Copyediting (GP 0/2) Old Generation Exclusive Move Legality

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Table Of Contents

Introduction

Generation 1
Body Slam
Counter
Double-Edge
Fissure
Horn Drill
Metronome
Psywave
Reflect
Seismic Toss

Generation 2
Curse
Detect
Mud Slap

Generation 3
Body Slam
Counter
Double-Edge
Endure
Metronome
Mud Slap
Siesmic Toss
Softboiled
Swords Dance
Shedinja

Pokemon XD Moves
Extrasensory
Fake Out
Follow Me
Heal Bell
Helping Hand
Hypnosis
Refresh
Sing

Generation 4
Endure
Heal Block
Natural Gift
String Shot
Sucker Punch
Vacuum Wave
Hypnosis
Shedinja

Generation 6
Dive
Hone Claws
Power-Up Punch

Introduction

Throughout the history of Pokemon, Gamefreak has elected to allow transfers from older generations. With this, some moves have remained teachable in older generations only, leading to a complex system of move legality issues. This can make teambuilding difficult to plan, especially for the more esoteric, time limited formats such as Battle Spot Special, and Battle Spot competitions. This article aims to alleviate this by covering relevant move and ability legality issues.

Generation 1: Red, Green, Blue, Yellow

-These Pokemon can not have any egg moves, as this was before breeding was in the series.

-All Pokemon transferred from generation 1 are forced to have their hidden abilities.

-Since Pokemon transfered from generation 1 have at least 3 flawless IVs, Hidden Power Fighting is impossible on these Pokemon.

-All of these Pokemon must come in regular Pokeballs, since generation 1 did not record the type of Pokeball used to catch Pokemon.

-All of these Pokemon can be traded to generation 2 games before they are transfered to generation 7.

-All of these moves are TM moves. For information on how to find these TMs, check out this article: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/rby_tms

-Unless otherwise noted, these moves are also avaliable in Generation 3 as a tutor move. Getting these moves on generation 1 allows use of them with hidden abilities.

-These Pokemon can only be transfered to generation 7. This does not work with the original cartridge version of the games, it must be a Virtual Console edition on the 3DS.


Body Slam

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Early Bird, Scrappy
Relevant Illegal Moves: Power-Up Punch
Other Notes:

Counter.

Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus, Synchronize
Relevant Illegal Moves: Encore
Other Notes:

Chansey
Illegal Abilities: Natural Cure, Serene Grace
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aromatherepy, Wish
Other Notes: Counter is an egg move starting in generation 6, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Clefable
Illegal Abilities: Cute Charm, Magic Guard
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Tears, Heal Pulse, Softboiled,
Other Notes: In order to learn Moonblast and Stored Power, Cefable must learn them as a Clefairy in generation 7

Gengar
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Clear Smog, Disable, Perish Song, Sludge Wave
Other Notes:

Double-Edge

Aerodactyl
Illegal Abilities: Pressure, Rock Head
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse, Pursuit
Other Notes:

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Early Bird, Scrappy
Relevant Illegal Moves: Power-Up Punch, Wish
Other Notes:

Pinsir
Illegal Abilities: Hyper Cutter, Mold Breaker
Relevant Illegal Moves: Feint, Quick Attack
Other Notes:

Porygon2 and Porygon-Z
Illegal Abilities: Download, Trace
Relevant Illegal Moves
Other Notes: Porygon2 must be evolved from a Porygon in either generation 2 or genration 7. Porygon-Z must be evolved from a Porygon2 in generation 7.

Snorlax
Illegal Abilities: Immunity, Thick Fat
Relevant Illegal Moves: Pursuit, Whirlwind
Other Notes: Double-Edge is learned by level-up only in Generation 1. Double-Edge is also an egg move starting in generation 2, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 moves without breeding.

Fissure

Charizard
Illegal Abilities: Blaze
Relevant Illegal Moves: Ancient Power, Dragon Dance
Other Notes:

Machamp
Illegal Abilities: Guts, No Guard
Relevant Illegal Moves: Bullet Punch, Heavy Slam, Quick Guard
Other Notes:

Mew
Illegal Abilities: None
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Out, Hypnosis
Other Notes: Mew was given out an extremely limited event in the United Kingdom and Japan for generation 1 Virtual Console games. In order to legally obtain this Mew otherwise, the arbitrary code execution glitches must be used, making this Mew illegal to trade on Smogon.

Poliwrath and Politoed
Illegal Abilities: Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Encore
Other Notes: Politoed must evolve from a Poliwhril in generations 2 or 7.

Slowbro and Slowking
Illegal Abilities: Oblivious
Relevant Illegal Moves: Belly Drum
Other Notes: Slowking must evolve from a Slowpoke in either generations 2 or 7.

Snorlax
Illegal Abilities: Immunity, Thick Fat
Relevant Illegal Moves: Pursuit, Whirlwind
Other Notes: Fissure is an egg move starting in Generation 3, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Horn Drill

Dragonite
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed, Heal Bell
Other Notes:

Mew
Illegal Abilities: None
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Out, Hypnosis
Other Notes: Mew was given out an extremely limited event in the United Kingdom and Japan for generation 1 Virtual Console games. In order to legally obtain this Mew otherwise, the arbitrary code execution glitches must be used, making this Mew illegal to trade on Smogon.

