Got Talent (Playable on ROM!) [Dead - no conditions in Gen 7]

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Live from Other Metagames, on the Smogon forums, this is Pokemon's...Got...Talent! Here's your host, nv!


Thank you, thank you! Welcome to "Got Talent?" a unique metagame where the (contest) conditions of moves now determine the stat a move uses for damage calculation. What this means is each condition happens to correlate with a stat, allowing for some crazy, fresh new strategies that can win over or surprise the opponent!
Rules:

Mechanic: Moves are now separated into their contest conditions. Each move now uses the stat correlating with its contest condition for damage calculation.
Clauses: OU Clauses
Bans: OU Banlist with the following bans:
Shuckle
Speed Boost
Unbans:
Aegislash
Hoopa-Unbound

Strategy:

There are 5 contest conditions (Cool, Tough, Beautiful, Clever, and Cute) and every move happens to be classified into these 5 groups. Each condition also happens to correlate with a specific stat (minus HP), meaning Cool = Attack, Tough = Defense, Beautiful = Special Attack, Clever = Special Defense, and Cute = Speed.

Q&A:

Q: How does damage calculation work?
A: Scald, a Tough move, coming from Slowbro now uses its invested base 110 Defense stat, rather than its uninvested base 100 Special Attack stat for damage calculation.

Q: Are status moves affected by this new mechanic?
A: No as they don't cause any damage to the opponent in the "attacking" sense lol.

Q: What about setup moves?
A: Setup moves will work as normal; however, setup moves such as Iron Defense and Amnesia will boost Tough and Clever moves respectively, allowing for a plethora of new setup options, giving even more creativity.

Q: Does the Physical/Special split stay intact?
A: Yes. Even if a special move uses the Pokemon's Attack stat (Dark Pulse or Vacuum Wave for example), it will still hit the opponent's Pokemon on its Special Defense stat.

Q: How does Foul Play work with it being a Clever move?
A: The mechanic doesn't change as the description of the move itself is "The user turns the target's power against it. The higher the target's Attack stat, the greater the move's power."

Q: How does Unaware work? Does it still block the offensive boosts from the new boosting moves?
A: Unfortunately, no. Unaware only ignores the boosts to Cool or Beautiful moves while only ignoring the defensive boosts to a Pokemon's Defense or Special Defense, meaning that the most common boosters can power through Unaware Pokemon.

Q: Where can I play this?
A: Thanks to urkerab, it is playable on the ROM server!


Resources:

Move List:
Notable moves are bolded.
Unreleased moves are underlined.


(Attack)

(no change)

Fell Stinger, Fury Cutter, Megahorn, Pin Missile, Twineedle, X-Scissor

Darkest Lariat, Night Slash, Punishment

Dragon Claw, Outrage

Fusion Bolt, Spark, Thunder Fang, Thunder Punch, Volt Tackle, Zing Zap

Brick Break, Circle Throw, Cross Chop, Double Kick, Dynamic Punch, Force Palm, High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, Mach Punch, Reversal, Rolling Kick, Sacred Sword, Sky Uppercut, Storm Throw, Submission, Triple Kick, Vital Throw

Blaze Kick, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, V-Create

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Brave Bird, Drill Peck, Peck, Sky Attack, Wing Attack

Phantom Force, Shadow Bone, Shadow Claw, Shadow Force, Spectral Thief

Bullet Seed, Leaf Blade, Razor Leaf, Solar Blade, Vine Whip

Precipice Blades

Ice Fang

Crush Claw, Cut, Double Hit, Extreme Speed, False Swipe, Fury Attack, Hold Back, Horn Attack, Hyper Fang, Mega Kick, Quick Attack, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Slash, Spike Cannon

Cross Poison

Psycho Cut

Accelrock

Gyro Ball, Iron Tail, Magnet Bomb, Metal Claw, Meteor Mash, Smart Strike, Steel Wing, Sunsteel Strike

Aqua Jet, Liquidation, Razor Shell

Aeroblast, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Oblivion Wing

Dark Pulse
, Night Daze

Dragon Breath, Twister

Electro Ball, Shock Wave, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thundershock, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Focus Blast, Vacuum Wave

Searing Shot

Moongeist Beam

Leaf Tornado, Solar Beam

Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Razor Wind, Swift, Techno Blast, Trump Card

Extrasensory, Prismatic Laser, Psystrike

Water Shuriken
(Defense)

Steamroller

Bite, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Hyperspace Fury, Payback, Thief

Dragon Hammer, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Chop

Wild Charge

Arm Thrust, Close Combat, Drain Punch, Focus Punch, Hammer Arm, Karate Chop, Low Kick, Power-Up Punch, Revenge, Rock Smash, Superpower, Wake-Up Slap

