GG Godly Gift

[dhelmise]

Approved by drampa's grandpa & The Immortal / Original idea by Hot dog pizza / Banner credits to gymjack​

Premise:
The gods have found favor with your Pokemon! Pick your god of choice and have its incredible powers bestowed upon your team.

Rules:
Clauses: Species Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Endless Battle Clause, Dynamax Clause
Restrictions: You may have one AG/Uber Pokemon as your 'god'.
Pokemon:

• 
  Blissey
• 
  Calyrex-Shadow
• 
  Chansey
• 
  Crawdaunt
• 
  Dragapult
• 
  Eternatus
• 
  Hawlucha
• 
  Kyogre
• 
  Marowak-Alola
• 
  Melmetal
• 
  Nidoking
• 
  Nidoqueen
• 
  Pikachu
• 
  Toxapex
• 
  Xerneas
• 
  Zacian
• 
  Zacian-Crowned

Abilities: Arena Trap, Huge Power, Moody, Pure Power, Shadow Tag, Swift Swim
Items: Bright Powder, Focus Band, King's Rock, Lax Incense, Quick Claw
Moves: Baton Pass

Current Watchlist

None

Explanation:
Here's how the Uber's stats are distributed to each team mate.

You will be able to recognize from team preview how your opponent is gifting their stats, based upon the position of their Uber.

Here's an example:

In this case, Kyogre is my Uber Pokemon and is occupying slot 2. So, because Ferrothorn is in slot 1, it will have its HP stat replaced with Kyogre's base HP of 100. Kyogre is in slot 2, so nothing receives its Atk stat. Since Clefable is in slot 3, it gets Kyogre's Def of 90. Tapu Koko in slot 4 gets Kyogre's SpA of 150. Landorus-T in slot 5 gets Kyogre's 140 SpD, and lastly, Urshifu-R in slot 6 gets Kyogres's 90 Spe. Where you place your 'God' Pokemon is extremely important in developing strong teams, so do not take this important aspect lightly.

Frequently Asked Questions
What happens when the God has a forme change?
The stats of the god prior to form change are what are used to gift to the other teammates. For example, Galarian Darmanitan-Z's teammates will receive the regular forme's stats and Aegislash's teammates will receive the Shield forme's stats. In addition, the Crowned formes of Zacian and Zamazenta will donate the Hero formes' stats.

What about the Gods themselves? Do they gain any stats?
No, they don't. Since they're "gifting" to themselves, their stats remain unchanged.

Won't Shedinja be broken?
Nope. Shedinja's HP is hardcoded to 1. Hazards are your friends.

What if a teammate has a forme change?
The stats will remain constant through out. For example, if Aegislash receives 100 Def then it will have 100 Def in both Shield and Blade forme.

When will X get banned?
There are certainly broken threats that may appear beyond our initial banlist thanks to the coming of a new generation, however, we don't want to ban anything outright before this has been played more. Topics on the banlist may be re-suspected but only if relevant arguments are brought up throughout discussion calling for such an action to occur. Things will be both VERY bulky and VERY strong in this meta, so you must prepare accordingly. When the time comes we can look at God bans and teammate bans, but again, please defer discussion about what needs to go until we can test it.

What if I don't have an Uber on my team?
The Pokemon in the first slot (HP slot) acts as the God Pokemon. Although this strategy isn't necessarily the most effective option, it can most certainly work to some extent thanks to Pokemon with incredibly high stats.

Is this playable anywhere?
Yes! This is playable on the main Pokemon Showdown server.

How do Zacian-C and Zamazenta-C work as Gods?
Zacian-C and Zamazenta-C are battle-only formes, similar to Zygarde-C, so they distribute the stats of their out-of-battle formes.

If you have other questions, PM Kris and I can update the FAQ.

If anyone has a suggestion on how to improve these or new ideas for other standards, please share.

Resources:
Sample Teams
Viability Rankings

Council:

beauts (Co-Leader)

Kris (Co-Leader)

Lily

longhiep341

TPP

UT


Change Log:
June 26, 2020: Arena Trap, Blissey, Chansey quickbanned.
August 6, 2020: Toxapex quickbanned.
April 1, 2021: Melmetal and Calyrex-S quickbanned.
April 8, 2021: Zacian-C quickbanned.
April 27, 2021: Zacian banned via suspect.
September 20, 2021: Alolan Marowak banned via suspect.
October 12, 2021: Hawlucha and Pikachu quickbanned.
December 1, 2021: Dragapult and Xerneas quickbanned.
January 29, 2022: Mantine and luck items quickbanned.
February 6, 2022: Swift Swim quick banned, Mantine unbanned.
March 7, 2022: Eternatus banned via suspect test.
April 30, 2022: Crawdaunt quickbanned.
July 28, 2022: Nidoking and Nidoqueen banned via suspect
September 10, 2022: Kyogre quickbanned.

