Before I continue, I want to explain a few points I've seen being brought up.
1 - "Too much Waters"
Time and time again people just look at typing and say, "huh we got 4 water types we don't need anymore" without actually looking at what these Pokémon
do. FERU has what, 4 Water types? And none of them sans Eelektoad the most recent addition does what bulky waters do anyway. Alot of them are specialists that perform exceedingly well at a specific task, and function poorly outside of that. 4 water types and y'all still cant check a Shell Smash Toxicargo. 4 Water types and if Torrandus gets up a NP you gotta sack something to get your water type in. None of them are good checks to Mr. Boot. Swampflora (bless it's heart) highkey does not function as a bulky water type at all, and much more akin to the defensive niches and roles of a bulky Grass type (checks Grounds, Waters and annoys Electric
on paper) and is also so bad it's mega was D tier being the only mega available. One or two generalist Water types would do wonders for the tier so we can actually use these specialist mons to serve the very specific roles they were made to do.
2 - "Why drop X"
Going to preface this by ignoring Silvino. That mon is never worth discussion imo. Back to the topic at hand, I don't understand the argument to not drop a mon, not because it's too strong, but because it may be too weak? So like, why keep it in a metagame we KNOW it can't do anything in, instead of a fresher metagame where it's possibilities are much more palpable and existing niches are much more up for grabs? No harm happens if these mons drop and are not good, that's how tiering works. But the potential of keeping a mon that may find use in a lower tier in a higher one because you lack confidence in it is just silly.
3 - "Silvino"
Silvino is an exception to the above. As it currently exists, it won't be good in FE NU, I'm not asking. Even with the very best rework, I think only Steel, Ground, Fairy and perhaps nicher types like Poison, Electric and Water are salvagable for RU. A lot of it's niches are also eaten up by Audiyem, including it's Mega, which COMPLETELY outclasses it btw. I have no ideas what the council plans to do with it, but just letting y'all know at this point it may be beyond saving for the forseeable future, until FENU that is.
Now with that covered, I'll be sorting these in three categories (No Brainer - Easy Drop, Big Think - Very Contentious, may need rework, Headache - Better to leave them in UU)
No Brainer
- Goated defensive pivot. I personally do not think it's THAT annoying, but I can understand why some may think it needs a bulk nerf. Hopefully it's SpA will be fully maxed if that's the case, but otherwise is a very solid addition.
- Screws over teams reliant on Eviolite, but Eviolite users are not the cornerstone of our metagame, so I think it's fine. With a Dusking drop it may be hot ass even.
- Easy drop. Does funny Sableye things, but better than Sableye. It's Mega can do a funny thing with Swords Dance as well, not sure how good it would be though.
- Pretty fine, a slow bulky wallbreaker, does what actual Horse does in lower tiers but with priority and recovery. Hot take, even it's Mega is fine, big stats and all.
- Contrary to what some may believe, I don't think Cofazor would outclass Masq. Mons got pretty different toolboxes and by virtue if typing get fucked by different things. Fire, Ground and Dark are our best offensive typings right now so breaking it is near a non issue.
- Mon needs a new ability PRONTO. Otherwise its largely inoffensive and may even be inaffective?
- Mon is carried by Contrary, as otherwise it's pretty meh. 90 Speed tier REALLY crowded as an offensive mon rn, which hurts it but also keeps it balanced.
- Mon is good. Dude already has several hard checks and a counter or two running around. People are complaining about the speed, but the metagame is deathly slow, and a mon like Hypnakart is exactly what the tier needs to shift it out of it's balance funk.
- Funky Pokemon. Its frailer than Swampert, but is pretty powerful. I elect a simple offense drop and put it into speed and or defenses. It finally being our blanket Fire type check is something I really like, so getting this in is imo really good to me. + attack nerf means Mega is FREEEEE.
