Giratina-O (Sexier than Oglemi in the Shower AKA Offensive Calm Mind) GP 2/2

[Brambane]

Yes Oglemi is really sexy and busting out the shampoo at night is cool. <3 Hey sexy LAdy! Gangtina Style!

[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Dragon Pulse
move 3: Aura Sphere / Earth Power
move 4: Thunder / Shadow Ball / Thunder Wave
item: Griseous Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the standard SubCM set, this set focuses more on Speed and catching your opponent off-guard. While initially this set seems outclassed by Arceus-Ghost, using it allows you to use another Arceus forme and it flies over both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, allowing it to switch in more freely due to the popularity of Spikes in Ubers.</p>

<p>Dragon Pulse is a powerful STAB move further boosted by Griseous Orb and has good neutral coverage in Ubers. Thanks to Giratina-O's Dragon typing, Dragon Pulse allows it to OHKO most of the Dragon-types in the tier after just Stealth Rock damage, including Palkia, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza, and Zekrom, something standard Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost can not accomplish. Aura Sphere is generally an awesome coverage move, smashing Ferrothorn, Darkrai, Tyranitar, Heatran, Arceus, and Dialga to pieces. Keep in mind that all of them are 2HKOed at best if you are unboosted. If you are worried about more obscure threats such as Jirachi and Heatran blocking your sweep, Earth Power can be used. It also hits Blaziken and Arceus-Electric for super effective damage but Blaziken normally crumbles to Dragon Pulse anyway.</p>

<p>Thunder hits Ho-Oh, Skarmory, and Kyogre, all of which would wall Giratina-O otherwise. If you decide to go with Thunder, Kyogre's rain support is very useful for maximum accuracy. Shadow Ball decimates Mewtwo and Arceus-Ghost while dealing more damage than Thunder to Lugia, but is generally inferior to Dragon Pulse as the main STAB. The main use of Shadow Ball is to destroy otherwise solid checks such as Arceus-Ghost, Lugia, Jirachi, and Bronzong. Thunder Wave can catch something like Darkrai switching in and cripples many checks such as Arceus. Will-O-Wisp is better on other sets; Substitute could be used to block status, but this set relies on sheer power and surprise value, which Substitute does not provide. Due to the lack of Substitute, Blissey and Chansey will easily wall this set, so powerful physical attackers, such as Terrakion are great partners. This Giratina-O is somewhat fragile, so use it with hazards to ensure it KOs the things it needs to before they can take it out; Ferrothorn is a good partner, having perfect synergy with Giratina-O and setting up hazards.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set is best used early- or mid-game for a "mini-sweep" to allow something like Arceus or Mewtwo to clean up the rest later. Thanks to its three attacking moves, Giratina-O can surprise quite a lot of normal checks such as Arceus-Ghost coming in on Calm Mind and trying to set up alongside it, only to be 2HKOed by Shadow Ball. Modest is an option, but the main reason to use this set is for the higher Speed and coverage moves. Thanks to running a Timid nature, Giratina-O can now outrun slow Arceus, neutral nature Rayquaza, and Kyurem-W so it can KO them first. Tailwind, Hidden Power Fire, and Draco Meteor are also options but they are generally inferior to the moves listed. Tailwind gives you two turns to attempt a sweep but that is usually not possible because Giratina-O is not the most powerful sweeper around, although you can surprise would-be checks such as Palkia. Hidden Power Fire is sometimes useful for killing Forretress and Ferrothorn outside of rain, but Aura Sphere is usually the better option. Draco Meteor is Giratina-O's most powerful move available but it reduces Special Attack with every use, making a sweep even more unlikely. Using this set alongside Kyurem-W, Kyogre, Rayquaza, or other Pokemon that are good at breaking stall is advisable to use this set for maximum effect. Wish support is always nice but not really needed, and it can be hard to fit a user of the move onto Giratina-O's team anyway because only defensive Pokemon can viably use it and this set is better off on offensive teams.</p>

 

[Organization Member XIV]

Do NOT give Dark Pulse a slash. Base 90 Speed is not getting you any important flinches-even with max investment and a +Spe nature-and Shadow Ball has the exact same SE coverage, but STAB as well. Other than that nothing I can see wrong.

