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Pet Mod [Gen 1] RBY CAP - Revived! [CAP5 - Stats] [Leader's Choice]
- Thread starter Sabelette
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Dual STAB Mixed Attacker Typings:
Fire/Fighting
Fire/Ground
Priority Revenge Killer Typings:
Normal/Rock
Dragon/Fighting
Anti-Lead (Gengar Alternative) Typings:
Fire/Ghost
Rock
Fire/Fighting
Fire/Ground
Priority Revenge Killer Typings:
Normal/Rock
Dragon/Fighting
Anti-Lead (Gengar Alternative) Typings:
Fire/Ghost
Rock
We have winners!
Dual STAB Mixed Attacker: Fire/Poison*
Priority Revenge Killer: Dragon/Fighting
Anti-Lead (Gengar Alternative): Fire/Ghost
*Fire/Poison tied with Fire/Fighting for both first- and second-place votes. Sabel and I decided to give it to Fire/Poison since we already have a Fighting-type with the Dragon/Fighting mon.
From here we will focus on one concept at a time since we have the general idea (roles/typing) that each mon will fill.
With that, let's begin!
Slate 1 Part 3A: StatsLet's first focus on the Fire/Poison pokemon. You will have 72 hours to submit a stat spread for this Pokemon. Please give an HP, Attack, Defense, Special, and Speed stat and specify which is which. Some guidelines:
Dual STAB Mixed Attacker: Fire/Poison*
Priority Revenge Killer: Dragon/Fighting
Anti-Lead (Gengar Alternative): Fire/Ghost
*Fire/Poison tied with Fire/Fighting for both first- and second-place votes. Sabel and I decided to give it to Fire/Poison since we already have a Fighting-type with the Dragon/Fighting mon.
From here we will focus on one concept at a time since we have the general idea (roles/typing) that each mon will fill.
With that, let's begin!
Slate 1 Part 3A: Stats
- Keep the concept in mind! in this case the mon is supposed to be a Dual STAB Mixed Attacker. This means, for example, giving it a low attack stat doesn't really make a lot of sense.
- Be careful not to go overboard with the stats. Remember the goal for the mon to be somewhere in the range of 9th-20th in power on a theoretical viability rankings.
- Similarly, be careful not to directly outclass anything relavant in OU. In this case, the mon I would be most worried about directly outclassing is Moltres. There should still be reasons to use Moltres over this mon.
HP: 85
ATK: 105
DEF: 55
SPECIAL: 100
SPEED: 85
BST: 430/530
Crit: 16,60%
Defensive calcs:
Tauros Earthquake vs. Abra: 411-484 (110.1 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (KOd by the weakest relevant EQ)
Jynx Psychic vs. Abra: 190-224 (50.9 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (2HKOd by weakest relevant psychic other than Slowbro without boosts)
Cloyster Surf vs. Abra: 188-222 (50.4 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (2HKOd by weakest relevant surf other than Slowbro without boosts)
Tauros Body Slam vs. Abra: 131-154 (35.1 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Abra: 230-271 (61.6 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (more likely than not to be 2HKOd by slam + beam)
Rhydon Body Slam vs. Abra: 105-124 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Articuno Blizzard vs. Abra: 153-180 (41 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Offensive calcs (asuming 80 BP poison STAB signature move represented by sludge):
Abra Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 168-198 (32.1 - 37.8%) -- 95.5% chance to 3HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Chansey: 245-289 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Abra Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 307-361 (43.6 - 51.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Tauros: 163-192 (46.1 - 54.3%) -- 55.6% chance to 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Exeggutor: 221-260 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 200-236 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Gengar: 108-127 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 142-168 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- 74.5% chance to 2HKO
Abra Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 177-208 (56.5 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Alakazam: 142-168 (45.3 - 53.6%) -- 40.7% chance to 2HKO
All in all, with this stat spread it is able to be a threatening mon but also frail enough not to be out of control, though the speed might be too high, that's the only stat here I am somewhat unsure of, I'd appreciate some feedback to possibly lower the speed to something like 60, so it still outspeeds Golem and Eggy but not Cloyster. Currently its speedier than dnite, but it's also slower than Jynx.