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[dhelmise]

Sample Teams
Up to date as of November 4th, 2022


Rayquaza Offense by astralydia


NP Slowking-G by glimmerrdust and UT


SD Cobalion RegenSpam by Lily


Power Herb Spam HO by beauts and UT


NDM VoltTurn by Pigeons


Yveltal Balance by Lily


Pheromosa Screens by beauts


Choice Scarf Urshifu + CM Koko by glimmerrdust


Giratina Stall by beauts


Shuckle God Balance by in the hills


Giratina-O Status Spam by Jrdn


Torkoal Trick Room by beauts


Diancie God by Greybaum
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[hayedenn]

Godly Gift Viability Rankings
Viability Ranking Just for Gods​

Remember that this is the Viability Ranking for Gods, NOT Followers.

The ranking is based on:

1. How good the stats are that the God Pokemon gives. This affects your team synergy and capabilities.
2. How well the God Pokemon performs by itself in general.

Point #1 is more valuable than #2, though #2 is still a pretty big factor when deciding upon a God Pokemon's ranking.

Also since the number of potential gods is not high, there will be no subranks like A+ or A-. There will be only S, A, B, C, D, and Ubers that you shouldn't use as ranks. Each rank is listed alphabetically.

*Note: Stats to not donate are ordered in decreasing viability.

S Rank:

Nothing rn!

A Rank:

Ho-Oh (Def, Spe, SpA)
Mewtwo (Def, SpD, Atk)
Necrozma-DM (Spe)
Pheromosa (Def, SpD)
Rayquaza (Def, SpD, Spe)
Yveltal (Def, SpD, Spe)
Zamazenta-C (SpA, HP)

B Rank:

Calyrex-I (SpA, Spe)
Giratina (Atk, Spe)
Groudon (Spe, SpD)
Kyurem-B (SpD, Spe, Def)
Kyurem-W (Def, Spe, SpD)
Lunala (Def, Spe, Atk)
Shuckle (HP Only)

C Rank:

Dialga (Spe, SpD)
Giratina-O (Spe, SpD)
Necrozma-DW (Def, Atk, Spe)
Reshiram (Spe, Def)
Zamazenta (SpA)
Zekrom (Spe, SpD)

D Rank:

Diancie (HP Only)
Kyurem (Def, SpD, Spe)
Lugia (Atk, SpA)
Magearna (Spe)
Marshadow (Def, SpA, SpD)
Palkia (HP, Def, Spe)
Solgaleo (SpD, Spe)
Spectrier (Atk, Def)
Stakataka (HP Only)
Zygarde (SpA)

Ubers you should NOT run:

Cinderace
Darmanitan-G
Dracovish
Genesect
Landorus
Naganadel
Urshifu-S

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Godly Gift Viability Rankings
Viability Rankings Just for Receivers​

The ranking is based on how good the Pokemon performs given the stats from the respective God.

The rankings are divided into S, A, B, C, and are organized in sub-divisions. Each rank is in Alphabetical order.

*Note: Stats to donate are ordered in decreasing viability.

S Rank:

Landorus-T (SpD, Def, Any)
Clefable (Def, SpD)

A Rank:

A+

Ferrothorn (HP)
Heatran (Spe, HP)
Moltres-G (SpA)
Rotom-W (HP)
Tangrowth (SpD)
Tapu Koko (SpA, HP)

A

Corviknight (SpD, Any)
Kartana (SpD)
Pangoro (Spe)
Rillaboom (Atk, Any)
Skarmory (HP)
Slowking-G (Spe, Def, SpD)
Tornadus-T (HP, Any)
Urshifu-R (SpD, Spe, Any)
Weavile (Atk, Any)
Victini (Atk, Spe)
Zygarde-10% (Atk)

A-

Blacephalon (Def, Spe)
Buzzwole (SpD, Spe)
Dhelmise (Spe)
Gastrodon (SpD, Def)
Persian-A (Def, Atk)
Slowbro (SpD)
Slowking (Def)
Volcanion (Spe)
Zeraora (Atk, SpA)

B Rank:

B+

Excadrill (SpD, Def)
Magnezone (Any)
Tapu Fini (HP, SpA)
Tapu Lele (Spe)
Tyranitar (Spe)
Volcarona (Def)

B

Araquanid (SpA, Spe)
Espeon (Def)
Garchomp (Atk, SpD, Spe)
Glastrier (Spe)
Mimikyu (Atk)
Nihilego (Def)
Quagsire (Def, SpD)
Raichu-Alola (SpA)
Reuniclus (SpD, Spe, Def)
Rotom-H (HP)
Vaporeon (Def)
Zapdos (HP, Def, Atk, Spe)

