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Pet Mod [Gen 1] RBY CAP - Revived! [CAP5 - Stats] [Leader's Choice]
- Thread starter Sabelette
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Instant Recovery Physical Oriented Mon
Reverse Chansey
Battle Buddies
Reverse Archetype
Super luck but not really
Reverse Chansey
Battle Buddies
Reverse Archetype
Super luck but not really
Reverse Archetype
Dance Party!
Sleeper Hit
Dance Party!
Sleeper Hit
Reverse Chansey
Reverse Archetype
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Dance Party!
Battle Buddies
Reverse Archetype
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Dance Party!
Battle Buddies
Reverse archetype
reverse chansey (self vote)
Dance party
slim shady
reverse chansey (self vote)
Dance party
slim shady
Super luck but not really
The Janitor
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Battle Buddies
Sapping Your Strength
The Janitor
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Battle Buddies
Sapping Your Strength
I tallied the votes!
In first-place by a landslide is Reverse Archetype
The next few were all very close, narrowly getting second and third are Super Luck but not Really and Dance Party!
So those are our three concepts for slate 2!
Now it's time to determine the Reverse Archetype pokemon's typing; it can be single or dual typed. This defines much of their possible matchup spread. Be careful when adding CAPmons of types that could disrupt the type balance, such as Ghost-, Fighting- or Bug-types, since these directly impact some of the strongest OU Pokemon.
For this slate, you can submit 2 typings. Roughly 72 hours to submit.
Just a refresher on the concept:
Reverse Archetype - Pokemon, specially in gen 1, are very restricted to their type's tropes - electrics are fast, rocks are slow, fighting types are physical, waters are bulky, etc. This slate would get one of these types and flip it on their head.
Have fun!
In first-place by a landslide is Reverse Archetype
The next few were all very close, narrowly getting second and third are Super Luck but not Really and Dance Party!
So those are our three concepts for slate 2!
Slate 2 Part 2A: Typing
Now it's time to determine the Reverse Archetype pokemon's typing; it can be single or dual typed. This defines much of their possible matchup spread. Be careful when adding CAPmons of types that could disrupt the type balance, such as Ghost-, Fighting- or Bug-types, since these directly impact some of the strongest OU Pokemon.
For this slate, you can submit 2 typings. Roughly 72 hours to submit.
Just a refresher on the concept:
Reverse Archetype - Pokemon, specially in gen 1, are very restricted to their type's tropes - electrics are fast, rocks are slow, fighting types are physical, waters are bulky, etc. This slate would get one of these types and flip it on their head.
Have fun!
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Rock/Poison - Ideally this mon is fast and frail, which is different from most Rock-types. Rock Slide is a very good move to click in OU context since it's hard to resist and hits Zapdos super-effectively. Poison primarily gives it STAB sludge to hit Exeggutor. I can also see this mon having a somewhat weak Blizzard to hit Rhydon and Gargoyle.
Grass
Yeah, just Grass. Every single Grass-type is a medium-speed somewhat bulky status spreader with middling or poor offense (except Eggy but carried by Psychic) and only Grass and Normal moves (and moves of their dual typing). They also all have Swords Dance for some reason bar Egg. I think there’s a lot of design space for a fast, offensive Grass-type with a little bit of coverage, and without giving it Sleep Powder and a Psychic resistance it can’t really invalidate Exeggutor’s existence.
Yeah, just Grass. Every single Grass-type is a medium-speed somewhat bulky status spreader with middling or poor offense (except Eggy but carried by Psychic) and only Grass and Normal moves (and moves of their dual typing). They also all have Swords Dance for some reason bar Egg. I think there’s a lot of design space for a fast, offensive Grass-type with a little bit of coverage, and without giving it Sleep Powder and a Psychic resistance it can’t really invalidate Exeggutor’s existence.
Electric
While most electrics are designed to be fast special attackers, electric is on paper a serviceable defensive typing. So it'd be cool to designed an electric capable of tanking hits that supports its team via paralysis spread with thunder wave and body slam.