I've also done calcs with eq and calcs vs itself, since someone in the server did mention something about giving it eq. It 0HKOs itself with eq whereas otherwise it'd oftentimes KO itself with 4 slams or 2 slams into beam. It 2HKOs Gengar while it'd usually 3HKO it, and it'd almost always 3HKO Rhydon whereas it'd 4 HKO it with fblast.
ATK: 105
DEF: 55
SPECIAL: 100
SPEED: 85
BST: 430/530
Crit: 16,60%
Defensive calcs:
Tauros Earthquake vs. Abra: 411-484 (110.1 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (KOd by the weakest relevant EQ)
Jynx Psychic vs. Abra: 190-224 (50.9 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (2HKOd by weakest relevant psychic other than Slowbro without boosts)
Cloyster Surf vs. Abra: 188-222 (50.4 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (2HKOd by weakest relevant surf other than Slowbro without boosts)
Tauros Body Slam vs. Abra: 131-154 (35.1 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Abra: 230-271 (61.6 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (more likely than not to be 2HKOd by slam + beam)
Rhydon Body Slam vs. Abra: 105-124 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Articuno Blizzard vs. Abra: 153-180 (41 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Offensive calcs (asuming 80 BP poison STAB signature move represented by sludge):
Abra Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 168-198 (32.1 - 37.8%) -- 95.5% chance to 3HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Chansey: 245-289 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Abra Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 307-361 (43.6 - 51.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Tauros: 163-192 (46.1 - 54.3%) -- 55.6% chance to 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Exeggutor: 221-260 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 200-236 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Gengar: 108-127 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Abra Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 142-168 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- 74.5% chance to 2HKO
Abra Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 177-208 (56.5 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Abra Sludge vs. Alakazam: 142-168 (45.3 - 53.6%) -- 40.7% chance to 2HKO
All in all, with this stat spread it is able to be a threatening mon but also frail enough not to be out of control, though the speed might be too high, that's the only stat here I am somewhat unsure of, I'd appreciate some feedback to possibly lower the speed to something like 60, so it still outspeeds Golem and Eggy but not Cloyster. Currently its speedier than dnite, but it's also slower than Jynx.
I've also done calcs with eq and calcs vs itself, since someone in the server did mention something about giving it eq. It 0HKOs itself with eq whereas otherwise it'd oftentimes KO itself with 4 slams or 2 slams into beam. It 2HKOs Gengar while it'd usually 3HKO it, and it'd almost always 3HKO Rhydon whereas it'd 4 HKO it with fblast.
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i brought this up in discord but to have it in the thread as well, contrary to the slate post i dont think there is any concern of this mon outclassing moltres since it will not be an agility sweeper that beats tauros, rather i think the concern is making sure the mon would be viable at all.
being outsped and ohkod by tauros is really terrible in OU, rhydon already suffers from its poor tauros mu, then on top of that this has the big starmie issue and to some extent alakazam as well.
barring some unexpected movepool addition this seems pretty much outclassed by for example flareon, even if it hits chansey slightly harder and ig also outspeeds cloy but at the cost of ohkod by tauros and mie being able to switch in to it pretty freely since it doesnt have 130 atk body slam; and ofc flareon is already not rly a serious OU pokemon.
not to mention mons like cloyster or victreebel already are special attackers that have no difficulty threatening chansey and its hard to see why this would ever be chosen over them either tho at least it is better vs zapdos i guess
interested to hear others' thoughts but my inclination would be to not have this pokemon be outsped and ohkod by tauros, ie either give it physical bulk (prob a lot more physical bulk) or make it >110 speed (ofc needs to still be under 115 speed).
even if this had moltres's stats molt would prob be preferred most of the time as beating tauros (something very few mons do) is a far more useful trait than pressuring chansey a little better.