Fire Punch, Heat Crash

Beak Blast, Flying Press, Sky Drop

Spirit Shackle

Leafage, Horn Leech, Power Whip, Seed Bomb, Wood Hammer

Bone, Club, Bone Rush, Bonemerang, Bulldoze, Dig, Drill Run, Earthquake, High Horsepower, Magnitude, Stomping Tantrum, Thousand Waves

Ice Hammer

Bind, Body Slam, Chip Away, Comet Punch, Constrict, Crush Grip, Double-Edge, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Head Charge, Headbutt, Mega Punch, Multi-Attack, Pound, Rage, Rock Climb, Scratch, Skull Bash, Slam, Smelling Salts, Stomp, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Vice Grip, Wrap

Gunk Shot, Poison Jab

Head Smash, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Throw, Rock Wrecker, Smack Down, Stone Edge

Anchor Shot, Bullet Punch, Heavy Slam, Iron Head

Clamp, Crabhammer, Waterfall

Snarl

Clanging Scales, Core Enforcer

Incinerate, Lava Plume, Magma Storm, Shell Trap

Hurricane

Mud Shot

Boomburst, Spit Up, Wring Out

Belch, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Smog

Ancient Power

Brine, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Scald, Sparkling Aria
(Special Attack)

Bolt Strike

Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire

Dragon Ascent

Petal Blizzard

Land's Wrath, Thousand Arrows

Avalanche, Freeze Shock, Ice Ball, Ice Punch, Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear

Explosion, Self-Destruct

Diamond Storm

Aqua Tail, Dive
(no change)

Bug Buzz, Signal Beam, Silver Wind

Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Roar of Time, Spacial Rend

Charge Beam, Discharge, Electroweb

Dazzling Gleam, Fairy Wind, Fleur Cannon, Light of Ruin, Moonblast

Aura Sphere, Secret Sword

Blast Burn, Blue Flare, Eruption, Fiery Dance, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flame Burst, Flamethrower, Fusion Flare, Heat Wave, Inferno, Mystical Fire, Overheat

Ominous Wind

Energy Ball, Grass Pledge, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Petal Dance, Seed Flare

Earth Power

Aurora Beam, Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Frost Breath, Glaciate, Ice Beam, Ice Burn, Icy Wind, Powder Snow

Echoed Voice, Judgement, Nature Power, Relic Song, Revelation Dance, Round, Tri Attack, Weather Ball

Acid Spray, Clear Smog, Venoshock

Psybeam, Psyshock

Power Gem

Doom Desire, Flash Cannon, Mirror Shot

Bubble Beam, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Origin Pulse, Steam Eruption, Surf, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool
(Special Defense)

Attack Order

Assurance, Beat Up, Feint Attack, Foul Play, Knock Off, Power Trip, Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Throat Chop

Low Sweep

Fly

Shadow Punch, Shadow Sneak

Needle Arm

Sand Tomb

Feint, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Secret Power

Poison Fang, Poison Sting, Poison Tail

Psychic Fangs, Zen Headbutt

Rock Tomb

Gear Grind

Leech Life

Parabolic Charge

Burn Up

Gust

Hex, Shadow Ball

Absorb, Giga Drain, Mega Drain

Hidden Power

Acid

Confusion, Dream Eater, Future Sight, Hyperspace Hole, Luster Purge, Mist Ball, Psychic, Psycho Boost, Stored Power, Synchronoise
(Speed)

Bug Bite, First Impression, Lunge, U-turn

Fling

Nuzzle

Play Rough

Fire Lash

Bounce, Pluck

Astonish, Lick

Trop Kick

Barrage, Covet, Dizzy Punch, Double Slap, Egg Bomb, Facade, Fake Out, Flail, Frustration, Last Resort, Present, Return, Tail Slap

Heart Stamp

Rollout

Infestation, Pollen Puff, Struggle Bug

Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss

Ember

Chatter

Grass Knot

Mud Bomb, Mud Slap

Snore, Uproar

Bubble, Water Gun
Credits to Serebii's AttackDex for the up-to-date organizing of moves into their Contest conditions and to Asumi for gathering moves I missed

Useful Posts:
The Got Talent? Playbook: Pokemon's Stats and Moves organized by Conditions by Jajoken
Got Talent? Frameworks by PinkDragonTamer
 
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Credit to those who helped with the Viability Rankings
nv, ~Eternally, Jajoken, Zangooser, Dr. Phd. BJ, InfernapeTropius11, OM room


Got Talent? Viability Rankings
(Ranked Alphabetically)

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the Got Talent? metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

Mega Aggron
Mega Altaria

A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the Got Talent? metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be overlooked when compared to their positive traits.