Ghost
Pure ghost is an op defensive typing in gen 1, so a pure ghost type shouldn't be too reliable, however, ghost stab is horrible in gen 1 too, so I'm thinking a sort of bulky physical attacker (think like rhydon) that relies on coverage (we all know It'll use quakeslam) would be interesting.
While most electrics are designed to be fast special attackers, electric is on paper a serviceable defensive typing. So it'd be cool to designed an electric capable of tanking hits that supports its team via paralysis spread with thunder wave and body slam.
Ghost
Pure ghost is an op defensive typing in gen 1, so a pure ghost type shouldn't be too reliable, however, ghost stab is horrible in gen 1 too, so I'm thinking a sort of bulky physical attacker (think like rhydon) that relies on coverage (we all know It'll use quakeslam) would be interesting.
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Water/Ground
- A fast offensive mon with a solid defensive typing. Egg is one of the only mons that hit it super effectively allowing it to survive with its lower bulk. Targets Pokemon like Gengar, Rhydon, and the like.
- A fast offensive mon with a solid defensive typing. Egg is one of the only mons that hit it super effectively allowing it to survive with its lower bulk. Targets Pokemon like Gengar, Rhydon, and the like.
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Fighting/Fire - A special-oriented fighting pokemon, possibly average defense. Not sure about speed. It'll help give fire more presence while still keeping weakness to drill peck, earthquake, psychic, and surf and getting a resistance to blizzard and ice beam.
Ice/Ground - A physical-oriented ice type. Basically the ice is there for freeze resistance and potentially offers tricky matchups with beambolt chanseys.
Ice/Ground - A physical-oriented ice type. Basically the ice is there for freeze resistance and potentially offers tricky matchups with beambolt chanseys.
**Psychic/Flying**
Physically Oriented psychic type!
Preferably doesn't have the best special in the world as to not overlap with other Psychic types. I'd say like an average 80 special (which is the same as Slowbro) except without amnesia. The coverage would be alright.
Physically Oriented psychic type!
Preferably doesn't have the best special in the world as to not overlap with other Psychic types. I'd say like an average 80 special (which is the same as Slowbro) except without amnesia. The coverage would be alright.
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Electric/Flying
Both of these typings are known for being fast and frail, so a strong, slow, bulky Pokémon with those typings can increase the type variety in the number of defensive Pokémon available in the game, in addition to having one that's immune to paralysis and Ground-type attacks.
Both of these typings are known for being fast and frail, so a strong, slow, bulky Pokémon with those typings can increase the type variety in the number of defensive Pokémon available in the game, in addition to having one that's immune to paralysis and Ground-type attacks.
Ground/Rock
Peanut butter and chocolate. Lets flip Rhydon and Golem on their heads! A Rock Ground with incredible special bulk relying on high power but non stab special attacks for damage. It could spread status or be faster than chansey, dare I say it.
The typing alone lets it fill rhydons role of stopping zapdos whilst otherwise playing completely differently! The 4x weaknesses mean this thing has a lot of space for cool design whilst always having that achilles heel.
Peanut butter and chocolate. Lets flip Rhydon and Golem on their heads! A Rock Ground with incredible special bulk relying on high power but non stab special attacks for damage. It could spread status or be faster than chansey, dare I say it.
The typing alone lets it fill rhydons role of stopping zapdos whilst otherwise playing completely differently! The 4x weaknesses mean this thing has a lot of space for cool design whilst always having that achilles heel.
Zapdos already exists and is strong and bulky, and Electric-types aren’t immune to paralysis
Bug/Ice
the reverse archetype of bug is being good Bug has a good defensive profile in OU with many teams unable to hit it for super effective damage. However, the existing Bug mons are very frail and, other than Pinsir, have dual typings that add exploitable weaknesses. Ice dual-type supports this defensive value by adding a valuable freeze immunity/Ice resist without adding any relevant weaknesses, creating the only mon with a coveted Ice+Ground resist.
Quick personal thoughts on submissions so far, nothing official:
Rock/Poison - I'm not the biggest fan of adding yet another 4x Ground weakness, 2/3 CAPs so far are Ground-weak and one is a 4x weakness.
Grass - mine so no comment.