(ofc the bp of the poison stab can also be discussed but my understanding is that it needs to stay within the 80-100 range so that it is comparable to other rby stab moves, making an overpowered stab move would be contrary to the purpose of cap)
Part of my thought process making it that slow is that if we make it faster than Jynx it already becomes somewhat of a Jynx anti-lead, which is a niche we already want to cover with another fire type mon. Other than that I see this mon as preying on eggy specifically and given its fire moves and a potential burning poison-STAB, physical attackers can't really switch into it.
HP: 63
Attack: 120
Defense: 85
Special: 105
Speed: 77
Critical Hit Ratio: 15.04%
Base Stat Total: 450
Some Notable Calcs: (pretending that Sludge is replaced with a hypothetical 80 BP STAB Poison move, and that Mew is the CAPmon)
Tauros Earthquake vs. Mew: 319-376 (96.9 - 114.2%) -- 82.1% chance to OHKO
Snorlax Body Slam vs. Mew: 109-129 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
Snorlax Hyper Beam vs. Mew: 191-225 (58 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Exeggutor Explosion vs. Mew: 266-313 (80.8 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Chansey Ice Beam vs. Mew: 68-81 (20.6 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Alakazam Psychic vs. Mew: 234-276 (71.1 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Gengar Psychic vs. Mew: 151-178 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO
Cloyster Clamp vs. Mew: 68-80 (20.6 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after trapping damage
Mew Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 176-207 (33.6 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Chansey: 268-316 (38.1 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 335-394 (47.6 - 56%) -- 83.5% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 219-258 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Body Slam vs. Starmie: 77-91 (23.8 - 28.1%) -- 93.7% chance to 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Alakazam: 155-183 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 99.5% chance to 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 193-227 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Rhydon: 106-125 (25.6 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Zapdos: 109-129 (28.4 - 33.6%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 148-174 (48.8 - 57.4%) -- 95.4% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jynx: 173-204 (51.9 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Jolteon: 168-198 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Persian: 176-207 (52.8 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Victreebel: 270-318 (74.3 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Like a lot of middling speed mons found around the B/C tier of the VR, I imagine this mon will appreciate getting the enemy team paralyzed (this thing would really love having body slam and fire spin *cough cough*) . A 15% critical hit rate is workable. Has great attacking stats and some bulk to play with for taking those nasty psychics and surfs. I don't think many mons will want to switch into this thing's attacks, even Rhydon. I don't see this mon taking over the meta by any means, even with a 450 BST. However, I do think its ability to throw burn and para onto many switch-ins that really hate being statused (like paralyzing fast psychics and burning strong earthquake users) while also racking on real damage in the process (due to that nice 120 atk & 105 spc) will be solid. I think a fire/poison with these stats would have some real reason for usage without being necessary or meta-morphing at all.
Attack: 120
Defense: 85
Special: 105
Speed: 77
Critical Hit Ratio: 15.04%
Base Stat Total: 450
Some Notable Calcs: (pretending that Sludge is replaced with a hypothetical 80 BP STAB Poison move, and that Mew is the CAPmon)
Tauros Earthquake vs. Mew: 319-376 (96.9 - 114.2%) -- 82.1% chance to OHKO
Snorlax Body Slam vs. Mew: 109-129 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
Snorlax Hyper Beam vs. Mew: 191-225 (58 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Exeggutor Explosion vs. Mew: 266-313 (80.8 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Chansey Ice Beam vs. Mew: 68-81 (20.6 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Alakazam Psychic vs. Mew: 234-276 (71.1 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Gengar Psychic vs. Mew: 151-178 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO
Cloyster Clamp vs. Mew: 68-80 (20.6 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after trapping damage
Mew Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 176-207 (33.6 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Chansey: 268-316 (38.1 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 335-394 (47.6 - 56%) -- 83.5% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 219-258 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Body Slam vs. Starmie: 77-91 (23.8 - 28.1%) -- 93.7% chance to 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Alakazam: 155-183 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 99.5% chance to 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 193-227 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Rhydon: 106-125 (25.6 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Zapdos: 109-129 (28.4 - 33.6%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 148-174 (48.8 - 57.4%) -- 95.4% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jynx: 173-204 (51.9 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Jolteon: 168-198 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Persian: 176-207 (52.8 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Victreebel: 270-318 (74.3 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Like a lot of middling speed mons found around the B/C tier of the VR, I imagine this mon will appreciate getting the enemy team paralyzed (this thing would really love having body slam and fire spin *cough cough*) . A 15% critical hit rate is workable. Has great attacking stats and some bulk to play with for taking those nasty psychics and surfs. I don't think many mons will want to switch into this thing's attacks, even Rhydon. I don't see this mon taking over the meta by any means, even with a 450 BST. However, I do think its ability to throw burn and para onto many switch-ins that really hate being statused (like paralyzing fast psychics and burning strong earthquake users) while also racking on real damage in the process (due to that nice 120 atk & 105 spc) will be solid. I think a fire/poison with these stats would have some real reason for usage without being necessary or meta-morphing at all.