Nidoqueen
Illegal Abilities: Poison Point
Relevant Illegal Moves: Sucker Punch
Other Notes:

Metronome

Gengar
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Primeape
Illegal Abilities: Anger Point, Vital Spirit
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Psywave

Chansey and Blissey
Illegal Abilities: Natural Cure, Serene Grace
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aromatherepy, Charm, Wish
Other Notes: Blissey must be evolved from Chansey starting in generation 2.


Reflect

NOTE: While Reflect has consistently been a TM, the generation 1 learnpool for Reflect is dramatically different than other generations.

Venusaur
Illegal Abilities: Overgrow
Relevant Illegal Moves: Leaf Storm
Other Notes:

Chansey and Blissey
Illegal Abilities: Natural Cure, Serene Grace
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aromatherapy, Wish
Other Notes: Chansey must evolve into Blissey in either generation 2 or 7.

Dragonite
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed, Heal Bell
Other Notes:

Eevee Family
Illegal Abilities: Cute Charm, Flash Fire, Leaf Guard, Snow Cloak, Synchronize, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Wish, Yawn
Other Notes: In order to obtain Baton Pass, Eevee must learn it via level-up in Pokemon Crystal, or in generation 7. Eevee must evolve into Espeon or Umbreon in generation 2 or 7, and into Glaceon, Leafeon, or Slyveon in generation 7.

Gyarados
Illegal Abilities: Intimidate
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Porygon2 and Porygon-Z
Illegal Abilities: Adaptability, Download, Trace
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: Porygon-Z must evolve from a Porygon2 in generation 7.

Slowbro and Slowking
Illegal Abilities: Oblivious
Relevant Illegal Moves: Belly Drum
Other Notes: Slowking must evolve from a Slowpoke in generation 7.

Tentacruel
Illegal Abilities: Clear Body, Liquid Ooze
Relevant Illegal Moves: Rapid Spin
Other Notes:

Eelctrode:
Illegal Abilities: Soundproof, Static
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Zapdos
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Air Cutter, Baton Pass, Extrasensory, Metal Sound
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain a shiny Zapdos with Static.

Seismic Toss

Chansey
Illegal Abilities: Natural Cure, Serene Grace
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aromatherepy, Charm, Wish
Other Notes: Seismic Toss is an egg move starting in generation 6, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Clefairy and Clefable:
llegal Abilities: Cute Charm, Magic Guard
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Tears, Heal Pulse, Softboiled,
Other Notes: In order to learn Moonblast and Stored Power, Cefable must learn them as a Clefairy in generation 7.

Kangaskhan: Illegal with Scrappy, Power-up Punch
Illegal Abilities: Early Bird, Scrappy
Relevant Illegal Moves: Power-Up Punch
Other Notes:

Generation 2: Gold, Silver, Crystal

-These Pokemon can be transfered from Generation 1 games, but can not be transfered back if they learn a move that only existed in Generation 2 without glitches, which are not legal in most Pokemon formats.

-All Pokemon transferred from Generation 2 are forced to have their hidden abilities.

-Since Pokemon transfered from Generation 2 have at least 3 flawless IVs, Hidden Power Fighting is impossible on these Pokemon.

-All of these Pokemon must come in regular Pokeballs, since Generation 2 did not record the type of Pokeball used to catch Pokemon.

-Since only male Pokemon can pass down egg moves in this generation, not all egg move combinations may be legal.

-All of these moves are TM moves unless otherwise noted. For more information on how to find them, check out this article: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/gsc_tm_locations

Curse

Arcanine
Illegal Abilities: Flash Fire, Intimidate
Relevant Illegal Moves: Close Combat
Other Notes: Arcanine must learn Flare Blitz and Crunch as a Growlithe in generation 7.

Azumarill
Illegal Abilities: Huge Power, Thick Fat
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aqua Jet
Other Notes:

Charizard
Illegal Abilities: Blaze
Relevant Illegal Moves: Dragon Dance
Other Notes:<br />
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Dragonite:
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Only one of Horn Drill or Extreme Speed is legal. Heal Bell
Other Notes:

Entei
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed, Flare Blitz
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain Inner Focus Entei.

Feraligatr
Illegal Abilities: Torrent
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aqua Jet
Other Notes:<br />
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Gyarados:
Illegal Abilities: Intimidate
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:<br />
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Ho-Oh:
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Celebrate
Other Notes: This is the only way to get a shiny Regenerator Ho-Oh.

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Early Bird, Scrappy
Relevant Illegal Moves: Power-Up Punch
Other Notes:

Machamp
Illegal Abilities: Guts, No Guard
Relevant Illegal Moves: Bullet Punch, Heavy Slam, Quick Guard
Other Notes:

Poliwrath and Politoed
Illegal Abilities: Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Encore
Other Notes:

Porygon2 and Porygon-Z
Illegal Abilities: Adaptability, Download, Trace
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: Porygon-Z must evolve from Porygon2 in generation 7.

Scizor
Illegal Abilities: Swarm, Technichian
Relevant Illegal Moves: Quick Guard
Other Notes:

Suicune
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain Inner Focus Suicune.

