Gengar [QC 1/2]

[Malfunction]

[SET]
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Nasty Plot
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Focus Blast / Dazzling Gleam
item: Black Sludge / Life Orb
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Gengar acts as a great wall breaker, capable of taking advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable and overwhelming defensive threats like Toxapex, Corviknight, and Hippowdon. Substitute is used to ease decisions and avoid getting paralyzed by Blissey and Amoonguss and help prevent Gengar from being revenge killed by common priority users such as Urshifu and Rillaboom. Focus Blast is the recommended move for the fourth slot as it allows Gengar to 2HKO Blissey and Mandibuzz after a Nasty Plot boost. Alternatively, Dazzling Gleam can be used for a more accurate attack against Mandibuzz and Urshifu.

A Timid nature is used to maximize Gengar's speed and ensure it outspeeds Urshifu, Volcarona, and Hydreigon, and base 100 Pokemon like Jirachi. While Black Sludge is the preferred item of choice, as Gengar is prone to chip damage, Life Orb is notable for allowing Gengar to OHKO Hippowdon and Mandibuzz after a Nasty Plot boost.

Gengar fits best on bulky offensive and balance teams that can take advantage of Clefable and common defensive threats. As it's prone to being chipped down, it appreciates Wish support from Clefable and Blissey. Teleport Clefable, in particular, can also be used to bring in Gengar safely. U-turn and Volt Switch support from the likes of Corviknight, Rotom-h, and Hydreigon can also help get Gengar in safely. Nasty Plot Rotom-h can be used alongside Gengar to form a potent wall-breaking core.

[SET]
name: Hex
move 1: Hex
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Substitute
item: Black Sludge
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 96 HP / 72 SpA / 88 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Gengar makes for a great user of Hex as it commonly forces switches thanks to its great offensive typing. Its ability to take advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable gives it ample opportunities to inflict status on the opponent's Pokemon. Hex can then be used to inflict massive amounts of damage, transforming Gengar into a potent wall breaker or a late-game cleaner. Will-O-Wisp is used to burn common switch-ins to Gengar like Toxapex and Ferrothorn, threatening them with Hex. Sludge bomb is used here over Sludge Wave for the slightly better chance to poison the opponent since Hex already hits Bulletproof Kommo-o. Substitute is used in the fourth slot to ease prediction and can threaten passive defensive switch-ins like Toxapex and Corviknight that usually don't carry more than one attack to hit Gengar with, and punishes Clefable very significantly. It also limits offensive counterplay a lot, as Pokemon like Zeraora and Choice Scarf Urshifu cannot reliably deal with Gengar behind a Substitute.

A Timid nature is used to ensure Gengar outspeeds Urshifu and Pokemon with base 100 Speed. The given EV spread ensures Gengar's Substitute is never broken by Toxapex's Scald.

To maximize its potential, this set should be used on teams that can help Gengar capitalize on status-inflected Pokemon. Pokemon like Clefable and Togekiss can spread paralysis and have good synergy with Gengar, providing Wish support to Gengar in Clefable's case. As Blissey walls this set, strong physical attackers that can take advantage of it, such as Rillaboom and Urshifu, make for great teammates. Defensive Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex help spread status and can spam Knock Off on opposing defensive Pokemon, allowing you to slowly chip at them. Spikes support from Ferrothorn and Skarmory is notably appreciated, as Substitute Gengar can force switches and chip away on the opponent, making it overwhelming to deal with in the long-term.


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[StellaAthena]

I feel like the first two sets are poorly distinguished from each other. Some Gengar exploit Nasty Plot and others exploit Hex + WoW. I don’t think there’s anyone running Sub/Shadow Ball/Sludge Wave/WoW or Sub / Hex / Sludge Wave / NP. Furthermore, the NP / Shadow Ball / Sludge Wave / Substitute sets play much more like NP / Shadow Ball / Sludge Wave / FB sets than Sub / Hex / Sludge Wave / WoW sets.

I would slash Substitute on the first set, and refocus the second on Hex + WoW.

 

[Malfunction]

Alright all written up, this should be ready for QC.