Gonna go with a glass cannon approach here:
HP: 45
ATK: 120
DEF: 61
SPC: 108
SPE: 111
BST: 445 (553)
108 Special is such a sweet spot in terms of Special. You have a 94.3% chance to 2HKO Tauros with Fire Blast, but you never OHKO Jynx, preventing it from stealing the antilead role that one of the future CAPmons will have. 111 Speed makes it outspeed Tauros while still being slower than Starmie. I decided to give it a low HP stat so that way it's 2HKOed by Gengar's Psychic, since I don't want this thing to be able to antilead Gengar either. 120 Attack lets it 3HKO Starmie with a hypothetical 80BP Poison STAB move, but the STAB + Hyper Beam cannot KO Chansey from full. Defense is the main "arbitrary stat" that I chose, but combined with the low HP it is KOed by Tauros's EQ. I chose 61 since it makes the BST a nice round number.
HP: 45
ATK: 120
DEF: 61
SPC: 108
SPE: 111
BST: 445 (553)
108 Special is such a sweet spot in terms of Special. You have a 94.3% chance to 2HKO Tauros with Fire Blast, but you never OHKO Jynx, preventing it from stealing the antilead role that one of the future CAPmons will have. 111 Speed makes it outspeed Tauros while still being slower than Starmie. I decided to give it a low HP stat so that way it's 2HKOed by Gengar's Psychic, since I don't want this thing to be able to antilead Gengar either. 120 Attack lets it 3HKO Starmie with a hypothetical 80BP Poison STAB move, but the STAB + Hyper Beam cannot KO Chansey from full. Defense is the main "arbitrary stat" that I chose, but combined with the low HP it is KOed by Tauros's EQ. I chose 61 since it makes the BST a nice round number.
HP: 93
Attack: 105
Defense: 82
Special: 95
Speed: 81
Base Stat Total: 454/549
I'm gonna try my hand at expanding our options a little bit while sticking close to some of the prior submissions. Sludge is 85BP here representing a potential signature move and I threw in calcs for Tbolt because Weezing and Muk get Tbolt and I think it'd be a very middling coverage option for this stat spread - adds consistency but means you're dropping Body Slam or Hyper Beam, both of which are really useful. Body Slam lets it threaten paralysis because it does force out quite a few targets, and Hyper Beam lets it guarantee finishes on Chansey and Zam from ranges Sludge doesn't manage. If this gets any good utility moves, then it's also very starved for moveslots - I can't imagine much that would be good for it besides Agility (which feels like too much), but maybe we could consider giving it Light Screen since it has massive weaknesses on both sides defensively and would be easy to play around.
HP/Defense stat was chosen to let it specifically live Tauros EQ at full but be unsafe versus Snorlax, giving it some slight chances in these matchups without having too much to work with. Attack was set to let it challenge Zam/Mie/Chansey without just flat-out beating them, especially Mie and Chansey; it needs some chip on them to be able to keep them from switching in to catch burn/poison (depending on what we do with its Poison option). I also wanted "Sludge" to be hard to switch into for neutral targets without being totally overbearing, so I aimed for a 4HKO versus Zapdos as a good baseline and I wanted it to not 3HKO Snorlax especially. Special is a little bit lower to both ensure every single Psychic/Surf is taking it out in 2 hits (even Slowbro has great odds) and so Fire Blast isn't just outright guaranteed 2HKOing Tauros or such, preserving the Moltres niche, though I acknowledge I may have been a bit conservative. Speed stat was chosen to outrun Dnite specifically, I wanted this sub to be faster than Cloyster but slower than Jynx and settled on giving it a 30% to stop Agiliwrap Dnite to give it a little bit of additional utility.