Snorlax
Illegal Abilities: Immunity, Thick Fat
Relevant Illegal Moves: Pursuit, Whirlwind
Other Notes: Curse is learned via an egg move starting in generation 3, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Zapdos
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Air Cutter, Baton Pass, Extrasensory, Metal Sound
Other Notes:

Detect

Clefairy, Clefable
llegal Abilities: Cute Charm, Magic Guard
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Tears, Heal Pulse, Softboiled,
Other Notes: In order to learn Moonblast and Stored Power, Cefable must learn them as a Clefairy in generation 7

Crobat
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Brave Bird, Whirlwind
Other Notes:

Dragonite
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Only one of Extreme Speed or Horn Drill is legal. Hell Bell.
Other Notes:

Eevee family: illegal with: Hidden Abilities, Stored Power (note: Eevee can learn this as an egg move, but it's the only way to pair with with Eevee's other old gen moves)
Illegal Abilities: Cute Charm, Flash Fire, Leaf Guard, Snow Cloak, Synchronize, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Wish, Yawn
Other Notes: Curse is an egg move starting in generation 3, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Entei:
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed, Flare Blitz
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain Inner Focus Entei.

Ho-Oh
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Celebrate
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain a shiny Ho-Oh with Regenerator.

Lugia
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain a shiny Lugia with Multiscale.

Mew
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Out, Hypnosis
Other Notes: Mew was given out an extremely limited event in the United Kingdom and Japan for generation 1 Virtual Console games. In order to legally obtain this Mew otherwise, the arbitrary code execution glitches must be used, making this Mew illegal to trade on Smogon.
Mewtwo: illegal with: Pressure, Heal Pulse, Hurricane

Poliwrath and Politoed
Illegal Abilities: Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Encore
Other Notes:

Raichu and Alolan Raichu
Illegal Abilities: Static
Relevant Illegal Moves: Encore, Fake Out
Other Notes: Alolan Raichu must evolve from a Pikachu in generation 7.

Raikou
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aura Sphere, Extreme Speed
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain an Inner Focus Raikou.

Scizor
Illegal Abilities: Swarm, Technichian
Relevant Illegal Moves: Quick Guard
Other Notes:

Suicune
Illegal Abilities: Pressure
Relevant Illegal Moves: Extreme Speed
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain an Inner Focus Suicune.

Endure

Azumarill
Illegal Abilities: Huge Power, Thick Fat
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aqua Jet, Dive
Other Notes:

Politoed
Illegal Abilities: Damp, Water Absorb
Relevant Illegal Moves: Dive, Encore
Other Notes: Endure is an egg move starting in generation 5, but this allows compatability with other generation 1 and 2 moves.

Mud Slap

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Early Bird, Scrappy
Relevant Illegal Moves: Power-Up Punch
Other Notes:


Generation 3: Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green, XD

-All tutor moves are only avaliable in Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green, and Pokemon XD. Unless otherwise noted, they can only be used once. For more information, check out our guide on generation 3 tutor moves: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/third_movetutorlist

-Apricorn Balls are illegal on these Pokemon. Additionally, Cherish Balls, Dream Balls, Dusk Balls, and Beast Balls are also illegal.

-Hidden Abilities are not obtainable on these Pokemon.

-Since only male Pokemon can pass down egg moves in this generation, not all egg move combinations may be legal.

-Most of these moves are TMs in generation 1 or 2. However, obtaining these moves in generation 3 allows the use of regular abilities.

Body Slam (Tutor)

Altaria
Illegal Abilities: Cloud Nine
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes:

Salamence
Illegal Abilities: Moxie
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Counter (Tutor)


Chansey and Blissey
Illegal Abilities: Healer
Relevant Illegal Moves: Reflect
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain Counter and Wish on the same Chansey or Blissey.

Gengar
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Clear Smog
Other Notes:

Double-Edge (Tutor)

Aerodactyl
Illegal Abilities: Unnerve
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Altaria
Illegal Abilities: Cloud Nine
Relevant Illegal Moves: Feather Dance
Other Notes:

Dodrio
Illegal Abilities: Tangled Feet
Relevant Illegal Moves: Brave Bird
Other Notes:

Glalie
Illegal Abilities: Moody
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes: Double-Edge is avaliable as an egg move starting in generation 4, but this allows compatability with other generation 3 moves.

Pinsir: Illegal with Moxie, Quick Attack, Feint, Close Combat
Illegal Abilities: Moxie
Relevant Illegal Moves: Close Combat, Feint, Quick Attack
Other Notes:

Endure (Tutor)

Azumarill: illegal with Sap Sipper, Aqua Jet
Illegal Abilities: Sap Sipper
Relevant Illegal Moves: Aqua Jet
Other Notes: Acesss to Dive requires a transfer to generation 6, since Pal Park will not allow HMs to be transfered.

Magnemite
Illegal Abilities: Analytic
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Onix
Illegal Abilities: Weak Armor
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Metronome

Ambipom
Illegal Abilities: Skill Link
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: Ambipom must evolve from an Aipom starting with generation 4.

Banette
Illegal Abilities: Cursed Body
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Celebi
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: This Celebi is only possible to get via the Japanese Pokemon Colloseum Bonus Disc.

Gengar
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Hariyama
Illegal Abilities: Sheer Force
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Jirachi
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: This Jirachi is easiest to get via the Western Pokemon Colloseum Bonus Disc, and the PAL Pokemon Channel.

Kecleon
Illegal Abilities: Protean
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Machamp
Illegal Abilities: Steadfast
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Medicham
Illegal Abilities: Telepathy
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Mud Slap

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes:

Seismic Toss (Tutor)

Chansey and Blissey
Illegal Abilities: Healer
Relevant Illegal Moves: Reflect
Other Notes: This is the only way to obtain Seismic Toss on Wish Chansey and Blissey.


Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes:


Softboiled (Tutor)

Clefairy and Clefable
Illegal Abilities: Friend Guard, Unaware
Relevant Illegal Moves: Detect, Fake Tears, Heal Pulse
Other Notes:

Togekiss
Illegal Abilities: Super Luck
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: Togekiss must evolve from a Togetic starting in generation 4.