A+
Chesnaught
Mega Diancie
Ferrothorn
Skarmory
Mega Slowbro
Mega Venusaur

A
Furfrou
Heatran
Mega Latias
Mandibuzz
Mega Metagross
Slowbro
Uxie

A-
Cobalion
Meloetta
Mew
Mega Sableye
Sceptile
Mega Scizor
Mega Steelix
Suicune
Mega Swampert
Umbreon
Volcanion
Zygarde

B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the Got Talent? metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.

B+
Celebi
Chansey
Cresselia
Dusclops
Florges
Gliscor
Golbat
Mega Heracross
Hippowdon
Kecleon
Keldeo
Mega Lopunny
Ninjask
Mega Pinsir
Registeel
Rhydon
Sigilyph
Snorlax
Spiritomb
Steelix
Sylveon
Tyranitar
Tyrantrum
Weezing

B
Amoonguss
Doublade
Forretress
Gligar
Hoopa
Jirachi
Lairon
Latias
Latios
Manaphy
Mega Medicham
Onix
Porygon2
Scrafty
Serperior
Mega Tyranitar

B-
Mega Audino
Blastoise
Cofagrigus
Dragonite
Gallade
Linoone
Musharna
Starmie
Swampert
Tangela
Volcarona


C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the Got Talent? metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

C+
Mega Abomasnow
Aggron
Alakazam
Mega Camerupt
Cofagrigus
Donphan
Garchomp
Kyurem-Black
Machamp
Slurpuff
Stoutland
Tangrowth
Togekiss
Torkoal

C
Mega Alakazam
Mega Beedrill
Bronzong
Claydol
Electivire
Regirock
Relicanth
Rhyperior
Slowking
Thundurus
Whimsicott

C-
Aegislash
Carracosta
Diancie
Drapion
Landorus-Therian
Metang
Omastar
Pelipper
Probopass

D(on't use) Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are nonviable in the Got Talent? metagame and have no concrete advantage to make them worth using. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are severely outclassed because of it.

Clefable
Dusknoir
Galvantula
Magcargo
Malamar
Quagsire
 
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Sample Sets:



Charizard @ Charizardite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Focus Blast

Electivire @ Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Taunt/Thunder Wave

Heracross-Mega @ Heracronite
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD OR 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Pin Missile
- Vacuum Wave
- Bullet Seed/Focus Blast

Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 144 SpA / 112 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Blizzard / Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
- Fusion Bolt
- Dragon Claw / Outrage


Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Cotton Guard
- Body Slam / Double Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost

Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Spore
- Synthesis
- Seed Bomb

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spikes
- Spiky Shield
- Leech Seed
- Drain Punch

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Seed Bomb / Wood Hammer
- Drain Punch / Hammer Arm
- Stone Edge / Sludge Bomb / Iron Head

Cobalion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 48 HP / 252 Def / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Iron Defense
- Iron Head
- Superpower

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Power Whip
- Iron Head
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Def / 12 Spe
Impish Nature
- Protect / Substitute / Knock Off
- Roost
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Golbat @ Eviolite
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Defog
- Sludge Bomb
- Haze / Super Fang

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Magma Storm / Lava Plume
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Iron Head

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
-Scald
-Rain Dance
-Rest
-Acid Armor

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Coil / Dragon Tail

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Curse / Sludge Wave
- Recover

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 208 HP / 252 Def / 48 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Superpower / Thief / Baton Pass

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Head
- Iron Defense / Whirlwind
- Roost
- Defog

Slowbro-Mega @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Iron Defense
- Scald
- Slack Off
- Drain Punch / Earthquake / Thunder Wave

Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Power Whip
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Sleep Powder

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic Spikes
- Sludge Bomb
- Incinerate
- Pain Split


Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 92 HP / 252 SpA / 164 Spe
Rash Nature / Modest Nature
- Ice Shard
- Blizzard
- Energy Ball
- Leech Seed / Focus Blast

Diancie-Mega @ Diancite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest Nature
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Earth Power
- Protect / Calm Mind

Heatran @ Leftovers / Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tail Glow
- Surf
- Energy Ball
- Ice Beam

Volcanion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Steam Eruption
- Earth Power
- Explosion


Cradily @ Leftovers
Ability: Suction Cups / Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Amnesia
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Rock Tomb / Hidden Power [Fire]

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave

Kecleon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak/Rock Tomb
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Sucker Punch

Meloetta @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpD / 44 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Zen Headbutt / Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fire] / Low Sweep
- Knock Off
- Secret Power

Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Amnesia
- Psychic/Knock Off
- Roost/Knock Off
- Baton Pass

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Amnesia
- Knock Off
- Low Sweep
- Rest / Hidden Power [Poison] / Hidden Power [Steel]

Sigilyph @ Life Orb / Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 1 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe
- Cosmic Power
- Stored Power
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Roost