 

[Martin]

It's definitely worth mentioning Mandibuzz whenever you mention Thunderbolt, as realistically that's the attacks main target+the other targets you've mentioned don't particularly enjoy taking boosted/Specs Shadow Ball anyway. It's also worth mentioning that +2 TBolt doesn't actually KO Mandi from full health, so having something like Ferrothorn that can knock off its boots to put it in +2 TBolt range after SR is valuable. 2HKOing Mandi is also a pretty major boon for Specs>Scarf that is probably worth mentioning, as it means you can pressure it without having to use Trick (and thus sacrifice the nuke button that is Specs Shadow Ball).

 

[ImperialGamer517]

AM check. Implement what you agree with.

Hippowdown

Hippowdon, not Hippowdown.

A Timid nature is used to maximize Gengar's speed and ensure it outspeeds Hydreigon, Terrakion, and base 100 Pokemon like Jirachi. While Black Sludge is the preferred item of choice, as Gengar is prone to chip damage, Life Orb can also be used to ensure OHKOs against Hydreigon and Tyranitar with Focus Blast and Calm Mind Clefable and Togekiss with Sludge Wave before a Nasty Plot boost.

Merge this entire paragraph with the previous one. Also mention before Hydreigon Nasty Plot sets, since Choice Scarf variants are common as well.

Gengar should use its resistance to common Fairy-type attacks like Moonblast and Draining Kiss along with its immunity to Fighting- and Normal-type attacks to safely come in, force switches, and start setting up. As it's prone to being chipped down, it appreciates Wish support from Clefable and Sylveon. Teleport Clefable, in particular, can be used to bring in Gengar safely. U-turn and Volt Switch support from the likes of Corviknight, Rotom-h, and Hydreigon can also help get Gengar in safely. Nasty Plot Hydreigon or Rotom-h, in particular, can be used alongside Gengar to form a potent wall-breaking core.

Expand on the team options a little bit. I recommend you add checks to Sucker Punch users like Bisharp and Cinderace, and also add checks to Shadow Sneak users like Mimikyu and Aegislash. I recommend the following:

Keldeo - Bisharp and Cinderace
Bisharp - Mimikyu and Aegislash. Add that Bisharp appreciates Gengar blocking Close Combat from Aegislash, and in return, Bisharp can switch into STAB. Also H in Rotom-H is capitalized.

common switch-ins to Gengar like defensive Kommo-o and Ferrothorn

Try adding Bisharp

Pokemon like Clefable and Togekiss can spread paralysis

Try adding Hydreigon

Great job

 

[Jordy]

Most of these changes were minor and I don't necessarily oppose them, but there's a few things that really stick out like a sore thumb. Most notably, checks to Sucker Punch users and Shadow Sneak users are not super important with Gengar, unlike what you seem to suggest. You are naturally going to look to check these Pokemon and that really doesn't become significantly more important with Gengar. With that out of the way, you suggest adding Bisharp as a check to Mimikyu and Aegislash, but it is an awful check to either Pokemon. Beyond that, you suggest that Bisharp's a common switch-in to Gengar, which is absolutely not true, and then don't even pick up on the Ferrothorn mention. Ferrothorn's a mediocre Gengar check.

Some of these changes weren't even relevant to the QC stage, such as "Hippowdon, not Hippowdown.", and those that were, were rather misguided. Ofcourse it's fine to point out grammatical errors in the QC stage, but I'd much rather you focus on the quality of the actual content in your AM checks before doing that.

With that all out of the way, the QC team has been meaning to discuss some things regarding Gengar's sets soon. After we do that, I'll do my best to check this soon.

 

[ImperialGamer517]

Most of these changes were minor and I don't necessarily oppose them, but there's a few things that really stick out like a sore thumb. Most notably, checks to Sucker Punch users and Shadow Sneak users are not super important with Gengar, unlike what you seem to suggest. You are naturally going to look to check these Pokemon and that really doesn't become significantly more important with Gengar. With that out of the way, you suggest adding Bisharp as a check to Mimikyu and Aegislash, but it is an awful check to either Pokemon. Beyond that, you suggest that Bisharp's a common switch-in to Gengar, which is absolutely not true, and then don't even pick up on the Ferrothorn mention. Ferrothorn's a mediocre Gengar check.