Swords Dance

Qwilfish
Illegal Abilities: Intimidate
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: For some reason, Qwiflish can only learn Swords Dance as a tutor in generation 3.

The Shedinja factor

In generation 3, Shedinja will inherit a learn Ninjask learns so long as Ninjask evolved at the same level it learned the move. This leads to a particularly tricky move legality situation. Note that in generation 3, Shedinja will always be in the same Pokeball that Nincada was caught in, including a Master Ball. The relevant case is: Swords Dance and Baton Pass are not legal with each other.

Pokemon XD Moves


The Gamecube game, Pokemon XD, has several very exclusive moves that are obtained after purifying a Shadow Pokemon. Many of these are fairly useful in doubles, and are the only way to obtain them. For more informatin, consult our guide: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xd_guide

Extrasensory

Articuno
Illegal Abilities: Snow Cloak
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:


Zapdos
Illegal Abilities: Static
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse, Reflect
Other Notes:


Follow Me

Electabuzz and Electivire
Illegal Abilities: Vital Spirit
Relevant Illegal Moves: Detect, Feint, Reflect
Other Notes: Electivire must evolve from an Electabuzz starting in generation 4.


Magmar and Magmortar
Illegal Abilities: Vital Spirit
Relevant Illegal Moves: Detect
Other Notes: Magmortar must evolve from Magmar starting in generation 4.


Mr.Mime
Illegal Abilities: Technichian
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fake Out
Other Notes:

Heal Bell

Articuno
Illegal Abilities: Snow Cloak
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Dragonite
Illegal Abilities: Multiscale
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse, Extreme Speed, Reflect
Other Notes:

Helping Hand

Banette
Illegal Abilities: Cursed Body
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Dusclops and Dusknoir
Illegal Abilities: Frisk
Relevant Illegal Moves: Destiny Bond, Haze, Imprison
Other Notes: Dusknoir must evolve from Dusclops starting in generation 4.

Rhydon and Rhyperior
Illegal Abilities: Reckless
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes: Rhyperior must evolve from Rhydon starting in generation 4.

Togekiss
Illegal Abilities: Super Luck
Relevant Illegal Moves: Stored Power
Other Notes: Togekiss must evolve from a Togetic starting in generation 4.

Sableye
Illegal Abilities: Prankster
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Refresh

Salamence
Illegal Abilities: Moxie
Relevant Illegal Moves: Hydro Pump
Other Notes: While normally an egg move, this Salamence learns Dragon Dance when purified.


Sing

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes:


Mawile
Illegal Abilities: Sheer Force
Relevant Illegal Moves: Fire Fang
Other Notes:


Mew Pokemon XD Tutors

These two moves can only be taught to Mew in Pokemon XD, with Fake Out being exclusive. Mew may only learn one of them.

Fake Out
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse, Detect, Horn Drill, Fissure
Other Notes:


Generation 4: Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver

-Hidden Abilities are not legal on these Pokemon.

-Dream Balls and Beast Balls are not legal on these Pokemon.

-Since only male Pokemon can pass down egg moves in this generation, not all egg move combinations may be legal.

-For more information on generation 4 tutors, check out our guide: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/dpp_movetutorlist

Endure (TM)

Azumarill
Illegal Abilities: Sap Sipper
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Magnemite
Illegal Abilities: Analytic
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Onix
Illegal Abilities: Weak Armor
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Heal Block

Dialga
Illegal Abilities: Telepathy
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: This is learned via level up in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum only.

Palkia
Illegal Abilities: Telepathy
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: This is learned via level up in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum only.

Natural Gift (TM)

Crobat
Illegal Abilities: Inflitrator
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Entei
Illegal Abilities: Inner Focus
Relevant Illegal Moves
Other Notes:

Gyarados
Illegal Abilities: Moxie
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Scizor
Illegal Abilities; Light Metal
Relevant Illegal Moves: Quick Guard
Other Notes:

String Shot (Heart Gold / Soul Sliver only tutor)

Gastrodon
Illegal Abilities: Sand Force
Relevant Illegal Moves: Clear Smog
Other Notes:

Shedinja
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Shedinja can only have one of the following moves: Baton Pass, Swords Dance
Other Notes:

Venusaur
Illegal Abilities: Cholrophyll
Relevant Illegal Moves: Reflect
Other Notes:

Sucker Punch (Tutor)

Golem
Illegal Abilities: Sand Veil
Relevant Illegal Moves: Wide Guard
Other Notes:

Hitmonlee
Illegal Abilities: Unburden
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Hitmontop
Illegal Abilities: Steadfast
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Shedinja
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Shedinja can only have one of the following: Baton Pass, Swords Dance
Other Notes:

Shiftry
Illegal Abilities: Pickpocket
Relevant Illegal Moves: Leaf Blade
Other Notes:

Victreebel and Bellsprout
Illegal Abilities: Gluttony
Relevant Illegal Moves: Clear Smog
Other Notes:

Vacuum Wave (Tutor)

Blaziken
Illegal Abilities: Speed Boost
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Infernape
Illegal Abilities: Iron Fist
Relevant Illegal Moves: Quick Guard
Other Notes:

The Shedinja factor

In generation 4, Shedinja will inherit a learn Ninjask learns so long as Ninjask evolved at the same level it learned the move. This leads to a particularly tricky move legality situation. Note that in generation 4, Shedinja will always be in a regular Pokeball. The relevant case is: Swords Dance and Baton Pass are not legal with each other.