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Secret Power
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell

Tyranitar @ Leftovers / Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Pursuit
- Rock Tomb
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Amnesia
- Psychic
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Fighting]

Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Amnesia
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Fire]


Linoone @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Quick Feet
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Facade
- Play Rough
- Grass Knot
- Protect

Sceptile @ Salac Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Agility
- Grass Knot
- Return
 
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Team Archive


Volcanion @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 168 HP / 252 Def / 88 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Sludge Wave
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Spikes

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Diamond Storm
- Earth Power

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Defog
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Flying]

Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 248 HP / 120 Def / 140 SpD
Careful Nature
- Coil
- Earthquake
- Sludge Wave
- Dragon Tail


Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Scald
- Slack Off
- Thunder Wave

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Defog

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Whirlwind
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Curse
- Recover
- Scald
- Earthquake

Virizion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Synthesis


Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Power Whip
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Sleep Powder

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
- Amnesia
- Zen Headbutt
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power

Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Coil
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake
- Sludge Wave

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Roar

Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Defog
- Roost


Swampert-Mega @ Swampertite
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Barrier
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Sludge Wave

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Drain Punch
- Spikes
- Synthesis

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Soft-Boiled
- Zen Headbutt

Sylveon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 92 Def / 252 SpD / 164 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 1 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD
- Secret Power
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Synchronoise

Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Defog
- Roost


Cobalion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 48 HP / 252 Def / 208 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Iron Defense
- Iron Head
- Superpower

Meloetta @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Calm Nature
- Secret Power
- Psychic
- Knock Off
- Low Sweep

Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Power Whip
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Sleep Powder

Spiritomb @ Assault Vest
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Shadow Ball
- Rock Tomb

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
- Secret Power


Diancie-Mega @ Diancite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 180 HP / 252 SpD / 76 Spe
Calm Nature
- Amnesia
- Zen Headbutt
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Sceptile @ Salac Berry
Ability: Unburden
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Agility
- Grass Knot
- Frustration

Furfrou @ Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 Spe
Bold Nature
- Cotton Guard
- Headbutt
- Wild Charge
- Snarl

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psych Up
- Scald
- Bulldoze
- Substitute

Kecleon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 1 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe
- Shadow Sneak
- Sucker Punch
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Rock Tomb


Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Roar
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Def / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Cotton Guard
- Roost

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Def / 24 Spe
Bold Nature
- Iron Head
- Roost
- Defog
- Iron Defense

Sceptile @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Agility
- Grass Knot
- Return

Electivire @ Leftovers
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Focus Blast
- Taunt

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 180 SpD
Bold Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
- Rock Tomb



Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Substitute

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Amnesia
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Knock Off

Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Giga Drain
- Amnesia
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Aromatherapy
- Soft-Boiled
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Head
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Defog

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Curse
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Recover


Heracross-Mega @ Heracronite
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pin Missile
- Vacuum Wave
- Focus Blast
- Swords Dance

Furfrou @ Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Cotton Guard
- Headbutt
- Wild Charge
- Snarl

Ninjask @ Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Return
- Struggle Bug
- U-turn

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Iron Head
- Roost
- Defog
- Iron Defense

Scrafty @ Assault Vest
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs: 200 HP / 252 SpD / 56 Spe
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Low Sweep
- Rock Tomb
- Hidden Power [Steel]

Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Sneak
- Rock Tomb
 
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THIS IS HEAT nv! Offense is going to be dominant (i think) funny thing i found


Shuckle @ Life Orb / Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Knock Off
- Shell Smash

Shuckle with that base 230 attack :^). So Shuckle is like a bulky sweeper. EQ and Rock Slide are tough, and Knock Off is Clever which takes Shuckle's legendary 230 Defence / 230 Special Defence to its attack. Shell Smash is to boost the defences (or toughness) and then sweep while having more bulk.
 
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im just going to repost what i said in the main conversation for convinience sake:

lmao speed boost ninjask sounds insane. especially with a choice scarf oh my lord bug bite and return gain DESTRUCTIVE wallbreaking power.
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band(actually is scarf) Ninjask Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 91-107 (27.2 - 32%) -- 58.4% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
doesnt sound like much at first...but then you realize that skarm is constantly pressured...as
+3 252+ Atk Choice Band Ninjask Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 151-178 (45.2 - 53.2%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
the more it roost stalls, the more it cant fight back.if only jask had the bulk to tank 140 def iron heads (never thought id say that)

in other news...cotton guard furfrou sounds RIDICULOUS. i mean look at this:
+3 252+ Atk Huge Power Furfrou Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 374-440 (111.9 - 131.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+3 252+ Atk Huge Power Furfrou Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 246-289 (58.5 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+3 252+ Atk Huge Power Furfrou Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 202-238 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
not to mention this makes it STUPIDLY bulky to anything hoping to hit its defense. not to mention its last move can be snarl to hit spc def walls even HARDER.

tbh, stall sounds like its job is both easy, and hard. it can now have some insane offensive power...BUT it also fears mons with "colourful" coverage. as stuff like snarl furfrou can be used to get past the few walls that...well...wall it since it still hits the opponents spc def.
 