Some of these changes weren't even relevant to the QC stage, such as "Hippowdon, not Hippowdown.", and those that were, were rather misguided. Ofcourse it's fine to point out grammatical errors in the QC stage, but I'd much rather you focus on the quality of the actual content in your AM checks before doing that.

With that all out of the way, the QC team has been meaning to discuss some things regarding Gengar's sets soon. After we do that, I'll do my best to check this soon.

Ok thanks!

 

[Jordy]

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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Sludge Wave
move 4: Focus Blast / Thunderbolt
item: Black Sludge
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

Thunderbolt's typically the best option as you really need it for Mandibuzz. I would also recommend slashing Life Orb as it gets a few notable KOes, most notably OHKOing Hippowdon and Mandibuzz at +2.

[SET COMMENTS]
Nasty Plot Gengar acts as a great wall breaker, capable of overwhelming taking advantage common Fairy-type Pokemon like Sylveon and Clefable and overwhelming defensive threats like Toxapex, Corviknight, and Hippowdown. Your aim with Gengar is never to directly overwhelm Fairy-types as you won't really get the chance to, it's to take advantage of them. After a boost, Gengar OHKOes the aforementioned fairy types with Sludge Wave and 2HKOes Toxapex and Hippowdown with Shadow Ball. 2HKOing Hippowdon with Shadow Ball is not notable; it still forces you out at +2. It's definitely worth pointing out why Sludge Wave is prefered to Sludge Bomb in this paragraph. Focus Blast is the recommended move for the fourth slot as it allows Gengar to OHKO Hydreigon and Tyranitar after Stealth Rock damage before boosting with Nasty Plot, although Thunderbolt can be used to make the matchup against Corviknight and Toxapex slightly easier. Mandibuzz absolutely needs to be mentioned here. Focus Blast can be kept as a mention, but make sure Thunderbolt is mentioned before it. Substitute can also be used in the fourth slot to ease decisions and help prevent Gengar from being revenge killed by Sucker Punch or Shadow Sneak. What Pokemon make use of those moves?

A Timid nature is used to maximize Gengar's speed and ensure it outspeeds Hydreigon, Terrakion, and base 100 Pokemon like Jirachi. While Black Sludge is the preferred item of choice, as Gengar is prone to chip damage, Life Orb can also be used to ensure OHKOs against Hydreigon and Tyranitar with Focus Blast and Calm Mind Clefable and Togekiss with Sludge Wave before a Nasty Plot boost. Life Orb most notably allows you to OHKO Hippowdon and Mandibuzz, the examples that you're giving aren't very relevant.

Gengar should use its resistance to common Fairy-type attacks like Moonblast and Draining Kiss along with its immunity to Fighting- and Normal-type attacks to safely come in, force switches, and start setting up. Just focus on how Gengar is a good option for bulky offensive and balance teams that can take advantage of Pokemon like Clefable. As it's prone to being chipped down, it appreciates Wish support from Clefable and Sylveon. Teleport Clefable, in particular, can be used to bring in Gengar safely. U-turn and Volt Switch support from the likes of Corviknight, Rotom-h, and Hydreigon can also help get Gengar in safely. Nasty Plot Hydreigon or Rotom-h, in particular, can be used alongside Gengar to form a potent wall-breaking core. Nasty Plot Hydreigon never runs U-turn, which it seems like you are suggesting here.


[SET]
name: Hex
move 1: Hex
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Substitute
item: Black Sludge
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

Use EVs: 96 HP / 72 SpA / 88 SpD / 252 Spe this EV spread, Gengar's Substitute can never be broken by Toxapex's Scald with it.