Attack: 105
Defense: 82
Special: 95
Speed: 81
Base Stat Total: 454/549
I'm gonna try my hand at expanding our options a little bit while sticking close to some of the prior submissions. Sludge is 85BP here representing a potential signature move and I threw in calcs for Tbolt because Weezing and Muk get Tbolt and I think it'd be a very middling coverage option for this stat spread - adds consistency but means you're dropping Body Slam or Hyper Beam, both of which are really useful. Body Slam lets it threaten paralysis because it does force out quite a few targets, and Hyper Beam lets it guarantee finishes on Chansey and Zam from ranges Sludge doesn't manage. If this gets any good utility moves, then it's also very starved for moveslots - I can't imagine much that would be good for it besides Agility (which feels like too much), but maybe we could consider giving it Light Screen since it has massive weaknesses on both sides defensively and would be easy to play around.
HP/Defense stat was chosen to let it specifically live Tauros EQ at full but be unsafe versus Snorlax, giving it some slight chances in these matchups without having too much to work with. Attack was set to let it challenge Zam/Mie/Chansey without just flat-out beating them, especially Mie and Chansey; it needs some chip on them to be able to keep them from switching in to catch burn/poison (depending on what we do with its Poison option). I also wanted "Sludge" to be hard to switch into for neutral targets without being totally overbearing, so I aimed for a 4HKO versus Zapdos as a good baseline and I wanted it to not 3HKO Snorlax especially. Special is a little bit lower to both ensure every single Psychic/Surf is taking it out in 2 hits (even Slowbro has great odds) and so Fire Blast isn't just outright guaranteed 2HKOing Tauros or such, preserving the Moltres niche, though I acknowledge I may have been a bit conservative. Speed stat was chosen to outrun Dnite specifically, I wanted this sub to be faster than Cloyster but slower than Jynx and settled on giving it a 30% to stop Agiliwrap Dnite to give it a little bit of additional utility.
Mew Fire Blast vs. Tauros: 159-187 (45 - 52.9%) -- 27.7% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Tauros: 99-117 (28 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 164-193 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- 78% chance to 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Snorlax: 125-147 (23.9 - 28.1%) -- 93.4% chance to 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Chansey: 261-307 (37.1 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 307-361 (43.6 - 51.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Alakazam: 150-177 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- 88.7% chance to 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 177-208 (56.5 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Starmie: 107-126 (33.1 - 39%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Starmie: 134-158 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Exeggutor: 216-254 (54.9 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 214-252 (54.4 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Gengar: 105-124 (32.5 - 38.3%) -- 98.5% chance to 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Gengar: 32-38 (9.9 - 11.7%) -- possible 9HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Zapdos: 108-127 (28.1 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Zapdos: 107-126 (27.9 - 32.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Rhydon: 99-117 (23.9 - 28.3%) -- 96.4% chance to 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 139-164 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.2% chance to 2HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Cloyster: 148-174 (48.8 - 57.4%) -- 95.4% chance to 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Jynx: 260-306 (78 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jynx: 168-198 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Slowbro: 90-106 (22.9 - 26.9%) -- 42% chance to 4HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Slowbro: 154-182 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jolteon: 131-154 (39.3 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Tauros: 99-117 (28 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Snorlax: 164-193 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- 78% chance to 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Snorlax: 125-147 (23.9 - 28.1%) -- 93.4% chance to 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Chansey: 261-307 (37.1 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 307-361 (43.6 - 51.3%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Alakazam: 150-177 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- 88.7% chance to 2HKO