B-

Bisharp (Spe, Atk)
Cloyster (SpD, Atk, SpA)
Ditto (HP, Any)
Dracozolt (Spe, Atk)
Hatterene (Spe, HP)
Mandibuzz (SpD, SpA, Any)
Regieleki (SpA, Atk)
Scolipede (Atk)
Seismitoad (SpD, Def)
Slowbro-G (SpD)
Shuckle (HP, Any)
Suicune (SpA, Any)

C Rank:

C+

Aegislash (Spe, HP)
Amoonguss (SpD, Def)
Blaziken (Atk)
Celesteela (SpA)
Cobalion (Atk, HP)
Conkeldurr (Spe)
Diancie (HP)
Grimmsnarl (Def)
Ninetales-A (Def, Any)
Obstagoon (Atk, Spe)
Porygon2 (SpD, Def, HP)
Torkoal (Spe, SpA)
Venusaur (SpA)


C

Comfey (SpA, HP)
Crobat (SpA, Atk)
Dusclops (HP)
Linoone (Atk)
Klefki (HP)
Kommo-o (SpA, HP, Spe, Atk)
Marowak (Spe, Atk)
Mew (Def, Spe, SpA, Atk)
Mienshao (SpD)
Sharpedo (SpA, Atk)
Togekiss (Spe)
Xurkitree (Spe)
Zapdos-Galar (Spe, Atk, Any)

C-

Arctozolt (Spe, Atk)
Guzzlord (SpD, Def)
Persian (Atk)
Pyukumuku (HP)
Slurpuff (SpA)
Swoobat (HP, SpA)
Tapu Bulu (Spe, HP)
Weezing-Galar (HP, SpD)

If you want to nominate a Pokémon for a promotion, demotion, or appearance on the VR, please give a good explanation to support your reasoning. Calcs and replays are always beneficial.

 

[dhelmise]

Role Compendium (WIP)

Utility

Entry Hazards
Stealth Rock

Gods -

Receivers -

Spikes

Gods - N/A​

Receivers -

Toxic Spikes

Receivers -

Sticky Web

Gods -

Receivers -

Hazard Control
Defog

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Magic Bounce

Gods - N/A​

Receivers - ​

Rapid Spin

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Spinblockers

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Clerics
Aromatherapy / Heal Bell

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Healing Wish

Gods - N/A​

Receivers - ​

Wish

Gods - N/A​

Receivers - ​

Item Removal
Knock Off

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Trick / Switcheroo

Gods - ​

Receivers - ​

Corrosive Gas

Gods - N/A​

Receivers - ​

 

[longhiep341]