[SET COMMENTS]
Although you did this previously too, pointing out that Gengar takes advantage of Clefable is still important to point out. Gengar makes for a great user of Hex as it commonly forces switches thanks to its great offensive typing, which gives it ample opportunities to inflict status on the opponent's Pokemon. Will-O-Wisp is used to burn common switch-ins to Gengar like defensive Kommo-o and Ferrothorn, threatening them with Hex. Sludge bomb is used here for the slightly better chance to poison the opponent. It's also because you can afford to not hit Bulletproof Kommo-o; Hex does enough. Substitute is used in the fourth slot to ease prediction, and in tandem with Cursed Body can threaten passive defensive switch-ins like Toxapex and Corviknight that usually don't carry more than one attack to hit Gengar with. It also punishes Clefable very significantly. I also think it's worth pointing out that it limits offensive counterplay a lot; Pokemon like Zeraora and Choice Scarf Hydreigon cannot reliably deal with Gengar behind a Substitute. Make sure to mention the EV spread here.

To maximize its potential, this set should be used on teams that can capitalize on status-inflected Pokemon. I think this really focuses on the wrong thing, atleast with the way it's worded. You mean to say that Gengar capitalizes off teams that spread status, not that teams capitalize off status-inflicted Pokemon. Pokemon like Clefable and Togekiss can spread paralysis and have good synergy with Gengar, providing Wish support to Gengar in Clefable's case, and defensive Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex help spread status and slowly chip at the opponent's team with entry hazards. Hard-hitting Pokemon with a similar typing to Gengar, such as Dragapult and Chandelure, can also be used alongside Gengar to form a strong Hex-abusing core. The synergy between Gengar and Dragapult is fine, but Chandelure is never going to fit onto the same kind of teams as Gengar. I'd also like to see a mention of Spikes here, as Substitute Gengar with Spikes can be very overwhelming to deal with long-term.

This should be the main set, it's a lot more popular than Nasty Plot right now.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Shadow Ball
move 2: Sludge Wave
move 3: Focus Blast / Thunderbolt
move 4: Trick
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf allows Gengar to outspeed the entirety of the unboosted metagame and makes it a great revenge killer. Focus Blast hits Hydreigon and Tyranitar, while Thunderbolt hits Toxapex and Corviknight, which otherwise wall this set. Trick can be used as a last-measure against defensive switch-ins or as a way to hold set-up sweepers by locking them into one move. Alternatively, while usually outclassed by the Nasty Plot set, Choice Specs can be used for more firepower, although this severely hinders Gengar's ability to revenge kill, being outsped by common threats like Zeraora, Cinderace, Dragapult, and max speed Hawlucha.

Gengar should be saved for late-game to clean up, as it's usually prone to being chipped down due to its terrible defenses, and can be easily revenge killed itself after being locked into a move. Teammates that form wall-breaking cores, such as Hydreigon and Rotom-h or Conkeldurr and Aegislash, can be used to break the opponent's team and allow Gengar to easily clean up.

Choiced Gengar sets have really fallen off, because of how inconsistent it is at pressuring Clefable, since this analysis was first posted, we don't believe it's worth a set at this point in time.

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I'd like to take another look once this is implemented.

 

[Malfunction]

alright hopefully I didn't miss anything, thanks all. ccing Jordy for another look.

 

[Jordy]

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[SET]
name: Hex
move 1: Hex
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Substitute
item: Black Sludge
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 96 HP / 72 SpA / 88 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Gengar makes for a great user of Hex as it commonly forces switches thanks to its great offensive typing. Its ability to take advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable gives it ample opportunities to inflict status on the opponent's Pokemon. Does it just inflict status? Elaborate a little more on how well it can set itself up for mid- to late-game situations. Will-O-Wisp is used to burn common switch-ins to Gengar like defensive Kommo-o and Ferrothorn, threatening them with Hex. Sludge bomb is used here over Sludge Wave for the slightly better chance to poison the opponent since Hex already hits Bulletproof Kommo-o. Substitute is used in the fourth slot to ease prediction, and in tandem with Cursed Body can threaten passive defensive switch-ins like Toxapex and Corviknight that usually don't carry more than one attack to hit Gengar with, and punishes Clefable very significantly. It also limits offensive counterplay a lot, as Pokemon like Zeraora and Choice Scarf Hydreigon cannot reliably deal with Gengar behind a Substitute. The given EV spread is used to ensure Gengar's Substitute is never broken by Toxapex's Scald. You could mention why you should run a Timid nature too; outspeeding Terrakion is very important.