- Cooldefensive mon, actual defensive check to broken Claymalar instead of "Claymalar used Superpower, Eelektoad lost 30%. Claymalar uses Knock Off, Eelektoad fucking dies". Also I can actually run Grapplor to its full potential instead of being primarily used as a switchin to Clay for the whole game.
- It's worse Toxicargo. Spore goes really hard but the typing is worse, doesn't have the spicy recovery and it probably morr passive. Spore + Spikes carry it to RU level though I think its a fine drop.
Big Think
- Frozerade is probably the easiest of the "Big Think" to work around. Finally sets the 110 speed tier, and it's actual coverage isn't too hard to handle. Maybe a minor SpA nerf if really needed.
- Of course, as is, it's too much for UU. Questiin here lies is, do we wanna rework it, and if so, to do what? I am ofc, on board for Griffin Meta. You can go for a fast but not very strong offensive pivot, a slower hard hitter or a mix of both? I think it's typing, ability and movepool lends to the first role well.
- I think this takes some of of the good shit about Cofazor and Dusking and mashes it into one mon. A bulk nerf may be good here, but I am not as interested in this as both of those. Just a bit overtuned, but a nerf is doable and probably well liked for its annoying Mega.
- Ofc, its stats are too big if you drop it here. That is probably u deniable. But my main gripes are the awkward typing and the passiveness of the mon. Dude really just sits down and does nothing. Not sure if a stat rearrangement would mean an improvement on the general utility of this mon instead of simply "I sit down and won't move until a Fighting tyoe comes in" though, but if that works that would be cool. Some SpA bumps or enough Atk to make Curse worthwhile again, let it be Actual Snorlax instead of being that fat ndo mothing wall it currently is.
- Big bulky. It's much better at being a bulky Ice type than Glasnow, and has much more innate utility as well. There is potential for a nerf ofc, with rupt being forced to attack off its SpA and the possible rework of Permafrost (Solid Rock really buffs this Pokémon imo). Up yo others to see if it's worth it.
Headaches
- I agree with everyone here, Mega is too busted as is, leave it in FE RUBL where it belongs imo.
- I think this mon takes Anaconja's irrational feelings about Spore and actually does something with it that may be considered problematic. This this can go ham easily if you time Spore on its probably one counter you have on your team just right, unlike Paracoal that Spores a mon and then just spams Spikes til it dies. Belly Drum sets also go berserk and can shit on a lot of stuff. The Fire types in the tier screw it over but its not hard to play around / cripple them.
- My thing about Tanette? Nope. Unlike most of its brethren here, Tanette isn't an ineffective nicheless mon in FE UU, its niche us just rather very specific. Tanette is a hardstall Pokémon, like how you reasonably would only use certain stuff on HO. And its GOOD on Hard Stall. Nerfing it to fit into FERU, because as it stands rn, it would need a nerf, would be a massive blow to an already ok playstyle. Same way one wouldn't nerd Hippo to RU since its largely bad in UU, same goes here.
- This Pokémon does not need to drop to FEUU. Stop shackling yourself to it being a frail sanic speed mon because it sucks at doing that. Poison/Fighting does nothing for this Pokémon neither offensively nor defensively. Give it an actual good typing, Poison/Flying or Fire/Fighting or even Fire/Flying, remove all that completely unnecessary speed - its the second fastest non mega in the tier, but you would be forgiven to forget that since its speed tier isn't usedul for it for shit - and put it into bulk so it can actually switch into things instead if get 2hkoed by a random Moonblast. Either commit to a murdering Steel unwallable breaker with Fire Fighting or give it a typing that actually promotes spamming Toxic in Poison Flying. Like damn, do y'all jobs and admit when a mon fails its concept and move forward. It's the reason we are stuck with shit like this and Silvino and have no idea where to put them.
- This mon is too much right now. It's just Toxicargo and Toxicargo alone currently holding this thing at bay from ravaging the meta, and until last week no one ither than me used it so chances are we aren't rrady for a mon like this in our Christian virgin metagame.
ok tharts doen.
Also, please don't nerf my baby we just buffed him :-(