Speed Tiers

Total Speed	Pokemon	Base Speed	Nature	EVs	IVs	Boosts (±)
822	Regieleki	200	Positive	252	31	+1
748	Regieleki	200	Neutral	252	31	+1
700	Blastoise	78	Positive	252	31	+3
666	Garchomp	102	Positive	252	31	+2
663	Celesteela	61	Neutral	252	31	+4
661	Pheromosa	151	Positive	252	31	+1
656	Volcarona	100	Positive	252	31	+2
638	Raichu-Alola	110	Neutral	252	31	+2
637	Blastoise	78	Neutral	252	31	+3
634	Kyurem-Black	95	Positive	252	31	+2
618	Zamazenta	138	Positive	252	31	+1
612	Moltres-Galar Zekrom	90	Positive	252	31	+2
604	Excadrill	88	Positive	252	31	+2
598	Volcarona	100	Neutral	252	31	+2
591	Tapu Koko Mewtwo	130	Positive	252	31	+1
590	Zygarde-Complete	85	Positive	252	31	+2
578	Kyurem-Black	95	Neutral	252	31	+2
568	Venusaur Mandibuzz	80	Positive	252	31	+2
560	Blastoise	78	Positive	252	31	+2
558	Moltres-Galar	90	Neutral	252	31	+2
556	Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Positive	252	31	+2
550	Excadrill	88	Neutral	252	31	+2
548	Regieleki	200	Positive	252	31	0
546	Dracozolt	75	Positive	252	31	+2
541	Zygarde-10%	115	Positive	252	31	+1
538	Zygarde-complete	85	Neutral	252	31	+2
525	Latios	110	Positive	252	31	+1
524	Polteageist Cloyster	70	Positive	252	31	+2
522	Kartana	109	Positive	252	31	+1
519	Cobalion Keldeo	108	Positive	252	31	+1
518	Venusaur Mandibuzz	80	Neutral	252	31	+2
510	Blastoise	78	Neutral	252	31	+2
506	Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Neutral	252	31	+2
502	Nihilego	103	Positive	252	31	+1
502	Magearna	65	Positive	252	31	+2
499	Regieleki	200	Neutral	252	31	0
499	Garchomp	102	Positive	252	31	+1
498	Toxtricity Dracozolt	75	Netural	252	31	+2
492	Mew Volcarona Victini Palkia Jirachi	100	Positive	252	31	+1
489	Yveltal	99	Positive	252	31	+1
486	Hydreigon	98	Positive	252	31	+1
483	Lunala Urshifu-Rapid-Strike	97	Positive	252	31	+1
478	Polteageist Cloyster	70	Neutral	252	31	+2
475	Tapu Lele Kyurem-Black Rayquaza Kyurem-White	95	Positive	252	31	+1
463	Landorus-Therian	91	Positive	252	31	+1
459	Dialga Groudon Zekrom Porygon-Z Reshiram	90	Positive	252	31	+1
458	Magearna	65	Neutral	252	31	+2
458	Arctozolt	55	Positive	252	31	+2
454	Garchomp	102	Neutral	252	31	+1
453	Excadrill	88	Positive	252	31	+1
448	Volcarona	100	Neutral	252	31	+1
447	Rotom-Wash Rotom-Heat	86	Positive	252	31	+1
442	Tapu Fini Kommo-o Zygarde-Complete	85	Positive	252	31	+1
442	Celesteela	61	Neutral	252	31	+2
441	Pheromosa	151	Positive	252	31	0
436	Xurkitree	83	Positive	252	31	+1
426	Mamoswine	80	Positive	252	31	+1
423	Buzzwole	79	Positive	252	31	+1
423	Zeraora	143	Positive	252	31	0
420	Blastoise	78	Positive	252	31	+1
418	Arctozolt	55	Neutral	252	31	+2
417	Heatran Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Positive	252	31	+1
412	Zamazenta	138	Positive	252	31	0
412	Excadrill	88	Neutral	252	31	+1
409	Toxtricity Dracozolt	75	Positive	252	31	+1
408	Barraskewda	136	Positive	252	31	0
394	Tapu Koko Mewtwo	130	Positive	252	31	0
390	Zamazenta-Crowned	128	Positive	252	31	0
383	Weavile	125	Positive	252	31	0
379	Noivern	123	Positive	252	31	0
379	Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Neutral	252	31	+1
375	Tornadus-Therian	121	Positive	252	31	0
361	Azelf Zygarde-10% Persian-Alola	115	Positive	252	31	0
359	Swoobat	114	Positive	252	31	0
350	Latios Latias Raichu-Alola Lugia Espeon	110	Positive	252	31	0
348	Kartana Ninetales-Alola	109	Positive	252	31	0
346	Keldeo Cobalion	108	Positive	252	31	0
344	Blacephalon	107	Positive	252	31	0
335	Nihilego	103	Positive	252	31	0
333	Garchomp	102	Positive	252	31	0
329	Zygarde-10%	115	Neutral	252	31	0
328	Zapdos Mew Entei Zapdos-Galar Volcarona Palkia Jirachi Linoon Salamence	100	Positive	252	31	0
326	Yveltal	99	Positive	252	31	0
324	Hydreigon	98	Positive	252	31	0
322	Lunala Urshifu-Rapid-Strike	97	Positive	252	31	0
320	Mimikyu	96	Positive	252	31	0