Mew Hyper Beam vs. Alakazam: 177-208 (56.5 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Starmie: 107-126 (33.1 - 39%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Starmie: 134-158 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Exeggutor: 216-254 (54.9 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Exeggutor: 214-252 (54.4 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Gengar: 105-124 (32.5 - 38.3%) -- 98.5% chance to 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Gengar: 32-38 (9.9 - 11.7%) -- possible 9HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Zapdos: 108-127 (28.1 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Zapdos: 107-126 (27.9 - 32.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Rhydon: 99-117 (23.9 - 28.3%) -- 96.4% chance to 4HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Cloyster: 139-164 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.2% chance to 2HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Cloyster: 148-174 (48.8 - 57.4%) -- 95.4% chance to 2HKO
Mew Fire Blast vs. Jynx: 260-306 (78 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jynx: 168-198 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Slowbro: 90-106 (22.9 - 26.9%) -- 42% chance to 4HKO
Mew Thunderbolt vs. Slowbro: 154-182 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mew Sludge vs. Jolteon: 131-154 (39.3 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Tauros Earthquake vs. Mew: 330-388 (84.8 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Snorlax Body Slam vs. Mew: 112-132 (28.7 - 33.9%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO
Snorlax Earthquake vs. Mew: 354-416 (91 - 106.9%) -- 43.6% chance to OHKO
Chansey Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 74-87 (19 - 22.3%) -- possible 5HKO
Alakazam Psychic vs. Mew: 250-294 (64.2 - 75.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Starmie Blizzard vs. Mew: 89-105 (22.8 - 26.9%) -- 43.2% chance to 4HKO
Starmie Psychic vs. Mew: 200-236 (51.4 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Exeggutor Psychic vs. Mew: 236-278 (60.6 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Gengar Psychic vs. Mew: 161-190 (41.3 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Gengar Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 85-100 (21.8 - 25.7%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO
Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 125-147 (32.1 - 37.7%) -- 94.5% chance to 3HKO
Rhydon Earthquake vs. Mew: 595-700 (152.9 - 179.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Cloyster Blizzard vs. Mew: 120-142 (30.8 - 36.5%) -- 64.2% chance to 3HKO
Cloyster Surf vs. Mew: 194-228 (49.8 - 58.6%) -- 99.7% chance to 2HKO
Jynx Psychic vs. Mew: 195-230 (50.1 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Slowbro Surf vs. Mew: 183-216 (47 - 55.5%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO
Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 113-133 (29 - 34.1%) -- 1.8% chance to 3HKO
Snorlax Body Slam vs. Mew: 112-132 (28.7 - 33.9%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO
Snorlax Earthquake vs. Mew: 354-416 (91 - 106.9%) -- 43.6% chance to OHKO
Chansey Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 74-87 (19 - 22.3%) -- possible 5HKO
Alakazam Psychic vs. Mew: 250-294 (64.2 - 75.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Starmie Blizzard vs. Mew: 89-105 (22.8 - 26.9%) -- 43.2% chance to 4HKO
Starmie Psychic vs. Mew: 200-236 (51.4 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Exeggutor Psychic vs. Mew: 236-278 (60.6 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Gengar Psychic vs. Mew: 161-190 (41.3 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Gengar Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 85-100 (21.8 - 25.7%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO
Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 125-147 (32.1 - 37.7%) -- 94.5% chance to 3HKO
Rhydon Earthquake vs. Mew: 595-700 (152.9 - 179.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Cloyster Blizzard vs. Mew: 120-142 (30.8 - 36.5%) -- 64.2% chance to 3HKO
Cloyster Surf vs. Mew: 194-228 (49.8 - 58.6%) -- 99.7% chance to 2HKO
Jynx Psychic vs. Mew: 195-230 (50.1 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Slowbro Surf vs. Mew: 183-216 (47 - 55.5%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO
Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. Mew: 113-133 (29 - 34.1%) -- 1.8% chance to 3HKO
Voting is open!
This time, just like last time, pick your top 2 choices. We'll only look at first-place votes at first, and move onto second-place votes if there's a tie between the first-place ones. If you submitted, you cannot vote for yourself in first place, but you can for second.