#7
This is a pretty neat idea actually. Not too long ago I was wondering what would happen if Contest stats had any effect on normal battles, and this is a pretty interesting spin to put on it I think.

Few things I found:

Mega Diancie seems like it's buffed a bit as its Diamond Storm and Explosion are Beautiful moves, meaning that it's no longer forced to go mixed if it wants good damage output from those moves (or rather, Diamond Storm in particular as it lacks Power Gem), therefore increasing its overall damage capacity. (Hidden Power is a Clever move though which is a bit unfortunate if it wants to hit Steels that aren't weak to Earth Power hard)

Close Combat is now counter-intuitive to spam as it deals damage off the user's Defense stat and lowers it at the same time. It's still a decent move to use if you need a one- or two-time Fighting move to hit hard with (though at that point, you might as well use Superpower even though it still suffers from that problem), though its distribution isn't oriented towards Pokémon with high Defense so it might be hard to find a good user.

Coil Zygarde seems neat. It has Dragon Rush and Earthquake for STABs that hit off its Defense stat (21 base higher than its Attack, for reference), as well as (potentially) Crunch and Stone Edge hitting off the same stat for coverage. Unfortunately, Extreme Speed still uses Attack, but it shouldn't be that much of an issue as Coil also still boosts Attack.

Oh, and Hyperspace Fury is a Tough move and so hits off of Defense. rip physical Hoopa-U

While this isn't particularly relevant as it's exclusive to an Uber, Psystrike is essentially just a physical move now as it uses Attack to calculate damage and it hits on the opponent's Defense.

also Ice Shard and Icicle Crash are both Beautiful moves, Knock Off is Clever, and Low Kick is Tough. rip weavile (there's still Night Slash I guess but Weavile in general looks to be pretty bad here)

(more on the way eventually, maybe)
 
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#8
Oh boy! Such a creative and fun metagame.

One of the best ideas that I've come up with so far is weather, and specifically the speed-boosting weather abilities combined with Cute moves. For instance, here are some good examples:

• Stoutland + Sand Rush + Return
• Venusaur + Chlorophyll + Grass Knot / Knock Off
• Sawsbuck + Chlorophyll + Return / Grass Knot

In general, there's a great deal of potential with Cute moves:

• Tailwind looks really fun, effectively giving a free Swords Dance/Nasty Plot for a few turns (unfortunately the screens don't work in this same way)
• Baton Passing with Ninjask, or Scolipede if the former gets banned but Speed Boost as a whole somehow doesn't.
• Slurpuff + Unburden + Play Rough
• Accelgor + Unburden + Bug Bite / U-turn
• Hitmonlee + Unburden + Fake Out + Normal Gem, depending on how those mechanics work
• Sceptile + Unburden + Grass Knot

Of course, the main problem with all of these strategies is the insanely limited Cute movepool. Many of these Pokemon have marginal coverage and an inability to do much of anything besides hit hard with these single moves. It's for this reason that I expect Pokemon like Furfrou and Mega Altaria with Cotton Guard + Tough moves to be significantly more effective.

On an unrelated note: it'll be fun to see if Regigigas and Archeops get any use, given that they don't necessarily have to make use of the moves affected by their abilities.
 
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#9
Of course, the main problem with all of these strategies is the insanely limited Cute movepool. Many of these Pokemon have marginal coverage and an inability to do much of anything besides hit hard with these single moves. It's for this reason that I expect Pokemon like Furfrou and Mega Altaria with Cotton Guard + Tough moves to be significantly more effective.
Just going to make a comment about this: Oddly enough, (according to Serebii, at least) the offensive movepool with the Cute condition was actually more diverse back in Gen 4. More specifically, this includes the likes of Aqua Tail (good coverage that's available on a lot of Pokémon), Shadow Claw (similar to Aqua Tail, though it's weaker), Leaf Storm (essentially a 140 BP move which, under the rules of this meta, would have no significant drawback; would get worse on Serperior though ofc), and Brave Bird. The latter would be especially scary on Talonflame given its immense Speed stat.
 