Electric - could be cool, I considered submitting either this or an Electric dual-type because Magneton is the closest thing to a slow bulky Elec and it still has decent Speed and no HP.
Ghost - dangerous, if it has utility it could supplant Chansey and if it has offensive stats it owns the physical Normals, but if it's more of a passive wall it could be okay.
Water/Ground - this as a fast attacker sounds cool, just keep in mind that it's not only Egg that hits this - plenty of moves are neutral on it and will do good damage, too, even if it's not the same as a 4x weakness.
Fighting/Fire - I don't see how this is going against the grain for a typing; against the grain for Fire would be something slow and for Fighting would be, well, something good, and putting these two types together is gonna need speed to be good. IMO best for a different slate and concept.
Psychic/Flying - I feel like making this physical is maybe just weird for the sake of being weird, Flying is a cool type to give after all the Ground-weak stuff we've done already and ensures some weaknesses to exploit but I don't know.
Electric/Flying - I think this is just playing into the type already and Zapdos is already a top tier Pokemon with great bulk; I don't think this concept can be done in a way that presents a reasonable alternative to Zap that isn't either underpowered or broken.
Ground/Rock - this is pretty cool IMO but I think the balance would be on a razor's edge to make it have applicability over Rhydon. I think it definitely has to outspeed Chansey naturally to offer anything useful when such a convenient wall to it exists, but I can see this doing stuff. Still not thrilled at adding yet another EQ-weak mon so soon, but this is a very good inversion of a stereotype.
Bug/Ice - Bug/Ice as a defensive typing is really cool, but 4x Rock/Fire weak is rough with Corupcake now around and Rhydon having a move to hit it. I can't imagine the defensive profile is going to carry it too far unless it can reasonably switch into coverage moves from Bull/Lax and scare them - I can imagine it having Slash and a solid Blizzard? Nothing too strong offensively but great defenses and decent offense could make this a real threat. I wouldn't give it Bug STAB though.
Rock/Poison - I'm not the biggest fan of adding yet another 4x Ground weakness, 2/3 CAPs so far are Ground-weak and one is a 4x weakness.
Grass - mine so no comment.
Electric - could be cool, I considered submitting either this or an Electric dual-type because Magneton is the closest thing to a slow bulky Elec and it still has decent Speed and no HP.
Ghost - dangerous, if it has utility it could supplant Chansey and if it has offensive stats it owns the physical Normals, but if it's more of a passive wall it could be okay.
Water/Ground - this as a fast attacker sounds cool, just keep in mind that it's not only Egg that hits this - plenty of moves are neutral on it and will do good damage, too, even if it's not the same as a 4x weakness.
Fighting/Fire - I don't see how this is going against the grain for a typing; against the grain for Fire would be something slow and for Fighting would be, well, something good, and putting these two types together is gonna need speed to be good. IMO best for a different slate and concept.
Psychic/Flying - I feel like making this physical is maybe just weird for the sake of being weird, Flying is a cool type to give after all the Ground-weak stuff we've done already and ensures some weaknesses to exploit but I don't know.
Electric/Flying - I think this is just playing into the type already and Zapdos is already a top tier Pokemon with great bulk; I don't think this concept can be done in a way that presents a reasonable alternative to Zap that isn't either underpowered or broken.
Ground/Rock - this is pretty cool IMO but I think the balance would be on a razor's edge to make it have applicability over Rhydon. I think it definitely has to outspeed Chansey naturally to offer anything useful when such a convenient wall to it exists, but I can see this doing stuff. Still not thrilled at adding yet another EQ-weak mon so soon, but this is a very good inversion of a stereotype.
Bug/Ice - Bug/Ice as a defensive typing is really cool, but 4x Rock/Fire weak is rough with Corupcake now around and Rhydon having a move to hit it. I can't imagine the defensive profile is going to carry it too far unless it can reasonably switch into coverage moves from Bull/Lax and scare them - I can imagine it having Slash and a solid Blizzard? Nothing too strong offensively but great defenses and decent offense could make this a real threat. I wouldn't give it Bug STAB though.
Psychic/Flying
Electric/Flying
Water/Ground
Bug/Ice
Electric/Flying
Water/Ground
Bug/Ice