319	Raichu-Alola	110	Neutral	252	31	0
318	Excadrill	88	Neutral	0	31	+1
317	Tapu Lele Kyurem-Black Rayquaza Obstagoon Indeedee Kyurem-White	95	Positive	252	31	0
309	Landorus-Therian	91	Positive	252	31	0
306	Dialga Groudon Ho-Oh Zekrom Moltres-Galar Porygon-Z Reshiram	90	Positive	252	31	0
302	Excadrill	88	Positive	252	31	0
303	Garchomp	102	Neutral	252	31	0
299	Volcarona Linoone Victini	100	Neutral	252	31	0
298	Rotom-Wash Rotom-Heat	86	Positive	252	31	0
295	Kommo-o Zygarde-Complete Rillaboom Tapu Fini	85	Positive	252	31	0
292	Zamazenta-Crowned	128	Neutral	0	31	0
291	Xurkitree	83	Positive	252	31	0
289	Obstagoon Rayquaza Kyurem-Black	95	Neutral	252	31	0
284	Drifblim Mamoswine	80	Positive	252	31	0
280	Blastoise	78	Positive	252	31	0
279	Moltres-Galar	90	Neutral	252	31	0
278	Heatran Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Positive	252	31	0
278	Tornadus-Therian	121	Neutral	0	31	0
273	Dracozolt Toxtricity	75	Positive	252	31	0
269	Kommo-o Rillaboom	85	Neutral	252	31	0
266	Persian-Alola	115	Neutral	0	31	0
265	Xurkitree	83	Neutral	252	31	0
262	Bisharp	70	Positive	252	31	0
259	Drifblim Mamoswine Venusaur Mandibuzz	80	Neutral	252	31	0
256	Blastoise	78	Neutral	252	31	0
256	Latias Lugia	110	Neutral	252	31	0
253	Heatran Necrozma-Dusk-Mane	77	Neutral	252	31	0
251	Magearna	65	Positive	252	31	0
249	Tapu Bulu Toxtricity	75	Neutral	252	31	0
240	Magnezone	60	Positive	252	31	0
240	Garchomp	102	Neutral	0	31	0
239	Bisharp Polteageist Cloyster	70	Neutral	252	31	0
236	Mew Zapdos Jirachi	100	Neutral	0	31	0
234	Yveltal	99	Neutral	0	31	0
229	Arctozolt	55	Positive	252	31	0
229	Magearna	65	Neutral	252	31	0
221	Celesteela	61	Neutral	252	31	0
219	Magnezone	60	Neutral	252	31	0
218	Landorus-Therian	91	Neutral	0	31	0
218	Victini	100	Positive	252	31	-1
218	Calyrex-Ice	50	Positive	252	31	0
216	Dialga Giratina Groudon Ho-Oh	90	Neutral	0	31	0
212	Excadrill	88	Neutral	0	31	0
208	Rotom-Heat Rotom-Wash	86	Neutral	0	31	0
206	Tapu Fini Kommo-o	85	Neutral	0	31	0
199	Victini	100	Neutral	0	31	-1
196	Mandibuzz	80	Neutral	0	31	0
194	Buzzwole	79	Neutral	0	31	0
190	Heatran Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	0	31	0
186	Klefki	75	Neutral	0	31	0
184	Seismitoad	74	Neutral	0	31	0
176	Skarmory	70	Neutral	0	31	0
170	Corviknight	67	Neutral	0	31	0
166	Scizor Magearna Umbreon Vaporeon	65	Neutral	0	31	0
165	Seismitoad	74	Negative	0	31	0
158	Tyranitar	61	Neutral	0	31	0
156	Clefable Aegislash Porygon2 Sylveon	60	Neutral	0	31	0
148	Mandibuzz	80	Negative	0	0	0
143	Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Negative	0	0	0
142	Tyranitar	61	Negative	0	31	0
140	Clefable	60	Negative	0	31	0
136	Calyrex-Ice Tangrowth Diancie	50	Neutral	0	31	0
126	Conkeldurr Marowak	45	Neutral	0	31	0
130	Hippowdon	47	Neutral	0	31	0
125	Corviknight	67	Negative	0	0	0
122	Guzzlord	43	Neutral	0	31	0
122	Tangrowth Diancie	50	Negative	0	31	0
121	Vaporeon Magearna	65	Negative	0	0	0
120	Araquanid	42	Neutral	0	31	0
116	Rhyperior	40	Neutral	0	31	0
114	Gastrodon	39	Neutral	0	31	0
112	Porygon2	60	Negative	0	0	0
109	Guzzlord	43	Negative	0	31	0
106	Quagsire	35	Neutral	0	31	0
102	Gastrodon	39	Negative	0	31	0
96	Slowbro Slowking-Galar Slowking Slowbro-Galar Amoonguss Reuniclus Snorlax	30	Neutral	0	31	0
95	Quagsire	35	Negative	0	31	0
94	Hatterene	29	Neutral	0	31	0
94	Calyrex-Ice Diancie	50	Negative	0	0	0
85	Marowak Conkeldurr	45	Negative	0	0	0
81	Guzzlord	43	Negative	0	0	0
80	Araquanid	42	Negative	0	0	0
76	Ferrothorn Torkoal	20	Neutral	0	31	0
64	Snorlax	30	Neutral	0	31	-1
58	Slowbro Slowking Reuniclus	30	Negative	0	0	0
48	Snorlax	30	Neutral	0	31	-2
46	Shuckle Pyukumuku	5	Neutral	0	0	0
40	Ferrothorn Torkoal	20	Negative	0	0	0
38	Snorlax	30	Negative	0	0	-1
29	Snorlax	30	Negative	0	0	-2
27	Stakataka	13	Negative	0	0	0
13	Shuckle Pyukumuku	5	Negative	0	0	0