Pokemon Ranch Mew (Hypnosis)


If all 1000 Pokemon slots are filled up on the Wii Ware game, Pokemon Ranch, with Pokemon from Diamond or Pearl, you will be rewarded with a Mew that knows Hypnosis. Note that due to the closure of the Wii Shop Channel, this video game is no longer legally obtainable.

Hypnosis
Relevant Ilegal Moves: Curse, Detect, Horn Drill, Fissure

Generation 6 Exclusive Move: Power-Up Punch

-Generation 6 is the most flexiable of all generations, having access to every Pokeball except for Beast Balls, and almost every Hidden Ability.

-Most Hidden Abilities are accessible in some form.

-For more information on generation 6 TM locations, check out our guides: https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xy_tm https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/oras-tms

Dive (ORAS HM)

Azumarill
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes: Azumarill can not have Endure, Sap Sipper, and Dive on the same set.

Hone Claws

Metagross
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:

Zekrom
Relevant Illegal Moves: Haze
Other Notes:

Power-Up Punch

Kangaskhan
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves: Curse
Other Notes: Kangaskhan can not have Power-Up Punch, Seismic Toss, and Inner Focus on one set.

Metagross
Illegal Abilities:
Relevant Illegal Moves:
Other Notes:


<h1>Elusive Generation Exclusive Moves<h1>



<div class="author">By <a href="/forums/member.php?u=29010">Theorymon</a>



<ul class="toc">

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<a href="elusive_generation_exclusive_moves">Elusive Generation Exclusive Moves</a>

<ul>

<li><a href="#g1">Generation One</a>

<ul>

<li><a href="#horn_drill1">Horn Drill</a></li>

<li><a href="#metronome1">Metronome</a></li>

</ul>

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<li><a href="g2">Generation Two</a>

<ul>

<li><a href="#curse2">Curse</a></li>

<li><a href="#detect2">Detect</a></li>

</ul>

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<h2><a name = "g1">Generation One: Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow.</a></h2>



<p>These Pokemon can not have any egg moves that are not Generation One moves, as this was before breeding was in the series.</p>



<p>All Pokemon transferred from Generation 1 are forced to have their hidden abilities.</p>



<p>Since Pokemon transfered from Generation 1 have at least 3 flawless IVs, Hidden Power Fighting is impossible on these Pokemon.</p>



<p>All of these Pokemon must come in regular Pokeballs, since Generation 1 did not record the type of Pokeball used to catch Pokemon.</p>



<p>All of these Pokemon can be traded to Generation 2 games before they are transfered to Generation 7.</p>



<p>All of these moves are TM moves.</p>



<p>These Pokemon can only be transfered to generation 7. This does not work with the original cartridge version of the games, it must be a Virtual Console edition on the 3DS.</p>



<h3><a name = "horn_drill1">Horn Drill</a></h3>

<table class="sortable">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Pokemon</th>
<th>Illegal Abilities</th>
<th>Relevant Illegal Moves</th>
<th>Other Notes</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>

<tr>
<td>Dragonite</td>
<td>Inner Focus</td>
<td>Extreme Speed</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Mew</td>
<td>None</td>
<td>Fake Out, Hyponsis, Night Shade</td>
<td>This Mew is an obscure event that was only given out in the UK and Japan. Obtaining it will require the use of the 8f glitch, meaning it is now allowed to be traded on Smogon.</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Nidoqueen</td>
<td>Poison Point</td>
<td>Sucker Punch</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

</tbody>
</table>

<h3><a name = "metronome1">Metronome</a></h3>

<table class="sortable">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Pokemon</th>
<th>Illegal Abilities</th>
<th>Relevant Illegal Moves</th>
<th>Other Notes</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>

<tr>
<td>Gengar</td>
<td>None</td>
<td>None</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Primeape</td>
<td>None</td>
<td>None</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

</tbody>
</table>

<h2><a name = "g2">Generation Two: Gold, Silver, Crystal.</a></h2>

<p>These Pokemon can be transfered from Generation 1 games, but can not be transfered back if they learn a move that only existed in Generation 2 without glitches, which are not legal in most Pokemon formats.</p>

<p>All Pokemon transferred from Generation 2 are forced to have their hidden abilities.</p>

<p>Since Pokemon transfered from Generation 2 have at least 3 flawless IVs, Hidden Power Fighting is impossible on these Pokemon.</p>

<p>All of these Pokemon must come in regular Pokeballs, since Generation 2 did not record the type of Pokeball used to catch Pokemon.</p>

<p>All of these moves are TM moves unless otherwise noted.</p>

<p>These Pokemon can only be transfered to generation 7. This does not work with the original cartridge version of the games, it must be a Virtual Console edition on the 3DS.</p>

<h3><a name = "curse1">Curse</a></h3>

<table class="sortable">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Pokemon</th>
<th>Illegal Abilities</th>
<th>Relevant Illegal Moves</th>
<th>Other Notes</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>

<tr>
<td>Ho-Oh</td>
<td>Pressure</td>
<td>Celebrate</td>
<td>This is the only way to obtain a Shiny Ho-Oh with Regenerator</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Kangaskhan</td>
<td>Scrappy, Early Bird</td>
<td>Power-Up Punch</td>
<td>Double-Edge is only legal with this if learned as a Generatin 1 TM.</td>
</tr>

</tbody>
</table>

<h3><a name = "detect2">Detect</a></h3>

<table class="sortable">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Pokemon</th>
<th>Illegal Abilities</th>
<th>Relevant Illegal Moves</th>
<th>Other Notes</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>

<tr>
<td>Clefairy</td>
<td>Magic Guard, Cute Charm</td>
<td>Fake Tears, Heal Pulse, Misty Terrain, Softboiled </td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Raikou</td>
<td>Pressure</td>
<td>Aura Sphere, Extreme Speed</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>

</tbody>
</table>
 
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Just posting this here now: I realize that the Gold and Silver VC games come out fairly soon, so I'm going to add what that'd add in this 2nd post this weekend so I can't get a bit ahead of the game, then add it to the main post if the game does what we expect!
 