 

[shrang]

Hm, is Shadow Ball really necessary? Mewtwo is like the only thing it hits for harder than the other moves. Thunder hits Lugia for the same power, while Lati@s and Giratina are hit by Dragon Pulse harder (although I doubt you'd want to take on Lati@s). Calm Mind / Dragon Pulse / Aura Sphere / Thunder looks better IMO.

EDIT: My bad, forgot Griseous Orb

 

[trickroom]

Thunder vs 252 HP Lugia 40.9% - 48.6%
Shadow Ball vs 252 HP Lugia 49% - 58.2%

Thanks to Griseous Orb, you can outdamage Roost some of the time. Thunder never 2HKOes. I agree about Dragon Pulse being main move though.

Rayquaza surviving +1 Shadow Ball (66.9% - 78.8%) and destroying you next turn is horrible. You need Dragon Pulse for Palkia, Zekrom, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza and even things like Garchomp and Salamence. Hitting Latias harder too. Dragon Pulse lets you revenge kill Adamant SD Rayquaza.

Earth Power rips Heatran and 2HKOes Jirachi at +1, you outrun it unless it is also Jolly.

 

[Brambane]

revised with Dragon Pulse as the main option, EP as a slash next to Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball as a slash in the fourth slot.

What do you guys think of Tailwind as a slash in the fourth slot as well?

 

[Oglemi]

I approve of the thread title, this is one sexy set

 

[SuperHydreigon1996]

Tailwind would give it another niche/advantage over Arceus-Ghost as an Offensive Calm Minder, so I would say yes. But that's up to QC to decide.
Would an EV Spread of 252 HP/4 SpA/252 Spe deserve an AC mention? I mean, Giratina-O is actually has great bulk...

 

[trickroom]

This set checks Adamant Swords Dance Rayquaza, slow bulky Swords Dance Normal Arceus ( You can Aura Sphere it twice since +2 Shadow Claw does not OHKO) and Modest Kyurem-W.

QC APPROVED 1/3

 

[Arcticblast]

evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

Might want to get that checked out.

 

[His Eminence Lord Poppington II]

uhhh... i guess the advantages trickroom described warrant more than an ac mention on subcm

[qc]2/3[/qc]

 

[shrang]

[qc]3/3[/qc]

 

[trickroom]

This set plays differently than the SubCM set though so it deserves a separate set. SubCM sets up on Chansey, Blissey, some Ferrothorn and other less powerful pokemon but Oglemi Giratina-O can surprise people with 2 coverage moves and fast Speed.

Immunity to Spikes and Toxic Spikes is a big advantage over Ghost Arceus. Mention this Giratina-O outspeeds slow Lugia and 2HKO it with Shadow Ball, most Giratina-O can't threaten Lugia. The slow subCM will get Toxiced and Lugia can Roost on it.

I think Tailwind is the better option for a sweep than Thunder Wave. Since you are aiming to sweep or break walls, Tailwind is great for surprising Scarf Palkia, Latias, Darkrai, Mewtwo and other Scarf Dragons. Thunder Wave only cripples one, Tailwind lets you continue the sweep for 2 turns, saves you from being revenge killed.

Arceus can use Tailwind too, but most things that switch in on Ghost Arceus are slower, Ho-Oh, Jirachi, Blissey, Chansey and some Kyogre. Things that come in to revenge Giratina-O are usually faster, Palkia, Scarf Reshiram/Zekrom, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza, Ghost Arceus, Latias and Lugia. Tailwind can allow Giratina-O to turn the tables and beat them all.

 

[Nexus]

ok, so this got 3 QC checks and Oglemi would cry if I left this get shoved into L&O so if anyone wants to write this up just post here.

 

[trickroom]

Written and waiting for GP. Anyone can comment on the contents if there is anything wrong and I will change it.