 

[Dylanronpa]

Quick Thoughts: We have some new gods in Melmetal and Zamazenta/Zacian (Have the same stats). Melm donating its amazing hp, attack and defense. And then Zama/Zacian have pretty good stats all around.
With things like Dragapult and Dracovish candidates for gifting I can see a lot of sp.def fairies and water absorb users rising to popularity.
Edit: Forgot Eternatus

 

[Atha]

Sad Serperior is gone, this thing was stupidly broken with Kyurem-White's special attack.
Looking forward to using Araquanid with kyuB atk under rain and some other ideas I came up with once this is OMOTM.

 

[DuDono]

Shuckle could get an insane bulk by getting correct base hp

 

[ShadowShadoge]

Eviolite users will Thrive! I am looking at you Thick Fat Munchlax, Dusclops, and Rhydon!

HP recipients: AV Toxapex / Eviolite Gossifluer with Regenerator is another option
(Eldegoss’ SpD is only mildly higher than Eviolite Gossifluer, but its Def is much lower than Eviolite Gossifluer).

I feel like Wartortle would be a much better tanky spinner, but Gossifleur has Regenerator.

 

[G-Luke]

Eviolite users will Thrive! I am looking at you Thick Fat Munchlax, Dusclops, and Rhydon!

HP recipients: AV Toxapex / Eviolite Gossifluer with Regenerator is another option
(Eldegoss’ SpD is only mildly higher than Eviolite Gossifluer, but its Def is much lower than Eviolite Gossifluer).

These are all ass. Almost all of Toxapex's utility comes from its status moves. Haze, Toxic, Toxic spikes, Recover, Baneful Bunker. Eldegoss needs alot more than HP to be good. Rest of the suggestions seem like waste of time (Wartortle????????)

 

[ShadowShadoge]

Aegislash could be good as an HP donor, having great bulk when in shield form and decent bulk when in blade form.

 

[G-Luke]

Since I played it last generation, I can attest that Munchlax, Dusclops and Rhydon did have a strong viability, and have grown further relevant due to the Dexit limiting many of their checks.

Dusclops with high HP is certainly nothing to scoff at, due to its high 130 base Defenses. Giving Rhydon higher SpD compliments it’s tanky nature, and it’s 130 Atk is far from passive.

I acknowledged Toxapex as a seem to be able to captitalize on Regenerator. But I agree, AV was the wrong choice of item, I meant to focus on Gossifleur, but saw Toxapex’s Regenerator and lumped them together.

Correction: Eldegoss was never my suggestion, I acknowledged it’s weaker than Gossifleur, so people wouldn’t ask why not use its evolution.

A Pokemon with Aromatherapy, Rapid Spin, Sleep Powder, etc. can be a helpful support to a team, while being able to freely heal on its switch can enable its fourth move to be something other than Synthesis. This is a Pokemon that can serve a supportive role, and I don’t feel just saying it is trash helps explain why you think so. Eviolite puts its Defenses to respectable levels, and a HP boost helps it do what it does without compromising bulk.

I don’t plan to use Wartortle, nor did I suggest it, but I didn’t want to knock the person who did, so I said it was awesome, as shown by my asking what recovery it had, since I don’t find myself tempted to use it and thus didn’t know.

If you check the Gen 7 thread you will see how Munchlax, Rhydon, and Dusclops were all highly regarded and ranked. They are not trash.

Dusclops was known for Haze, and W-o-W, and could also block Rapid Spin, while Munchlax was known for phazing thru Whirlwind, and provided a Fire/Ice resistance thru Thick Fat without the weaknesses Fire and Water have. It also paired nicely with Ghosts so they can cover eachothers weaknesses. Rhydon was able to take advantage of Sandstream weather for the SpD, and could stack that with Eviolite and a potential god lending SpD as a stat; while it had many weaknesses, oftentimes it’s typing afforded it useful switching into Fire, Flying, Rock, and Electric hits to support its team. Giving it a Flying-Type teammate like Celesteela provided it with good synergy, and another Pokemon not impacted by Sandstream chip. Further it’s STAB could force out those types, it wasn’t just a wall with no presence.

Everything other than Rhydon had C- viability. Thats the opposite of "strong viability" if I ever knew one. Even Rhydon was B-, which is just above mediocre.

Gossiffleur is still an absolute joke. Sleep Powder is cool ig but its fodder for anything else, since its not that fat, instantly crippled by Knock Off, and just straight up vcannot touch threats like Corviknight, Eternalus or NecrozmaDM. You are better off running Ferrothorn if you are that desperate for a bulky Grass type.

 

[earl]

Grass

Ferrothorn lacks all 3 of those moves I mentioned, (Aromatherapy, Rapid Spin, and Sleep Powder) which is why I considered the Defensive supporting Glossiffleur, since it offers different team support.

Ferrothorn offers Spikes, which is more offensive support, but lacks any reliable recovery, so it’s moves and ability serve a different function.