#10
A mon that looks REALLY (emphasis on really) interesting is Diggersby. It gets access to Return/Frustration coming from base 78 speed for attack rather than the base 56 attack it has normally. This allows it to have massive wallbreaking power while being able to run a positive speed nature. It can invest in defense rather than attack, since EQ and Wild Charge (for skarm and bulky waters like Slowbro, Suicune, Alo, etc.) are tough moves rather than cool. It has 77 Defense which is also a significant boost from its original 56. This also improves its bulk to allow it to tank hits, respectively. There are other cool pokes like Mega Diancie that can do work in the tier that I would like to test once this gets coded. 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 390-459 (114.3 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
#11
A mon that looks REALLY (emphasis on really) interesting is Diggersby. It gets access to Return/Frustration coming from base 78 speed for attack rather than the base 56 attack it has normally. This allows it to have massive wallbreaking power while being able to run a positive speed nature. It can invest in defense rather than attack, since EQ and Wild Charge (for skarm and bulky waters like Slowbro, Suicune, Alo, etc.) are tough moves rather than cool. It has 77 Defense which is also a significant boost from its original 56. This also improves its bulk to allow it to tank hits, respectively. There are other cool pokes like Mega Diancie that can do work in the tier that I would like to test once this gets coded. 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 390-459 (114.3 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
but shuckle is stronger :^) it may not be fast but can bulk hits and do heaps
 
#12
but shuckle is stronger :^) it may not be fast but can bulk hits and do heaps
Yeah, Shuckle here is basically Power Trick Shuckle in Doubles except it doesn't get OHKO'd by every physical move and has a reliable method of boosting. It's even scarier if you can back it up with Trick Room support somehow, because nothing is going to move before it under Trick Room unless they're a priority-user.
 
#13
but shuckle is stronger :^) it may not be fast but can bulk hits and do heaps
Yeah, Shuckle here is basically Power Trick Shuckle in Doubles except it doesn't get OHKO'd by every physical move and has a reliable method of boosting. It's even scarier if you can back it up with Trick Room support somehow, because nothing is going to move before it under Trick Room unless they're a priority-user.
Shuckle will probably end up getting suspected. The big difference is that Shuckle has base 5 speed compared to Diggersby's 78. That could be the difference in killing a Slowbro or getting Scald burned. By no means is Shuckle bad, it just doesn't 100% outclass. Not to mention Diggersby has a significantly better move pool.
 

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#14
A mon that looks REALLY (emphasis on really) interesting is Diggersby. It gets access to Return/Frustration coming from base 78 speed for attack rather than the base 56 attack it has normally. This allows it to have massive wallbreaking power while being able to run a positive speed nature. It can invest in defense rather than attack, since EQ and Wild Charge (for skarm and bulky waters like Slowbro, Suicune, Alo, etc.) are tough moves rather than cool. It has 77 Defense which is also a significant boost from its original 56. This also improves its bulk to allow it to tank hits, respectively. There are other cool pokes like Mega Diancie that can do work in the tier that I would like to test once this gets coded. 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 390-459 (114.3 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The problem with this is that Huge Power only effects Attack since the ability states it directly.

This means basically that any mon with Huge Power can only use Cool moves to get said boost. Same thing goes for Fur Coat and Tough moves.


But yea I am really excited to see what this metagame can bring to light (first OM to ban Shuckle y/y)
 
#15
Heya nv!

This OM really seems great, one of the most innovative and unique idea I have seen in a while.

If Shuckle doesn't get banned in this OM I can definitely see it as a very common bulky sweeper. This will be one of the most common threats seen to threaten all teams. If it does get banned, I am sure we all can think plenty of other pokemon that get buffed on a stat to lead the team.

Overall, great OM and I would love to be able to play it on the ladder someday!

-TenucSkenuck
 
#16
Do you guys think Trick Room could see some use in this metagame, seeing how many really threatening slow sweepers there are (like the aforementioned Shuckle)? One that comes to mind is Mega Steelix, which can use Earthquake, Heavy Slam, and Stone Edge off of its 230 Defense stat, while being fully invested in defense.

Also I was thinking Rampardos could be a threat since it now has access to recoil-free Life Orb and Sheer Force boosted Focus Blast and Thunderbolt off of its 165 base Attack. But that level of power is completely dwarfed by Ninjask and Shuckle and whatnot so it's probably not very notable.
 
#18
This is a highly original metagame. I love it. XD

Bulky attackers using the modified moves would define this metagame.
Also, Will-O-Wisp can no longer put a stop to most physical attackers.


Aggron @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Head Smash
- Earthquake
- Heavy Slam
- Dragon Tail / Superpower

This is going to hurt a lot. STAB Head Smash coming off 180 base defense and without the nasty recoil. All of these moves use Aggron's stellar Defense stat, so bash everything away.



Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Pursuit
- Rock Tomb
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Thunderbolt

This seriously needs a second look. Sand boosts Rock-type Special Defense by 50%, and Tyranitar reaches 738 SDef after Assault Vest.
Pursuit hits amazingly hard. Rock Tomb is a guaranteed 2HKO on Defensive Skarmory after rocks and Leftovers, while crippling those Cute users. HP Flying takes care of a Fighting and Grass, while Thunderbolt uses Tyranitar's still usable Atk to hit Water-types.


Uxie @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Psychic
- Knock Off
- Shadow Ball
- Giga Drain

Speaking of Assault Vest. I think AV is pretty broken.


Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Cotton Guard
- Body Slam / Double Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost


Other Stuff:
Cobalion: Dual STAB Close Combat and Iron Head both come off its 129 base defense stat. It also has Iron Defense to give it even more power. Coverage from Stone Edge and Poison Jab as well.
Eviolite can make bulky monsters that can hit hard. Things like Dusclops can abuse it with Shadow Sneak, Knock Off and Sucker Punch coming off SDef. Eviolite Lairon hits HARDER than Aggron.
 
#19
I am also a fan of this OM idea. However, I'm thinking more Ubers than just Aegislash can be unbanned here...

Not as threatening with its coverage moves (Low Kick and Gunk Shot) being Tough (base 67 Def) and its lack of usable Cute STAB (to capitalize on its base 122 Speed). It does, however, get Frustration/Return and U-turn as Cute moves (which are pretty much its best options for physical walls), as well as the usual (and unchanged) Hydro Pump and Ice Beam.
No longer has a way to boost the power of its priority now that Sucker Punch is Clever (base 100 SpD) and Power-Up Punch is Tough (base 100 Def). Moreover, the Clever side is not even worth visiting because there is no STAB in that category. It may have a nice Tough repertoire—Crunch, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Power-Up Punch (as mentioned), Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Body Slam—but base 100 does not sound quite as appealing as base 125, Parental Bond or not, especially unboosted and with significantly nerfed priority.
Landorus is infamous for its offensive prowess with Sheer Force. Even though its STAB Earth Power is unchanged, its coverage options are completely different. In particular, Knock Off and Hidden Power are Clever (base 80 SpD), while Rock Slide and Sludge Wave are Tough (base 90 Def). Extrasensory and Focus Blast are some useful Cool moves (base 125 Atk), while U-turn is a handy Cute move (base 101 Spe), but that's pretty much the greatest extent of its coverage. Note the lack of Beautiful coverage moves. In short, its Sheer Force set seems less threatening.
Normally has ridiculous strength with Huge Power and base 105 Attack; now lacks the tools to use it (i.e., none of its useful offensive moves are Cool). In fact, its useful offensive moves are all over the place. Iron Head is Tough (base 125 Def), Flash Cannon is Beautiful (base 55 SpA), Sucker Punch and Knock Off are Clever (base 95 SpD), and Play Rough is Cute (base 50 Spe).

Thoughts?
 
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I am also a fan of this OM idea. However, I'm thinking more Ubers than just Aegislash can be unbanned here...

Not as threatening with its coverage moves (Low Kick and Gunk Shot) being Tough (base 67 Def) and its lack of usable Cute STAB (to capitalize on its base 122 Speed). It does, however, get Frustration/Return and U-turn as Cute moves (which are pretty much its best options for physical walls), as well as the usual (and unchanged) Hydro Pump and Ice Beam.
No longer has a way to boost the power of its priority now that Sucker Punch is Clever (base 100 SpD) and Power-Up Punch is Tough (base 100 Def). Moreover, the Clever side is not even worth visiting because there is no STAB in that category. It may have a nice Tough repertoire—Crunch, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Power-Up Punch (as mentioned), Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Body Slam—but base 100 does not sound quite as appealing as base 125, Parental Bond or not, especially unboosted and with significantly nerfed priority.
Landorus is infamous for its offensive prowess with Sheer Force. Even though its STAB Earth Power is unchanged, its coverage options are completely different. In particular, Knock Off and Hidden Power are Clever (base 80 SpD), while Rock Slide and Sludge Wave are Tough (base 90 Def). Extrasensory and Focus Blast are some useful Cool moves (base 125 Atk), while U-turn is a handy Cute move (base 101 Spe), but that's pretty much the greatest extent of its coverage. Note the lack of Beautiful coverage moves. In short, its Sheer Force set seems less threatening.
Normally has ridiculous strength with Huge Power and base 105 Attack; now lacks the tools to use it (i.e., none of its useful offensive moves are Cool). In fact, its useful offensive moves are all over the place. Iron Head is Tough (base 125 Def), Flash Cannon is Beautiful (base 55 SpA), Sucker Punch and Knock Off are Clever (base 95 SpD), and Play Rough is Cute (base 50 Spe).