 

[trickroom]

trolled by furai, changes made

 

[GatoDelFuego]

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[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Dragon Pulse
move 3: Aura Sphere / Earth Power
move 4: Thunder / Shadow Ball / Thunder Wave
item: Griseous Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the standard SubCM Calm Mind set, this set focuses more on speed and catching your opponent off-guard. While initially this set seems outclassed by Arceus-Ghost, you can use other Arceus formes together with this Giratina-O to form an offensive combination. However, Giratina-O still has its own share of advantages over Arceus-Ghost. For one, it flies over both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, allowing it to switch in more freely due to the popularity of Spikes in Ubers.</p>

<p>Dragon Pulse is a powerful STAB move, further boosted by Griseous Orb and has good neutral coverage in ubers, nothing is immune to it bar Shedinja who is useless in Ubers. Thanks to Giratina-O's unique typing, Dragon Pulse allows it to OHKO most of the Dragon-types in the tier after just Stealth Rock damage, such as Palkia, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza, (AC) and Zekrom, something the standard Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost can not accomplish. Aura Sphere is generally an awesome coverage move for smashing Ferrothorn, Darkrai, Tyranitar, Heatran, Arceus, (AC) and Dialga to pieces. Keep in mind, all of them can never be OHKOed if you are unboosted, and is a 2HKO at best. If you are worried about the more obscure threats such as Jirachi and Heatran blocking your sweep, Earth Power can be used. It also hits Blaziken and Arceus-Electric for super effective damage but Blaziken normally crumbles to Dragon Pulse anyway.</p>

<p>Thunder hits Ho-Oh, Skarmory, (AC) and Kyogre for more damage than any of Giratina-O's other options, all who which would wall Giratina-O otherwise. Kyogre's rain support is preferred if you decide to go with Thunder for maximum accuracy. Shadow Ball decimates Mewtwo, Arceus-Ghost, (AC) and deals more damage than Thunder to Lugia, but is generally inferior to Dragon Pulse as the main STAB. The main use of Shadow Ball is to destroy otherwise solid checks such as Arceus-Ghost, Lugia, Jirachi, (AC) and Bronzong. Thunder Wave can catch something like Darkrai switching in off guard, and cripples most checks such as Arceus. Will-O-Wisp is not a good move for this set, as that is better on the other sets; Substitute could be used to block status but this set relies on sheer power and surprise value. Due to the lack of Substitute, the pink blobs will easily wall this set, so powerful physical attackers are great partners for this set, (AC) such as Terrakion. This Giratina-O is somewhat fragile, so use with hazards to nab more KOs; Ferrothorn is a good partner for sharing perfect synergy with Giratina-O and setting up hazards.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set is best used early- or mid-game for a "mini-sweep" to allow something like Arceus or Mewtwo to clean up the rest later. Thanks to all three moves, Giratina-O can surprise quite a lot of normal checks such as Arceus-Ghost coming in on Calm Mind and tries to set up alongside, only to be 2HKOed by Shadow Ball. Modest is an option, but the main reason to use this set is for the higher Speed and coverage moves. Thanks to a Timd nature, you can now outrun slow Arceus, neutral nature Rayquaza, (AC) and Kyurem-W so you can KO them first before they can do the same. Tailwind, Hidden Power Fire, (AC) and Draco Meteor are also options but they are generally inferior to the moves listed. Tailwind gives you 2 turns to attempt a sweep but that is usually not possible because Giratina-O is not the most powerful sweeper around, (AC) but you can surprise would-be checks such as Palkia. Hidden Power Fire is soley used for killing Forretress and Ferrothorn outside of rain, (AC) but Aura Sphere is usually the better option. Draco Meteor is the most powerful move availabe but it reduces Special Attack in every use, making a sweep even more unlikely. Using this set alongside Kyurem-W, Kyogre, Rayquaza, (AC) or other Pokemon who that are good at breaking stall is advisable to use this set for maximum effect. Wish support is always nice but not really needed because only defensive pokemon have access to it and this set is better off in offensive teams.</p>

the serial commas q_q

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[trickroom]

Fixed thanks. Ready for GP check 2

 

[tehy]

Always nice to have a quick, easy check.

add blue cut red comments below

Edit: Melvni, on Shadow Ball V Thunder; you forgot about the Griseous Orb boost, which is of course mandatory on Gira-O. So it's 30% stronger, which is p.nice.

