch. Not to mention HEX. I mean a Dunsparce team is obviously gonna aim to just paralyze your entire team and go to town with Paraflinch, but they also have the option to absolutely Nuke your crippled ass shit with Hex. Also Water Pulse has a 40% chance to confuse. Paraflinchfusion anyone? Your electric types aren't exactly safe either with Dunsparce having access to EQ and Pursuit (could a specialised Ele-Killer Krook perhaps work?).
And that's just talking paraflinch shenanigans. Let's not ignore the power of Coil/Calm Mind + Roost. Dunsparce also has access to SR. Iron Tail has a 60% chance to lower your defence, Shadow Ball has a 40% chance to lower your special defence, Poison Jab has a 60% chance to poison. And just in general Dunsparce has some really nice coverage. Also don't underestimate Rattled as an option.



And just lastly, however I do agree that lower tier mons are some of the best leaders (I mean look at the mons I've discussed in this post), I also think that it's just more fun to find niches for lower tier pokemon, and that many of the best leaders are still OU mons and that their are a lot of good OU leaders that people haven't bothered to explore yet.
I mean people have talked about Sableye and Clefable, but I'm sure there are many more.
Take looks at Celebi and Infernape for instance. Both have SR and Recovery. Physical and Special boosting moves. Priority moves. Solid Physical and Special coverage. U-Turn and/or Baton Pass. Reliable status inflicting moves (Thunder Wave and Will-O-Wisp respectively). Plenty of other utility moves. And at least one useful ability.
Also Jirachi is good. But. Serene. Grace. Is. Aids.

 

[ostfralla]

Realy liking the premise of this meta. Teambuilding is really fun and challenging. I'll be on showdown all day, so please do hit me up with a challenge or three.

 

[Reisuke]

4 pages and no one mentions shedinja?

But yeah shouldn't shedinja be banned? Having it as a leader grants all your mons wonder guard. only downside is it's movepool but wonder guard really makes up for it doesn't it?

EDIT: scratch that apparently i can't read OPs well
EDIT2: so that this post isn't useless,

Aurorus seems a nice leader, being able to donate 2 nice abilities (although, 100% blizzard isn't that notable) and having a nice movepool to boot. Only downside is no recovery besides resttalk nor hazard control