Thoughts?
While I do agree that some other Pokemon in Ubers can be eventually unbanned (Mega Mawile in particular for one), I wanted to take the time for the meta to "develop" before we unbanned more than just Aegislash and the only reason it was initially unbanned was because of the "controversy" of its ban in standard play. I will say that some Uber Pokemon are on my list just like a potential Shuckle suspect, but I mainly want to wait until this gets coded / playable before we do too much banning or unbanning.
 
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#21
Alright, here's some balance with a couple interesting innovations. I tried to adequately cover all the main threats but honestly in a meta like this there are probably 3 sets that sweep every team, but this is a good start. I felt that balance like this was the way to go because even though the team is slow, it has a lot of offensive presence as well as defensive backbones. That's obvious based on the meta which is why this will probably be the most common archetype.

Probopass @ Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Magnet Rise
- Stone Edge
- Fire Punch
- Hidden Power [Ground]

Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pain Split
- Pursuit
- Shadow Sneak
- Sucker Punch

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Roost
- Iron Head
- Guard Swap

Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Cotton Guard
- Earthquake
- Body Slam

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Heal Bell
- Sucker Punch
- Shadow Ball

Cobalion @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Close Combat
- Iron Head
- Taunt



Again, it's pretty clear this meta favors mons with high defense stats, so I expect bulky Steels to be common. This Probopass set is inspired by the Air Balloon Magnet Rise Magnezone set in OU which is used to trap Excadrill.

Dusclops provides a nice special wall and really strong priority, but one of the main reasons it was chosen is to Pursuit trap Ninjask. If they switch, it OHKOs, and if they stay in they can't kill you and you have Shadow Sneak. Also checks Swoobat.

As it tends to be with oms, Skarmory is basically one of the best Pokemon and is the go to essential physical wall. This set is interesting though and is the sole reason why Shuckle isn't that much of a problem. If you see a Shuckle, let them get to +6, let a mon die so Skarm gets in safely, then countersweep them.

Altaria and Skarmory have incredible defensive synergy and this Alt can easily break through slower teams. It's the Serp answer and a bunch of other things.

Umbreon has basically the strongest priority out there and is a super fat cleric, so it's an amazing choice as it provides an emergency answer to Rock spam and really helps out Probopass, Dusclops and Cobalion.

Cobalion provides Rocks and Taunt, both of which are essential, and a Steel and Rock resist with lots of physical bulk and power, which is perfect for the meta. Shuca Berry is definitely preferred because the Rock and Steel types Cobalion is the answer to probably have EQ and are weak to at least one of Cobalion's stabs.




Swoobat @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Simple
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Amnesia
- Stored Power
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball

Speaking of Swoobat, this set is really scary and something that needs to be prepared for. Doesn't require too much explanation but nobody's posted it yet.
 
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Here's an interesting core. I aimed it at being anti-meta. Gligar and Unaware Clefable form a nice core that cover eachother's weaknesses and Unaware Clefable is particularly good because there are going to be mons trying to set up all over the place. Simple Swoobat, for example. Gligar can also pass Agility to Eelektross who at x4 is at 409 Spe which is enough to outspeed the unboosted meta bar megas, unless I'm mistaken.


Gligar @ Eviolite
Ability: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Earthquake
- Roost

Gligar has the job of being bulky and more importantly, passing Agility to Eelektross. While Agility raises Gligar's speed, meaning Cute moves could be used, but Earthquake will still hit harder. And while unboosted, no one wants to be taking Gligar's EQ.



Eelektross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 192 HP / 64 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Coil
- Zap Cannon
- Iron Tail
- Drain Punch

How often do you get to see that sprite in the forums ;)
After much him-hawing, I think this would be the best set to run for Eelektross. An alternative would be running Assault Vest with Hone Claws being passed from Gligar. Anyway, even though Drain Punch now runs off of the Defense stat, it's still boosted by Coil and deals enough damage to keep Eelektross healthy.
+3 Zap Cannon 3HKO'S everything but Specially Defensive Mega Ampharos which is very, very cool (Provided I did the Calc's right).



Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Heal Bell

I don't really have much to say about this. Cosmic power could be used over CM, but Tough moves would give 3 Phys mons already and there isn't much to choose from on the Smart side. Cosmic Power Drain Punch would be nice considering all the rock and steel types that will be running around though.
 
#23
I see Machamp as a potential check to all the threatening Steel and Rock types with absurd defenses. STAB No Guard Focus Blast coming off a base 130 attack. That's going to leave a mark. It also has Vacuum Wave for clean-up and Dynamic Punch for mixed attacking. Not many good coverage options, however.

Wonder Room might also finally have its use here as an anti-meta option. That fully invested 230 Def your Mega Aggron was hitting off of? Now its an uninvested 80. A team designed around it would be quite difficult to prepare for.
 

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