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Would Eruption Heatran from Ranger: Guardian Signs be an appropriate addition? Also, the only Event databases I could find both seem to be from DP era, so quite outdated, but I'll drop the links anyway~

http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/event_pokemon
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/event-moves.34197/
Yeah totally! Honestly, our event guides are that out of date, I don't mind just retrofitting that stuff into this article. Once I get through this week of classes, I got a labor day weekend full of nothing, so I could easily just blast through the regular elusive moves, then add the event moves.

I think it fits since the point of this article is if you're playing ingame (especially for one of Gamefreak's weird ass tournaments where past gen stuff may be unexpectedly useful), you can use this guide to see how feasible using certain stuff is. Mentioning that something like say, Heart Stamp Jirachi requires an obscure event is a good way of keeping people in check fast!
 
Sorry if I'm not supposed to post here but I ran across a PU play asking for a male Human Like mon to be taught TM Captivate in Gen 4 to breed onto Jynx for Z-Captivate. Didn't know whether that was worth adding along with Ally Switch from Gen 5 for Ralts.
 

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Would moves that Pokémon learn in one game but no longer in subsequent games apply for this guide?

I'm sure there are more but I'm thinking specifically about the 4th gen. legendaries; they learn different moves from Platinum onwards than from in Diamond and Pearl . For example, Grass Whistle Shaymin, Pursuit Darkrai, and Heal Block Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.
 
If this is still on going, I would love to help out. I was gonna make one of these myself until I saw someone else already working on it here.

Can I also suggest ability move exclusive combos, such as counter magic guard Zam from gen 1 and sap sipper, whirlpool perish Azu from gen 2.

If you like, i could go through a few gens for you, and send you them through pm or something. Hope its not dead D:
 
<http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xd_guide>
There is a nicely detailed on-site in-game article that goes over obtaining some of the competitively relavant exclusive XD:Gale of Darkness moves. It doesn't factor in some moves used for sets in more recent generations, though, so here they are:

Of the Refresh Pokémon, the most competitively relevant ones are Pidgeotto (for Mega Pidgeot) and Salamence (for Mega Salamence). Personally, I can see competitive potential in others using it as a Z-move, but this idea isn't seeing use right now.

I'm not too familiar with viable Helping Hand users in Doubles / Triples formats, but the Helping Hand Pokémon that stands out to me is Rhydon.

__________________________________________________

Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.

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[I'll edit this post if I find anything else and no other posts reply after this one.]
 

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Yeah I'll be updating this some more this weekend. As a note, since we don't have an ETA on the GS tutor moves beyond "this winter", I'm going to use the 2nd post for the updated legalities, so if this goes onsite before the Pokebank update, we'll have an easy fix to it!

Also: Do you guys want me to have Alolan formes separate or together? I'm leaning towards together since Marowak, Exeggutor, and Raichu are going to share tutor moves with their Alolan counterparts anyways.

<http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xd_guide>
There is a nicely detailed on-site in-game article that goes over obtaining some of the competitively relavant exclusive XD:Gale of Darkness moves. It doesn't factor in some moves used for sets in more recent generations, though, so here they are:

Of the Refresh Pokémon, the most competitively relevant ones are Pidgeotto (for Mega Pidgeot) and Salamence (for Mega Salamence). Personally, I can see competitive potential in others using it as a Z-move, but this idea isn't seeing use right now.

I'm not too familiar with viable Helping Hand users in Doubles / Triples formats, but the Helping Hand Pokémon that stands out to me is Rhydon.

__________________________________________________

Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.

_________________________________________________
[I'll edit this post if I find anything else and no other posts reply after this one.]
For XD stuff, I'm probably going to be fairly liberal with what's considered "competitive". For example, pretty much anything with Helping Hand will get mentioned, even though some of it like Banette is pretty questionable. With Refresh, I'm probably only going to mention it on bulky Pokemon, so I probably won't mention it on Pidgeot, but Mega Salamence is a mention for sure.

In general though, XD special moves have commonly come up on certain high ranking teams for obscure competitions (usually doubles stuff like Sinnoh Classic with Dusclops and Follow Me Magmar), so I think it's best to be on the safe side by being liberal here.I might also give a repeat mention for gen 3 tutors here, since I'm thinking I'll use a table of contents for people to get to what they want quickly, so it'd be easy to miss gen 3 tutors if you go straight to XD stuff!

I'll mention the Defog thing for sure too! That's useful info for 6v6 stuff.

ONE FINAL THING: I think I may wait a bit till USUM goes up to have this ready for GP, because there's a good chance that USUM will eliminate the need to mention a lot of ORAS tutors, which would save a lot of space rofl.
 
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Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.
Just thought I'd mention that Seedot is in the Field egg group so Smeargle can be used to breed the move on. It's also available in OR so theoretically you could dex nav for a parent with it as well although I haven't tested this.