This time, vote based on the username of the person who submitted the stat spread. This means the options are:
eshe0
WildCard782
gastlies
Sabelette
48 Hours to vote!
This time, just like last time, pick your top 2 choices. We'll only look at first-place votes at first, and move onto second-place votes if there's a tie between the first-place ones. If you submitted, you cannot vote for yourself in first place, but you can for second.
This time, vote based on the username of the person who submitted the stat spread. This means the options are:
eshe0
WildCard782
gastlies
Sabelette
48 Hours to vote!
gastlies
WildCard782
WildCard782
Eshe0
Sabelette
Sabelette
As voting closes, the winning stat spread is Sabelette! (weird to say that in third person, but anyway). Here are the stats again:
HP: 93
Attack: 105
Defense: 82
Special: 95
Speed: 81
Base Stat Total: 454/549
HP: 93
Attack: 105
Defense: 82
Special: 95
Speed: 81
Base Stat Total: 454/549
Slate 1 Part 4A: Competitive Learnset
You will have 72 hours to submit the competitively useful moves for this Pokémon. This does not include useless moves that exist for flavor. Some guidelines:- Keep the concept in mind! in this case the mon is supposed to be a Dual STAB Mixed Attacker. This means, for example, it should have… STAB moves for both types.
- Keep in mind what moves are available by TM and HM in RBY; anything that isn’t will have to be gotten by level up or “event,” so try to make sure the moves you give it can be justified in some way, even if it’s a little bit of a stretch.
- As before, keep the intended power level in mind here - around 9-20 on the VR.
- A signature move can be added here, but must conform to RBY mechanics and effects and should not be the only thing this mon has going for it.
Because I think the core moves of this sub won't differ too much, I thought I'd throw this in as an option. Muk has a pretty diverse learnpool and stats aren't so removed from this one (-8 Muk HP being the only drop... maybe eroded down by all the burning). HOWEVER obviously this does not necessarily affect the flavour of the mon, just adds that possibility.
TM/HM
Fire Blast - Heavy hitting, main stab move that can burn!
Hyper Beam - Help finish off low def mons
Thunderbolt - coverage for waters
Mega Drain - coverage for the Don
Body Slam
Thunder
Learned
Explosion - poison/fire mon ain't lasting long, let it go up in flames of blazing glory. Gives it some x factor it needs imo.
Acid Armor - Buff up on sleeping lax to let you take it out... otherwise probably nothing crazy but maybe some late game potential.
+ Flame Thrower - If you really hate gambling
Signature
16PP 85BP 100ACC
- Burn can debeak zapdos... woohoo!
- However, most things you want to hit with this, you DONT want to burn.
- Hoping for Fire Blast rolls on Cloyster, Snorlax, in addition to it being better for Tauros and Rhydon.
- Fire Blast is better for Eggy, Jynx and Gengar too
- Chansey, Alakazam and Starmie would love to take the free para-immunity you are handing out like candy
- I think it would literally prefer 65BP but no burn/poison, and why give it a signature attack if its going to be that unhelpful?
Overall, this mon is gonna last about two moves from most pokemon in the tier, and doesn't deserve to have such a hinderance on its signature move.
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Potentially Useful Moves Learned by Level-Up:
Confuse Ray
Haze
Screech
Fire Spin
Neurotoxin
Potentially Useful Moves Learned by TM/HM: (obviously we aren't listing stuff like Bide and Toxic here but everything gets those so yeah)
TM08 - Body Slam
TM10 - Double-Edge
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM21 - Mega Drain
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM33 - Reflect
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM44 - Rest
TM47 - Explosion
TM50 - Substitute
Signature Move - Neural Melt / のうどく(Nou Doku - Brain Poison)
Type: Poison
PP: 15 at base (24 at maximum)
Base Power: 90
Accuracy: 90%
Secondary Effect: 33% chance to lower the target's special by 1 stage
I think this movepool is quite reasonable for a Fire/Poison type and will provide this Pokemon with enough options to have some set variety while also leaving it quite open to something no matter what it tries to fit. To me, the idea of a physical attack that can lower special is really cool, especially on a mixed attacker. It has a solid amount of PP as well, but the slight chance to miss should add some spice to the risk-reward aspect of the move (remember, this mon isn't supposed to be fantastic, so having its only 100% accurate moves be coverage options could definitely prove to be an interesting balance factor). I suspect 4 move slot syndrome will be very much present on this mon, and that's something I think is quite all right. There may be a tendency to forget that the signature move isn't supposed to be the CAPmon's main tool, but rather a complimentary move that is merely there to add some flavor to the Pokemon. Honestly? In my opinion, the concept of a fire type Pokemon with some special coverage to hit waters + rocks AND access to boom is already so interesting and unique that it might not even need to run its signature move to be worth using, although I imagine it will run it more often than not.