To maximize its potential, this set should be used on teams that can help Gengar capitalize on status-inflected Pokemon. Pokemon like Clefable and Togekiss can spread paralysis and have good synergy with Gengar, providing Wish support to Gengar in Clefable's case. Defensive Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex help spread status and slowly chip at the opponent's team with entry hazards. Spikes support from Ferrothorn is also notably appreciated, as Substitute Gengar can be very overwhelming to deal with in the long-term. Definitely make sure to explicitly mention just how many switches Gengar can force, and that that is why Spikes are really good alongside it.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Sludge Wave
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Black Sludge / Life Orb
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Nasty Plot Gengar acts as a great wall breaker, capable of taking advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable and overwhelming defensive threats like Toxapex, Corviknight, and Hippowdon. After a boost, Gengar OHKOes the aforementioned fairy types with Sludge Wave and 2HKOes Toxapex with Shadow Ball. Thunderbolt's the main move, so this isn't super important. Sludge Wave is used over Sludge Bomb for the slightly higher base power and to hit Bulletproof Kommo-o. It's just for Bulletproof Kommo-o, the base power honestly doesn't matter much. Thunderbolt is the recommended move for the fourth slot as it allows Gengar to hit Mandibuzz and makes the matchup against Corviknight and Toxapex slightly easier. Alternatively, Focus Blast allows Gengar to OHKO Hydreigon and Tyranitar after Stealth Rock damage. Substitute can also be used to ease decisions and help prevent Gengar from being revenge killed by Shadow Sneak from Aegislash and Mimikyu or Sucker Punch from Cinderace. Cinderace is faster than Gengar, it does not need to click Sucker Punch against Gengar, ever.

A Timid nature is used to maximize Gengar's speed and ensure it outspeeds Hydreigon, Terrakion, and base 100 Pokemon like Jirachi. While Black Sludge is the preferred item of choice, as Gengar is prone to chip damage, Life Orb is notable for allowing you to OHKO Hippowdon and Mandibuzz after a Nasty Plot boost.

Gengar fits best on bulky offensive and balance teams that can take advantage of Clefable and common defensive threats. As it's prone to being chipped down, it appreciates Wish support from Clefable and Sylveon. Teleport Clefable, in particular, can also be used to bring in Gengar safely. U-turn and Volt Switch support from the likes of Corviknight, Rotom-h, and Hydreigon can also help get Gengar in safely. Nasty Plot Rotom-h can be used alongside Gengar to form a potent wall-breaking core.

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Massive improvements, 1/2, good job!

 

[Malfunction]

done, ready for the second check!

 

[Malfunction]

I've made some updates to this post DLC, mostly:

• renamed the Nasty Plot set to Substitute and made it the primary set, as this seems like the most used one right now
• removed mentions of any outdated threats and replaced them with new ones

 

[curiosity]

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[SET]
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Nasty Plot
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Focus Blast / Dazzling Gleam
item: Black Sludge / Life Orb
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

QC might change their minds later, but personally I think there's no reason to be running a LO atm given that its intended targets have either fallen off or have adapted otherwise; Mandi's shit again and Hippo has started running spdef, and even with a LO it's eating comfortably. That and being placed on an arbitrary timer sucks so i think you should to remove this for now.

[SET COMMENTS]
Gengar acts as a great wall breaker, capable of taking advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable I don't really like how you're limiting yourself just to fairy types because that leaves you solely with clef; replace these mentions with passive mons to include stuff like corviknight and amoonguss and overwhelming defensive threats like Toxapex, Corviknight, and Hippowdon. not a fan of the hippo example since spdef variants can both take on gengar (the former PP stalling and the latter being able to retaliate w/ eq); replace this mention with something like skarm (which you can also list as something that you abuse). Substitute is used to ease decisions ok major nitpick here but I'd rather you phrase this as "eases prediction" just because it fits with general analysis lingo and avoid getting paralyzed by Blissey and Amoonguss and help prevent Gengar from being revenge killed by common priority users such as Urshifu and Rillaboom. Focus Blast is the recommended move for the fourth slot as it allows Gengar to 2HKO Blissey and Mandibuzz after a Nasty Plot boost. Alternatively, Dazzling Gleam can be used for a more accurate attack against Mandibuzz and Urshifu. shifu's not eating a blast so this mention is unnecessary.