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[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Dragon Pulse
move 3: Aura Sphere / Earth Power
move 4: Thunder / Shadow Ball / Thunder Wave
item: Griseous Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the standard SubCM set, this set focuses more on speed and catching your opponent off-guard. While initially this set seems outclassed by Arceus-Ghost, you can use other Arceus formes together with this Giratina-O to form an offensive combination. However, Giratina-O still has its own share of advantages over Arceus-Ghost. For one, it flies over both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, allowing it to switch in more freely due to the popularity of Spikes in Ubers.</p>

<p>Dragon Pulse is a powerful STAB move, further boosted by Griseous Orb and has good neutral coverage in uUbers. Thanks to Giratina-O's unique typing, Dragon Pulse allows it to OHKO most of the Dragon-types in the tier after just Stealth Rock damage, such as Palkia, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza, and Zekrom, something the standard Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost can not accomplish. Aura Sphere is generally an awesome coverage move for smashing Ferrothorn, Darkrai, Tyranitar, Heatran, Arceus, and Dialga to pieces. Keep in mind, that all of them can never be Oare 2HKOe'd at best if you are unboosted, and is a 2HKO at best. If you are worried about the more obscure threats such as Jirachi and Heatran blocking your sweep, Earth Power can be used. It also hits Blaziken and Arceus-Electric for super effective damage, but Blaziken normally crumbles to Dragon Pulse anyway.</p>

<p>Thunder hits Ho-Oh, Skarmory, and Kyogre for more damage than any of, all of which would wall Giratina-O's other options, all which would wallwise, for more damage than any of Giratina-O's otherwise options. Kyogre's rain support is preferred if you decide to go with Thunder for maximum accuracy. Shadow Ball decimates Mewtwo, and Arceus-Ghost, and while dealsing more damage than Thunder to Lugia, but is generally inferior to Dragon Pulse as the main STAB. The main use of Shadow Ball is to destroy otherwise solid checks such as Arceus-Ghost, Lugia, Jirachi, and Bronzong. Thunder Wave can catch something like Darkrai switching in, and cripples most checks such as Arceus. Will-O-Wisp is not a good move for this set, as that is better on the other sets; Substitute could be used to block status, but this set relies on sheer power and surprise value. Due to the lack of Substitute, the pink blobs will easily wall this set, so powerful physical attackers, such as Terrakion, are great partners for this set such as Terrakion. This Giratina-O is somewhat fragile, so use with hazards to nab more KOs; Ferrothorn is a good partner for, sharing perfect synergy with Giratina-O and setting up hazards.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set is best used early- or mid-game for a "mini-sweep" to allow Arceus or Mewtwo to clean up the rest later. Thanks to all three moves, Giratina-O can surprise quite a lot of normal checks such as Arceus-Ghost coming in on Calm Mind and triesying to set up alongside it, only to be 2HKOed by Shadow Ball. Modest is an option, but the main reason to use this set is for the higher Speed and coverage moves. Thanks to a Timid nature, you can now outrun slow Arceus, neutral nature Rayquaza, and Kyurem-W so you can KO them first. Tailwind, Hidden Power Fire, and Draco Meteor are also options, but they are generally inferior to the moves listed. Tailwind gives you 2 turns to attempt a sweep but that is usually not possible because Giratina-O is not the most powerful sweeper around, butalthough you can surprise would-be checks such as Palkia. Hidden Power Fire is solely used for killing Forretress and Ferrothorn outside of rain but Aura Sphere is usually the better option. Draco Meteor is the most powerful move available but it reduces Special Attack in every use, making a sweep even more unlikely. Using this set alongside Kyurem-W, Kyogre, Rayquaza, or other Pokemon that are good at breaking stall is advisable to use this set for maximum effect. Wish support is always nice but not really needed, because only defensive pokemon have access to it and this set is better off in offensive teams.</p>

Comments:
Right at the beginning:Technically you can do anything with that different arceus, and also, you mention an advantage and then say HOWEVER. Maybe just fuse those two sentences like Gira-O has the advantage of Levitate+other arc form.
Thanks to its unique typing Gira-O can OHKO most ubers with Dpulse? I mean yeah the Dragon typing helps but that's...eh.

 

[trickroom]

Fixed and I fused the sentences. Is this GP2/2 or I need another one?

 

[Swamp-Rocket]

Fixed and I fused the sentences. Is this GP2/2 or I need another one?