If anything Ferrothorn cannot really touch Corviknight or Necrozma, while Glossiffleur can put them both to Sleep, affording it turns to Rapid Spin, and Aromatherapy on their switch, and heal off damage via Regenerator even if something else comes in to force it out.

Eviolite makes Glossiffleur’s Defenses basically 115 base each, (240 w/ nature X 1.5 = 360, like 361 with nature off of Base 115 Def/SpD) and gets to keep it’s resistance to Ground, and neutrality to Fighting, very common coverage options on offensive Pokemon. Ferrothorn’s base SpD is literally 116, so it’s hardly bulkier on that front.

And while I agree that Ferrothorn is more often a first consideration, Gossifleur does offer tools that Ferrothorn lacks, still, I don’t really find them comparable because you would want different roles when considering one over the other. I am not VRing it, as the metagame is too new and we cannot even play it on a main server, but it’s a Regenerator who, is expected to come in, alleviate the team of hazards/status, etc. and switch out, healing in the process.

Gen7

As for the VR for Rhydon, Munchlax, and Dusclops, they were literally among the bulkiest Pokemon in the metagame, even rivaling Fur Coat Pokemon.

Due to Dexit, Kanto Slowbro is no longer competing with Munchlax, as a Defense slot Ice/Fire resist, and as Munchlax doesn’t rely on the HP slot, using it for Defense means that your team can let a Non-Uber occupy it so you can literally pick more options for your God.

A lot of the metagame relevance is different due to Dexit, and going over how they functioned then will not be as crucial now, still, I don’t think Dusclops with a HP boost will be a Ghost considered Trash, as even without Eviolite, 130 mixed defenses off just 2 type weaknesses is pretty durable.

Hey G-Luke - I think it’s appropriate if we handle this thru PM if you want to continue (I know my profile is private but I could PM you). I don’t want to derail the thread from its onset with back and forth. Or we could both just drop it, which I feel is best.

The thread deserves additional topics, so let’s move to those, or perhaps other topics Chessking345 and additional people want to address. As this thread is brand new, it would be helpful to determine what will be the expected things to prepare for.

For example: Important speed tiers, and defensive/offensive cores (2-4 Pokemon that compliment each other).

Any thoughts?

You’re arguing that a (insignificantly) bulkier Eldegoss, an NU pick, is good because it has Rapid Spin (any ghost comes in on this and even then you’re not beating any hazard setters with whatever Grass move you run), Sleep Powder (in this context you’re virtually just running this mon to sleep one thing and then become setup fodder for the rest of the match) and Aromatherapy (better users exist). And if you eat a Knock Off, rip. And even if you do wall stuff how are you forcing it out after sleep clause? It has no offensive presence, Excadrill or whatever can just spam Iron Head or SD.

TLDR: The mindset of “this has different moves and therefore has a valid niche” isn’t exactly applicable to something as garbage as gossifleur. There’s better things to use a sleep move once and then become an active detriment to your team

 

[G-Luke]

I built a team
https://pokepast.es/b1984333e76bf1b8

This team is just riding on Dugtrio being OU after one month of being "On The Radar". Primarina with a speed boost is probably cool, unfortunately is still outsped by regular Hydreigon, but what we gonna do?

 

[ShadowShadoge]

I built a team
https://pokepast.es/b1984333e76bf1b8

This team is just riding on Dugtrio being OU after one month of being "On The Radar". Primarina with a speed boost is probably cool, unfortunately is still outsped by regular Hydreigon, but what we gonna do?

I like duggy a lot more in the HP slot because you can get guaranteed kills with final gambit.

 

[G-Luke]

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I like duggy a lot more in the HP slot because you can get guaranteed kills with final gambit.

This sounds nasty asf

 

[GamerOGuy]

Hey there everyone. I have some Pokemon (specifically gift receivers) that I think can be threatening, and a possible gimmick, too. (Image/gif quality may vary)

This may seem like a super odd pick, but Ninjask is the fastest user of Final Gambit in the game. If you put it in the 1st slot of an Eternatus team, the only mons it won't kill are Wobbuffet, Wailord, Snorlax, and ghost types. Also, since it can get Infiltrator, it can Final Gambit any Pokemon that used Substitute. It might be a viable strat or just a gimmick, who knows? Side note, this can also work for Dugtrio, as stated above. Dugtrio is slower, but has Arena Trap, making it so switching is impossible.


This is probably common knowledge, but Dracovish looks like a threat in this metagame. It can either feed off of slower opponents if you put it in your 2nd slot, or outspeed almost everything if you put it in your 6th slot. On a team with Kyurem-Black or Necrozma-Dusk-Mane as its uber, this thing can hit like a truck, or if you use Mewtwo, Eternatus, Zacian, or Zamazenta as your uber, it's faster than a jet.