Confuse Ray
Haze
Screech
Fire Spin
Neurotoxin
Potentially Useful Moves Learned by TM/HM: (obviously we aren't listing stuff like Bide and Toxic here but everything gets those so yeah)
TM08 - Body Slam
TM10 - Double-Edge
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM21 - Mega Drain
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM33 - Reflect
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM44 - Rest
TM47 - Explosion
TM50 - Substitute
Signature Move - Neural Melt / のうどく(Nou Doku - Brain Poison)
Type: Poison
PP: 15 at base (24 at maximum)
Base Power: 90
Accuracy: 90%
Secondary Effect: 33% chance to lower the target's special by 1 stage
I think this movepool is quite reasonable for a Fire/Poison type and will provide this Pokemon with enough options to have some set variety while also leaving it quite open to something no matter what it tries to fit. To me, the idea of a physical attack that can lower special is really cool, especially on a mixed attacker. It has a solid amount of PP as well, but the slight chance to miss should add some spice to the risk-reward aspect of the move (remember, this mon isn't supposed to be fantastic, so having its only 100% accurate moves be coverage options could definitely prove to be an interesting balance factor). I suspect 4 move slot syndrome will be very much present on this mon, and that's something I think is quite all right. There may be a tendency to forget that the signature move isn't supposed to be the CAPmon's main tool, but rather a complimentary move that is merely there to add some flavor to the Pokemon. Honestly? In my opinion, the concept of a fire type Pokemon with some special coverage to hit waters + rocks AND access to boom is already so interesting and unique that it might not even need to run its signature move to be worth using, although I imagine it will run it more often than not.
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Notable level up moves:
[unnamed signature move]
Explosion
Flamethrower
Recover
Notable TM moves:
TM08 - Body Slam
TM10 - Double-Edge
TM11 - Bubblebeam
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM38 - Fire Blast
[unnamed signature move] - Poison / 85BP / 10PP (16) / 100% Acc
33% chance to lower the target's Special stat by 1 stage.
[unnamed signature move]
Explosion
Flamethrower
Recover
Notable TM moves:
TM08 - Body Slam
TM10 - Double-Edge
TM11 - Bubblebeam
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM38 - Fire Blast
[unnamed signature move] - Poison / 85BP / 10PP (16) / 100% Acc
33% chance to lower the target's Special stat by 1 stage.
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Notable LvUp Moves
Sludge
Fire Spin
Acid Armor
Flamethrower
SIGNATURE MOVE - Poison / 85 BP / 16 PP / 100% Acc [30% chance to lower special]
Notable TM Moves
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM08 - Body Slam
TM11 - Bubble Beam
TM25 - Thunderbolt
TM47 - Explosion
TM48 - Rock Slide
Mandatory notable TM Moves
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM50 - Substitute
TM44 - Rest
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Main change from the usual submissions is the removal of Mega Drain for Bubblebeam and the addition of Rock Slide as physical coverage
Sludge
Fire Spin
Acid Armor
Flamethrower
SIGNATURE MOVE - Poison / 85 BP / 16 PP / 100% Acc [30% chance to lower special]
Notable TM Moves
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM08 - Body Slam
TM11 - Bubble Beam
TM25 - Thunderbolt
TM47 - Explosion
TM48 - Rock Slide
Mandatory notable TM Moves
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM50 - Substitute
TM44 - Rest
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Main change from the usual submissions is the removal of Mega Drain for Bubblebeam and the addition of Rock Slide as physical coverage
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