Since tehy isn't an official GPer you're going to need another stamp before this goes on-site unless stated otherwise by another GP member

 

[trickroom]

Then, waiting for GP 2/2 thanks

 

[melvni]

GP check. Good job on writing this.
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[SET]
name: Offensive Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Dragon Pulse
move 3: Aura Sphere / Earth Power
move 4: Thunder / Shadow Ball / Thunder Wave
item: Griseous Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the standard SubCM set, this set focuses more on speed Speed and catching your opponent off-guard. While initially this set seems outclassed by Arceus-Ghost, you can using it allows you to use other another Arceus formes together with this Giratina-O to form an offensive combination forme and it flies over is immune to both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, allowing it to switch in more freely due to the popularity of Spikes in Ubers.</p>

<p>Dragon Pulse is a powerful STAB move, (remove comma) further boosted by Griseous Orb and has good neutral coverage in Ubers. Thanks to Giratina-O's unique Dragon typing, Dragon Pulse allows it to OHKO most of the Dragon-types in the tier after just Stealth Rock damage, such as including Palkia, Kyurem-W, Rayquaza, and Zekrom, something standard Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost can not accomplish. Aura Sphere is generally an awesome coverage move (add comma) for smashing Ferrothorn, Darkrai, Tyranitar, Heatran, Arceus, and Dialga to pieces. Keep in mind that all of them are 2HKO'd 2HKOed at best if you are unboosted however. If you are worried about the more obscure threats such as Jirachi and Heatran blocking your sweep, Earth Power can be used. It also hits Blaziken and Arceus-Electric for super effective damage but Blaziken normally crumbles to Dragon Pulse anyway.</p>

<p>Thunder hits Ho-Oh, Skarmory, and Kyogre, all of which would wall Giratina-O otherwise, for more damage than any of Giratina-O's other options (this seems redundant with saying that they would all wall Giratina-O if it didn't have Thunder). If you decide to go with Thunder, Kyogre's rain support is preferred if you decide to go with Thunder very useful for maximum accuracy. Shadow Ball decimates Mewtwo and Arceus-Ghost while dealing more damage than Thunder to Lugia (I'm pretty sure this isn't true; Lugia is 2x weak to both, Thunder has 120 power, and Shadow Ball has 80*1.5 = 120 power as well), but is generally inferior to Dragon Pulse as the main STAB. The main use of Shadow Ball is to destroy otherwise solid checks such as Arceus-Ghost, Lugia, Jirachi, and Bronzong. Thunder Wave can catch something like Darkrai switching in, (remove comma) and cripples most many checks such as Arceus. Will-O-Wisp is better on other sets; Substitute could be used to block status (add comma) but this set relies on sheer power and surprise value, which Substitute does not provide. Due to the lack of Substitute, the pink blobs Blissey and Chansey will easily wall this set, so powerful physical attackers, such as Terrakion are great partners for this set. This Giratina-O is somewhat fragile, so use it with hazards to nab more ensure it KOs the things it needs to before they can take it out; Ferrothorn is a good partner, sharing having perfect synergy with Giratina-O and setting up hazards.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set is best used early- or mid-game for a "mini-sweep" to allow something like Arceus or Mewtwo to clean up the rest later. Thanks to all its three attacking moves, Giratina-O can surprise quite a lot of normal checks such as Arceus-Ghost coming in on Calm Mind and trying to set up alongside it, only to be 2HKOed by Shadow Ball. Modest is an option, but the main reason to use this set is for the higher Speed and coverage moves. Thanks to running a Timid nature, you Giratina-O can now outrun slow Arceus, neutral nature Rayquaza, and Kyurem-W so you it can KO them first. Tailwind, Hidden Power Fire, and Draco Meteor are also options (add comma) but they are generally inferior to the moves listed. Tailwind gives you 2 two turns to attempt a sweep but that is usually not possible because Giratina-O is not the most powerful sweeper around, although you can surprise would-be checks such as Palkia. Hidden Power Fire is soley used sometimes useful for killing Forretress and Ferrothorn outside of rain (add comma) but Aura Sphere is usually the better option. Draco Meteor is the Giratina-O's most powerful move availabe available, but it reduces Special Attack in with every use, making a sweep even more unlikely. Using this set alongside Kyurem-W, Kyogre, Rayquaza, or other Pokemon that are good at breaking stall is advisable to use this set for maximum effect. Wish support is always nice but not really needed and it can be hard to fit a user of the move onto Giratina-O's team anyway because only defensive pokemon have access to Pokemon can viably use it and this set is better off in on offensive teams.</p>

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Edit: Oh right. My bad about the Shadow Ball v. Thunder bit.

 

[trickroom]

Fixed and this is now done. Also Shadow Ball is stronger than Thunder due to Griseous Orb boost.