Edit: Just a thought but once the list is compiled it might be worth checking to see if any of the prior gen moves are dex navigable in ORAS on mons that can be used as parents. Noticed that Serebii's dex has an missing parent for Belly Drum Swirlix that can be dex nav'd for.
 
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Yeah I'll be updating this some more this weekend. As a note, since we don't have an ETA on the GS tutor moves beyond "this winter", I'm going to use the 2nd post for the updated legalities, so if this goes onsite before the Pokebank update, we'll have an easy fix to it!

Also: Do you guys want me to have Alolan formes separate or together? I'm leaning towards together since Marowak, Exeggutor, and Raichu are going to share tutor moves with their Alolan counterparts anyways.



For XD stuff, I'm probably going to be fairly liberal with what's considered "competitive". For example, pretty much anything with Helping Hand will get mentioned, even though some of it like Banette is pretty questionable. With Refresh, I'm probably only going to mention it on bulky Pokemon, so I probably won't mention it on Pidgeot, but Mega Salamence is a mention for sure.

In general though, XD special moves have commonly come up on certain high ranking teams for obscure competitions (usually doubles stuff like Sinnoh Classic with Dusclops and Follow Me Magmar), so I think it's best to be on the safe side by being liberal here.I might also give a repeat mention for gen 3 tutors here, since I'm thinking I'll use a table of contents for people to get to what they want quickly, so it'd be easy to miss gen 3 tutors if you go straight to XD stuff!
I'm okay with seeing the Alolan formes together if they're just going to learn the same moves.

I also specifically mentioned Refresh Pidgeotto because Mega Pidgeot makes a decent Stallbreaker set using it with Work Up in SM UU (and occasionally in ORAS OU).

Just thought I'd mention that Seedot is in the Field egg group so Smeargle can be used to breed the move on. It's also available in OR so theoretically you could dex nav for a parent with it as well although I haven't tested this.
Thanks for catching this. I tend to forget about Smeargle when looking at Field egg groups, despite knowing how that Pokémon is the ideal chain breeder for that egg group. The ORAS DexNav should also be a potential way to get Defog Seedot, but likewise, I've never seen or tested for it.
 

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Yeah, just gonna shamelessly steal this reply...thanks TDP :)

staff of this forum had fallen asleep and so had this forum but that ends now, Theorymon what's the status on this / are you still up for doing this?
To be honest, I totally forgot about this lol.

This would probably still be really relevant to finish for both smogon and gamefreak metagames, so yeah I’ll get back on it! Thankfully, I already planned on using my Fall break to catch up on C&C stuff, so I can add this to my todo list after my chem exam tomorrow!
 

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To be honest, I totally forgot about this lol.

This would probably still be really relevant to finish for both smogon and gamefreak metagames, so yeah I’ll get back on it! Thankfully, I already planned on using my Fall break to catch up on C&C stuff, so I can add this to my todo list after my chem exam tomorrow!
Sounds good. I'll hold you to it then, thanks!

(ps. good luck on your exam)
 

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So now that my chem exam is over, I’m gonna start back on this as soon as I get computer access tonight!

Just a small question while I’m out: what are we considering dream world moves from gen 5 as? There are two relevant ones (Sludge Wave + Disable Gastly, Horn Drill Nidoqueen), but as far as I know, accessing the dreamworld is impossible now. Are these more event moves or not?
 

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So now that my chem exam is over, I’m gonna start back on this as soon as I get computer access tonight!

Just a small question while I’m out: what are we considering dream world moves from gen 5 as? There are two relevant ones (Sludge Wave + Disable Gastly, Horn Drill Nidoqueen), but as far as I know, accessing the dreamworld is impossible now. Are these more event moves or not?
Similar enough that classifying them as event moves would probably suffice. Either that or just a subsection of Gen 5. There's no official word on the matter afaik, so whatever organization works best for you (can also be addressed later in QC if someone has a strong objection).
 

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I finally applied a massive update to this, covering the gen 2 VC games, and adding some stuff that has been relevant in a few areas in the past (such as Sucker Punch Golem from last gen's Kanto Classic, etc).

Lemme address this before anything else: I'm seriously considering adding in event moves somehow, since our event moves stuff onsite is extremely out of date as far as I know. However, I'm wondering if that's better as a smaller, seperate article, or if it should be put in here. I'm leaning towards the latter as a seperate section since event moves have as many weird ass legality issues as these moves, but I can see the arguements for that being too much for one article to cover too! If event moves are added to this, I can add them pretty quick at least!

For when this goes onsite, I plan on basically formatting this like a table of sorts that covers: illegal abilities (hence why I got a lot of useless but illegal abilities mentioned atm), important illegal moves, and a section that lists other old gen tutor / tm moves the Pokemon must learn before being transfered to gen 7 if they want them.

Yes, I realize the formating here is inconsitent (I'll be solving that!). The main consistency thing I plan on solving is seperating the "Pokemon families" into just the Pokemon themselves. Reason being is because then we can highlight important LC Pokemon like Abra (at least I think thats important lol), but ignore stupid stuff no one cares about like Dragonair learning Horn Drill. Also, I'm considering organizing the tables under each of these moves by relevant metagames, or adding a relevant metagames category in the tables as well (this I prefer if only because it makes the article smaller, but I can see the arguements for the former if someone wants to just build a team on cart for a specfic format)

The only other conterversial formating thing I'm considering is: since a large part of why I did this was because of Battle Spot Special and Gamefreak's other weird tournament stuff, I wonder if I could update it every 3 months (or shorter for the weird tournaments) with relevant past stuff for the given time limited metagame. It'd take almost zero effort since that's never a large number of mons. Could be a good way to consistently tweet about the article too :P

But before this goes to grammar check land. there's something important I'm gonna need to highlight a bunch of QCers for, since this involves almost every metagame covered on Smogon! I'll make a seperate post mass highlighting relevant QC people!. In the mean time though, I'll start messing around with the formatting tomorrow, and see what people want on that end.
 