EDIT: Did a calc and 157 base atk jolly max atk dracovish with a choice band can 2HKO Toxapex with 140 base hp and max hp and max def with a +def nature

I may be jumping the gun here, but this thing looks like a monster with a better speed tier. It loves to have a good speed tier, good attack stat, and two STABs with Adaptability, along with Knock Off for removing items and Aqua Jet for priority.

I hate my life for even mentioning these two... Anyways, yeah, Jirachi and Togekiss both appreciate a speed boost to improve on their flinchhax game. Not much else to say.


One of Seismitoad's base 75 defenses can increase by a lot by putting it in your 3rd or 5th slots. Like in OU, Seismitoad can scare off offensive Water-types, such as Dracovish.

Some of these Pokemon may not be super viable, but I wanted to mention all of them.

 

[ShadowShadoge]

Hey there everyone. I have some Pokemon (specifically gift receivers) that I think can be threatening, and a possible gimmick, too. (Image/gif quality may vary)
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This may seem like a super odd pick, but Ninjask is the fastest user of Final Gambit in the game. If you put it in the 1st slot of an Eternatus team, the only mons it won't kill are Wobbuffet, Wailord, Snorlax, and ghost types. Also, since it can get Infiltrator, it can Final Gambit any Pokemon that used Substitute. It might be a viable strat or just a gimmick, who knows? Side note, this can also work for Dugtrio, as stated above. Dugtrio is slower, but has Arena Trap, making it so switching is impossible.

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This is probably common knowledge, but Dracovish looks like a threat in this metagame. It can either feed off of slower opponents if you put it in your 2nd slot, or outspeed almost everything if you put it in your 6th slot. On a team with Kyurem-Black or Necrozma-Dusk-Mane as its uber, this thing can hit like a truck, or if you use Mewtwo, Eternatus, Zacian, or Zamazenta as your uber, it's faster than a jet.

EDIT: Did a calc and 157 base atk jolly max atk dracovish with a choice band can 2HKO Toxapex with 140 base hp and max hp and max def with a +def nature
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I may be jumping the gun here, but this thing looks like a monster with a better speed tier. It loves to have a good speed tier, good attack stat, and two STABs with Adaptability, along with Knock Off for removing items and Aqua Jet for priority.

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I hate my life for even mentioning these two... Anyways, yeah, Jirachi and Togekiss both appreciate a speed boost to improve on their flinchhax game. Not much else to say.

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One of Seismitoad's base 75 defenses can increase by a lot by putting it in your 3rd or 5th slots. Like in OU, Seismitoad can scare off offensive Water-types, such as Dracovish.

Some of these Pokemon may not be super viable, but I wanted to mention all of them.

Seismitoad is much better suited for the 4th slot with Swift Swim.

 

[Pokemon guy]

https://pokepast.es/9d82b9f949b2c7ff
this is the first team I made for this metagame
feedback would be nice
Edit:My Clefable didn't have soft-boiled

 

[ShadowShadoge]

Seismitoad should also be a SpA receiver on the VR. It can OHKO threats like Zacian-C, Dugtrio, Hatterene, and almost everything else that doesn't resist it, or doesn't have heavy defense investment while also receiving HP or SpD under rain.

 

[GamerOGuy]

Why is Pure Power banned when nothing gets it? The Meditite family aren't in SwSh, and nothing else gets it, sooo....

 

[Chessking345]

With the DLC dropping there have been a lot of changes to this meta.
First of all Kris will be joining the council to help make tiering decisions and VR changes.


Dracovish has been banned by OU to Ubers, so it is no longer classified as a receiver and is instead a potential (albeit really bad) god.


Arena Trap, Chansey, and Blissey have been quickbanned.
Arena Trap has been considered uncompetitive with Dugtrio and Diglett being able to inherit HP for Final Gambit to eliminate most threats easily, or inherit Atk to fire off stronger Earthquakes. Trapinch is another possibility by inheriting speed to trap faster threats.
Chansey and Blissey are still incredible defensive walls by inheriting Def and can become nigh unbreakable. Their new tech in Teleport also allow them to be used on faster teams as a defensive pivot against basically anything.


Toxapex is still on the watchlist for being an incredibly splashable wall that can be hard to punish, especially with Arena Trap being banned.

From DLC we also received a lot of new options for receivers, such as Urshifu, Slowbro, Slowking, Tangrowth, Scizor, Magnezone, and more! These new mons will be placed in a temporary "New Rank" while we decide on their placements.

 

[Deleted User 464209]

Perennially the second most popular OMotM. We'll get em next month.

 

[Geyro]

With the potential of toxapex in this tier and with good support to deal with some counter, this meta could turn into stall supremacy no?

 

[SamHPL]

Perennially the second most popular OMotM. We got them this month.