A Timid nature is used to maximize Gengar's speed and ensure it outspeeds Urshifu, Volcarona, and Hydreigon, and base 100 Pokemon like Jirachi
this just feels drawn out; mention that it enables you outspeed everything up to terrakion and leave it at that While Black Sludge is the preferred item of choice, as Gengar is prone to chip damage, Life Orb is notable for allowing Gengar to OHKO Hippowdon and Mandibuzz after a Nasty Plot boost.

Gengar fits best on bulky offensive and balance teams that can take advantage of Clefable and common defensive threats. As it's prone to being chipped down, it appreciates Wish support from Clefable and Blissey. Blissey is never running wish, remove this mention Teleport Clefable, in particular, can also be used to bring in Gengar safely. If you really want to mention Blissey, mention it here. U-turn and Volt Switch support from the likes of Corviknight, Rotom-h, and Hydreigon can also help get Gengar in safely. Nasty Plot Rotom-h can be used alongside Gengar to form a potent wall-breaking core.

I'd like to see an emphasis some on the offensive synergy; if you were to describe what these mons did for each other beyond a basic "they gain momentum"; I'd like to see mentions of being able to wear down other's checks or being able to force in abc so that something can take advantage of it.

[SET]
name: Hex
move 1: Hex
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Sludge Bomb
move 4: Substitute
item: Black Sludge
ability: Cursed Body
nature: Timid
evs: 96 HP / 72 SpA / 88 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Gengar makes for a great user of Hex as it commonly forces switches thanks to its great offensive typing. I really don't think that an introduction like this is necessary Its ability to take advantage of common Fairy-type Pokemon like Clefable gives it ample opportunities to inflict status on the opponent's Pokemon. Hex can then be used to inflict massive amounts of damage, transforming Gengar into a potent wall breaker or a late-game cleaner. Will-O-Wisp is used to burn common switch-ins to Gengar like Toxapex and Ferrothorn, I don't really like these examples given that none of them are really ever switching into Gengar threatening them with Hex. Sludge bomb is used here over Sludge Wave for the slightly better chance to poison the opponent since Hex already hits Bulletproof Kommo-o. Substitute is used in the fourth slot to ease prediction and can threaten passive defensive switch-ins like Toxapex and Corviknight that usually don't carry more than one attack to hit Gengar with, and punishes Clefable very significantly. It also limits offensive counterplay a lot, as Pokemon like Zeraora and Choice Scarf Urshifu scarf shifu doesn't exist; replace this with Alakazam or mention sucker shifu cannot reliably deal with Gengar behind a Substitute. Again, I just don't really like the phrasing of these last two points; same point applies from earlier in the sense that it doesn't really fit into general analysis lingo so if you could phrase it like "passive pokemon such as corviknight and toxapex, which cannot break its sub" or something along those lines then it would be cool.

A Timid nature is used to ensure Gengar outspeeds Urshifu and Pokemon with base 100 Speed. the thing about terrak and below applies here too The given EV spread ensures Gengar's Substitute is never broken by Toxapex's Scald.

To maximize its potential, this set should be used on teams that can help Gengar capitalize on status-inflected Pokemon. Pokemon like Clefable and Togekiss can spread paralysis and have good synergy with Gengar, providing Wish support to Gengar in Clefable's case. I feel like you're kinda restricting yourself to just mentioning paralysis since there's only a small handful of mons that actually spreads para, so just generally mentioning status works better here. As Blissey walls this set, strong physical attackers that can take advantage of it, such as Rillaboom and Urshifu, make for great teammates. Defensive Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Toxapex help spread status ferro's rarely spreading status nowadays so its not a particularly great example + doubling up on the examples can be kinda clutter-y too and can spam Knock Off on opposing defensive Pokemon, allowing you to slowly chip at them. Spikes support from Ferrothorn and Skarmory is notably appreciated, as Substitute Gengar can force switches and chip away on the opponent, making it overwhelming to deal with in the long-term.


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I just want to finalise a few things here, so please tag me once you've implemented everything.