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Note: Sorry for the mass wall of highlights QC people. I didn't want to risk using just analyses for this, since there may be small things I miss for the metagames I don't play, and I don't want to risk out of date analyses impacting this either! Only gonna do Flying Press QCers for now because I don't think I need THAT many QCers per metagame at least! But feel free to bring in other QCers, not like this is a private forum!

Time to address the last elephant in the room: "Important Pokemon" is inhernetly a pretty subjective thing for this article focusing on past gen exclusive moves and legality (and maybe event moves if we decide on something. There's a lot of weird ass Pokemon that I put here because the thing that sprung me to even start this thing last year was because Gamefreak loves to make special, time limited formats where weird ass Pokemon like Fissure Politoed end up being pretty relevant!

But I don't think I should be the only judge of that. While this article clearly started with a more battle spot focus (since thats what a large portion of people who play ingame are planning on), fact is, we DO have a noticable amount of people who play Smogon formats on the 3DS. I feel like it'd be wrong to ignore that, so I'm gonna call upon QC members from multiple metagames to help me flesh out this list (big exception is VGC unless event moves get added, you guys haven't dealt with past gen stuff since gen 5 lol).

For what qualifies as "important", here's what I'm personally looking for that can qualify as "important"

1: The Pokemon uses this move in AT LEAST Other Options (duh). I'd prefer if we kept this relevant to gen 6 and 7 since those are the only gens playable online without pain in the ass workarounds.

2: It's a move that would seem cool, but is totally ruined by legality issues (see: Pretty much all the gen 1 and 2 moves Gyarados and Arcanine get when it comes to battle spot specials at least lol)

3. For now, include relevant event moves if you can. No idea if they're going in this article yet or not, but better safe than sorry imo!

4. Feel free to be a bit leniant by what you define as "useful". I'm mainly aiming for this to be a resource for people who are teambuilding Pokemon, and generally know what they're doing. So if you're looking at a Pokemon move and going "eh almost no one uses this, but it could be useful", I don't mind throwing it in!

Here we go!

OU: Finchinator GMars Anish Gross Sweep Leo lyd Jordy
Ubers: Fireburn Nayrz Minority Cynara
UU: dodmen Shiba Bouff Ark Eyan Hikari Kreme
RU: phantom Arifeen teachable MrAldo roman
NU: Finchinator Rapture Shadestep Hootie Eternally kay banks
PU: Megazard Akir yogi allstarapology jklioe
Doubles: Level 51 Memoric talkingtree MajorBowman miltankmilk
LC: Quote OP Nineage Coconut Fiend Merritt
Monotype: DEG DoW Eien Vid Moosical
Battle Spot: cant say DragonWhale Hulavuta Theorymon Psynergy Jhon (I know this technichly isn't BSS, but a lot of the Special formats / tournaments have enough similarity that I want you guys checking in!)
Other Metagames: The Immortal Uselesscrab Ransei Quantum Tesseract
CAP: jas61292 HeaLnDeaL cbrevan snake_rattler
Anything Goes: Chloe Megazard
 
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Battle Spot: Theorymon
always gotta tag yourself so you don't forget :P

However, I'm wondering if that's better as a smaller, seperate article, or if it should be put in here.
If the direction you want to go with this is providing a database of competitively relevant hard-to-get moves, here seems like a good idea. Not sure how many there really are.

If I could just interject here for a sec, I applaud you Tmon for making this so thorough! At the same time I'd caution you from making it too thorough. By that I mean right now you list "a lot of useless but illegal abilities...atm". If they're useless, you probably don't need to spend time compiling them. As for the other tiers, maybe look at the usage stats and see for the top mons if there's something that's hard to get or just continue browse through the dex entries (although it may be outdated, people still see it on the dex and will look for it). Though sure, get some input.

Your article, your call. I just don't want to see you sink an insane amount of time into it to try to capture every possible niche. :)
 

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Hey just to be clear, I'm still working on this, just had a rough patch in College and a serious sinus infection this weekend (I wanted to resume this weekend orginally). I'll resume a lot of work on Friday, plan on nailing down the format then. I will also add event Pokemon in their own seperate section!
 
So as you know, I'm on a quest to get a Fake Out Mew. Why can it not learn Softboiled as well as Fake Out (or any of its other XD moves)? I may have misunderstood, but can't it just be traded over to FRLG/E and be tutored after?

So far, I've not seen any of the 'randomised' sets provide more than one of the exclusive moves on XD, so I tend to agree with your sentiment that it can only have one at a time.

I do recall a shiny mew being banded around on Smogon that had Fake Out AND Hypnosis a few years ago though, so would guess it's edited.
 
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I don't see why you can't have Mew with fake out + softboiled. You can just ramdomly make it get the move on XD then later you can make him learn softboiled on move tutor. The problem is that nowadays you can't get mew at third gen without cheating.

I think that you can say that every pokémon from virtual console must have pokéball, because these games don't mark the ball that was used to capture them.
 

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